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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51684 Posts
September 24 2017 14:01 GMT
#301
On September 24 2017 21:37 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Pretty incredible that an Ro16 group thread for ASL gets more posts than an SSL finals thread for SC2.


probably because
a) no twitch chat to spam in
b) older users in here more used to LR threads
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_Animus_
Profile Joined February 2011
Bulgaria1064 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-24 14:30:03
September 24 2017 14:05 GMT
#302
Killer really played his game against flash all wrong. First instead of keeping flash on 2 bases by denying the third cc while it was undefended and building he fought against turrets and marines at back expo dealing 0 damage to Flash economy while give flash a free 3rd base. Then his second move with guardians shouldve been at the back expo since guardians are unreachable from marine fire, he preferred to suicide guardians into marines at the natural. Thats playing the game with a loser mindset.
Watching other games and have the feeling of low level play, so far from kespa play, im skiping forward in games. The ro 16 format is really shitty btw.I dont know why they dont keep the OSL ro16 format - play 1 game per group for each day, leaving players prepare about every single match with greater games for the fans. This single day elimination gives huge advantage to flash and other experienced players, which make things even worse for newer players and underdogs killing the competition. Although even if OSL format was the case underdogs still have very little chance from ro8 onward, because there are no teams and coaches to prepare them with builds and strats for a Bo series. Untill we meet a new progamer era with teamhouses, as the age of players increase, games will probably continue to drop in quality and we will be seeing the same players dominating over and over again.
Luv ya BroodWar!
duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
September 24 2017 15:15 GMT
#303
On September 24 2017 21:29 RKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2017 21:24 TaardadAiel wrote:
Somebody said something about Baxter advancing far because of the way he got in the ASL, like Denmark in Euro '92.

Buddy, every one of us owes you a drink now. And I don't even want to think about the brackets.


Show nested quote +
On September 10 2017 14:46 RKC wrote:
Killer will go far into ASL. That's how the forces of narrative work. That's how Denmark won Euro 1992.




Killer was the best player in the scene before he went to the army. It's not like he is a no name.
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)STYLE START SBENU( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4526 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-24 15:31:59
September 24 2017 15:29 GMT
#304
On September 24 2017 23:05 _Animus_ wrote:
Killer really played his game against flash all wrong. First instead of keeping flash on 2 bases by denying the third cc while it was undefended and building he fought against turrets and marines at back expo dealing 0 damage to Flash economy while give flash a free 3rd base. Then his second move with guardians shouldve been at the back expo since guardians are unreachable from marine fire, he preferred to suicide guardians into marines at the natural. Thats playing the game with a loser mindset.
Watching other games and have the feeling of low level play, so far from kespa play, im skiping forward in games. The ro 16 format is really shitty btw.I dont know why they dont keep the OSL ro16 format - play 1 game per group for each day, leaving players prepare about every single match with greater games for the fans. This single day elimination gives huge advantage to flash and other experienced players, which make things even worse for newer players and underdogs killing the competition. Although even if OSL format was the case underdogs still have very little chance from ro8 onward, because there are no teams and coaches to prepare them with builds and strats for a Bo series. Untill we meet a new progamer era with teamhouses, as the age of players increase, games will probably continue to drop in quality and we will be seeing the same players dominating over and over again.


your vision must be clouded by nostalgia, because there were tons of bad quality games during kespa era.

perhaps you only remember the very best games, finals, or great series, and forgot all the really silly bo1 proleague wins/losses that we had much more of, during kespa times.

the initial muta harass on the 2nd gas was great, it was a weak spot, and it prevented gas income. this 'free 3rd base you speak of', given the map layout both guys get a free 3rd base, I don't remember exactly how many units flash had, but, given he had 5 barracks producing marines, and at least 6-8 marines at home, no way anything couldve been done about this 'free 3rd base'.

The guardian decision I'll side with you on, it would have been more effective at the back.

However since flash was out on the map dominating killer's ground forces at the front, doing the guardians at the back wouldve denied mining on that base for a while - sure. But having the guardians at the front may have forced bad engagements from flash and given the position of killer in the game, maybe he was hoping he could make something happen by putting pressure on flash and forcing some bad decisions, and taking away the game from him. He was just a bit unlucky that flash pretty much had the exact number of marines needed to stop that attack completly in it's tracks.

