• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 17:49
CET 23:49
KST 07:49
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Dark completes military service, returns to SC29[BSL23] RO16 Group Stage19Weekly Cups (Nov 2-8): herO back on top?2Weekly Cups (Oct 26 - Nov 1): MaxPax, herO, Solar win0Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175
StarCraft 2
General
Greetings.. Dark completes military service, returns to SC2 No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? Serral's getting trashed by New Catsle's Mind Weekly Cups (Nov 2-8): herO back on top?
Tourneys
Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) Dark returns! GSL CK #7 4v4 Team Battle (Nov 19) soO & FanTaSy return! SC2 Kevin Scrim 4v4 (Nov 16) RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 Tasteless Time Warp: SC Evo Showmatch (May 25)
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps Starcraft 2 Advance [D] the control group Simple Questions/Answers
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 551 Robotic Revival Mutation # 550 Graveyard Shift Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles
Brood War
General
List of top players active on ShieldBattery BW General Discussion Recommended BW Settings for Mouse and Video Starcraft:Brood War Discord Servers [BSL23] RO16 Group Stage
Tourneys
[$1250] International ShieldBattery League [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Bisu's Team vs Shuttle's Team 2026-11-14 2v2v2v2 Tournament Stage 1: Community Poll
Strategy
Pluto's TvP 5Marine 2Medic Push Simple Questions, Simple Answers Infested Terran strategies in 2026 Nuke strategy worked in K-League 2026-11-09
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Free Space RTS Game, optimised f. Phone/Tablet etc List of Game Threads The PlayStation 5
Dota 2
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Trading/Investing Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
Fan Club Resource Thread Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
The time I organised my…
AssyrianKing
Why I built Repalyzer (1.1.…
BlueStar
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 13522 users

[ASL6] Ro8 EffOrt vs Rain - Page 11

Forum Index > Brood War Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 9 10 11 All
iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1782 Posts
October 12 2018 18:15 GMT
#201
On October 12 2018 13:11 kidcrash wrote:
Anyone else think that maelstrom should be reconsidered against muta snipes? Seemed like rain was in desperate need for an answer vs them in game 4.


I think it should because EffOrt almost always play like that, full hydra into muta, it's definitely something Rain could or should have anticipated taking in account that he went for dt.
No coward soul is mine, No trembler in the world's storm-troubled sphere, I see Heaven's glories shine, And Faith shines equal arming me from Fear
Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
October 12 2018 18:56 GMT
#202
A lot of the PvZ games I’ve seen in these tournaments had the Protoss make a Dark Archon for maelstrom. I think he just forgot too this game. And whoever made that Dark Archob key to next metagame shift thread was correct in his prediction.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19400 Posts
October 12 2018 19:32 GMT
#203
On October 13 2018 03:15 iFU.pauline wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2018 13:11 kidcrash wrote:
Anyone else think that maelstrom should be reconsidered against muta snipes? Seemed like rain was in desperate need for an answer vs them in game 4.


I think it should because EffOrt almost always play like that, full hydra into muta, it's definitely something Rain could or should have anticipated taking in account that he went for dt.

It would be much safer to build an archon imo.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
October 12 2018 20:23 GMT
#204
I think Shuttle will defeat Action in his match. Shuttle always delivers unexpectedly.
sM.Zik
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2553 Posts
October 12 2018 21:16 GMT
#205
On October 13 2018 05:23 Alpha-NP- wrote:
I think Shuttle will defeat Action in his match. Shuttle always delivers unexpectedly.


Shuttle has a better PvZ than Rain, imo. Inconsistent though and Action is also underated. This is the underated series of the tournament imo.
Jaedong Fighting! | youtube.com/ZikGaming
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2216 Posts
October 13 2018 01:07 GMT
#206
On October 13 2018 06:16 sM.Zik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2018 05:23 Alpha-NP- wrote:
I think Shuttle will defeat Action in his match. Shuttle always delivers unexpectedly.


Shuttle has a better PvZ than Rain, imo. Inconsistent though and Action is also underated. This is the underated series of the tournament imo.

True, true. Action vs Shuttle has the potential to be one of the best series of the ro8. Both players are total ballers when playing at their best.
Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
October 13 2018 20:30 GMT
#207
Can someone please tell me about Shuttle’s PvZ style? And his PvT style? This guys seems very likeable to me. Is he as good with Reavers as Snow is? Thanks. Trying to prepare for the next round of Action vs Shuttle.
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
October 13 2018 22:20 GMT
#208
If Action reaches defilers, it will be glorios PvZs!
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-14 02:38:16
October 14 2018 00:39 GMT
#209
On October 14 2018 05:30 Alpha-NP- wrote:
Can someone please tell me about Shuttle’s PvZ style? And his PvT style? This guys seems very likeable to me. Is he as good with Reavers as Snow is? Thanks. Trying to prepare for the next round of Action vs Shuttle.


