• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 16:56
CET 22:56
KST 06:56
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies3ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !11Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2
StarCraft 2
General
ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced! What's the best tug of war? The Grack before Christmas Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies
Tourneys
OSC Season 13 World Championship $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship $100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ How soO Began His ProGaming Dreams Recommended FPV games (post-KeSPA) BW General Discussion FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] LB QuarterFinals - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] WB SEMIFINALS - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Mechabellum Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread How Does UI/UX Design Influence User Trust? Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
National Diversity: A Challe…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2273 users

[ASL6] Ro8 EffOrt vs Rain - Page 4

Forum Index > Brood War Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 9 10 11 Next All
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
October 09 2018 11:02 GMT
#61
Lets go Rain
hatred outlives the hateful
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
October 09 2018 11:02 GMT
#62
losing drones to DT does not alert, does not show on mini map, the only way to see it it's to notice while it is happening. Effort failed in properly having spotting points for air drops, so he could see the red dot before the DT is dropped
BW is back
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
October 09 2018 11:02 GMT
#63
On October 09 2018 19:59 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
Some poeple here have a strange concept dont they.

Why are the pros so good? Because they have high apm, hatcherys on hotkeys. So OBVIOUSLY they dont go to the hatches all the time and click larvas.

They just do it all on the keys and focus on their units and the map ect..

You can hardly blame someone losing drones to a DT. It is one of the easiest things to happen.

Strange people.

What's up with the trend of overrreacting when forumers point out pros' mistakes? It was a mistake to not spot it earlier, even if it's effectively hard to spot.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
CakeSauc3
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1437 Posts
October 09 2018 11:03 GMT
#64
On October 09 2018 20:02 Jackal03 wrote:
losing drones to DT does not alert, does not show on mini map, the only way to see it it's to notice while it is happening. Effort failed in properly having spotting points for air drops, so he could see the red dot before the DT is dropped

DTs that are within detecting range of an Overlord don't show up on the minimap?
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
October 09 2018 11:03 GMT
#65
love the autobahn talk :D :D
hatred outlives the hateful
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
October 09 2018 11:05 GMT
#66
On October 09 2018 20:02 nojok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2018 19:59 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
Some poeple here have a strange concept dont they.

Why are the pros so good? Because they have high apm, hatcherys on hotkeys. So OBVIOUSLY they dont go to the hatches all the time and click larvas.

They just do it all on the keys and focus on their units and the map ect..

You can hardly blame someone losing drones to a DT. It is one of the easiest things to happen.

Strange people.

What's up with the trend of overrreacting when forumers point out pros' mistakes? It was a mistake to not spot it earlier, even if it's effectively hard to spot.



Where is the overreaction? Did I insult anyone?

My point is: Missing a DT killing Drones happens easily. To spot it is very hard. It depens a lot on luck.

So someone treating it as if it was a "huge blunder" ist rubbish.

Where is the overreaction?

ô.Ô
hatred outlives the hateful
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
October 09 2018 11:07 GMT
#67
On October 09 2018 20:03 CakeSauc3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2018 20:02 Jackal03 wrote:
losing drones to DT does not alert, does not show on mini map, the only way to see it it's to notice while it is happening. Effort failed in properly having spotting points for air drops, so he could see the red dot before the DT is dropped

DTs that are within detecting range of an Overlord don't show up on the minimap?


yes, they show
BW is back
Ota Solgryn
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark2011 Posts
October 09 2018 11:10 GMT
#68
Wow tight game!
ihasaKAROT: "Wish people would stop wasting their lives on finding flaws in others"
Ota Solgryn
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark2011 Posts
October 09 2018 11:11 GMT
#69
On October 09 2018 19:59 nojok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2018 19:57 Ota Solgryn wrote:
On October 09 2018 19:42 Miragee wrote:
On October 09 2018 19:38 Ota Solgryn wrote:
On October 09 2018 19:32 Miragee wrote:
On October 09 2018 19:25 BlackJack wrote:
effort does mass hydra + muta to snipe HT very well. I imagine he will go for that a bit in this series


He just does mass hydra and wins, lol. What am I watching? Just macro up and go? What was Rain thinking? That was so unbelievably one-sided.


He must have messed up some macro cycles. With those upgrades and with 15 extra zealots in the big fight ( he had 1900 minerals floating) would have been huge. Now he barely survived that due to storm.


He barely survived? He didn't survive. And he only got that far because of those storms against no micro that killed like 3 control groups of hydras. He would have barely survived with that extra round of zealots but that's it.


Just rewatched and yes he did survive.
The first big attack he survives farily well.
At the second big attack Rain also survives the push at his min only, but barely, even though he has 1600 minerals banked. With those as slots either coming running as reinforcements or even incorperated he would have been able to get his froth up probably.

He lost all the templars during the first attack, 15 more zealots would not have changed the fact he had no storm left, it would have delayed the end for 30 seconds at best.


Zealots with the number of goons is really strong against hydras until you get critical mass, especially with the upgrades. I think he would have plenty of time to get 2 or 3 new templars.
ihasaKAROT: "Wish people would stop wasting their lives on finding flaws in others"
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50601 Posts
October 09 2018 11:12 GMT
#70
Poll: Recommend EffOrt vs Rain Game 3?

