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On November 01 2020 14:00 m4ch1n1cd351r3 wrote: Is anyone aware of the commentary situation given GSL ? eh? they'll cast GSL, take the train to the other studio and cast ASL. | ||
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TaardadAiel
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On November 01 2020 13:08 Katkishka wrote: Please Flash, save us from ZvZ finals! Now flash wins and rolls all Z in the finals, that would be the ultimate troll from the universe. | ||
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winson
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Flash's chance to get Terran: 0 games - 5.9% 1 game - 20.5% 2 games - 30.7% 3 games - 25.6% 4 games - 12.8% 5 games - 3.8% 6 games - 0.6% 7 games - 0.05% Flash would most likely get T 2 or 3 times | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On November 01 2020 16:51 Sr18 wrote: Prediction: Flash rolls Terran three games in a row and proceeds to get rolled 3-0 anyway. its a Bo7 | ||
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WTCO
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On November 01 2020 17:04 outscar wrote: FlaSh to roll too many times T. God won't doom us to watch two times mirror straight up: ZvZ semi and ZvZ finals. I mean I'd rather a ZvZ finals over the other two mirrors at least. | ||
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AttackZerg
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Making a prediction either way feels ... awkward. If I do it backwards and try and predict who will lose, it sounds just as wrong. I hope whoever plays better today wins. I'm a new Soma fan and I want him to do well, but I don't have enough towels to dry my monitor from all the 'zvz finals' crying. Blind-rawR, you and your thread and timer saved me from missing the semi's. Thank you. Queen vs Flash(R) would be the best finals matchup I can envision. Followed by Larva vs Flash and then Soma v Queen. I do not want to see Soma vs Larva. According to a number of you, there is thought to be difficulty is gaining an advantage RvZ. I have always thought ZvRT and ZvRZ to be hard as hell and that is was very easy to end up in a worse spot. I am interested to see how that plays out. Especially, if I have literally been approaching the matchup assbackwards for the last 20 years lol. | ||
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prosatan
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Flash will get zerg  | ||
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prosatan
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 instead of soma !!!! I would have had so many emotions !!!!! | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
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fingers crossed! | ||
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JoinTheRain
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LV_426
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Flash can easily keep up with Soma early/mid game with P, late game he stand no chance ZvZ is big edge for Soma, however Flash with 6th sense can easily pull it off. TvZ is almost a flip, maybe small edge for Flash, but Soma is playing flawlessly recently and his zvt is top-notch Overall 4:2 for Soma imo. | ||
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Puosu
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goody153
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even better than i expected now if only this doesn't end up as a stomp or Flash rolling 7 terrans or something | ||
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Wintex
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let's go flash, let's go soma, give us some dope games (Flash win tho) | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
On November 01 2020 19:02 NoS-Craig wrote: Anyone else getting some weird noises? On youtube no. | ||
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goody153
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If Flash gets too many terrans tho i think he just wins. He will have better time with toss than zerg tho | ||
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AttackZerg
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On November 01 2020 19:09 Poaktree wrote: For those more knowledgeable than me, how much advantage R has against Z compared to the other match ups? There is a large consensus on tl, including prominent and strong players, who believe R has the smallest advantage vs Zerg. I have always felt it incredibly hard to play a 1v1 with a mindset that is both zvz and zvt. | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
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 Please, existence, prove me wrong! | ||
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prosatan
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On November 01 2020 19:11 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: obv huge Flash fan here from the times he was the nemesis to my hero JD. This being said I have a feeling Flash draws the worst luck today and this becomes a 4-0 for Soma Please, existence, prove me wrong!At least in the first game, if my vision is right, he gets zerg and loses ! | ||
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goody153
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On November 01 2020 19:09 Poaktree wrote: For those more knowledgeable than me, how much advantage R has against Z compared to the other match ups? Mirror matchups is usually favor the true race player since practice on mirror matchups happen so much for non-random players. Also zvz requires lots of practice i think cause that is the weirdest mirror in the game | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
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On November 01 2020 19:12 prosatan wrote: At least in the first game, if my vision is right, he gets zerg and loses ! Imagine we get 7 games today though?! Just I-M-A-G-I-N-E 7 games of Random Flash?! I got major nerdchills. | ||
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Poaktree
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On November 01 2020 19:11 AttackZerg wrote: There is a large consensus on tl, including prominent and strong players, who believe R has the smallest advantage vs Zerg. I have always felt it incredibly hard to play a 1v1 with a mindset that is both zvz and zvt. Thanks, yes, it's very interesting, I was leaning towards this as well, however, one can argue that if Flash rolls Z he is in disadvantage, if he rolls T he has an advantage so maybe the entire thing depends on how his PvZ is. So at the end, I have no idea who has the advantage or not. | ||
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virpi
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Head: Soma 4-2 | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
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KobraKay
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Unfortunately zvz finals is the most likely outcome | ||
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prosatan
