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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6596 Posts
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
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Greg_J
China4409 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On March 13 2018 20:58 Arvendilin wrote: effort has to cheese to win, got too intimidated after game 1 haha probably though I blame Horang2 for not sending another probe to try and scout around. It's not like 3 hatch hydra isn't a popular enough build. | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
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feckless
1099 Posts
On March 13 2018 20:58 Arvendilin wrote: effort has to cheese to win, got too intimidated after game 1 Plenty of good and great and legendary players cheesed to win. So what? It's part of the game. | ||
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ortseam
996 Posts
You are right, he can't hydra bust on island map | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
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Arvendilin
Germany1878 Posts
On March 13 2018 20:58 BigFan wrote: haha probably though I blame Horang2 for not sending another probe to try and scout around. It's not like 3 hatch hydra isn't a popular enough build. Oh totally misplayed by horang2, I just wanted to work a bit against the Island map hate that horang2 has been negatively affected by :D | ||
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Wonk
546 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On March 13 2018 21:01 Arvendilin wrote: Oh totally misplayed by horang2, I just wanted to work a bit against the Island map hate that horang2 has been negatively affected by :D well, there was enough complaints about island maps. I figured horang2 has a chance if he played PvP only so seeing his play really well on Sparkle was great. As for probe, ya, I think a lot of pros should do it against zerg but, what do I know? | ||
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tanngard
Norway1325 Posts
On March 13 2018 20:58 BigFan wrote: haha probably though I blame Horang2 for not sending another probe to try and scout around. It's not like 3 hatch hydra isn't a popular enough build. Horang2 deserved to die. If you dont at least try and scout with a second probe there is no excuse. I mean this is happening ALL the time, and yet they want that second probe mining minerals instead. It seem like we in the comments are complainting about the lack of the second probe every time lol. Are we missing something or what? What does your economy matter if you are going to get hydra busted and killed like 75% of the time? I understand taking the risk sometimes, but if you do it too much zergs are just gonna blindly bust your front with hydras. But what do we know? Its probably harder said than done. I remember there was an online league not a long time ago where Best vs Soulkey was in the semifinals. Best stomped soulkey in the first two games. Then soulkey figured he could not beat him in a straight up game and decided to mindgame and cheese to win the next three. Deny the scout and you can do anything. Thats how that goes! The reason we dont see that much of it in sponmatches i believe is because the audience would grow tired and stop donating balloons. I fear ZvP is broken. Its been the same thing the last three or so ASLs. You can hear the confusion in tastosis voices all the time. They dont recognize this matchup anymore. All they see is a wave of ling runbys and hydra busts killing the games before they really have started. | ||
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Shana
Indonesia1814 Posts
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SCC-Faust
United States3736 Posts
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WGT-Baal
France3380 Posts
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Miragee
8509 Posts
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EsportsJohn
United States4883 Posts
On March 13 2018 21:27 tanngard wrote: Horang2 deserved to die. If you dont at least try and scout with a second probe there is no excuse. I mean this is happening ALL the time, and yet they want that second probe mining minerals instead. It seem like we in the comments are complainting about the lack of the second probe every time lol. Are we missing something or what? What does your economy matter if you are going to get hydra busted and killed like 75% of the time? I understand taking the risk sometimes, but if you do it too much zergs are just gonna blindly bust your front with hydras. But what do we know? Its probably harder said than done. I remember there was an online league not a long time ago where Best vs Soulkey was in the semifinals. Best stomped soulkey in the first two games. Then soulkey figured he could not beat him in a straight up game and decided to mindgame and cheese to win the next three. Deny the scout and you can do anything. Thats how that goes! The reason we dont see that much of it in sponmatches i believe is because the audience would grow tired and stop donating balloons. I fear ZvP is broken. Its been the same thing the last three or so ASLs. You can hear the confusion in tastosis voices all the time. They dont recognize this matchup anymore. All they see is a wave of ling runbys and hydra busts killing the games before they really have started. effOrt did a really tricky variation on the 3-hatch hydra bust. He intentionally showed the lair and then cancelled it and built the hydra den as soon as the probe left the base. All signs pointed to a fairly normal macro game, and the hydra bust was even delayed by approximately 20s. | ||
TaardadAiel
Bulgaria750 Posts
On March 14 2018 04:21 EsportsJohn wrote: effOrt did a really tricky variation on the 3-hatch hydra bust. He intentionally showed the lair and then cancelled it and built the hydra den as soon as the probe left the base. All signs pointed to a fairly normal macro game, and the hydra bust was even delayed by approximately 20s. This. I thought the lair cancellation was pretty awesome. Was it an improvisation based on him driving the probe away earlier than expected or was this his plan all along? Any pointers to either? | ||
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tanngard
Norway1325 Posts
On March 14 2018 04:21 EsportsJohn wrote: effOrt did a really tricky variation on the 3-hatch hydra bust. He intentionally showed the lair and then cancelled it and built the hydra den as soon as the probe left the base. All signs pointed to a fairly normal macro game, and the hydra bust was even delayed by approximately 20s. Yes, but is that really that tricky? I dont think that these kinds of mindgames is difficult for players of this caliber. The way i see it protoss should never really infer anything about what zerg is doing. They need hard evidence, because zergs know that protoss is going to skip building more cannons unless they know for a fact that hydras is coming. As longs as you deny scouting you can hydra bust almost everytime. They even have an overlord sitting nicely above the protoss expansion monitoring everything he is doing. | ||
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RogerChillingworth
2888 Posts
edit: i guess it's VLC or bust | ||
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