Arkanoid 1.0 had a 66% TvP record, so yes, it was better for terran players.

Arkanoid 2.0 was stronger for T during the Season 3 of Shinhan Starleague. But that was largely thanks to players like NaDa, iloveOOv, Midas, etc. Nine top level terran players, and only one protoss player, Much[gm].

Obviously, terran would have the better record vs. P, having such a large advantage in Starleague. A single protoss player certainly can't make good percentages against such a large number of terran players.

But, after the initial rounds of 2007, where there were larger numbers of protoss players, PvT has been much higher. Protoss win 2/3 games against Terran this new pre-Starleague season for 2007.

I was merely saying that Reach seemed to have this game, despite Yooi's large resource domination. Having a large economy doesn't really do anything if your army has to squeeze through tight walls while carriers are attacking. Reach, despite being behind in the game economically, had increasing numbers of carriers. And carriers are extremely annoying units on Arkanoid vs goliaths. You don't need great control, just decent moving-shot with carriers.

Polemarch

Canada1564 Posts

April 12 2007 20:43 GMT

#543

convincing play by hero toss! it really looks like he's back in shape. losing to stork pvp is nothing to be ashamed of.

and geez, they were listing 14 terran, 4 zerg, 6 protoss for the next round of OSL qualifiers? plus three terrans and one zerg seeded from previous OSL...

that's horrible, way too many tvts. i much prefer zerg dominance (or protoss, but that might be too much to ask)

thedeadhaji

39489 Posts

April 12 2007 21:03 GMT

#544

WiP, on the same token though, the average protoss player in ODT is much stronger than the average terran player. Every single toss player is experienced and high-skilled, while you cant say the same for the terrans in this round.

Lukeeze[zR]

Switzerland6838 Posts

April 12 2007 21:12 GMT

#545

On April 13 2007 05:43 Polemarch wrote:
convincing play by hero toss! it really looks like he's back in shape. losing to stork pvp is nothing to be ashamed of.

and beating yooi is nothing to be proud of, you cant say he's back in shape after 1 bo3 vs yooi

WhatisProtoss

Korea (South)2325 Posts

April 12 2007 21:16 GMT

#546

On April 13 2007 06:03 thedeadhaji wrote:
WiP, on the same token though, the average protoss player in ODT is much stronger than the average terran player. Every single toss player is experienced and high-skilled, while you cant say the same for the terrans in this round.

TERRAN: Midas, Goodfriend, Light, ForGG, Dongrae, Yooi, Hwasin, Sea.Up, iloveOOv, FBH, Sea[Shield], Xellos, Bifrost, JiHyun, Darkelf, Shine

PROTOSS: AnyTime, Much, Bisu, Pusan, free, Jangbi, Kingdom, Reach, Stork

Now, try to tell me with a straight face that the protoss lineup is stronger than the terran lineup.

The only players who are currently active in Starleague for protoss is AnyTime, Much, and Bisu.
Pusan, Kingdom, Reach, and Stork have been missing in action for a long time...

However, FBH, iloveOOv, Sea.Up, Hwasin, Midas, Light, Xellos, Bifrost, and Sea[shield] have all been in Starleagues these last Shinhan seasons. Sure, there are a couple terran players who don't have big famous names as the protoss players, but they certainly have proved themselves to be good as of NOW. Some of those protoss are have beens who've struggled up to this point without having any time under the television cameras (IE: Stork, Reach, Kingdom, PuSan).

Plexa

Aotearoa39261 Posts

April 12 2007 21:43 GMT

#547

jihyun is zerg?

SonuvBob

Aiur21549 Posts

April 12 2007 21:54 GMT

#548

Oh man, Yooi is so bad.

thedeadhaji

39489 Posts

April 12 2007 23:49 GMT

#549

Full terran lineup

Midas[gm] T (Jun Sang Wook)
GoodFrienD T ( Lee Byung Min)
Light[Alive] T (Lee Jae Ho)
fOrGG T (Park Ji Soo)
dOnGraE T (Lee Hak Ju)
Yooi T (Han Seung Yup)
Hwasin T (Jin Yeong Su)
Sea.Up T (Shin Hee Seung)
iloveoov T (Choi Yun Sung)
FireBatHero T (Lee Sung Eun)
Lomo[fOu] T (Son Jooheung)
HiyA[fOu] T (Goo Sunghoon)
Sea[Shield] T (Yum Bosung)
XellOs[yG] T (Seo Jihoon)
Bifrost T (Won Jongsuh)
TheManiaMST T (Joo Hyunjoon)
Hery[Hyo] T (Kim Yoonhwan)
O.oc T (Kim Donggun)
Lee Youngho T
DArKeLf[S.siR] T (Kim Sunggi)
FreeDom.werra T (Jang Yongsuk)
Shine[Name] T (Ahn Sangwon)

<hr>

Would you categorize these 13 terrans below as having a strong TvP? Becuase I would have a hard time doing so. Of these 13, I would say that Darkelf, Hiya and TheMania are the strongest, and we didn't know at the time how TheMania would respond to TV-pressure. So that's 13 out of 22 terrans that have some question marks over their heads.

dOnGraE T (Lee Hak Ju)
Yooi T (Han Seung Yup)
Hwasin T (Jin Yeong Su)
Lomo[fOu] T (Son Jooheung)
HiyA[fOu] T (Goo Sunghoon)
TheManiaMST T (Joo Hyunjoon)
Hery[Hyo] T (Kim Yoonhwan)
O.oc T (Kim Donggun)
Lee Youngho T
DArKeLf[S.siR] T (Kim Sunggi)
FreeDom.werra T (Jang Yongsuk)
Shine[Name] T (Ahn Sangwon)
Xellos <- when's the last time we saw convincingly strong play from him TT_TT

<hr>

Pusan, Reach and Stork are definitely suspect, but Kingdom showed a strong PvT during prelims to suggest that he is approaching decent form again, and Jangbi played well in PSL as well, before crumbling to TV pressume yesterday.