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On November 01 2020 19:14 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: Imagine we get 7 games today though?! Just I-M-A-G-I-N-E 7 games of Random Flash?! I got major nerdchills. Me too !!!! My only free day in the whole week! I would enjoy this so much !!!!  | ||
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Poaktree
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AttackZerg
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prosatan
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On November 01 2020 19:17 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: LMAO that zvt record of Soma ... 11.1 % .... meh... | ||
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Abjurer
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Poll: Who will win? Flash (11) Soma (11) 22 total votes Your vote: Who will win? | ||
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RKC
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On November 01 2020 19:14 goody153 wrote: Mirror matchups is usually favor the true race player since practice on mirror matchups happen so much for non-random players. Also zvz requires lots of practice i think cause that is the weirdest mirror in the game Then again, the results of every 4Z or 3Z group tends to turn out wildly different than people predict (unless TL posters aren't really good in analysing the players and meta  ) | ||
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prosatan
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On November 01 2020 19:18 AttackZerg wrote: Looks 50k+ already, and I'm surely missing some. AttackZerg did u count Bisu, Calm , Zero , Larva streams ? | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
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so good to see.. makes my heart supper happy  BW FOREVER! | ||
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AttackZerg
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On November 01 2020 19:19 prosatan wrote: AttackZerg did u count Bisu, Calm , Zero , Larva streams ? Si! | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
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On November 01 2020 19:12 prosatan wrote: At least in the first game, if my vision is right, he gets zerg and loses ! not a good sign... | ||
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prosatan
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ZERGGGGGG!!! I AM A PROPHET !!!! | ||
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goody153
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On November 01 2020 19:20 M3t4PhYzX wrote: the viewership is absolutely bonkers.. so good to see.. makes my hear happy BW FOREVER! Where do you find the viewership ? Am dumb and not seeing it on youtube | ||
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prosatan
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On November 01 2020 19:22 Poaktree wrote: Is Artosis high? How can the color change the racial probabilities? Absolutelly no idea.... haha | ||
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AttackZerg
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On November 01 2020 19:22 goody153 wrote: Where do you find the viewership ? Am dumb and not seeing it on youtube I just look at all the different streams here, and youtube and add them up. Youtube - close full screen and it is beneath the video. | ||
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SenorChang
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On November 01 2020 19:19 Abjurer wrote: Poll: Who will win? Flash (11) Soma (11) 22 total votes Your vote: Who will win? the head vs the heart polling | ||
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goody153
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On November 01 2020 19:23 AttackZerg wrote: I just look at all the different streams here, and youtube and add them up. Youtube - close full screen and it is beneath the video. Yeah found it. I am not even gonna bother checking the other streams but i assume viewership is just as good | ||
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prosatan
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But Soma with a faster nat | ||
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konadora
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prosatan
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but his micro...meh | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
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Oh well, without lings being able to affect the matchup, getting gas first is an advantage. | ||
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Blargh
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HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE???? On November 01 2020 19:28 BLinD-RawR wrote: Every single person should watch these Flash matches. | ||
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On November 01 2020 19:22 prosatan wrote: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaandddddddddddddddd ZERGGGGGG!!! I AM A PROPHET !!!! No you are not xDDDDD Flashuuuuuu not 4-0'd! | ||
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goody153
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that smug smile by Soma Flash won by having earlier mutas | ||
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prosatan
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SenorChang
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it's still 100% win rate as R isn't it? just Flash being flash | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
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xDDDD wow.. just wow | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On November 01 2020 19:28 Kasaraki wrote: Holy shit I can't believe what I'm seeing what? nothing particularly surprising. | ||
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goody153
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On November 01 2020 19:28 Blargh wrote: What the fuck?????? HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE???? Just as possible as Flash making it to semi's with zero losses as random and winning pvp against snow twice bw is so lit atm lol | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On November 01 2020 19:29 weiliem wrote: Can some1 explain what happened? How did Flash end up with so many more units? Flash knew he was playing ZvZ, Soma didn't so he had Bo advantage and just let his macro takeover. | ||
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virpi
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On November 01 2020 19:29 SenorChang wrote: is Flash playing Random revealing that all other players / races really don't understand the game / their races?! If Flash wins ASL without losing a map, everyone else should just quit. | ||
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goody153
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On November 01 2020 19:29 SenorChang wrote: is Flash playing Random revealing that all other players / races really don't understand the game / their races?! Not revealing. They have to scout to know what Flash is playing which is the real advantage of random. Their advantage over him is that it is random and he has no way to predict his race and also he is a terran player so he is not as good as zerg and protoss | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
