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[ASL7] Grand Finals - Mini vs Last - Page 10

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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44305 Posts
March 18 2019 00:12 GMT
#181
On March 18 2019 05:38 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2019 03:25 Jealous wrote:
How can the afreeca player crash so fucking much omfg. Basically unusable. Is this not a problem in Korea or something????

I didnt have one problem with afreeca last night. probably just you

Afreeca half the time doesn't work for me. Including last night.

So anybody has any idea where i can find the vods from last night ? The youtube one got flagged.
this is a quote
Burned Toast *
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada2040 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-18 01:06:15
March 18 2019 01:05 GMT
#182
On March 18 2019 09:12 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2019 05:38 FlaShFTW wrote:
On March 18 2019 03:25 Jealous wrote:
How can the afreeca player crash so fucking much omfg. Basically unusable. Is this not a problem in Korea or something????

I didnt have one problem with afreeca last night. probably just you

Afreeca half the time doesn't work for me. Including last night.

So anybody has any idea where i can find the vods from last night ? The youtube one got flagged.


The VODs are available on the Best's YT channel :
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFHUplScMiWTjJrtv4hxWmg/videos

Warning : You'll be spoiled by the numbers of videos.
TvT matchup is sometimes worse than jailtime
Little-Chimp
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada951 Posts
March 18 2019 01:22 GMT
#183
Or watch it here: http://vod.afreecatv.com/PLAYER/STATION/42458592
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44305 Posts
March 18 2019 01:49 GMT
#184
Alright thanks !
this is a quote
Terrorbladder
Profile Joined May 2014
2755 Posts
March 18 2019 01:50 GMT
#185
>missed the games
>open TL
>"Last Appreciation Thread" on top of general
>know the winner instantly
based
My dream is to fertilize two females at a time.
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3169 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-18 02:21:46
March 18 2019 02:19 GMT
#186
Congratulations to Last one the great win. Shame there is a lot of balance whine to take away from his great win though. Now we have our first ASL + KSL champion. Last played very well and deserved his win this season.

Edit: I read through the thread again. If you don't want spoilers, then don't read through an Live report thread. How dense can you be?
Artosis loves Starcraft
GunSlinger
Profile Joined June 2006
614 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-18 02:51:51
March 18 2019 02:40 GMT
#187
Balance whine? Laaaaaaaaaaaaawl.

Step 1: Everyone complain that Block Chain is favoured towards Protoss.
Step 2: Last keeps a 100% winrate in the ASL on Block Chain (5 games) as a Terran. Four out of the five are against Protoss.
Profit: Last wins the ASL. GG.

When Last floated the factory over the wall to counter the fast Nexus from Mini, I was like, "Oh yeah, why would this ever work against Terran? This is so obvious." And yet there it is... Mini doin it. Maybe he didn't watch Last's game against Snow? ^^

Great games but Last is really on another level right now.


On March 18 2019 08:56 Aminus wrote:
...in one of the games I think number 3, I was absolutely sure that there was a spectator's bug and it stopped showing mini's spent resources so they are piling there infinitely. This is not Warcraft 3, piling resources is always wrong and harmful.


Please do not speak in absolutes, especially when they are false.

When you are at max supply piling resources is of course, not harmful. In the super late game as well. When you are not max supply but have very high supply, sometimes piling resources is not harmful. As sometimes you need that open supply when you are about to max out, but are not sure what to build just yet (waiting for scouting info, etc.).
I don't want to be this guy right now, since I realize this is a random flippant remark, but I think a distinction needs to be made here. Somebody might get the wrong idea from reading that.
GunSlinger
Profile Joined June 2006
614 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-18 02:55:05
March 18 2019 02:53 GMT
#188


EDIT - lol sorry ^^
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3169 Posts
March 18 2019 03:01 GMT
#189
Relax man, no need to freak.

Either way, It was a fun series to watch. I remember when I saw that Corsair in on match point I first thought it was for disturb web. I wonder if we'll see more of Corsairs to combat Wraiths in PvT?