Shuttle is in possession of the very best late game protoss-versus-zerg due to his painstaking detail to having the correct composition, having good upgrades, and knowing how to handle late game situations in general. It is a sentiment shared by the likes of Bisu and EffOrt, who both said Shuttle's focus and mastery specifically for the late game situations is unmatched. It is a trait that is shared in his protoss-versus-terran play, where he focuses on having the correct army compositions for head-on battles, rather than trying to out-maneuver the enemy. I personally think the onus is on Action to prevent Shuttle from playing the style he prefers, because Shuttle is a force to be reckoned with if the situation allows for it.

I would argue that SnOw is rather weak at late large scale battles in general, what with his inefficient late game army compositions and not being as obsessed with having good upgrades. His focus is on out-maneuvering the enemy with good movement (he hates head-on collisions), and using certain key units such as reavers and carriers in a frustrating manner for the opposition, rather than engaging head-on like Shuttle, and winning through brute force. If Mini is the master of micro-management with sheer execution, I'd say SnOw is the master of micro-management through movement and cerebral utilization. Both of these micro-management players aren't the greatest at large scale battles that Shuttle is famed for.
TL+ Member
Muff2n
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom253 Posts
October 14 2018 09:06 GMT
#210
That calculation has nothing to do with how a real game plays out.

3 remaining templars is not enough at that point of the game. Especially not since some of them wasted their storms on the mutas.


That's a fair point about the remainders having cast some of their storms. But I typically see protoss needing more than 3-4 alive and well HT when a ball hits a ball.
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2216 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-15 09:35:12
October 15 2018 09:32 GMT
#211
On October 14 2018 09:39 Letmelose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2018 05:30 Alpha-NP- wrote:
Can someone please tell me about Shuttle’s PvZ style? And his PvT style? This guys seems very likeable to me. Is he as good with Reavers as Snow is? Thanks. Trying to prepare for the next round of Action vs Shuttle.


Shuttle is in possession of the very best late game protoss-versus-zerg due to his painstaking detail to having the correct composition, having good upgrades, and knowing how to handle late game situations in general. It is a sentiment shared by the likes of Bisu and EffOrt, who both said Shuttle's focus and mastery specifically for the late game situations is unmatched. It is a trait that is shared in his protoss-versus-terran play, where he focuses on having the correct army compositions for head-on battles, rather than trying to out-maneuver the enemy. I personally think the onus is on Action to prevent Shuttle from playing the style he prefers, because Shuttle is a force to be reckoned with if the situation allows for it.

I would argue that SnOw is rather weak at late large scale battles in general, what with his inefficient late game army compositions and not being as obsessed with having good upgrades. His focus is on out-maneuvering the enemy with good movement (he hates head-on collisions), and using certain key units such as reavers and carriers in a frustrating manner for the opposition, rather than engaging head-on like Shuttle, and winning through brute force. If Mini is the master of micro-management with sheer execution, I'd say SnOw is the master of micro-management through movement and cerebral utilization. Both of these micro-management players aren't the greatest at large scale battles that Shuttle is famed for.

Another very insightful post. Thanks! Looking forward to seeing if Mini can display his micro-management skills against Flash, who has relatively "weak" micro considering the fact that he's the best player in the world (as you highlighted in previous posts). Flash will probably destroy Mini either way, but it has the potential to be a special series.
Prev 1 9 10 11 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL
05:00
S23 - Ro16 Group A
TerrOr vs OyAji
UltrA vs Gosudark
ZZZero.O262
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 433
StarCraft: Brood War
ZZZero.O 262
soO 27
Dota 2
420jenkins831
LuMiX1
League of Legends
gofns9570
JimRising 1038
Counter-Strike
zeus978
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor197
Other Games
summit1g4793
tarik_tv4694
Grubby2449
mouzStarbuck303
Liquid`Hasu297
XaKoH 243
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2078
StarCraft 2
angryscii 29
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• printf 85
• StrangeGG 38
• musti20045 26
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Pr0nogo 7
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos5121
Other Games
• imaqtpie614
• Shiphtur274
• tFFMrPink 8
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
11h 11m
WardiTV Invitational
13h 11m
IPSL
18h 11m
Art_Of_Turtle vs KameZerg
Radley vs George
BSL
21h 11m
Artosis vs Dewalt
Ret vs Tech
SOOP
1d 11h
soO vs FanTaSy
WardiTV Weekly
1d 13h
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
PiGosaur Cup
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
GSL
4 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
5 days
KCM Race Survival
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
BSL
6 days
eOnzErG vs StRyKeR
Cross vs JDConan
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-11-12
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
Individual League
BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
Calamity Cup Div. A Season 8
Underdog Cup 2026 Div 2-3
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026

Upcoming

YSL S4
Sector 591
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
StarCraft2 Weekly Open Tournament 2026 Grand Finals
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
IEM Kraków 2027
PGL Bucharest 2027
BLAST Bounty Winter 2027
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.