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StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
May 30 2017 16:59 GMT
#101
Maybe I'm way too slow, but this OP really spoiled the results in the Semi-Finals for me.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-30 17:13:40
May 30 2017 17:12 GMT
#102
Yeah that was a disappointing series. Idk it seems like Soulkey isn't very confident in his zvp. He played very aggressive vs Best and the only reason he won (imo) was because Best was doing a bad job blocking the runby's.

Maybe he's hiding something for free, but I think he might just be struggling with zvp right now going by his ASL ro8 match and this one.

On May 31 2017 01:59 StylishVODs wrote:
Maybe I'm way too slow, but this OP really spoiled the results in the Semi-Finals for me.


I would recommend not looking at the tourney section (or really going to BW forums) if you don't want to be spoiled. Those matches were played a few days ago. When I don't want to be spoiled I avoid places that could potentially spoil it.
When I think of something else, something will go here
gngfn
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1726 Posts
May 30 2017 18:00 GMT
#103
Nobody ever practices hard for 3rd place matches, and a good player who can expect to go deep in tournaments in the future is incentivized to save whatever good builds he might have anyway. Unfortunately this is about what you can expect from a consolation match, which is a big part of the reason BW mostly stopped doing them.
TaardadAiel
Profile Joined May 2017
Bulgaria750 Posts
May 30 2017 18:10 GMT
#104
I don't have any idea why SoulKey decided to bring the lings from the main - where he just broke - back to the natural in game 1? Was this a mistake or just a gamble?
WriterReV hwaiting!
arbiter_md
Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
May 30 2017 18:46 GMT
#105
I don't understand why do you people consider those 900$ little money? Do you make comparable to 900$ a day? That is 240k a year, just so that you can have a better feeling.
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-30 18:55:03
May 30 2017 18:54 GMT
#106
Series wasn't too bad imo, that Andromeda game felt really close with the bust. With hydra busting being so popular, I think protoss players should anticipate them and make a second cannon then if a bust is coming, try and hold on while you get more.

On May 31 2017 03:46 arbiter_md wrote:
I don't understand why do you people consider those 900$ little money? Do you make comparable to 900$ a day? That is 240k a year, just so that you can have a better feeling.

More like $2700 a year if you assume 3 ASLs every year and assuming you even manage to make this match, not 240k a year -_-
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
nurle
Profile Joined August 2009
Norway308 Posts
May 30 2017 18:55 GMT
#107
Watching the games right now and I honestly can't believe how badly they read the first game. Yes Bisu had a moment where the lings could have done some serious damage, but after that he was so far ahead he could probably have won with 1 hand. "Yes bisu is still in this"
Jaedong fucking beast
azrael1965
Profile Joined May 2017
13 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-30 18:59:26
May 30 2017 18:59 GMT
#108
On May 31 2017 03:00 gngfn wrote:
Nobody ever practices hard for 3rd place matches, and a good player who can expect to go deep in tournaments in the future is incentivized to save whatever good builds he might have anyway. Unfortunately this is about what you can expect from a consolation match, which is a big part of the reason BW mostly stopped doing them.

But I I believe that Soulkey still wanted to win. 1) That's still 900$ 2) Defeating Bisu always increases your reputation 3) A win boosts his confidence for the match vs Free in the SSL where he can still win it all.
Moopower
Profile Joined May 2017
128 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-30 19:40:00
May 30 2017 19:36 GMT
#109
When will other protoss players be good at pvz, and take lessons from bisu. There never has been an influential protoss like bisu in a very long time, always zerg or terran players

Other than shuttles 1st asl win, it never seems protoss ever dominates the scene like the other races have.
usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
May 30 2017 19:37 GMT
#110
Shine's builds seem broken because they are so optimized. Also, Shine's micro is almost flawless. His scourge and defiler micro is fucking scary.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
May 30 2017 19:44 GMT
#111
On May 31 2017 04:37 usopsama wrote:
Shine's builds seem broken because they are so optimized. Also, Shine's micro is almost flawless. His scourge and defiler micro is fucking scary.

I think Shine just allocates his APM differently in comparison to say Soulkey as we saw his micro lacking in large parts of his games vs Flash in the semis.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Barneyk
Profile Joined November 2008
Sweden305 Posts
May 30 2017 19:54 GMT
#112
On May 31 2017 04:37 usopsama wrote:
Also, Shine's micro is almost flawless.


I so strongly disagree with this, there were so many times in the games vs Bisu where his micro was subpar at best.
But that is because he so effectively spent his APM on more important things.

His micro in crucial moments where great, but overall it wasn't that good at all. But since his strategy wasn't dependent on good micro in every encounter it worked out perfectly anyway.
nah
arbiter_md
Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
May 30 2017 20:15 GMT
#113
It wasn't Shine or his strategies winning the games. It was Bisu donating games. I imagine already how bad Shine will look in the finals, and how the effectively spent APM will suddenly disappear.
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
May 30 2017 21:10 GMT
#114
This series really blew my mind at how cheesy Soulkey is
quite depressing
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Vivi57
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States6599 Posts
May 30 2017 21:59 GMT
#115
Not an impressive series. Didn't the osl used to seed 3rd place deeper in the tournament than 4th place, creating something big for the players to play for?
Flash hwaiting! Nal_rA forever!
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11390 Posts
May 30 2017 22:58 GMT
#116
On May 31 2017 02:12 blade55555 wrote:
Yeah that was a disappointing series. Idk it seems like Soulkey isn't very confident in his zvp. He played very aggressive vs Best and the only reason he won (imo) was because Best was doing a bad job blocking the runby's.

Maybe he's hiding something for free, but I think he might just be struggling with zvp right now going by his ASL ro8 match and this one

right now? It's been like this for a long time since he came back to BW. He's one of the last afreecan zergs to watch if you want to improve your zvp.
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10163 Posts
May 30 2017 23:45 GMT
#117
On May 31 2017 01:59 StylishVODs wrote:
Maybe I'm way too slow, but this OP really spoiled the results in the Semi-Finals for me.

Ah, sorry about that. Granted, I have a 48 hour rule about spoilers and the semifinals were played 48 hours before this series and the LR thread went up literally as the day began so :/
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1707 Posts
May 31 2017 00:06 GMT
#118
just finished watching. nice that bisu won. yey
iloveby.SlayerS_BunkiE[Shield]
Barneyk
Profile Joined November 2008
Sweden305 Posts
May 31 2017 00:28 GMT
#119
Am I wrong but haven't Zergs been playing really aggressively against protoss a lot lately? Why are people so surprised that Soulkey did it here as well?

There were a few clutch moments where soulkey almost broke through and I thought it was really exciting.

Not the greatest games, no, but a lot of tense moments that I still enjoyed.
nah
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19240 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-31 01:06:17
May 31 2017 01:02 GMT
#120
I miss the old style of Zerg that would beat Bisu. Back when hero won in the finals it was through superb standard play and simply being mechanically better. Soulkey and Shine just don't show the same level of mechnical talent that hero did and even Effort when he won. Credit to shine for winning with his head, but Soulkey's play just looked completely uninspired.
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