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On October 31 2017 13:29 Lazare1969 wrote:Here is the sense I got from Bisu when he plays PvT against Flash. He plays super carefully, does all the "right things" and tries to take it to a longer macro game, hoping that he can win with a soft counter to the eventual Terran push. Then when Flash proceeds to obliterate all his goons and cut off his expansions causing Bisu to tap out with a "gg", we all figuratively pat him on the back telling him that he's done well and that his PvT is great, but Flash is just God and no one defeats God. With Jangbi, I see that he puts everything into a seemingly coin-flippy mid-game timing attack, whether it's dark templar cheese, zealot-drop goon all-in, or a reaver-focused build (a unit which he's masterful at controlling). If he's on a map with poor mobility for the Terran, he goes carriers and kites the shit out of the mech army. Maybe I'm reading too much into past OSL/Proleague performances, but if Bisu hasn't learned to do a more aggressive PvT style and figured out how carriers and reavers work, I'm not confident in his chances of winning this match. Do you get the same sense?
I agree. I think a Samsung Toss would have a better chance than Bisu.
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On October 31 2017 13:13 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2017 12:31 _Animus_ wrote:On October 31 2017 10:49 mIsUZu wrote:On October 31 2017 08:37 _Animus_ wrote:No. Jangbi gets into his opponents mind and controls from there with a clear route for the win, he was the player who managed to confuse Flash. Bisu style differs much, he is trying to be everywhere and get his opponent have hard time concentrating on that many things and drag him into chaos. Unfortunately this had its time in the past, now with the players developed and the meta itself plus bisu not sharp as he was younger i dont see him doing much. I predict Bisu doing cheesy fails making at least 2 protoss comedy games. I dont think he have anything in the bag to surprise a good terran, he need creativity as its with all protoss players nowdays. Still if he manages to somehow win the series il be happy with that for sure. Quite possibly the most retarded thing I've read in a while. No. Jangbi gets into his opponents mind and controls from there with a clear route for the win, he was the player who managed to confuse Flash. Bisu style differs much, he is trying to be everywhere and get his opponent have hard time concentrating on that many things and drag him into chaos. While I agree Jangbi is another great protoss player, he is no where near Bisu in terms of career, consistency, achievement and skill wise. There were times when Jangbi beat Bisu in games but to say Bisu's pvt is not that level is just plain retarded. Unfortunately this had its time in the past, now with the players developed and the meta itself plus bisu not sharp as he was younger i dont see him doing much. Bisu's style still works because nobody can multitask better than him, not even Flash. While Flash is probably the superior sc player overall, when compared with just multitasking, I don't think there is anyone in the world that can best Bisu and this is why he got to semi finals and consistently do well in any tournaments. Meta? Just what meta are you talking about? Sure Bisu's old fast expo has been out grown but he has also gotten better and has proven that he can adapt to the current SC games. Bisu being not as shart in his prime is just same with everybody else and this is mainly due to lack of Pro-league where they had a sponsored teams practising 8~10 hours of solid sc games daily. I also don't think Bisu will win against Flash but your comment was so retarded and had 0 substance to back up any of your claims that I had to log in to this historic account and post a comment. You are Jealous and logged from different account? That basically the same post written with different words. I see you/Jealous dont understand what im talking about, well and it doesnt need to. If u dont know how meta changed and that many protoss builds dont work anymore, then its just you being ignorant. While i compare styles of play against Flash and PvT in general with some details that you are not aware of, as my personal opinion you jump to tell me how good Bisu is. Thanks for telling me that Bisu is more consistent and achieved than Jangbi is there anyone who dont know that? There is a substance you might not be aware of. One player best matchup is PvZ the other is PvT, Jangbi is considered as the best PvT-er. He won not only against Flash, but also against the Terran who destroyed Flash 3-0. Fantasy lost 1-3 to Jangbi in the grand finals after 3-0ing Flash, Fantasy had perfect record(no losses) before grand finals. Jangbi is the only Protoss who won two OSL's in a row, it was both pvt finals. We will never know if he was going to achieve more because of sc2 switch. Recently Bisu is in top shape so is Flash and we can have better future matches so i want Bisu to win, but my head tell me its highly unlikely. Now get your substance together and try to understand what you are arguing about before start to call people with names, because doing that can make you look bad. --- You: Talking about JangBi playing 5 years ago. Also said that Bisu has no chance, and will only do "cheesy fails" and "2 protoss comedy games." Me: Talking about Bisu who played Flash 3-4 in sponmatches, this month. --- You: Talking some drivel about PvT builds with 0 explanation, VODs, or references. Mention "meta" but still have yet to explain a single thing about what you meant by "meta" and why it is going badly for Protoss and what exactly has changed. Me: Wtf? --- You: Bisu is not very sharp right now. Also you: Recently Bisu is in top shape. Me: Wtf? --- Other poster shows up, misUZu: Wtf? You: Same drivel as before. Me: Wtf?
You are thinking and acting like a kid.
Also your trolling is unmatched.
1. You: Dont see i started this by responding to a poster before me, talking about Jangbi and Bisu pvt.
Me: Is this guy alright?