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fLyiNgDroNe
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On November 01 2020 19:30 nojok wrote: what a lame game. bwhaha best comment of the day | ||
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goody153
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On November 01 2020 19:30 nojok wrote: what a lame game. I can feel the salt since this is certainly better than terran flash matchups on ASL | ||
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goody153
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On November 01 2020 19:32 RKC wrote: Soma scouted Flash first and before he fast expo. How is that a BO win? Didn't have enough drones on gas to upgrade lair? Flash rushed to spire i think. He got an earlier spire | ||
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virpi
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On November 01 2020 19:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm surprised Soma didn't just invest a lot in drones, make spores and eventually catch up in mutas once he realized Flash would get mutas first. Maybe he thought he could outmicro Flash during the first few engagements. | ||
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RKC
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On November 01 2020 19:32 goody153 wrote: Flash rushed to spire i think. He got an earlier spire Yeah, but Soma scouted Flash before Flash tech-ed to lair as well. | ||
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On November 01 2020 19:33 RKC wrote: Yeah, but Soma scouted Flash before Flash tech-ed to lair as well. Yeah there was that too. Maybe Soma just felt too confident seeing what was gonna happen and thought he could just outmacro/micro flash | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On November 01 2020 19:33 Sif_ wrote: Is he gonna 4-0 stomp? oh my god where did you get that idea from? | ||
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goody153
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On November 01 2020 19:33 Sif_ wrote: Is he gonna 4-0 stomp? oh my god Relax the night is young. If Flash gets another Z next matchup i feel like he'll just lose. | ||
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HaFnium
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On November 01 2020 19:32 RKC wrote: Soma scouted Flash first and before he fast expo. How is that a BO win? Didn't have enough drones on gas to upgrade lair? Decision was made before scouting Flash really | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
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On November 01 2020 19:34 goody153 wrote: Yeah there was that too. Maybe Soma just felt too confident seeing what was gonna happen and thought he could just outmacro/micro flash yeah Soma knew the lair/gas timing and saw the drone count early. Its on him on miscalculating when muta arrive and being too greedy... | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On November 01 2020 19:33 RKC wrote: Yeah, but Soma scouted Flash before Flash tech-ed to lair as well. he also started his hatch by the time he found flash | ||
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virpi
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On November 01 2020 19:35 goody153 wrote: Relax the night is young. If Flash gets another Z next matchup i feel like he'll just lose. Plasma made ZvZ actually a bit easier because lings aren't a factor there. Soma is good at ZvP, he should have a fair chance there. If Flash rolls T, Soma is fucked. | ||
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b0lt
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On November 01 2020 19:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm surprised Soma didn't just invest a lot in drones, make spores and eventually catch up in mutas once he realized Flash would get mutas first. He's insanely behind if he does that off of 12 pool gas | ||
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nojok
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On November 01 2020 19:35 HaFnium wrote: Decision was made before scouting Flash really This. | ||
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RKC
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4 games later... OMG! Flash's lings outmaneuvers Soma's lings! | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
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Would be quite sick | ||
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goody153
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On November 01 2020 19:36 virpi wrote: Plasma made ZvZ actually a bit easier because lings aren't a factor there. Soma is good at ZvP, he should have a fair chance there. If Flash rolls T, Soma is fucked. Pretty much. So long as Flash doesn't roll the next potential 6 matches as terran he should not win the series | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
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On November 01 2020 19:37 b0lt wrote: He's insanely behind if he does that off of 12 pool gas Ah I missed the start and figured he went 12hatch from where I caught up. Makes sense in that case. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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if soma loses this one, no excuses from me. | ||
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prosatan
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goody153
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ok this time Soma is gonna win for sure | ||
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On November 01 2020 19:40 Poaktree wrote: If Flash wins this, I'm going to effing lose it.... Pretty sure Soma just rolls over if he losses in zvz | ||
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prosatan
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a bit in favour of Flash maybe | ||
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prosatan
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what opening is this ?!?!?! | ||
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konadora
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he took a gamble and he lost | ||
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prosatan
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nextttttt | ||
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virpi
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On November 01 2020 19:43 konadora wrote: ok TO BE FAIR if soma went 12 hatch, flash would have been WAAAAY ahead he took a gamble and he lost This. | ||
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Arvendilin
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On November 01 2020 19:43 konadora wrote: ok TO BE FAIR if soma went 12 hatch, flash would have been WAAAAY ahead he took a gamble and he lost Which makes sense given that its ZvZ | ||
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Gorsameth
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Same as when he went CC first as terran and lost. Play something a little less greedy | ||
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Sif_
