On September 24 2017 21:37 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Pretty incredible that an Ro16 group thread for ASL gets more posts than an SSL finals thread for SC2.

probably because
a) no twitch chat to spam in
b) older users in here more used to LR threads

_Animus_

Bulgaria1064 Posts

September 24 2017 14:05 GMT

#302

Killer really played his game against flash all wrong. First instead of keeping flash on 2 bases by denying the third cc while it was undefended and building he fought against turrets and marines at back expo dealing 0 damage to Flash economy while give flash a free 3rd base. Then his second move with guardians shouldve been at the back expo since guardians are unreachable from marine fire, he preferred to suicide guardians into marines at the natural. Thats playing the game with a loser mindset.
Watching other games and have the feeling of low level play, so far from kespa play, im skiping forward in games. The ro 16 format is really shitty btw.I dont know why they dont keep the OSL ro16 format - play 1 game per group for each day, leaving players prepare about every single match with greater games for the fans. This single day elimination gives huge advantage to flash and other experienced players, which make things even worse for newer players and underdogs killing the competition. Although even if OSL format was the case underdogs still have very little chance from ro8 onward, because there are no teams and coaches to prepare them with builds and strats for a Bo series. Untill we meet a new progamer era with teamhouses, as the age of players increase, games will probably continue to drop in quality and we will be seeing the same players dominating over and over again.

duke91

Germany1458 Posts

September 24 2017 15:15 GMT

#303

On September 24 2017 21:29 RKC wrote:

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Killer was the best player in the scene before he went to the army. It's not like he is a no name.

Liquid`Ret

Netherlands4522 Posts

September 24 2017 15:29 GMT

#304

On September 24 2017 23:05 _Animus_ wrote:
Killer really played his game against flash all wrong. First instead of keeping flash on 2 bases by denying the third cc while it was undefended and building he fought against turrets and marines at back expo dealing 0 damage to Flash economy while give flash a free 3rd base. Then his second move with guardians shouldve been at the back expo since guardians are unreachable from marine fire, he preferred to suicide guardians into marines at the natural. Thats playing the game with a loser mindset.
Watching other games and have the feeling of low level play, so far from kespa play, im skiping forward in games. The ro 16 format is really shitty btw.I dont know why they dont keep the OSL ro16 format - play 1 game per group for each day, leaving players prepare about every single match with greater games for the fans. This single day elimination gives huge advantage to flash and other experienced players, which make things even worse for newer players and underdogs killing the competition. Although even if OSL format was the case underdogs still have very little chance from ro8 onward, because there are no teams and coaches to prepare them with builds and strats for a Bo series. Untill we meet a new progamer era with teamhouses, as the age of players increase, games will probably continue to drop in quality and we will be seeing the same players dominating over and over again.

your vision must be clouded by nostalgia, because there were tons of bad quality games during kespa era.

perhaps you only remember the very best games, finals, or great series, and forgot all the really silly bo1 proleague wins/losses that we had much more of, during kespa times.

the initial muta harass on the 2nd gas was great, it was a weak spot, and it prevented gas income. this 'free 3rd base you speak of', given the map layout both guys get a free 3rd base, I don't remember exactly how many units flash had, but, given he had 5 barracks producing marines, and at least 6-8 marines at home, no way anything couldve been done about this 'free 3rd base'.

The guardian decision I'll side with you on, it would have been more effective at the back.

However since flash was out on the map dominating killer's ground forces at the front, doing the guardians at the back wouldve denied mining on that base for a while - sure. But having the guardians at the front may have forced bad engagements from flash and given the position of killer in the game, maybe he was hoping he could make something happen by putting pressure on flash and forcing some bad decisions, and taking away the game from him. He was just a bit unlucky that flash pretty much had the exact number of marines needed to stop that attack completly in it's tracks.

Using the guardians at the back base would have only slowed flash down a little, and therefor would obviously be more effective than losing the guardians to vessel/marines, but definitely wouldn't have done anything towards a killer victory.

lastride

2390 Posts

September 24 2017 15:35 GMT

#305

Flash! Where can I watch the korean vods besides afreeca, which lags terribly

MorroW

Sweden3522 Posts

September 24 2017 16:02 GMT

#306

wow baxter played freaking incredible this group and he was the 1st player that got picked into any group, by flash. very well done

On September 24 2017 21:25 Ilikestarcraft wrote:

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If you get scourge though terran can snipe them/dodge them with wraiths which you can't do as easily vs devourers. Or at least thats how I see it.

yes this is correct. you can poke with 1 wraith and bait scourge into the marines if zerg looks away for a moment. or you get a couple of wraiths and micro them like mutas to kill the scourge before they connect.
each devourer is 50 gas i believe and scourge is 75 gas and a larva

VioleTAK

4406 Posts

September 24 2017 16:07 GMT

#307

He survived a very tough group, under Flash's shadow... And he did it while using Guardians and Devourers. Anyone that takes a step out of the same'ol'same, on stage no less, is awesome in my book! And when he made it, he showed just how much it meant to him.. becoming very emotional. He was also very humble in the post-victory interview, and said that he didn't expect to get out of the group, and now that he have - his new gial is semi-finals. I'm happy for him and I'm expecting good matches on his Ro8 if he faces a Terran/Protoss.

Alpha-NP-

United States1242 Posts

September 24 2017 16:08 GMT

#308

Yeah Baxter played impressively. And he looks like a really cool dude also. I'm definitely a fan and I'm gonna start rooting for him.

RealityIsKing

613 Posts

September 24 2017 16:47 GMT

#309

I really like Killer's constant patrolling with Zerglings and Scourges to prevent drops.

You see how Larva would get map control advantage on his streams and then fall apart due to Dropship plays.

This reminds me of Jaedong vs Baby/Ty back in the days when JD would be everywhere with Scourges to intercept drops.

usopsama

6502 Posts

September 24 2017 16:51 GMT

#310

Game 3: Sieging tanks is for mortals.

usopsama

6502 Posts

September 24 2017 16:55 GMT

#311

On September 25 2017 00:35 lastride wrote:
Flash! Where can I watch the korean vods besides afreeca, which lags terribly

Here is Britney and Leta casting.

Burned Toast

Canada2040 Posts

September 24 2017 18:00 GMT

#312

VODs of today's games and group selection available in the Small VOD Thread.

StarscreamG1

Portugal1653 Posts

September 24 2017 18:20 GMT

#313

Baxter ! :O

EleanorRIgby

Canada3923 Posts

September 24 2017 19:22 GMT

#314

really great matches, baxter coming out with some amazing strats. that early hydra den makes your third sooo much safer.

Carnivorous Sheep

Baa?21244 Posts

September 24 2017 21:53 GMT

#315

nvm.

RWLabs

Korea (South)273 Posts

September 24 2017 22:07 GMT

#316

Baxter is following the spirit of Shine, it seems. Really turning the TvZ matchup on its head. Hope he goes far, as long as he doesn't eliminate any of my precious Protosses.