Bisu did comedy games against mind in 2 series in previous tournaments, using comedy word because he did 3 consecutive build fails in one game, he was probably just sticking to his plan which didnt work from the first part onward but was comical to continue with fails like on purpose.
2. its naive to consider streaming results as a big impact on offline performance, i would understand that if it was a clearly better play from Bisu in that number of games. Flash is unshakable in offline tournament.
3. You dont know the difference of performance between kespa era and now? You are confused to understand Bisu is not good as kespa days and hes in top shape post kespa? Pls no.
4. Drivel? All of your posts are pointless agressive drivel, you are repeating one thing in every post like a child who want his toy.
Even if i get into details, you have nothing meaningful to say, just troll, so you make talking to you pointless.
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im so hyped for this match, took day of work just cause of it :D
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idk if its the hype or because I just woke up from a 2 hour nap, but I can literally feel the ventricles and atriums of my heart right now as it beats. and ngl, it's pretty damn cool. I'm gonna say it's the hype. GOGOGO FLASH! LEE YOUNG HO HWAITING!
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Great hype and some fan bickering in the background - the perfect atmosphere.
And may the better Flash win! 
On October 31 2017 18:22 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2017 18:14 figq wrote:
Awesomest community as always, thank you! It works for me with Chrome. There's a fraction of a second it takes to load at first, so it's better not to look immediately after reload. also the small vod thread is still your friend
Checked, thanks! Why do they still call it "small"? Tradition?
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Few minutes to go, guys!! But hang on, my bowels are moving from all the excitement so I gotta poop in the meantime.
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Pretty much the final of ASL4 now. Let's see who is gonna take this season :D
Gogogo Bisu!!! Normally I am a fan of FlaSh, but there must be competition in SC, so we need another champion :D
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I'm in the library studying. But I can't focus waiting for the game to start! Save me guys....
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1 week ban if bisu loses.
Who is betting vs me?
Let's go.
FIGHT ME BRO YOU SCARED?
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HYPUUUUUU!!!!
hope for a flash win, and also exciting 5 games
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On October 31 2017 18:56 weiliem wrote:
I'm in the library studying. But I can't focus waiting for the game to start! Save me guys....
don't half ass studying. just watch the games, you'll feel a lot better about it and you'll end up focusing better after.
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On October 31 2017 18:57 -Kyo- wrote:
1 week ban if bisu loses.
Who is betting vs me?
Let's go.
FIGHT ME BRO YOU SCARED?
I would take the bet but im staff so it's kinda impossible for me to get banned or i would totally do it lol. wanna bet TL+?
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On October 31 2017 13:29 Lazare1969 wrote:Here is the sense I got from Bisu when he plays PvT against Flash. He plays super carefully, does all the "right things" and tries to take it to a longer macro game, hoping that he can win with a soft counter to the eventual Terran push. Then when Flash proceeds to obliterate all his goons and cut off his expansions causing Bisu to tap out with a "gg", we all figuratively pat him on the back telling him that he's done well and that his PvT is great, but Flash is just God and no one defeats God. With Jangbi, I see that he puts everything into a seemingly coin-flippy mid-game timing attack, whether it's dark templar cheese, zealot-drop goon all-in, or a reaver-focused build (a unit which he's masterful at controlling). If he's on a map with poor mobility for the Terran, he goes carriers and kites the shit out of the mech army. Maybe I'm reading too much into past OSL/Proleague performances, but if Bisu hasn't learned to do a more aggressive PvT style and figured out how carriers and reavers work, I'm not confident in his chances of winning this match. Do you get the same sense?
Exactly, Jangbi is a master of agression and can really well get into mind of Flash and play from there.
One of their games Jangbi goes to his 3rd base with goons and probe and killed Flash scout there, Flash thought its a 3rd base so he expanded as well resulting in a 2 base protoss mid game push that destroyed him.
There is also something, no one can execute agression vs terran the way jangbi can, he is just masterclass specialist in that area.
Bisu practice on stream was just what you said and thats the reason i didnt see a chance for him really.
Lets see if he brings something new to the table to make things intresting.
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On October 31 2017 19:00 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2017 18:57 -Kyo- wrote:
1 week ban if bisu loses.
Who is betting vs me?
Let's go.
FIGHT ME BRO YOU SCARED? I would take the bet but im staff so it's kinda impossible for me to get banned or i would totally do it lol. wanna bet TL+?
I mean, if you're okay with throwing away all your pride and becoming my slave and losing $3.95.
OF COURSE LETS GO BROOOOOOOOO
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No Tastosis for this? Come on.
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On October 31 2017 19:01 -Kyo- wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2017 19:00 FlaShFTW wrote:On October 31 2017 18:57 -Kyo- wrote:
1 week ban if bisu loses.
Who is betting vs me?
Let's go.
FIGHT ME BRO YOU SCARED? I would take the bet but im staff so it's kinda impossible for me to get banned or i would totally do it lol. wanna bet TL+? I mean, if you're okay with throwing away all your pride and becoming my slave and losing $3.95. OF COURSE LETS GO BROOOOOOOOO
this is the freest bet of my life. only 2nd most free to bisu LOL
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Had to set my alarm for this :OOOOOOOOOOO
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On October 31 2017 19:02 Valikyr wrote:
No Tastosis for this? Come on.
in anaheim for blizzcon
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