[ASL4] Ro24 Group F

On September 19 2017 11:25 ortseam wrote:
Shuttle/hero probably, would like to see FBH advance if he has some ceremony prepared

On September 19 2017 11:29 outscar wrote:
Legend of the Fall hwaiting! Shuttle got this no matter what.



He's going to get naked and jump towards audience.

On September 19 2017 13:30 usopsama wrote:
This is the group of death.

On September 19 2017 14:16 THE Sliggy wrote:


Is FBH a legit talent or just a meme?

Asking out of genuine curiosity. I've been out of the scene for a minute.

On September 19 2017 19:05 BLinD-RawR wrote:


thats what I thought in late 2014 then in 2015 and 2016.

On September 19 2017 19:39 THE Sliggy wrote:
I love that observers can zoom out now.

On September 19 2017 19:49 FlaShFTW wrote:
and hero wins with 3 zerglings.

On September 19 2017 19:43 739 wrote:
The zoom out is especially effective in TvT games like Rush vs Mind, so you can see what's going on in different points of the map.

On September 19 2017 19:50 tanngard wrote:
How nervous is snow playing offline? He completely fell apart to 3 zerglings..

On September 19 2017 19:53 FlaShFTW wrote:

yeah i was about to say... snow literally made hero look like 2009-2010 jaedong lol.

Jaedong, Soulkey, Larva, Effort are all better zergs than hero right now. His ZvT is crap again, ZvZ is a coin flip, and his ZvP isn't even a sure win anymore against protoss.

On September 19 2017 19:54 TT1 wrote:


It's not that he fell apart to the lings, usually when z has 3 speedlings in ur main that early the games over. The problem was he looked unbelievably sloppy leading up to that point.

His first 3 zeals weren't micro'd well at all, his cannon was way too late and he didnt even block his front to deny the lings from running in. Add to that the fact that he an idle probe at the start of the game (when tastosis said the probe was spotting the ovi as a joke) and he lost like 3 workers (with 2 idle workers next to his nexus) to 1 slow ling.. wasn't pretty at all.

On September 19 2017 20:10 reminisce12 wrote:
dirty dirty protosses

On September 19 2017 20:14 PVJ wrote:

That's a good point.

By the way, has anyone compiled how many of the rankings did prove correct?

On September 19 2017 20:16 FlaShFTW wrote:

a lot of us overlooked his KCM matches. ever since ASL1 he hasnt really performed well in tournaments so to mock our PR after the fact is not a good way to make an argument. Maybe let us know this stuff when the PR comes out then look like a genius when it actually happens :D

On September 19 2017 20:32 neutralrobot wrote:
Man, this stream is dropping out way too much for me. Have to duck out. Nobody else having issues?

On September 19 2017 20:30 Morbidius wrote:
What is it about this map that brings out all the stupid builds??

On September 19 2017 20:33 Breach_hu wrote:
why would FBH try to hold it at the natural there, just give it up and expand with enough tanks...

On September 19 2017 20:38 FlaShFTW wrote:

because he thought it was just a scouting pylon. if he saw a probe near it he mightve tried to kill it, but how often do you see the pylon and have protoss go back and proxy 3 gates there?

On September 19 2017 20:50 Silentenigma wrote:
I hate 3 hatch hydra bust.So hard to stop, impossible to scout

On September 19 2017 20:53 traxamillion wrote:
Well that is why the made a map like gold rush so p can always scout. Toss can also leave a random probe on the map and bring it to the nat/3rd and check the composition after the zealots get pushed back.


The bust is stronger vs gate 1st than forge. I think forge 1st is a better open tbh

On September 19 2017 20:52 TT1 wrote:
initial probe has to stay in z's main, at the very least u need a probe out on the map to scout what theyre making out of their hatches

On September 19 2017 20:57 ortseam wrote:

You can't scout it with probe, zerg gets speed first against gate expand

On September 19 2017 20:57 ortseam wrote:

You can't scout it with probe, zerg gets speed first against gate expand

On September 19 2017 20:44 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:

if that was serious then im sorry,that was not one scout pylon,u see it very often with proxy robot faster reaver harass etc,or just the gateways

On September 19 2017 21:00 tanngard wrote:

So what was Snows plan then? To hope Hero did not go hydra busts lol? What is the strength of going gate opening?

On September 19 2017 21:02 FlaShFTW wrote:

i guess. idk i feel like without seeing the probe anywhere near the pylon maybe he just thought that snow was building the robo at home. He definitely tried to meta game read Snow's reaver/carrier build although kinda weird to go mnm vs reaver if he thought thats what snow was going for anyways.

On September 19 2017 21:00 tanngard wrote:

So what was Snows plan then? To hope Hero did not go hydra busts lol? What is the strength of going gate expand?

On September 19 2017 21:01 TT1 wrote:


zerg has to chase p's zeals with his lings which usually gives p the opportunity to sneak a probe in z's main for a rescout (assuming p's probe left z's main), which he didnt do.

On September 19 2017 21:32 tanngard wrote:

Thank you. This is what i thought too, but that leaves me perplexed as to why Snow did not immediately send a second probe when his initial one died and when his zealots was keeping the zerglings busy at the ramp.