Using the guardians at the back base would have only slowed flash down a little, and therefor would obviously be more effective than losing the guardians to vessel/marines, but definitely wouldn't have done anything towards a killer victory.
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lastride
Profile Joined April 2014
2390 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-24 15:37:06
September 24 2017 15:35 GMT
#305
Flash! Where can I watch the korean vods besides afreeca, which lags terribly
MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-24 16:07:31
September 24 2017 16:02 GMT
#306
wow baxter played freaking incredible this group and he was the 1st player that got picked into any group, by flash. very well done

On September 24 2017 21:25 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2017 21:24 reincremate wrote:
On September 24 2017 21:22 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
is this devourer thing normal now

it doesnt seem that useful. as far as i can tell the 2 devourers did absolutely nothing v flash, and killed a rax v sharp

is there some hidden genius that i'm missing


Yeah, it seems scourge make devourers kind of redundant. Still entertaining to see rare units come out though.

If you get scourge though terran can snipe them/dodge them with wraiths which you can't do as easily vs devourers. Or at least thats how I see it.

yes this is correct. you can poke with 1 wraith and bait scourge into the marines if zerg looks away for a moment. or you get a couple of wraiths and micro them like mutas to kill the scourge before they connect.
each devourer is 50 gas i believe and scourge is 75 gas and a larva
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VioleTAK
Profile Joined July 2006
4409 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-24 16:22:26
September 24 2017 16:07 GMT
#307
He survived a very tough group, under Flash's shadow... And he did it while using Guardians and Devourers. Anyone that takes a step out of the same'ol'same, on stage no less, is awesome in my book! And when he made it, he showed just how much it meant to him.. becoming very emotional. He was also very humble in the post-victory interview, and said that he didn't expect to get out of the group, and now that he have - his new gial is semi-finals. I'm happy for him and I'm expecting good matches on his Ro8 if he faces a Terran/Protoss.
Every fan of Starcraft is a fan of Lim Yo Hwan by association
Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
September 24 2017 16:08 GMT
#308
Yeah Baxter played impressively. And he looks like a really cool dude also. I'm definitely a fan and I'm gonna start rooting for him.
RealityIsKing
Profile Joined August 2016
613 Posts
September 24 2017 16:47 GMT
#309
I really like Killer's constant patrolling with Zerglings and Scourges to prevent drops.

You see how Larva would get map control advantage on his streams and then fall apart due to Dropship plays.

This reminds me of Jaedong vs Baby/Ty back in the days when JD would be everywhere with Scourges to intercept drops.
usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-24 16:52:17
September 24 2017 16:51 GMT
#310
[image loading]

Game 3: Sieging tanks is for mortals.

usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-24 16:55:10
September 24 2017 16:55 GMT
#311
On September 25 2017 00:35 lastride wrote:
Flash! Where can I watch the korean vods besides afreeca, which lags terribly


Here is Britney and Leta casting.







Burned Toast *
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada2040 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-24 18:01:12
September 24 2017 18:00 GMT
#312
VODs of today's games and group selection available in the Small VOD Thread.
TvT matchup is sometimes worse than jailtime
StarscreamG1
Profile Joined February 2011
Portugal1653 Posts
September 24 2017 18:20 GMT
#313
Baxter ! :O
EleanorRIgby
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada3923 Posts
September 24 2017 19:22 GMT
#314
really great matches, baxter coming out with some amazing strats. that early hydra den makes your third sooo much safer.
savior did nothing wrong
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21247 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-24 21:54:15
September 24 2017 21:53 GMT
#315
nvm.
TranslatorBaa!
RWLabs
Profile Joined March 2017
Korea (South)273 Posts
September 24 2017 22:07 GMT
#316
Baxter is following the spirit of Shine, it seems. Really turning the TvZ matchup on its head. Hope he goes far, as long as he doesn't eliminate any of my precious Protosses.
Aldaris was the good guy of Brood War.
chuDr3t4
Profile Joined April 2010
Russian Federation484 Posts
September 24 2017 22:45 GMT
#317
On September 24 2017 22:31 Amanebak wrote:
Who is Killer going to face in the Ro8? The winner of group B or is it randomized?

I am not sure how they do it, last ASLs were

ASL2
C1 D2 v B1 C2 vvv D1 A2 v A1 B2

ASL3
D1 B2 v C1 A2 vvv B1 C2 v A1 D2

I live in Russia. I wear the fufaika, valenoks and the shapka-ushanka with the red star. I drink vodka straight from the samovar, and my riding bear plays on the balalaika.
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6566 Posts
September 24 2017 22:47 GMT
#318
do yall generally like group play and bo1's in ro16 or would boX's be better? i'm partial to seeing more matches against the same opponent.
get rich or die mining
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Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
September 24 2017 22:56 GMT
#319
Just as i always suspected, flash and killer advanced.
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11502 Posts
September 24 2017 23:10 GMT
#320
On September 25 2017 03:00 Burned Toast wrote:
VODs of today's games and group selection available in the Small VOD Thread.

Thanks for your work yo!
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