Artosis loves Starcraft
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
March 18 2019 03:11 GMT
#190
Even though he beat Effort, I feel like Mini is just too emotionally fragile to win a series unless it goes his way from the get-go. Grats to Last, he's the "poor man's Flash" basically.
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
onlystar
Profile Joined March 2015
United States971 Posts
March 18 2019 03:56 GMT
#191
On March 18 2019 10:50 Terrorbladder wrote:
>missed the games
>open TL
>"Last Appreciation Thread" on top of general
>know the winner instantly
based


justto add you are aware now its just best to stay away from TL when u really dont want any spoilers i mean even looking at the streambar and see a possible winner of the match ontop of the streambar ull also know who won
LocoBolon
Profile Joined June 2012
Argentina246 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-18 05:27:00
March 18 2019 04:01 GMT
#192
On March 18 2019 08:56 Aminus wrote:
End of game 2 and i can definitely say, mini is the best protoss player right now, Rain so overrated. Mini showing much much better and complicated games against same opponents Rain got defeated already and in general... And the fact Mini does that by wining a game from a big dissadvantage conquering his own mind just calls for so good story of ones deep improvement not only in game but in character and spirit. Thats the protoss spirit!


Rain so overrated? Lol are you out of your mind? He is smarter and emotionally stronger than Mini to say the least, champ material
Strategy, decision making and bran wise, Rain is the closest thing to Flash that exist in the Protoss realm.

"overrated"... pfff don't make me laugh
Standard Queens
Just_a_Moth
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada1971 Posts
March 18 2019 04:30 GMT
#193
On March 18 2019 13:01 LocoBolon wrote:
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On March 18 2019 08:56 Aminus wrote:
End of game 2 and i can definitely say, mini is the best protoss player right now, Rain so overrated. Mini showing much much better and complicated games against same opponents Rain got defeated already and in general... And the fact Mini does that by wining a game from a big dissadvantage conquering his own mind just calls for so good story of ones deep improvement not only in game but in character and spirit. Thats the protoss spirit!


Rain overrated? He is smarter and emotionally stronger than Mini.
Strategy, decision making and bran wise, Rain is the closest thing to Flash that exist in the Protoss realm.

Also the the closest thing to Last.
TaardadAiel
Profile Joined May 2017
Bulgaria750 Posts
March 18 2019 07:18 GMT
#194
On March 18 2019 00:42 oxKnu wrote:
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On March 17 2019 23:38 TaardadAiel wrote:
Is this about the ASL5 map pool or this season's?


In general, ASL5 was disgusting in particular for me. All of the talk was about how everything was designed to take down Flash and Terrans when the actual imbalanced map, Transistor, was not even in the discussion. So many hot takes with no actual technical points to base it on.


But it was designed to take down Flash, someone said as much explicitly afaik. And yes, Transistor was discussed and then when Flash won with his cute timing he was also praised. The usual argument is about Third World, since it was played twice in his series vs Snow and he lost twice. It does feel P favoured and statistics confirm this, albeit slightly (something about 53% off the top of my head). And yes, people did point out that Flash lost on Gladiator. Until a certain point in the game I was SURE that Flash was winning, so props to Snow for playing amazing PvT I suppose. That's what Flash did anyway - he gave credit to Snow.

I had more issues with PvZ map balance in ASL5, tbh. And possibly this season, too, even if we had neither Soulkey nor larva in the elimination phase. I haven't checked any statistics though.

WriterReV hwaiting!
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4289 Posts
March 18 2019 07:37 GMT
#195
That Block Chain game was terrible.. that factory float is so obvious on that map.. I mean, come on..

ugh..
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
March 18 2019 08:39 GMT
#196
Am I the only one that thought Mini could've actually went 2-3, maybe even potentially 3-2 had he done things a bit differently. His style of playing is definitely unique and he's not afraid to throw things and be aggressive which is why Last went for wraith every single game, except last one. But at the same time, he never tried any cheese and in most of the games, he made such large blunders.

