EPTOn August 23 2007 04:47 Kaolla wrote:
Kingdom??
I wouldnt rate him far above anytime >.<
Kingdom??
I wouldnt rate him far above anytime >.<
just rofl ;;
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Coulthard
Greece3359 Posts
just rofl ;; | ||
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oshibori_probe
United States2934 Posts
Also when anytime's 2nd is mentioned, realise that he had a much harder road to the finals than nada, also game 5 nada played a little cheesy. Beating inter.mind and hery is a pretty big feat, especially for an older progamer such as anytime. | ||
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Kaolla
China2999 Posts
On August 23 2007 04:05 Mortality wrote: As I already said, Protoss players like Garimto, Reach, Ra, Kingdom and now Stork and Bisu stand head and shoulders above him. He's not the consistent killer that you would expect a champion to be. I have not at all forgotten his SO1 win, but a player who has made two starleague finals and is a proleague ace is not someone you'd expect to lose so frequently or prevalently. He is not the image of a champion. luckily garimto is?? im sure in those days he was the killer as well (well im not but i just assume so) if we look at garimto now... the avg bnet player would rape him >.< | ||
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crescendo
United States140 Posts
On August 23 2007 08:40 oshibori_probe wrote: ...Kingdom sucks balls all around... HERESY. =( | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
He played them both, losing to Ra and winning against Rainbow. Once he got to the Ro16, there was a cleared path however. But while that's true, had Casy lost to Rainbow, he would have been out of the whole tournament. Not to mention it was Casy who knocked Anytime out of the previous starleague (Shinhan 2005). Casy was not really *that* lucky. He's not well rounded in his match-ups as a champion should be and I doubt anyone thinks of him as a champion Terran, but during this timeframe Casy's TvZ and TvT were both incredibly, incredibly solid -- enough to make up the deficit for his lack of TvP ability. Comparing Anytime and Casy, they have almost identical overall lifetime win%'s, despite the fact that Casy was a no name pro for years before he ever made it big. So, as you can tell, Casy's TvT and TvZ ability were enough to launch him to stardom. As soon as players studied his style, his lack of macro caught up with him, and now he's almost back to his nobody status. During this timeframe, 2005 Shinhan through the end of his OSL championship in 2006 Shinhan-1, he was an impressive 28-16 (63.6%) against the stiffest competition of that era. The fact that not many toss gamers were among said stiff competition is not a matter of luck, but a matter of lack of development of toss during that timeframe. Getting 4th place in one OSL and then 1st place the next does not make him just plain lucky; it makes him skilled. Am I going to say that he was the only candidate worthy for winning that OSL? No. Luck plays a factor in all games, but you cannot ride luck alone to the top. For similar reasons as to why Casy was not lucky, Anytime wasn't either. The fact is that premeditated strategies or not, Anytime managed to cut through the stiffest competition around during SO1. Neither Casy nor Anytime is a true champion of their race, however. Anytime could be if he was just a bit stronger at decision making and Casy could be if he honed his TvP at least to the point where he could win 50% of them (however, do not laugh and say "of course a champion must win more than 50%" because Boxer is a champion and he won less than 50% of his lifetime TvP's, and even during Boxer's "era" he struggled in that match-up). | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On August 23 2007 08:58 Kaolla wrote: luckily garimto is?? im sure in those days he was the killer as well (well im not but i just assume so) if we look at garimto now... the avg bnet player would rape him >.< I know that. You know what I meant. Garimto's feats "back in the day" stand out on a different level than Anytime stands out on today. | ||
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Burned Toast
Canada2040 Posts
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il0seonpurpose
Korea (South)5638 Posts
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
Anytime is a true champ of the race... He out performs many champions including Reach,Zeus, and Kingdom atm. Casy, whatever, his TvZ and TvT were soo sick. You guys forget so fast. If you look at Casy through Shinhan, he never went down to anyone hard cept Pusan. Every series he dismantled people or fought toe to toe attacking hard, his style. And Kingdom was an MSL regular until the most recent changes in style. I miss him but to say he sucks ball is ignorance. You can't judge one of the oldest careers in BW due to a moment right now. Even now, yeah, even now, his PvP is mean. Half a year down the line, GGPlay and Iris are gonna get grilled like no fuckn tomorrow -_-;; | ||
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tfeign
United States2980 Posts
The fact that in the individual leagues, players do not get to choose their maps increases the luck factor, and decreases the skill factor. A player might get unlucky and be forced to play on an imbalanced map that doesn't tell a whole lot. The winner of a game may not always be the better player. The fact that in Proleague matches, players do get to choose their maps decreases the luck factor, and increases the skill factor because both players are playing on a map they're both confident with. The winner of a game is much more likely a better player. Into this: EXCUSE ME?! ARE YOU SAYING STARLEAGUES ARE WON ON LUCK?!?!?!?!?! If you honestly believe that crap, go commit suicide asap and rid this world of your stupidity. Don't put words in my mouth. And yes, it's far more easier and common for players to perform well in Starleagues due to factors of luck than to perform well in Proleague due to factors of luck. | ||
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