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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4980 Posts
October 31 2019 13:18 GMT
#61
So did this start 7:00 CET or 9:00 CET?
FBH #1!
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
October 31 2019 13:21 GMT
#62
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WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4980 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-31 13:29:58
October 31 2019 13:29 GMT
#63
I did set it to 7:00 CET, but someone changed it. :\
(https://ksl.starcraft.com/en-us/schedule says 15:00 KST for both today as tomorrow which is 7:00 CET.)
FBH #1!
Snorkels
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1015 Posts
October 31 2019 13:44 GMT
#64
Darn about Stork, he gets the heart vote nine times out of ten.

Four bo5's is fun, ton of VODs to grab now.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
October 31 2019 13:54 GMT
#65
So no Final round?
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3093 Posts
October 31 2019 13:57 GMT
#66
They might hold the final games for all the groups on a single day later on.
Artosis loves Starcraft
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
October 31 2019 15:21 GMT
#67
My boy Stork is out already meanwhile choker Modesty is hanging on? ......
sunbeams are never made like me...
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8084 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-31 19:18:24
October 31 2019 19:18 GMT
#68
Mini looking super solid, modesty still has supurb muta micro and not much else, mind and stork looking sorta weak tbh.

Not a fan of this scheduling format, 4 Bo5s in a row is a lot for viewers/casters and players looked far less prepared during the winners/losers matches.
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51429 Posts
October 31 2019 20:23 GMT
#69
On November 01 2019 04:18 Ideas wrote:
Mini looking super solid, modesty still has supurb muta micro and not much else, mind and stork looking sorta weak tbh.

Not a fan of this scheduling format, 4 Bo5s in a row is a lot for viewers/casters and players looked far less prepared during the winners/losers matches.


may also explain the very milquetoast map pool - less preparation means less sophisticated maps needed
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LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3022 Posts
October 31 2019 20:38 GMT
#70
On October 31 2019 20:18 Gorsameth wrote:
Nothing like watching a game where one of the casters is salty as fuck and complaining all game long.

I'll happily wait another month for the KSL to come back if it means the games have decent commentators instead of this.

Artosis does this like every terran vs protoss game lol and I don't personally mind, I think it's funny
https://www.twitch.tv/argsabbath/
LocoBolon
Profile Joined June 2012
Argentina243 Posts
November 01 2019 01:55 GMT
#71
On October 31 2019 16:48 onlystar wrote:
the casting is like having 2 F rank bw players commenting half of the time they have no clue what a player is trying to do or why he does certain actions inthe game... its actually shameful


Yes I agree, this is very clear now, casting is very sub level when Artosis is not there.
Rapid is ok ish and Tasteless is good as casters overall, meaning they could cast golf and maybe make it less boring, but they know shit about bw, But many people watch KSL and also play ranked bw and also watch progamer stream and know about build order, meta, current trendigs, etc. So the casting of KSL ASL, should be aware of what 5:30 muta is, or what is 9734 or 11 nexus vs zerg, or why faint moving out with 4 marine vs z are a thing.
Artosis is the only caster who knows those things, i'm not bashing on NoRegret/Rapid/Tasteless, I think I'm pointing out a fact, they don't know enough about the game. That's why they tend to do good when they team with Artosis, He is the only one who succesfully combines casting habilities and brood war brain, when he is not around a good idea could be making casting teams of 3 people, like koreans do: two joke tellers like today and one guest who actually plays and watch starcraft, like Cadenzie or EonZerg I dont know...

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QOGQOG
Profile Joined July 2019
834 Posts
November 01 2019 02:18 GMT
#72
On November 01 2019 04:18 Ideas wrote:
Mini looking super solid, modesty still has supurb muta micro and not much else, mind and stork looking sorta weak tbh.

Yeah, I'm glad to see Mini performing well after... whatever that was in ASL. Mind is looking rusty--it seems like his macro was really off?--but I think he has a decent chance in the rematch.
Shiladie
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1631 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-01 20:42:31
November 01 2019 20:38 GMT
#73
The games were decent, but I need to throw my 2 cents in and say that this was the first time in years that I had to mute the english casters so I could enjoy the games.

Rapid was just annoyingly making pointless memes and references, while noregret unfortunately doesn't have the game knowledge. They don't say anything constructive about the games, completely misunderstanding basic builds and pushes that anyone who plays the matchup knows.

Coming from the early Moletrap and Klazart days of casting, I have a patience for watching casters learn as they go. However I don't see either of them putting in the effort to improve at BW casting at all. I can hardly blame them, it's not a big growth industry right now, but it's really coming across in the casts, especially when compared with Tastosis as the alternative.

Both may be able to be carried by half of Tastosis, but together this was a complete trainwreck.
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4980 Posts
November 01 2019 22:53 GMT
#74
I advise everyone who doesn't like the English casting for whatever reason to just watch the Korean stream instead.
Even if you don't understand it, it's much nicer than muting all sounds together imo.

I believe it is simply too difficult to find an English caster in Korea to have all the desired qualities. And to use casters outside Korea will just bring too many technical difficulties to make it worthwhile.
FBH #1!
KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
November 01 2019 23:31 GMT
#75
The bo5s involving overmatched players like mind, stork, rush and modesty are painful, mini and rain had cakewalks
Brainojack
Profile Joined March 2018
Canada195 Posts
November 02 2019 12:36 GMT
#76
On November 02 2019 05:38 Shiladie wrote:

Coming from the early Moletrap and Klazart days of casting, I have a patience for watching casters learn as they go. However I don't see either of them putting in the effort to improve at BW casting at all. I can hardly blame them, it's not a big growth industry right now, but it's really coming across in the casts, especially when compared with Tastosis as the alternative.

Both may be able to be carried by half of Tastosis, but together this was a complete trainwreck.


If you don't see Rapid putting in the time to improve and/or improving then you're not watching
KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
November 02 2019 15:12 GMT
#77
Rapid is still horrible. He's gone from F- to a D-. He's completely unfunny, memes constantly, and tries way too hard to use bad jokes to hide his nonexistent ability to analyze. He still doesn't pay attention half the time. In one game for example, a PvZ, he missed the +1 upgrade even though the observer just showed it, then the observer fortunately showed it again and he thanked the observer. Stuff like that happens all the time with him. He's super sloppy and afraid to be wrong, so he resorts to killing time with memes and unfunny jokes, but "funny" enough that's what causes him to be even more wrong in the long-term.

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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-02 17:20:59
November 02 2019 17:17 GMT
#78
Given how long they were stuck casting (like seriously the KSL days are way too long) I thought Noregret and Rapid did an amazing job.

I think the two of them cast really well together, but maybe it's because I seemingly get the humour they're going for which a lot of people seem to miss. They entertained me for the ridiculously long cast, maybe I'm just easy to please but I had a lot of fun watching.

One thing I'd like to point out as a caster is that joking around is a good way to fill time and keep people entertained. There's only so many times you can say the same things over and over again and when every series is a Bo5 and you have to do 20 of them in a day then there's only so many jokes that will hit their mark.
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Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
November 03 2019 08:14 GMT
#79
Not liking this format. It's way too long.
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4126 Posts
November 03 2019 14:52 GMT
#80
Anyone know why they are doing so many BO5s in a single day? Don't get me wrong I love BW but I think spreading it out would be better for people to follow in general. If you miss the games you wouldn't have to sit through 6 hours of vods at one go.
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