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iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1741 Posts
October 12 2018 18:15 GMT
#201
On October 12 2018 13:11 kidcrash wrote:
Anyone else think that maelstrom should be reconsidered against muta snipes? Seemed like rain was in desperate need for an answer vs them in game 4.


I think it should because EffOrt almost always play like that, full hydra into muta, it's definitely something Rain could or should have anticipated taking in account that he went for dt.
No coward soul is mine, No trembler in the world's storm-troubled sphere, I see Heaven's glories shine, And Faith shines equal arming me from Fear
Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
October 12 2018 18:56 GMT
#202
A lot of the PvZ games I’ve seen in these tournaments had the Protoss make a Dark Archon for maelstrom. I think he just forgot too this game. And whoever made that Dark Archob key to next metagame shift thread was correct in his prediction.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19383 Posts
October 12 2018 19:32 GMT
#203
On October 13 2018 03:15 iFU.pauline wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2018 13:11 kidcrash wrote:
Anyone else think that maelstrom should be reconsidered against muta snipes? Seemed like rain was in desperate need for an answer vs them in game 4.


I think it should because EffOrt almost always play like that, full hydra into muta, it's definitely something Rain could or should have anticipated taking in account that he went for dt.

It would be much safer to build an archon imo.
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Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
October 12 2018 20:23 GMT
#204
I think Shuttle will defeat Action in his match. Shuttle always delivers unexpectedly.
sM.Zik
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2553 Posts
October 12 2018 21:16 GMT
#205
On October 13 2018 05:23 Alpha-NP- wrote:
I think Shuttle will defeat Action in his match. Shuttle always delivers unexpectedly.


Shuttle has a better PvZ than Rain, imo. Inconsistent though and Action is also underated. This is the underated series of the tournament imo.
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reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2216 Posts
October 13 2018 01:07 GMT
#206
On October 13 2018 06:16 sM.Zik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2018 05:23 Alpha-NP- wrote:
I think Shuttle will defeat Action in his match. Shuttle always delivers unexpectedly.


Shuttle has a better PvZ than Rain, imo. Inconsistent though and Action is also underated. This is the underated series of the tournament imo.

True, true. Action vs Shuttle has the potential to be one of the best series of the ro8. Both players are total ballers when playing at their best.
Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
October 13 2018 20:30 GMT
#207
Can someone please tell me about Shuttle’s PvZ style? And his PvT style? This guys seems very likeable to me. Is he as good with Reavers as Snow is? Thanks. Trying to prepare for the next round of Action vs Shuttle.
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
October 13 2018 22:20 GMT
#208
If Action reaches defilers, it will be glorios PvZs!
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-14 02:38:16
October 14 2018 00:39 GMT
#209
On October 14 2018 05:30 Alpha-NP- wrote:
Can someone please tell me about Shuttle’s PvZ style? And his PvT style? This guys seems very likeable to me. Is he as good with Reavers as Snow is? Thanks. Trying to prepare for the next round of Action vs Shuttle.


Shuttle is in possession of the very best late game protoss-versus-zerg due to his painstaking detail to having the correct composition, having good upgrades, and knowing how to handle late game situations in general. It is a sentiment shared by the likes of Bisu and EffOrt, who both said Shuttle's focus and mastery specifically for the late game situations is unmatched. It is a trait that is shared in his protoss-versus-terran play, where he focuses on having the correct army compositions for head-on battles, rather than trying to out-maneuver the enemy. I personally think the onus is on Action to prevent Shuttle from playing the style he prefers, because Shuttle is a force to be reckoned with if the situation allows for it.

I would argue that SnOw is rather weak at late large scale battles in general, what with his inefficient late game army compositions and not being as obsessed with having good upgrades. His focus is on out-maneuvering the enemy with good movement (he hates head-on collisions), and using certain key units such as reavers and carriers in a frustrating manner for the opposition, rather than engaging head-on like Shuttle, and winning through brute force. If Mini is the master of micro-management with sheer execution, I'd say SnOw is the master of micro-management through movement and cerebral utilization. Both of these micro-management players aren't the greatest at large scale battles that Shuttle is famed for.
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Muff2n
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom252 Posts
October 14 2018 09:06 GMT
#210
That calculation has nothing to do with how a real game plays out.

3 remaining templars is not enough at that point of the game. Especially not since some of them wasted their storms on the mutas.


That's a fair point about the remainders having cast some of their storms. But I typically see protoss needing more than 3-4 alive and well HT when a ball hits a ball.
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2216 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-15 09:35:12
October 15 2018 09:32 GMT
#211
On October 14 2018 09:39 Letmelose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2018 05:30 Alpha-NP- wrote:
Can someone please tell me about Shuttle’s PvZ style? And his PvT style? This guys seems very likeable to me. Is he as good with Reavers as Snow is? Thanks. Trying to prepare for the next round of Action vs Shuttle.


Shuttle is in possession of the very best late game protoss-versus-zerg due to his painstaking detail to having the correct composition, having good upgrades, and knowing how to handle late game situations in general. It is a sentiment shared by the likes of Bisu and EffOrt, who both said Shuttle's focus and mastery specifically for the late game situations is unmatched. It is a trait that is shared in his protoss-versus-terran play, where he focuses on having the correct army compositions for head-on battles, rather than trying to out-maneuver the enemy. I personally think the onus is on Action to prevent Shuttle from playing the style he prefers, because Shuttle is a force to be reckoned with if the situation allows for it.

I would argue that SnOw is rather weak at late large scale battles in general, what with his inefficient late game army compositions and not being as obsessed with having good upgrades. His focus is on out-maneuvering the enemy with good movement (he hates head-on collisions), and using certain key units such as reavers and carriers in a frustrating manner for the opposition, rather than engaging head-on like Shuttle, and winning through brute force. If Mini is the master of micro-management with sheer execution, I'd say SnOw is the master of micro-management through movement and cerebral utilization. Both of these micro-management players aren't the greatest at large scale battles that Shuttle is famed for.

Another very insightful post. Thanks! Looking forward to seeing if Mini can display his micro-management skills against Flash, who has relatively "weak" micro considering the fact that he's the best player in the world (as you highlighted in previous posts). Flash will probably destroy Mini either way, but it has the potential to be a special series.
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