Game 1: He broke the siege line with that nice attack with storm and got a lift at the third. Great, move back, take another base, macro up w/e but then he made another attack with his mostly goon army into mines and tanks losing a lot of units. He did ok afterwards especially when he got that nice storm drop at Last's fourth, but after that, it was all Last.

Game 2: He won, but he was really close to losing it had it not been for the growing carrier count+great positioning for his zealot/goon army outside Last's expansion.

Game 3: He defended the first aggression by Last pretty well, but was impatient and couldn't wait like 2 seconds for his obs so he lost a goon and his other 2 went to red hp. Then he went for that large attack on Last's third when there were lots of tanks+mines losing not only most of his army, but his 2 reavers as well. He could've sat back and threatened a poke or even sieged the cc with his reavers from afar (believe reavers were right outside the range of closest tank and if not, just a light contain is good enough) then he could've expanded to the top right and kept trading.

Game 4: Let's not get started on this one lol

Still, this was a nice series to watch and congrats to Last! Finally an ASL win and our first ASL/KSL dual champion so we'll have to wait and see if any Terrans can top him off.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
asel
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Germany1605 Posts
March 18 2019 10:39 GMT
#197
Mini's play seemed really off. Losing reavers left and right. Maybe he couldn't handle the big stage.
eSTRO for life | #3 Sea.Really fan! | GGoliath! | aeterna societas honoris | cbta~ | Flash makes Terran look like Toss | aka RevaL
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4180 Posts
March 18 2019 11:27 GMT
#198
On March 18 2019 11:40 GunSlinger wrote:
Balance whine? Laaaaaaaaaaaaawl.

Step 1: Everyone complain that Block Chain is favoured towards Protoss.
Step 2: Last keeps a 100% winrate in the ASL on Block Chain (5 games) as a Terran. Four out of the five are against Protoss.
Profit: Last wins the ASL. GG.

When Last floated the factory over the wall to counter the fast Nexus from Mini, I was like, "Oh yeah, why would this ever work against Terran? This is so obvious." And yet there it is... Mini doin it. Maybe he didn't watch Last's game against Snow? ^^

Great games but Last is really on another level right now.


Show nested quote +
On March 18 2019 08:56 Aminus wrote:
...in one of the games I think number 3, I was absolutely sure that there was a spectator's bug and it stopped showing mini's spent resources so they are piling there infinitely. This is not Warcraft 3, piling resources is always wrong and harmful.


Please do not speak in absolutes, especially when they are false.

When you are at max supply piling resources is of course, not harmful. In the super late game as well. When you are not max supply but have very high supply, sometimes piling resources is not harmful. As sometimes you need that open supply when you are about to max out, but are not sure what to build just yet (waiting for scouting info, etc.).
I don't want to be this guy right now, since I realize this is a random flippant remark, but I think a distinction needs to be made here. Somebody might get the wrong idea from reading that.

Well if the goal is to penetrate my argument, you can also add that sometimes zergs pile resources to unleash mass mutas or ultralisks. I am assuming that people using this forum have enough broodwar knowledge and IQ to understand what I am trying to say, without the need of pinpointing all the exceptions that are irrelevant to the main idea of the argument
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
ajmbek
Profile Joined November 2008
Italy460 Posts
March 18 2019 14:30 GMT
#199
On March 18 2019 00:27 Artas1984 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2019 23:24 whaski wrote:
Finally Last takes ASL. Really great season and well deserved victory for Last!


Stupid! Spoiled everything!!!



oh man, if after a final you do not want to get spoiled do not go on TL
Sic iter ad astra
LfunkGG
Profile Joined February 2019
78 Posts
March 18 2019 14:45 GMT
#200
they don't upload the finals on youtube,
afreeca is so terrible it's impossible to watch than 5 min without crashing.
i mean why do you even have english casters?
how come you build a video streaming website, you decide it's good enough to cast finals in, but it crashes every 5 minute when you playback?
i just dont get it.
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