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PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
October 09 2018 11:02 GMT
#61
Lets go Rain
hatred outlives the hateful
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
October 09 2018 11:02 GMT
#62
losing drones to DT does not alert, does not show on mini map, the only way to see it it's to notice while it is happening. Effort failed in properly having spotting points for air drops, so he could see the red dot before the DT is dropped
BW is back
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
October 09 2018 11:02 GMT
#63
On October 09 2018 19:59 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
Some poeple here have a strange concept dont they.

Why are the pros so good? Because they have high apm, hatcherys on hotkeys. So OBVIOUSLY they dont go to the hatches all the time and click larvas.

They just do it all on the keys and focus on their units and the map ect..

You can hardly blame someone losing drones to a DT. It is one of the easiest things to happen.

Strange people.

What's up with the trend of overrreacting when forumers point out pros' mistakes? It was a mistake to not spot it earlier, even if it's effectively hard to spot.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
CakeSauc3
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1437 Posts
October 09 2018 11:03 GMT
#64
On October 09 2018 20:02 Jackal03 wrote:
losing drones to DT does not alert, does not show on mini map, the only way to see it it's to notice while it is happening. Effort failed in properly having spotting points for air drops, so he could see the red dot before the DT is dropped

DTs that are within detecting range of an Overlord don't show up on the minimap?
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
October 09 2018 11:03 GMT
#65
love the autobahn talk :D :D
hatred outlives the hateful
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
October 09 2018 11:05 GMT
#66
On October 09 2018 20:02 nojok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2018 19:59 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
Some poeple here have a strange concept dont they.

Why are the pros so good? Because they have high apm, hatcherys on hotkeys. So OBVIOUSLY they dont go to the hatches all the time and click larvas.

They just do it all on the keys and focus on their units and the map ect..

You can hardly blame someone losing drones to a DT. It is one of the easiest things to happen.

Strange people.

What's up with the trend of overrreacting when forumers point out pros' mistakes? It was a mistake to not spot it earlier, even if it's effectively hard to spot.



Where is the overreaction? Did I insult anyone?

My point is: Missing a DT killing Drones happens easily. To spot it is very hard. It depens a lot on luck.

So someone treating it as if it was a "huge blunder" ist rubbish.

Where is the overreaction?

ô.Ô
hatred outlives the hateful
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
October 09 2018 11:07 GMT
#67
On October 09 2018 20:03 CakeSauc3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2018 20:02 Jackal03 wrote:
losing drones to DT does not alert, does not show on mini map, the only way to see it it's to notice while it is happening. Effort failed in properly having spotting points for air drops, so he could see the red dot before the DT is dropped

DTs that are within detecting range of an Overlord don't show up on the minimap?


yes, they show
BW is back
Ota Solgryn
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark2011 Posts
October 09 2018 11:10 GMT
#68
Wow tight game!
ihasaKAROT: "Wish people would stop wasting their lives on finding flaws in others"
Ota Solgryn
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark2011 Posts
October 09 2018 11:11 GMT
#69
On October 09 2018 19:59 nojok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2018 19:57 Ota Solgryn wrote:
On October 09 2018 19:42 Miragee wrote:
On October 09 2018 19:38 Ota Solgryn wrote:
On October 09 2018 19:32 Miragee wrote:
On October 09 2018 19:25 BlackJack wrote:
effort does mass hydra + muta to snipe HT very well. I imagine he will go for that a bit in this series


He just does mass hydra and wins, lol. What am I watching? Just macro up and go? What was Rain thinking? That was so unbelievably one-sided.


He must have messed up some macro cycles. With those upgrades and with 15 extra zealots in the big fight ( he had 1900 minerals floating) would have been huge. Now he barely survived that due to storm.


He barely survived? He didn't survive. And he only got that far because of those storms against no micro that killed like 3 control groups of hydras. He would have barely survived with that extra round of zealots but that's it.


Just rewatched and yes he did survive.
The first big attack he survives farily well.
At the second big attack Rain also survives the push at his min only, but barely, even though he has 1600 minerals banked. With those as slots either coming running as reinforcements or even incorperated he would have been able to get his froth up probably.

He lost all the templars during the first attack, 15 more zealots would not have changed the fact he had no storm left, it would have delayed the end for 30 seconds at best.


Zealots with the number of goons is really strong against hydras until you get critical mass, especially with the upgrades. I think he would have plenty of time to get 2 or 3 new templars.
ihasaKAROT: "Wish people would stop wasting their lives on finding flaws in others"
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50389 Posts
October 09 2018 11:12 GMT
#70
Poll: Recommend EffOrt vs Rain Game 3?