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 But not knowing whats going on is kinda exciting, i never expect anything | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
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but it's still exciting because of random :D | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
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On November 01 2020 19:44 Sif_ wrote: As a complete BW newb, what the fuck is going on... 2 weirdass games But not knowing whats going on is kinda exciting, i never expect anything it's just the random factor | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On November 01 2020 19:43 konadora wrote: ok TO BE FAIR if soma went 12 hatch, flash would have been WAAAAY ahead he took a gamble and he lost for sure, but also like I said, Flash wants to win via mindgames, soma has to know this so he wouldn't have tried it. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On November 01 2020 19:44 M3t4PhYzX wrote: absolute dog shit awful games so far.. but it's still exciting because of random :D whats actually going on in the games aren't anything exciting, what we can speculate with the player's thoughts is fantastic. | ||
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virpi
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On November 01 2020 19:44 PhoenixVoid wrote: And thus breaks Flash's undefeated Zerg streak. Slump confirmed. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
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On November 01 2020 19:45 BLinD-RawR wrote: whats actually going on in the games aren't anything exciting, what we can speculate with the player's thoughts is fantastic. Yeah, agreed. This is exactly what I meant. | ||
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konadora
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gg | ||
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konadora
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On November 01 2020 19:43 Gorsameth wrote: Taking such a risk against an opponent that has to scout early because your random seems to risky. Same as when he went CC first as terran and lost. Play something a little less greedy its flash, he doesn't know how to be less greedy the critical games/series that he lost throughout his entire craeer, its all because he was greed, this isnt happening haha | ||
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LpTraxamillion
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Hate seeing Flash waste a T roll here | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
On November 01 2020 19:49 krlz88 wrote: Ah been waiting Flash to get T so Soma can roll him Lol. Typical for a new account. | ||
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I have never seen double starport flash wraith. Is he good at it ? | ||
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or not, rip | ||
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On November 01 2020 19:54 goody153 wrote: Is tvz mech a thing ? I have never seen double starport flash wraith. Is he good at it ? yes to both | ||
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edit: and he does | ||
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On November 01 2020 19:56 goody153 wrote: who's ahead ? soma is squeezing out his if soma doesn't do something (either attack and piercing his defense, or macroing up himself and changing tech) in the next 3-5 mins, flash wins | ||
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On November 01 2020 19:58 konadora wrote: soma is squeezing out his academy and didn't macro up his 9 o clock base, whereas flash hasnt lost army or SCVs and is growing his bio army + upgrades are coming if soma doesn't do something (either attack and piercing his defense, or macroing up himself and changing tech) in the next 3-5 mins, flash wins Thanks ! | ||
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On November 01 2020 20:00 Sif_ wrote: is this big of a supply difference normal? lol Yes, if z is equal in supply with p or t , then z has a big lead ! | ||
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On November 01 2020 20:00 Sif_ wrote: is this big of a supply difference normal? lol yes | ||
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On November 01 2020 20:00 konadora wrote: as long as soma doesnt lose to dropships and starts his 1 oclock expand, i think he's good rip | ||
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Please more zergs and protoss. This looks too strong for Flash | ||
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So please no more terran rolls | ||
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i mean.. soma should have seen it coming no one drops 1 dropship so its at least 2 dropships, especially because flash went 2 port wraith plus its very likely to defense matrix both of them and drop since irradiate wasn't used flash isn't dumb, if he sees all those sunkens in the natural, he'll find another part of defense to pierce soma played that poorly against the dropships, should have seen it coming from a mile away 2 port wraith transition had been the same for years... 2 port cloaked wraiths into M&M + vessels into double defense matrix dropships, and zergs ALWAYS lose to it ._. | ||
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Shame on Tastosis for doubting our boi Flash | ||
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Actually I've been on TL since like 09 lol that being said... Soma just got absolutely destroyed Flash truly is the goat man. | ||
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On November 01 2020 20:04 ShAd_1337 wrote: i think Terran might be Flashs best roll Zero doubt. The whole tournament so far has been about "will Flash roll terran" | ||
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- proceeds to completely dismantle Soma in 60 seconds he just knows how to win from any situation | ||
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First time I've seen a d-matrix timing drop. Has Flash or any other Terran pulled off this maneuver before? | ||
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On November 01 2020 20:07 Sorusaba wrote: "This is getting bad for Flash..." - proceeds to completely dismantle Soma in 60 seconds he just knows how to win from any situation He looked dead the moment flash d-matrix'd those quad dropships and dropped on two locations with little defense Flash aint stupid to bash his wall against 128398123 sunkens and darkswarm | ||
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On November 01 2020 20:03 goody153 wrote: I am more convinced Soma has zero chance against Flash terran. So please no more terran rolls Na Soma can still take games off Flash Terran. Probably has like 40% equity in those games; maybe less if he is nervous offline but he seemed alright last game. Flash made a sick play threatening the main to draw off his units then pivot to the 9 o'clock. Flash also fortunate that 2nd dropship at the 9 survived with 1 hp. If he only gets half the marines out that may not have worked nearly as well | ||
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On November 01 2020 20:09 razorsuKe wrote: This is my face during that entire end sequence: BW History !! + Show Spoiler + Best vs JulyZerg | ||
