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sc19980331
Profile Joined March 2017
China1609 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-30 10:24:43
May 30 2018 03:51 GMT
#1
http://m.afreecatv.com/cjfals28/detail/0/33827570

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Soulkey Larva Miso
Best Snow Movie

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PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
May 30 2018 06:23 GMT
#2
I feel like Zerg is going to win this
The heart's eternal vow
FirstProbe
Profile Joined June 2004
1206 Posts
May 30 2018 11:54 GMT
#3
Snow's first two games have been excellent. It's clear he's in good form; his control and overall game management has been exceptional. Proleague quality.
BlueStar
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Bulgaria1166 Posts
May 30 2018 12:38 GMT
#4
On May 30 2018 20:54 FirstProbe wrote:
Snow's first two games have been excellent. It's clear he's in good form; his control and overall game management has been exceptional. Proleague quality.


you mean 'almost champion' quality?
all of them play on proleague level, they are pros

Snow is a monster rn!!
Leader of the Bulgarian National SCBW/SC2 team and team pSi.SCBW/SC2
BlueStar
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Bulgaria1166 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-30 13:12:28
May 30 2018 13:03 GMT
#5
Anyone knows who is the last zerg standing?

edit: the first playing non-smurf >_> soulkey
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FirstProbe
Profile Joined June 2004
1206 Posts
May 30 2018 13:39 GMT
#6
On May 30 2018 21:38 BlueStar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2018 20:54 FirstProbe wrote:
Snow's first two games have been excellent. It's clear he's in good form; his control and overall game management has been exceptional. Proleague quality.


you mean 'almost champion' quality?
all of them play on proleague level, they are pros

Snow is a monster rn!!



If you saw Action's game today, I'm not sure you'd call him a pro

There's no doubt that BW is in a more amateur state than before, and its nice to see a return to crispness of that previously.
Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
May 30 2018 14:25 GMT
#7
On May 30 2018 22:39 FirstProbe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2018 21:38 BlueStar wrote:
On May 30 2018 20:54 FirstProbe wrote:
Snow's first two games have been excellent. It's clear he's in good form; his control and overall game management has been exceptional. Proleague quality.


you mean 'almost champion' quality?
all of them play on proleague level, they are pros

Snow is a monster rn!!



If you saw Action's game today, I'm not sure you'd call him a pro

There's no doubt that BW is in a more amateur state than before, and its nice to see a return to crispness of that previously.

haha the pros have all said their skill is at an all time high.
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9505 Posts
May 30 2018 15:26 GMT
#8
Yeah, I have no idea where this myth of current scene being of lower skill than it was during KeSPA days comes from. Anyone who watched any amount of BW during both of these times can easily see that the skill of current top players is considerably higher than it was (hint: Action is not one of those players).

Only argument that you could make is that there is now a smaller percentage of pros who are at that level than it used to be during KeSPA days, and that there's a possibility that it if the KeSPA scene continued, the current pros would be at an even higher level than they are now. Both of these sound very likely to me, but not something that we should be concerning ourselves with.
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Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-30 17:00:04
May 30 2018 16:44 GMT
#9
On May 30 2018 23:25 Alpha-NP- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2018 22:39 FirstProbe wrote:
On May 30 2018 21:38 BlueStar wrote:
On May 30 2018 20:54 FirstProbe wrote:
Snow's first two games have been excellent. It's clear he's in good form; his control and overall game management has been exceptional. Proleague quality.


you mean 'almost champion' quality?
all of them play on proleague level, they are pros

Snow is a monster rn!!



If you saw Action's game today, I'm not sure you'd call him a pro

There's no doubt that BW is in a more amateur state than before, and its nice to see a return to crispness of that previously.

haha the pros have all said their skill is at an all time high.


Not true.

Especially in terms of mechanical prowess that is more dependent on hardcore practice, I have heard multiple streamers such as Bisu, and BeSt mention that their mechanical ability was superior back in the past.

PianO once commented on the issue the most aptly in my personal opinion:

"It is true that the meta-game has advanced compared to the past. However, let's imagine that we take the two best players from each of the three races right now, and make them play a hundred matches versus the very best players of the past. Who do you think will win? I personally think that the streamers of today will have the upper hand initially (the first ten games or so), but after that, the KeSPA professionals will have time to adjust to the meta-game advancements, and they will pull ahead. The meta-game advancements alone won't be enough to make up for the huge difference in terms of practice hours."
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FirstProbe
Profile Joined June 2004
1206 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-31 00:04:08
May 31 2018 00:02 GMT
#10
I'm with you Letmelose.

There's a crispness of play that only comes with arduous training and that intensity constant competition brings. There's no doubt to me that Snow has played better in the past week than he has during the ASL off season, and its not simply because of the occasion. I doubt his core skills were ever as honed as they were during KeSPA, and that quality of play is what I observed in Snow's game versus Larva- the antithesis of some of the sloppy stuff that you might've seen from him in February.
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