If you have time (6)
 
40%

No (6)
 
40%

Yes (3)
 
20%

15 total votes

Your vote: Recommend EffOrt vs Rain Game 3?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8551 Posts
October 09 2018 11:12 GMT
#71
What a boring game. That was just disgusting zerg play. Rain did almost everything right and still lost. I hate that kind of zerg play.

On October 09 2018 19:57 Ota Solgryn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2018 19:42 Miragee wrote:
On October 09 2018 19:38 Ota Solgryn wrote:
On October 09 2018 19:32 Miragee wrote:
On October 09 2018 19:25 BlackJack wrote:
effort does mass hydra + muta to snipe HT very well. I imagine he will go for that a bit in this series


He just does mass hydra and wins, lol. What am I watching? Just macro up and go? What was Rain thinking? That was so unbelievably one-sided.


He must have messed up some macro cycles. With those upgrades and with 15 extra zealots in the big fight ( he had 1900 minerals floating) would have been huge. Now he barely survived that due to storm.


He barely survived? He didn't survive. And he only got that far because of those storms against no micro that killed like 3 control groups of hydras. He would have barely survived with that extra round of zealots but that's it.


Just rewatched and yes he did survive.
The first big attack he survives farily well.
At the second big attack Rain also survives the push at his min only, but barely, even though he has 1600 minerals banked. With those as slots either coming running as reinforcements or even incorperated he would have been able to get his froth up probably.


I think we are talking about different things.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
October 09 2018 11:12 GMT
#72
Close. Feels like Rain needs a faster Templar archive? Maybe add 2 gates then archive then a third?
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3119 Posts
October 09 2018 11:13 GMT
#73
Relax magic I know EffOrt is a good player. I just thought he'd have a spore or something in his main. But at high levels when so many things are happening I can understand it's hard to do everything at once. chill

Good to see EffOrt bounce back from game 2. I thought Rain might be able to hold there but those hydras where just to much.
I can see why protoss would veto that map.
Artosis loves Starcraft
CakeSauc3
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1437 Posts
October 09 2018 11:14 GMT
#74
Other than the early zealot harass that you can do with a gateway expand, is there another window of opportunity for harassing Zerg that Rain could be using here before the Hydra contain/bust timing takes place? Does he need to play more aggressive, or does he just need to better read that the attack is coming?
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
October 09 2018 11:14 GMT
#75
On October 09 2018 20:05 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2018 20:02 nojok wrote:
On October 09 2018 19:59 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
Some poeple here have a strange concept dont they.

Because they have high apm, hatcherys on hotkeys. So OBVIOUSLY they dont go to the hatches all the time and click larvas.

They just do it all on the keys and focus on their units and the map ect..

You can hardly blame someone losing drones to a DT. It is one of the easiest things to happen.

Strange people.

What's up with the trend of overrreacting when forumers point out pros' mistakes? It was a mistake to not spot it earlier, even if it's effectively hard to spot.



Where is the overreaction? Did I insult anyone?

My point is: Missing a DT killing Drones happens easily. To spot it is very hard. It depens a lot on luck.

So someone treating it as if it was a "huge blunder" ist rubbish.

Where is the overreaction?

ô.Ô

"Why are the pros so good? etc"

It happens every LR, someone tells us the pros are so good and the game losing mistake was actually a very small mistake etc

Don't worry you're not virulent like some can be. It's just I don't understand the reasonning behind this.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
Aminus
Profile Joined October 2018
Bulgaria35 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-09 11:17:40
October 09 2018 11:15 GMT
#76
Another ultra noobish game from rain, whats the purpose of teching into storm when you have hydras at your natural? Not only that but he didnt rebuilt his forge right aways , he didnt attacked hydras with his zealots he just ran them around to make them as useless as possible. to me it looked like he wanted to lose that game on purpose.
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3119 Posts
October 09 2018 11:17 GMT
#77
He did alright. EffOrt just hit a strong timing before storm finished.
Artosis loves Starcraft
CakeSauc3
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1437 Posts
October 09 2018 11:19 GMT
#78
Come on Rain, bring it back buddy
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8290 Posts
October 09 2018 11:19 GMT
#79
WOO! i am back home ! i am glad to catch at least a match !
go effort !
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4123 Posts
October 09 2018 11:20 GMT
#80
Isnt it proven better to tech to reavers when you are sure that you have to hold hydra busts?
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
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