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On November 01 2020 20:07 Sorusaba wrote: "This is getting bad for Flash..." - proceeds to completely dismantle Soma in 60 seconds he just knows how to win from any situation It never looked bad for Flash. | ||
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On November 01 2020 20:09 LpTraxamillion wrote: Na Soma can still take games off Flash Terran. Probably has like 40% equity in those games; maybe less if he is nervous offline but he seemed alright last game. Flash made a sick play threatening the main to draw off his units then pivot to the 9 o'clock. Flash also fortunate that 2nd dropship at the 9 survived with 1 hp. If he only gets half the marines out that may not have worked nearly as well "Fortunate" and "luck" can really be defined on all players tho and soma has little defensive units for that many marines it doesn't matter as that expansion drop will still do damage and his main drop still killed alot even with defense | ||
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On November 01 2020 20:08 RKC wrote: Soma had a great fast hive build, right? Just bungled on his defence. First time I've seen a d-matrix timing drop. Has Flash or any other Terran pulled off this maneuver before? https://tl.net/tlpd/korean/games/35158_Flash_vs_Jaedong/vod | ||
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On November 01 2020 20:05 krlz88 wrote: Actually I've been on TL since like 09 lol that being said... Soma just got absolutely destroyed Flash truly is the goat man. i'm not shooting you down haha i mean the "doubting flash" part was a throwback | ||
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even before clicking, im gonna guess its the game on Ultimatum edit: yep | ||
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On November 01 2020 20:11 konadora wrote: i'm not shooting you down haha i mean the "doubting flash" part was a throwback After that I am never doubting him again | ||
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Now you've said it. Watch him lose 3 matches straight from here | ||
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On November 01 2020 20:15 konadora wrote: so soma's vT winrate in ASL is in the 10% range... Yeah they showed it earlier and it looked really bad. Flash is also 5-0 against Soma as terran overall. Also i think Soma is losing to non-flash terrans | ||
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flash - only 59 | ||
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On November 01 2020 20:20 Sorusaba wrote: This guy is good with mutas Which is funny cause he lost in zvz with mutas which he should've won but is winning with mutas against Flash with terran | ||
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yep dropships incoming, please dont lose to them again lol | ||
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u saw those dropships!! | ||
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On November 01 2020 20:23 konadora wrote: think i heard dropships yep dropships incoming, please dont lose to them again lol he didn't hear you | ||
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soma pulled back all his forward units and now flash is free to take control of the map urgh could have just defended that dropship... | ||
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usually he starts expanding now | ||
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Flash with constant pressure | ||
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GGGGGGG | ||
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awesome game | ||
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2-2 !!!! nice work, soma ! | ||
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On November 01 2020 20:27 nojok wrote: Terran is flash's lowest winrate race anyway. LMAO (ok that is pretty funny) | ||
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On November 01 2020 20:27 lolfail9001 wrote: This was... sloppy imho. uhuh | ||
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Soma found a great answer for it: 5 gas income :D | ||
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On November 01 2020 20:27 lolfail9001 wrote: This was... sloppy imho. Very sloppy but mostly for Flash | ||
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1-1 t | ||
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On November 01 2020 20:28 LpTraxamillion wrote: If flash had gone top left after the 1st drop would he have been ahead? first drop? maybe | ||
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On November 01 2020 20:28 Sif_ wrote: 1-1 z 1-1 t So we need flash to roll 2 more protoss and Soma going 1-1 against it then have an epic decider tho honestly i was hoping a full z/p the entire series for flash just to milk the random run as much as possible | ||
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On November 01 2020 20:28 LpTraxamillion wrote: If flash had gone top left after the 1st drop would he have been ahead? definitely that hidden base allowed soma to stay relevant despite losing some economy and tech at his main, and was able to continue making ultras to defend while he didn't have defiler mound | ||
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On November 01 2020 20:29 konadora wrote: definitely that hidden base allowed soma to stay relevant despite losing some economy and tech at his main, and was able to continue making ultras to defend while he didn't have defiler mound I don't think Flash was aware of the hidden base actually | ||
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Yea im talking the 1st successful drop. Had he expanded and sent those next 2 dropships top left instead of suiciding everything | ||
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On November 01 2020 20:28 LpTraxamillion wrote: If flash had gone top left after the 1st drop would he have been ahead? He would have gone for it asap if he knew it was there. It was a good hidden base | ||
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On November 01 2020 20:30 goody153 wrote: I don't think Flash was aware of the hidden base actually He definitely wasn't | ||
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On November 01 2020 20:30 goody153 wrote: I don't think Flash was aware of the hidden base actually He saw the nydus, I think he was aware. | ||
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all 3 races being played! | ||
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How good is this map for protoss ? | ||
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On November 01 2020 20:33 goody153 wrote: Protoss ! How good is this map for protoss ? quite good, quite balanced afaik | ||
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On November 01 2020 20:33 goody153 wrote: Protoss ! How good is this map for protoss ? quite zerg favored afaik its around 6:4 | ||
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Aight who do i believe | ||
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FLASH DIDNT CANCEL THE NEXUS FLASH DIDNT CANCEL THE NEXUS | ||
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lost nexus no tech no cannon no gateway | ||