On September 19 2017 21:53 EsportsJohn wrote:


Protoss players have been failing to scout a lot over the last few months, not sure why. This was an ongoing thing during the last ASL too.

On September 19 2017 21:01 TT1 wrote:


zerg has to chase p's zeals with his lings which usually gives p the opportunity to sneak a probe in z's main for a rescout (assuming p's probe left z's main), which he didnt do.

On September 20 2017 00:43 LaStScan wrote:
Just came back from work.

I feel like Snow is more a proleague type player than individual competition.
He's super amazing in PvP and PvT(I really can't win his PvT. Maybe 1/10 or 15).
I hope Snow can overcome his PvZ one day and do well for the future tournaments.

On September 20 2017 00:41 Rainalcar wrote:


Even the best Protoss players most of the time don't manage to do this and the reason is simple: it's usually not possible against best Zergs because they see everything with speedlings. Hydra busts are w/o a doubt one of the more stupid things in BW.

On September 20 2017 03:52 Alpha-NP- wrote:
Is Jaedong really as rusty as people say he is? People think he gonna lose im his group? I'm surprised.

On September 20 2017 03:52 Alpha-NP- wrote:
Is Jaedong really as rusty as people say he is? People think he gonna lose im his group? I'm surprised.

On September 20 2017 09:11 FlaShFTW wrote:

And then he almost lost to tossgirl lol

On September 19 2017 22:36 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:

Shine was very happy this was the case!
You'd like to think it has more to do with Z denying scouting than P being lazy, but unfortunately its hard to tell. They have all the apm in the world to try and sneak in probes at any opportunity considering the real threat of dying no matter how good you are

On September 20 2017 02:34 sertas wrote:
its actually the number one thing i hate about bw is the stupid hydra busts that keep killing protoss all the time all these years it just doesnt end

On September 20 2017 09:28 Letmelose wrote:


UpMagic was probably one of the most disportionately talented terran players to have ever played the game. His strategical prowess was off the charts, but his actual fundamentals compared to the other top terran players of his time was severely lacking. Certainly one of the most interesting characters the game has had, in my opinion.

He does boast a superior head-to-head record versus Flash, by a score of three to one. The only terran in history that can claim that trivia.

On September 20 2017 11:41 Ancestral wrote:


Well if you played zerg you'd complain about storm so. There still are BO losses in BW, tho they're mostly mitigated by having more information.

The Sin Heuiseung was my favorite terran player to watch. I started watching pro StarCraft right after the peak of the Ma Jaeyoon, so that one doesn't sting as much, but I really wish UpMaGiC was paid more or something so he didn't have to resort to helping Blizz destroy StarCraft

Really wish he had stayed straight and were still around. On the one hand, they all did irreparable damage, but on the other, Jon Jones can get high, go out and brutally assault pregnant women and then flee the scene, and then get a championship match right after, win that match, and then get caught for the fifth time with bull steroids in his system, and the UFC loses little credibility. I guess it's just the different cultures. O well

On September 20 2017 18:00 r33k wrote:
I've spoken in favor of match-fixing multiple times over the years, and given that the scandal was 7 years ago almost everything's been said already. SAviOr has quoted wage disparity as one of the driving factors that led to him taking a leadership role in the racket (with Hwasin being his equal, but everybody's so thirsty for blood they just jump onto the bigger name), and although my numbers may be off he cited his bonuses for a single match win being equal to a B-Teamer's wages for a year.

That's fucking insane, especially if you consider that the guilty parties were all teenagers and fresh 20 year-olds with no financial consultancy you can see how the cheating route would seem like the only option in sight for the players to seek adequate compensation for their time. To give a further idea of the financial illiteracy of some other top names from the older generation Yellow's been in the mob for literally fucking ever and Nada lost all his money gambling in the "stock market".

Connections to criminal life are something very common for Koreans who quickly come across with large sums of money, just look at their reputation all over asia for a point of reference.

Whether the timing of the scandal being so close to the blizzard lawsuit breaking KeSPA's back was a coincidence is up for debate and we don't have any definitive information to call, however the same can be said about lots of storylines like Flash's TvT streak. Korean news during the matchfixing investigation mentioned KeSPA having developed advanced methods to detect cheating due to similiar a scenario happening in the past, which nobody had ever heard of. The peak of Flash's legacy got a very large push from the map pool used in the final sanctioned years, and with the scene on average being so balanced there might not have been another bonjwa, a figure that traditionally has been very good for marketing.

On September 20 2017 19:28 r33k wrote:
I get that you enjoy being angry but personally I value adequate wage distribution higher than allegedly fair and ethical competition for the long term health of an industry.

As I watch pro games now I always miss the quality that the teams' practice regimen provided, but it didn't take long for me to come to terms with the healthier lifestyle of self-management over the exploitation of the young.

And KeSPA are the only ones to blame for the top star system, not the players. sAviOr specifically was never an attention seeker, and neither were Bisu, Jaedong or Flash after him. KeSPA turned them into stars rather than their results, and that's the reason why players now have to climb insurmountable mountains to reach their level of popularity.

On September 21 2017 00:39 BLinD-RawR wrote:
you're alive!!

On September 21 2017 00:23 Ryo wrote:
It's good to be back after a few years and still find people here talking about the same stuff as before.