And even though these 3 tosses have been missing for a while, they have nonetheless "done it" before and are used to on-stage gameplay.

In all honesty I still think the terran lineup has many more holes compared to the protoss lineup for this ODT.

ManaBlue

Canada10458 Posts

April 13 2007 00:43 GMT

#550

Just watched the games, and all I can say is...

MANTOSS!!! He returns to rock your faces!

Last Romantic

United States20661 Posts

April 13 2007 00:59 GMT

#551

On April 13 2007 09:43 ManaBlue wrote:
Just watched the games, and all I can say is...

MANTOSS!!! He returns to rock your faces!

YAHHHHHH I BELIEVE~

round of 24 next, he's just two wins away from StarLeague...

Last Romantic

United States20661 Posts

April 13 2007 01:04 GMT

#552

On April 13 2007 00:50 Da_PlayerX wrote:
HongJinHo - japanese legend aka [NC]..Yell0w, aka KTF_Yell0w
one of the players i will always like

edit:japanesse>japanese
(i am almost sure he is from Japan, pls correct me)

haha Jinho's from Daejeon, South Korea.

Tarte

Canada933 Posts

April 13 2007 01:16 GMT

#553

go reach, i believe ...!

gds

Iceland1391 Posts

April 13 2007 02:31 GMT

#554

does it means that chojja is out of the next OSL because of his today loss?

funkie

Venezuela9374 Posts

April 13 2007 02:45 GMT

#555

my liquibet went to hell. fuck xells and chojja never voting for them EVER.

KizZBG

u gotta skate8152 Posts

April 13 2007 02:56 GMT

#556

Pics:

http://www.fighterforum.com/newsphoto/news_photo_read.asp?page=1&cat=PHO&idx=1985

SonuvBob

Aiur21549 Posts

April 13 2007 03:20 GMT

#557

I bet keke's jealous of that facial hair.

Do you think he's planning to make a windmill out of them in a few years?

WhatisProtoss

Korea (South)2325 Posts

April 13 2007 03:59 GMT

#558

Protoss Lineup in ODT (highlighted the best ones)

Anytime[gm] (Oh YongJong)
Much[gm] (Bak YoungMin)
Bisu[Shield] (Kim TaekYong)
PuSan[S.G] (Bak Jiho)
free[gm] (Yoon YongTae)
Dream.t)Jangbi (Hu YoungMu)
Kingdom (Bak YongWook)
Ever)TT (Bak SungHoon)
[Oops]Reach (Bak JungSuk)
teSteR..[gm] (Seo KiSoo)
stork[gm] (Song ByungKu)

Now, for TvP in this ODT:

1. Up.Magic (T) > PuSan (P)
2. Justin (T) > tester..[gm] (P)
3. ForGG (T) > Kingdom (P)
4. By.Flash (T) > Ever)P(TT (P)

The ONLY protoss to win against terran this ODT was Reach, who beat Yooi.

Jangbi and Kingdom both lost already in the ODT. Almost all of the terrans are left.

Only 8 terrans have lost. And 5/8 of those losses come from other terrans:

Xellos [to GoodFriend (T)]
Yooi
FreeDom
o.oc
TheMania [to Midas (T)]
Hery [to Dongrae (T)]
Shine [to Light (T)]
Darkelf [to FBH (T)]

Players who have thus survived ODT:

Midas[gm] T (Jun Sang Wook)
GoodFrienD T ( Lee Byung Min)
Light[Alive] T (Lee Jae Ho)
fOrGG T (Park Ji Soo)
dOnGraE T (Lee Hak Ju)
Hwasin T (Jin Yeong Su)
Sea.Up T (Shin Hee Seung)
iloveoov T (Choi Yun Sung)
Lomo[fOu] T (Son Jooheung)
HiyA[fOu] T (Goo Sunghoon)
Sea[Shield] T (Yum Bosung)
Bifrost/Justin T (Won Jongsuh)
Lee Youngho T

Anytime[gm] (Oh YongJong)
Much[gm] (Bak YoungMin)
Bisu[Shield] (Kim TaekYong)
free[gm] (Yoon YongTae)
[Oops]Reach (Bak JungSuk)
stork[gm] (Song ByungKu)

There are just too many Terran all-stars in that surviving list. The two top terrans from SKT1, STX SouL's best player, eStro's best player, the #2 and #3 players from MBCGame Heroes, #1 and #2 terrans from OnGameNet Sparkys.

Kacas

Brazil3143 Posts

April 13 2007 06:30 GMT

#559

098309q8392038 terrans
shit