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=)) | ||
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On November 01 2020 20:38 goody153 wrote: This is impossible to win this, right? right. | ||
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On November 01 2020 20:39 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Would be pretty sad if Flash loses because he can't resist going "cheesy" econ when random. What was cheesy about this build on this map !?! | ||
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On November 01 2020 20:39 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Would be pretty sad if Flash loses because he can't resist going "cheesy" econ when random. this isnt a cheesy build though, its a pretty normal build on this map | ||
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On November 01 2020 20:39 b0lt wrote: I can't believe he didn't just immediately cancel the nexus, having the lings attack it wasn't gaining him anything that overconfidence to stall with nexus cancel probably killed any of his chances | ||
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you have hydras hello ? | ||
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flash was SUPER behind, instead of building extra hatcheries at the 3rd base (as per normal gameplay), soma could have EASILY gotten ahead with building 1 at 12 oclock instead and securing 4 bases urgh | ||
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On November 01 2020 20:46 b0lt wrote: .... was that an intentional high templar flank? yeah that was pretty funny | ||
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On November 01 2020 20:46 razorsuKe wrote: wait, you can attack the overmind?!?! WTF yep and zergs can build buildings under it (stackabe, with creep). so you can build a creep colony there without need for building a hatchery first, or build nydus canal to quick expand | ||
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On November 01 2020 20:48 goody153 wrote: i have to do something but i hope this series doesn't get dmca'd by youtube by one of the music of afreecatv that gets copyrighted I think this season they have paid for licensing. | ||
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On November 01 2020 20:48 BLinD-RawR wrote: Flash was never going to win that game, don't kid yourself, he was running out of gas. It looked funny tho with how many overlords soma actually lose by carelessness. Pretty sure that was not supposed to happen | ||
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On November 01 2020 20:49 BLinD-RawR wrote: I think this season they have paid for licensing. Nice ! i'm just go back later to finish the series | ||
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On November 01 2020 20:48 goody153 wrote: i have to do something but i hope this series doesn't get dmca'd by youtube by one of the music of afreecatv that gets copyrighted You can always watch it on afreeca | ||
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On November 01 2020 20:49 goody153 wrote: It looked funny tho with how many overlords soma actually lose by carelessness. Pretty sure that was not supposed to happen oh no, that was careless but flash would still have struggled breaking that simcity and soma had enough hydras at that point. | ||
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Perfect mancave Sunday. | ||
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On November 01 2020 20:52 virpi wrote: First GSL, now this, later F1. Perfect mancave Sunday. cool dota 2 finals later today too | ||
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On November 01 2020 20:49 goody153 wrote: It looked funny tho with how many overlords soma actually lose by carelessness. Pretty sure that was not supposed to happen It didnt really matter since after 2 Stargate and 8+ sairs he didn't have the econ to get up to 7/8 gate on 2 base and power up a proper ground push. He has zero goons. Flash probably needed to slip in some DTs and do some econ damage to win that but with the map and the way the bases are positioned you don't have many places to slip in a dt without a shuttle Dam. Was hoping for T here obv. Flash might have a better chance ZvZ than PvZ though honestly just given the nature of the matchup | ||
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His fast hive ZvT looked pretty strong. So even Flash's Terran isn't assured a win. Oh well. ZvZ finals here we go... | ||
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zvz finals | ||
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"thanks for season 10" | ||
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GGs, fun series. Still an incredible accomplishment to reach the semis without losing a map. | ||
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On November 01 2020 21:02 virpi wrote: Flash should not have lost that TvZ. GGs, fun series. Still an incredible accomplishment to reach the semis without losing a map. he really should have expanded instead of all-ining with 2 base | ||
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On November 01 2020 21:01 konadora wrote: afreeca chat "thanks for season 10" disrespect. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49884 Posts
On November 01 2020 21:03 chongu wrote: Should went offensive sunk in that last game. we'll see them tomorrow | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49884 Posts
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royalroadweed
United States8301 Posts
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NoS-Craig
Australia3093 Posts
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ggsimida
1141 Posts
On November 01 2020 21:04 BLinD-RawR wrote: no love for soma here. zvz hating is more important! | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4121 Posts
But all the best to Soma even though it's a ZvZ, his work ethic seems absolutely top notch and I'll be rooting for him in the finals! | ||
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plast1c
Germany99 Posts
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RKC
2848 Posts
On November 01 2020 21:02 konadora wrote: he really should have expanded instead of all-ining with 2 base Considering Flash has to prepare so many matchups, it's no surprise that his Terran play suffers. He may still have a 55% edge against Soma's Zerg. The odds were against him progressing. | ||
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Zaibakk
101 Posts
As I expected Flash Z/P was not enough to beat Soma. Anyway, we will have more Flash on the small final vs Larva/Queen (Larva most probably). | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49884 Posts
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Garnet
Vietnam9013 Posts
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Blargh
United States2101 Posts
You will be missed T_T | ||
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polgas
Canada1722 Posts
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
It has been so exciting watching his rise. You don't get more street cred then defeating Flash in a bo7. Soma vs Queen plz universe! | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49884 Posts
