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Fazers

737 Posts

December 02 2017 05:04 GMT

#81

Team name is undecided but it's looking like:

- Fazers

- LuMiX

- EvilEye

- dM-White

- Cadenzie

- L_Master

dM-White

Chile345 Posts

December 02 2017 06:15 GMT

#82

On December 02 2017 14:04 Fazers wrote:
Team name is undecided but it's looking like:

- Fazers

- LuMiX

- EvilEye

- dM-White

- Cadenzie

- L_Master

ok, add me, White#11304

Dazed.

Canada3301 Posts

December 02 2017 06:37 GMT

#83

I'd like to sign up if any team would have me. 1900 as a zerg, but I'd like to play as a terran, and im only like 1600-1700 for terran.

Radivel-X17

Canada144 Posts

December 02 2017 06:58 GMT

#84

On December 02 2017 15:37 Dazed. wrote:
I'd like to sign up if any team would have me. 1900 as a zerg, but I'd like to play as a terran, and im only like 1600-1700 for terran.

You should obviously form a 2v2 team with Fazers.

Chrh

United States13 Posts

December 02 2017 10:19 GMT

#85

[red]lumix is literally 20-0 2150 on ladder

SCC-Faust

United States3736 Posts

December 02 2017 11:02 GMT

#86

Captain's Log, Stardate: December 2nd, 2017.

[inhales] Life is so difficult.

FUCK YOU LUMIX - I told LuMiX I was thinking about his entry to the league because he is certainly a strong player and he forms a team anyways. Now that I have said no to people, I have to respect them by treating everyone in an equal manner and be prepared to say no when using my best judgment. He gave me starlog's that are definitely aligned with my views of someone who can enter the league, but MMR is not the only metric I'm using when allowing people in (He rests at 2037 with a 55% winrate over 250 games on one account and 1971 with a 58% winrate over 120 games). I will allow LuMiX in along with his team in, but you guys will be (temporarily) dubbed team GIR. + Show Spoiler +
FORMAT IS ALMOST DECIDED - Had a lengthy discussion with people in the RTL discord and a lot of good ideas came up. Seriosity and Radivel gave me a bunch of really good suggestions and the format is going to be altered a bit from its current form. Ace match is being removed, a 1v1 set is going to be added (for a total of 3 1v1s), and we will be setting the league up in a swiss-system for two reasons:
- It better aligns with an 8 week league where it is possible not all teams may play against one another.
- It meets my views on how a league that has a skill ceiling cut-off should be played (teams with equal skill will be put against each other each week according to records)
LEAGUE RULES FINALIZED TOMORROW - Polls will be closed and the OP will be drastically changed tomorrow so I advise everyone check it out to familiarize themselves with the league rules. These will be set in stone.

On December 02 2017 19:19 Chrh wrote:
[red]lumix is literally 20-0 2150 on ladder

+ Show Spoiler +

Already taken into consideration. He gave me 4 accounts that I looked into:

https://starlog.gg/en/profile/us-east/[ReD]LuMiX - The account you're mentioning
https://starlog.gg/en/profile/us-west/[ReD]LuMiX
https://starlog.gg/en/profile/us-east/LuMiX?v=ladder_stats
https://starlog.gg/en/profile/us-west/G.U.N.D.A.M

He is someone I didn't immediately say yes to, but this is my thought process from the decision I have made -

His highest MMR accounts with strong winrates were played at an earlier time in SC:R ladder, which was pretty much inarguably easier to hit higher MMRs for foreigners because of a larger population of foreign players (I personally peaked around 2400 in September with a strong winrate, and now I'm struggling to hold 2300)
As stated above, his current accounts are at: 2037 with a 55% winrate over 250 games on one account and 1971 with a 58% winrate over 120 games. I think these should hold more weight than an account that he hasn't laddered on in months.
LuMiX, iopq, and CadenZie are definitely the frontrunners of the tournament in skill level and people I all have taken into heavy consideration. One of the ways in how I decide if a player may enter is I took a list of my perceived strongest players who entered RTL 1, and compare the entrants to those players (Lumire, Demurity, Splax, sero, etc) and I feel like so far nobody who has entered can maintain decent win records vs these players.

Also out of respect for the players, if there is a problem with how people feel about someone who has been allowed entrance, please PM me and we can talk about it. I promise I am trying my best to be fair to everyone who is entering.

Qikz

United Kingdom12071 Posts

December 02 2017 11:30 GMT

#87

On December 02 2017 14:04 Fazers wrote:
Team name is undecided but it's looking like:

- Fazers

- LuMiX

- EvilEye

- dM-White

- Cadenzie

- L_Master

Honestly I think if this is a team it's going to be very hard for any other team to ever beat them.