If you have time (6)
 
40%

No (6)
 
40%

Yes (3)
 
20%

15 total votes

Your vote: Recommend EffOrt vs Rain Game 3?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8617 Posts
October 09 2018 11:12 GMT
#71
What a boring game. That was just disgusting zerg play. Rain did almost everything right and still lost. I hate that kind of zerg play.

On October 09 2018 19:57 Ota Solgryn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2018 19:42 Miragee wrote:
On October 09 2018 19:38 Ota Solgryn wrote:
On October 09 2018 19:32 Miragee wrote:
On October 09 2018 19:25 BlackJack wrote:
effort does mass hydra + muta to snipe HT very well. I imagine he will go for that a bit in this series


He just does mass hydra and wins, lol. What am I watching? Just macro up and go? What was Rain thinking? That was so unbelievably one-sided.


He must have messed up some macro cycles. With those upgrades and with 15 extra zealots in the big fight ( he had 1900 minerals floating) would have been huge. Now he barely survived that due to storm.


He barely survived? He didn't survive. And he only got that far because of those storms against no micro that killed like 3 control groups of hydras. He would have barely survived with that extra round of zealots but that's it.


Just rewatched and yes he did survive.
The first big attack he survives farily well.
At the second big attack Rain also survives the push at his min only, but barely, even though he has 1600 minerals banked. With those as slots either coming running as reinforcements or even incorperated he would have been able to get his froth up probably.


I think we are talking about different things.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
October 09 2018 11:12 GMT
#72
Close. Feels like Rain needs a faster Templar archive? Maybe add 2 gates then archive then a third?
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3123 Posts
October 09 2018 11:13 GMT
#73
Relax magic I know EffOrt is a good player. I just thought he'd have a spore or something in his main. But at high levels when so many things are happening I can understand it's hard to do everything at once. chill

Good to see EffOrt bounce back from game 2. I thought Rain might be able to hold there but those hydras where just to much.
I can see why protoss would veto that map.
Artosis loves Starcraft
CakeSauc3
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1437 Posts
October 09 2018 11:14 GMT
#74
Other than the early zealot harass that you can do with a gateway expand, is there another window of opportunity for harassing Zerg that Rain could be using here before the Hydra contain/bust timing takes place? Does he need to play more aggressive, or does he just need to better read that the attack is coming?
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
October 09 2018 11:14 GMT
#75
On October 09 2018 20:05 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2018 20:02 nojok wrote:
On October 09 2018 19:59 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
Some poeple here have a strange concept dont they.

Because they have high apm, hatcherys on hotkeys. So OBVIOUSLY they dont go to the hatches all the time and click larvas.

They just do it all on the keys and focus on their units and the map ect..

You can hardly blame someone losing drones to a DT. It is one of the easiest things to happen.

Strange people.

What's up with the trend of overrreacting when forumers point out pros' mistakes? It was a mistake to not spot it earlier, even if it's effectively hard to spot.



Where is the overreaction? Did I insult anyone?

My point is: Missing a DT killing Drones happens easily. To spot it is very hard. It depens a lot on luck.

So someone treating it as if it was a "huge blunder" ist rubbish.

Where is the overreaction?

ô.Ô

"Why are the pros so good? etc"

It happens every LR, someone tells us the pros are so good and the game losing mistake was actually a very small mistake etc

Don't worry you're not virulent like some can be. It's just I don't understand the reasonning behind this.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
Aminus
Profile Joined October 2018
Bulgaria35 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-09 11:17:40
October 09 2018 11:15 GMT
#76
Another ultra noobish game from rain, whats the purpose of teching into storm when you have hydras at your natural? Not only that but he didnt rebuilt his forge right aways , he didnt attacked hydras with his zealots he just ran them around to make them as useless as possible. to me it looked like he wanted to lose that game on purpose.
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3123 Posts
October 09 2018 11:17 GMT
#77
He did alright. EffOrt just hit a strong timing before storm finished.
Artosis loves Starcraft
CakeSauc3
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1437 Posts
October 09 2018 11:19 GMT
#78
Come on Rain, bring it back buddy
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8506 Posts
October 09 2018 11:19 GMT
#79
WOO! i am back home ! i am glad to catch at least a match !
go effort !
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4132 Posts
October 09 2018 11:20 GMT
#80
Isnt it proven better to tech to reavers when you are sure that you have to hold hydra busts?
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 9 10 11 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 3h 4m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 579
NeuroSwarm 178
ProTech140
Nathanias 103
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 1646
Shuttle 86
League of Legends
C9.Mang0235
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu448
Khaldor178
Other Games
Grubby4502
tarik_tv2604
fl0m1009
Beastyqt948
RotterdaM415
B2W.Neo314
mouzStarbuck311
Sick88
ZombieGrub41
Chillindude25
Organizations
StarCraft 2
angryscii 33
Other Games
BasetradeTV28
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 49
• davetesta16
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV839
League of Legends
• Doublelift2232
Other Games
• imaqtpie2739
• Shiphtur418
• tFFMrPink 20
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
3h 4m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 12h
Krystianer vs TBD
TriGGeR vs SKillous
Percival vs TBD
ByuN vs Nicoract
OSC
1d 20h
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
OSC
3 days
Solar vs MaxPax
ByuN vs Krystianer
Spirit vs TBD
OSC
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025

Upcoming

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.