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weiliem
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6505 Posts
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TaardadAiel
Bulgaria750 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49884 Posts
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NoS-Craig
Australia3093 Posts
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Kaal
Djibouti2512 Posts
Hoping for finals against Larva, I think it'll be an exciting matchup. | ||
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Abjurer
Sweden207 Posts
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32739 Posts
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On November 01 2020 21:06 Zaibakk wrote: This was a very fun series. Also the rolls was fair (2 T over 6 games is exactly the expected value). As I expected Flash Z/P was not enough to beat Soma. Anyway, we will have more Flash on the small final vs Larva/Queen (Larva most probably). Larva may not have top notch control but he's a great strategist, would love to see him prepare against random, he could definitely bring some weird stuff. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49884 Posts
On November 01 2020 21:08 NoS-Craig wrote: Still got Flash 3rd place match though. will be fun | ||
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polgas
Canada1722 Posts
On November 01 2020 21:08 NoS-Craig wrote: Still got Flash 3rd place match though. True! | ||
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yoshi245
United States2969 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49884 Posts
On November 01 2020 21:07 weiliem wrote: Can we have Jaedong playing random too once he's back from the military? jaedong has to play zerg well first, its been a while since he did that. | ||
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TaardadAiel
Bulgaria750 Posts
On November 01 2020 21:14 BLinD-RawR wrote: jaedong has to play zerg well first, its been a while since he did that. Fake JD is actual JD confirmed. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
On November 01 2020 21:14 BLinD-RawR wrote: jaedong has to play zerg well first, its been a while since he did that. this made me chuckle a lot lmao | ||
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JustPassingBy
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blackmanpl
63 Posts
It was quite disappointing to see him lose a tvz he should win, and try to allin zvz twice. But on the other side you have to give Soma that he was quite lucky with his openings. 12h vs Flash T on Eclipse, vs exp 9pool speed vs P on that new map, vs 1 gate zealots 9pool no speed vs 3h before pool 1st scout against masslings - didnt really see that game fully, but I think it was like that. Arguably against random and what not could have came out of that random, those are 3 perfect blind build choices, so you can say quite lucky, or quite well played and mindgamed. Hype was bigger than the games, but still enjoyable - as per unpredictable what will happen. | ||
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alypse
Vietnam2762 Posts
On November 01 2020 21:04 BLinD-RawR wrote: no love for soma here Plenty of love for Soma actually. It's just overshadowed by the upcoming ZvZ final, which sucks ball of course. | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
Another FvZ match to digest sounds great. | ||
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arbiter_md
Moldova1219 Posts
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TiQ.SinGi
Norway385 Posts
Waiting for that flash vs xx 3rd/4th >.< | ||
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VioleTAK
4280 Posts
Even though we only have ZvZ left... You have to be happy for the guy, and realize how important this moment is for him. Anyway, with ZvZ the only way to go is up because most of us expect very little of it, that even one long match could be very exciting. Crossing my fingers that we'll get to see that rare mix of red tatoos, green goo and purple haze. | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
great.. ZvZ is literally the worst match up (for me at least and for 99% of bw gamers I know) I couldnt have cared less who wins despite for the fact that with soma winning we have a certain ZvZ final bummer the PvZ on Ringingbloom definitely showed that flash PvZ is great btw.. he ALMOST made it kinda close despite LOSING his nexus.. GGs overall and better series than the ZvPs before.. I will.. probably not watch the final live.. and maybe not watch it at all... as ZvZ is super super boring overall (unless it is played on super crazy maps..and 1/500 zvzs is special on normal maps) | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium4708 Posts
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Highgamer
1398 Posts
I really enjoyed how much suspense there was at every game's start until everyone knew what race he rolled, and until Soma figured it out. That brought s.th. fresh to broadcasted top-lvl BW. I think we saw that Flash does relatively (RELATIVELY) poor in certain finicky-tricky situations that the different matchups provide, like that poor zealot handling on the ramp in the PvZ or his scourge-micro in game 1, his ling micro in the last game. Given those at this point unsurmountable disadvantages, due to a sheer lack of experience/familiarity, it's amazing what he does just with the knowledge he accquired in all matchups and with his tactical decision making. (edit: and his macro across all matchups... we almost take that as a given...) Obviously we would see some gambles or risky builds like in his 2nd and 3rd ZvZ to try and exploit the random-advantage. Me for my part, I was entertained throughout. | ||
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Amanebak
Czech Republic528 Posts
Soma withstood great pressure. Losing 1:2 and playing against Flash Terran, ended winning that game. I lost my nerves after Flash dropped Soma's main. As someone mentioned, this could be better for Flash - not winning another title right away. It may motivate him to play more. Good luck to Soma in the finals. Queen already has a title, I wish Larva could do well, too. | ||
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chuDr3t4
Russian Federation484 Posts
On November 01 2020 21:03 chongu wrote: Should went offensive sunk in that last game. underrated comment | ||
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Nemesis
Canada2568 Posts
A lot of Flash's build is very calculated risk, and in this case, it just didn't work out especially for game 2 and game 6. I would say game 6 is really the only lucky bo win that soma had, the others he just won the mind game. Soma showed some really strong games. | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
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Light-
United States25 Posts
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whaski
Finland576 Posts
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Lazyer
United States339 Posts
g1 - very funny to see flash's muta micro g2 - my brain not big enough to understand 3 hatch before pool in ZvZ g3 - this is the destruction i'm used to seeing g4 - a little sloppy w/ the scourge hits, but soma really penetrated flash's mineral line so effectively g5 - idk soma is just in insane form g6 - at least we got to see a headshake from soma, and also hands off keyboard at the end. | ||