You have arguably 4 of the best possible players in the league in this one team o_o

Hirmu

Finland850 Posts

December 02 2017 14:32 GMT

#88

Qikz with our powers combined we can do it!

Qikz

United Kingdom12071 Posts

December 02 2017 14:46 GMT

#89

On December 02 2017 23:32 Hirmu wrote:
Qikz with our powers combined we can do it!

Well it took me about 40 games to beat Cadenzie once so maybe if I play 39 games with her before our league match I can snipe her!

CadenZie

Korea (South)545 Posts

December 02 2017 15:11 GMT

#90

or maybe if you just dont do valkonic one game :D

Hirmu

Finland850 Posts

December 02 2017 15:15 GMT

#91

I like Cadenzas idea

SCC-Faustina

3 Posts

December 02 2017 15:30 GMT

#92

On December 02 2017 20:30 Qikz wrote:

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Honestly I think if this is a team it's going to be very hard for any other team to ever beat them.

You have arguably 4 of the best possible players in the league in this one team o_o

Hello, Faustina here! *curtsy*

Although I was not given the starlog.gg page for most people in seriOsity's team, I am familiar with a lot of them from CPL and their general skill level. With all the starlog's I have been given for LuMiX's team, the players averaged at:

1891 Current MMR (Average of 132 games per account)
The criteria used was up to two starlog profiles used for each player with the most recent games. Some of these were sent to me in private, but I can assure you the players themselves can attest that is would be an accurate number. Everyone who currently has their name on the second post of this topic is in the league, and there will be no decisions to remove or split players up. I promise I take everyone who enters into consideration seriously, and Lumix/Demurity are two players who I spent more than a day thinking about. I don't want any player or team to feel bad for entering though, so I ask if anyone has serious problems or inquiries about who I have let in and who I have not, to PM me or SCC-Faust. To expand on my philosophy, read below!

RTL1 and RTL2 have the same philosophy, and they are, in order of importance:

Enjoyment - Above all, this league is intended to be for fun. Being able to pick your teams and play with your friends is something I value highly for this league. It was something well received in the first RTL, and playing among familiar faces (especially in a league with two sets of team games) is more motivating and less frustrating. Although you can argue that going against stronger teams will take away enjoyment for some players, it is something ultimately unpreventable. However, I do have things in place that will vastly improve skill discrepancies than the original RTL1 had such as:
- Disallowing stronger players from entering with an off-race.
- A better suited format (swiss-style) where teams with equal or similar records will face off each week.
- A more accurate vetting system than last season to gauge entrant skill levels.
- And more!
Ease of Use and Simplification - This is something I have tried my best in RTL1, and something I will be continuing to do in RTL2 with what I've learned from my experiences. No line-ups required, no complex rules to follow, and no extreme coordination needed from teams. A lot of mistakes were made in the beginning of the original RTL, but I quickly learned what helps a league become successful: being simple. Teams are able to have the players they want, in the amount they want, and can show up with whoever has the opportunity to do so on play day. I will also personally intervene and help set up teams with open players rather than throw them out if they cannot find a team before the cut-off date (to be announced tomorrow) and give them the personal information of their teammates. Also, teams that break apart or do not show for the first week or two will be replaced. I will do my best to ensure that I am not putting too much responsibility on teams and team leaders, and when a team does not meet halfway, I, as a tournament organizer, will go the extra mile.
Putting a Skill Ceiling - Although this is third on my list, I still regard it as important. It is always going to be a highly debated topic and it is simply impossible to do this without someone having a disagreement with the players who have been accepted and entered into the league. Everyone will have different perceptions of players' skill levels, even me, as the person making the decisions in who can enter and who cannot. There is no perfect way to do this, but I am using my best ability to allow players in the league who fit my personal criteria (which I aligned in the OP) with three methods:
- MMR - Although, as many have said, this is not a great judge of skill level, it is the best we have when I can compare hard numbers between players. I am aware some players do not ladder as much as others, and some perform better on ladder. Unfortunately, this is what we have, and this is the main driving force between my decisions.
- General Opinion - I have talked to and asked how people would rank players that enter this league among other entrants and this is also something I highly value. In some cases, I put this above MMR.
- My Opinion - Finally, from players I have personally witnessed in other leagues (RTL1, CPL, DRIT, CFC, TLOpen) as well as players I regard as friends and am familiar with their skill, I use this as a metric as well.