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JoinTheRain
Bulgaria408 Posts
ZvZ finals or not, I am thrilled to watch them all. BW offers the greatest entertainment for me, nothing compares to it. | ||
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LpTraxamillion
251 Posts
On November 02 2020 04:31 whaski wrote: Suprising how even progamers were so sure Flash winning even when Soma has been so on point and practicing without streaming. I enjoyed games (except game 2). Soma was on point! The other top players actually thought Flash was favored here? To be fair if he wins the second TvZ he is heavily favored to advance | ||
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ne4aJIb
Russian Federation3209 Posts
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
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puppykiller
United States3126 Posts
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Rainalcar
Croatia358 Posts
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
GL to Soma in the finals! | ||
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konadora
Singapore66145 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19205 Posts
Flash, on the other hand, had a handful of mistakes in that series. It look like his hands couldn’t do everything his brain wanted him to do. The missed nexus cancel in game 5 was probably the biggest noob mistake I’ve seen Flash Make since he returned to SC1. I hope next season he doesn’t have the same physical or mental issues that stalled him in this series. | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5281 Posts
When he engaged Soma's lings, Flash had 13 drones, his pool was ~12 seconds from finishing, and he had 156 minerals in the bank. Why not just run around the base with the drones, and wait for 6 lings to hatch? That seems like definitely a better choice than to just fight straight up and suffer heavy losses. Maybe he overestimated the drones strenght, being a T player and being accustomed to the SCVs. | ||
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reincremate
China2213 Posts
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chuDr3t4
Russian Federation484 Posts
On November 02 2020 05:50 LpTraxamillion wrote: The other top players actually thought Flash was favored here? To be fair if he wins the second TvZ he is heavily favored to advance ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/aI7daWc.png) | ||
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sntct
100 Posts
Stupid picks, stupid players. Ask any one of them if Flash is favored against Soma in ZvZ and PvZ. | ||
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whaski
Finland576 Posts
On November 02 2020 13:57 sntct wrote: Stupid picks, stupid players. Ask any one of them if Flash is favored against Soma in ZvZ and PvZ. What a great contributing post! When you are going to win ASL? There must be a reason why they think so. Maybe Flash had something more planned. I am pretty sure he practiced with most of these guys. | ||
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sntct
100 Posts
On November 02 2020 14:08 whaski wrote: What a great contributing post! When you are going to win ASL? There must be a reason why they think so. Maybe Flash had something more planned. I am pretty sure he practiced with most of these guys. Yes the reason is that korean pros always favor other pros over amateurs even when it doesn't make sense = stupid. | ||
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Optimate
245 Posts
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
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chuDr3t4
Russian Federation484 Posts
On November 02 2020 14:12 sntct wrote: Yes the reason is that korean pros always favor other pros over amateurs even when it doesn't make sense = stupid. it's not the fact that one player played under kespa contract while other didnt it's the fact that one players has countless COUNTLESS televised games(i'd say flash has ~1k of them at this point?) while other is a newcomer. Nerves, comfort, tilt are a real factor in games of this level, and you can't just discount EXPERIENCE, whatever you may feel about their skill level. | ||
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JoinTheRain
Bulgaria408 Posts
On November 02 2020 15:12 Optimate wrote: Watching Flash vs Best will be awesome. Who cares about stinking ZvZ finals. What do you mean Flash vs Best? They will not play for 3rd/4th place. 3rd/4th place match will be Flash vs loser of Larva vs Queen. Best did not make it to Ro4 so he can not be in the 3rd/4th place match. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
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PVJ
Hungary5214 Posts
On November 02 2020 15:35 Caihead wrote: Flash please why. You were so close to greatness. Not sure if the 2nd sentence is ironic or not but the thought that Flash is not great already as-is but an upcomer who wanted to attain greatness and got close but failed with this Ro4 loss and now he's just has-been average joe again, this thought process made me laugh hard. | ||
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Nemesis
Canada2568 Posts
On November 02 2020 04:32 Plume wrote: ahhh that last game was so underwhelming g1 - very funny to see flash's muta micro g2 - my brain not big enough to understand 3 hatch before pool in ZvZ g3 - this is the destruction i'm used to seeing g4 - a little sloppy w/ the scourge hits, but soma really penetrated flash's mineral line so effectively g5 - idk soma is just in insane form g6 - at least we got to see a headshake from soma, and also hands off keyboard at the end. g2 - Due to map distance, 9 pool is rare on this map and 12 hatch is the standard build here. 3 hatch before pool was a calculated gamble guessing that Soma was going 12 hatch, but Soma also made a calculated gamble and guessed Flash was going for econ cheese due to the map and went 9 pool. The build was a huge risk for Soma in that he would most likely be behind had Flash gone for any other build. | ||
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kaspa84
Brazil169 Posts
On November 02 2020 14:12 sntct wrote: Yes the reason is that korean pros always favor other pros over amateurs even when it doesn't make sense = stupid. So Free and Hero are not korean pros? So easy to call the great players of this game stupid when you cannot mantain simple coherence for more than two posts, I guess. | ||
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sntct
100 Posts
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Highways
Australia6100 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On November 06 2020 11:23 Highways wrote: Flash would smash Soma in bo7 TvZ I'm not sure about smash because tbf, Soma has improved greatly from the last ASL where he was smashed by Light. Granted, there is a chance that Flash would try to play mind games like he tried against ZerO in the last ASL and lose as a result or he'll just straight up smash Soma haha. | ||
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Piste
6167 Posts
Last protoss hwaiting! | ||
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