EDIT BY CARNAC - IMPORTANT REGARDING THE STARTING TIME: The fact that the US changed their laws on daylight saving time resultet in the daylight saving time starting last weekend instead of on the last weekend of March. So the starting time info displayed on both the calendar, as well as Pressure's schedule thread was wrong, same goes for this thread. The correct starting times are: 23:00 TL.net time (aka 11 PM PST) 02:00 AM EST 07:00 AM CET
Thanks to haji for the information. I also just edited the time displayed in the calendar end of edit
Ooooh its a honor for me to introduce ShinHan Masters (Semi)Final(s).
Today (TL.net time 23:00), or for me tomorrow (7:00 CET) the ShinHan Masters Semi finals are starting.
Let me introduce the players first.
[ReD]NaDa, Pantech EX
Lee Yun Yeol, known for his impressive Terran vs Zerg micro and strategical based decisions. Also for his very feared macro. (In my opinion he was and still is one of the best Terrans ever)
His mental strengh is unbelievable, he made a comeback short (please don't abuse "it was a long time") after his father died. A fact that deserves deep respect. I don't want to make this introduction too long, so a last thing I want to mention, he is the owner of the Golden Mouse for winning 3 OSL titles!
IriS[gm], CJ_Entus
Byun Hyung Tae, everyone, or nearly everyone didn't take him too serious in his match ups but Terran vs Terran. In the previous OSL he showed in a great best of 5 series (semi final vs sAviOr) that his Terran vs Zerg has to be feared, too.
Overall he has not won alot of titles or awards. He is a constant player and he has a great winning streak at the moment, especially in Terran vs Terran. His record in the OSL season is 9-0 (correct me if I'm wrong please). On the one hand he got a very though opponent with [ReD]NaDa in the semis, on the other hand he proofed his strength. When he manages to take down Lee Yun Yeol and in the case sAviOr[gm] advances to the finals, he already showed in a best of 5 (OSL semi - finals) that he can beat sAviOr (I know, he lost 2-3, but the 5th game was close!).
Casy, OGN Sparkyz
Han Dong Wook, ok I guess Casy is the player who is underdog here most. Gosugamers, or the community proofs that by betting 78% on sAviOr. Really - for me this is a huge upset. All should know Casy is a great player, especially vs Zerg. He holds a 3-1 OGN record vs the God of War (JulyZerg).
Perhaps he's an underdog here, but its his chance to proof he is a solid Terran vs Zerg user too. This will be the reason why he will be on fire!
sAviOr[gm], CJ_Entus
Mah Jae Yoon, well last but not least, Mah Jae Yoon, one of the greatest zergs the scene ever saw! He won 3 MSL titles, were in 5 MSL finals (5th final 0-3 vs Bisu) and he won the previous OSL beating [ReD]NaDa 3-1. He is the natural fear of every Terran user. I preferable call him Mr Dark Clouds, because he uses dark swarm and plaque unhumanly good.
Ok, lets talk about the matches and after I will give you my predictions.
Semi Final, 7 CET, 22 TL.net time:
[ReD]NaDa vs IriS[gm]
The Maps
Game 1 @ Neo Arkanoid Game 2 @ Reverse Temple Game 3 @ Shin Peaks of Baekdu Game 4 @ 815 lll Game 5 @ Neo Arkanoid
Frankly I hope sAviOr beats Casy, because I'd much rather watch 2 TvZ's than 2 TvT's. NaDa vs sAviOr again, or an IriS/sAviOr rematch would both be awesome.
On March 16 2007 14:26 muramasa wrote: This is going to be really awesome.
Frankly I hope sAviOr beats Casy, because I'd much rather watch 2 TvZ's than 2 TvT's. NaDa vs sAviOr again, or an IriS/sAviOr rematch would both be awesome.
Another favor you guys could do me, if you want to have Pictures Banners or something for the finals included.. some little banner would be awesome, please make one, I will add it !
Han Dong Wook, ok I guess Casy is the player who is underdog here most. Gosugamers, or the community proofs that by betting 78% on sAviOr. Really - for me this is a huge upset. All should know Casy is a great player, especially vs Zerg. He holds a 3-1 OGN record vs the God of War (JulyZerg).
He got a tough opponent in the semi finals, but he already proofed he can beat sAviOr (2-3 bo5 vs sAviOr). He should not be underestimated.
As far as I know, casy has not played a bo5 against savior. This last bit should be in iris' profile right?
Han Dong Wook, ok I guess Casy is the player who is underdog here most. Gosugamers, or the community proofs that by betting 78% on sAviOr. Really - for me this is a huge upset. All should know Casy is a great player, especially vs Zerg. He holds a 3-1 OGN record vs the God of War (JulyZerg).
He got a tough opponent in the semi finals, but he already proofed he can beat sAviOr (2-3 bo5 vs sAviOr). He should not be underestimated.
As far as I know, casy has not played a bo5 against savior. This last bit should be in iris' profile right?
I'm not going to take credit off July here, but he isn't the same player as he was before, and Savior is a monster. I'm not saying Savior's safe pick, but I'm saying, it will most likely not be an upset.
Han Dong Wook, ok I guess Casy is the player who is underdog here most. Gosugamers, or the community proofs that by betting 78% on sAviOr. Really - for me this is a huge upset. All should know Casy is a great player, especially vs Zerg. He holds a 3-1 OGN record vs the God of War (JulyZerg).
He got a tough opponent in the semi finals, but he already proofed he can beat sAviOr (2-3 bo5 vs sAviOr). He should not be underestimated.
As far as I know, casy has not played a bo5 against savior. This last bit should be in iris' profile right?
I'm not going to take credit off July here, but he isn't the same player as he was before, and Savior is a monster. I'm not saying Savior's safe pick, but I'm saying, it will most likely not be an upset.
The wins I mentioned vs July were not in the current and not in the past OSL season. He still was God of War there .
Han Dong Wook, ok I guess Casy is the player who is underdog here most. Gosugamers, or the community proofs that by betting 78% on sAviOr. Really - for me this is a huge upset. All should know Casy is a great player, especially vs Zerg. He holds a 3-1 OGN record vs the God of War (JulyZerg).
He got a tough opponent in the semi finals, but he already proofed he can beat sAviOr (2-3 bo5 vs sAviOr). He should not be underestimated.
As far as I know, casy has not played a bo5 against savior. This last bit should be in iris' profile right?
I'm not going to take credit off July here, but he isn't the same player as he was before, and Savior is a monster. I'm not saying Savior's safe pick, but I'm saying, it will most likely not be an upset.
The wins I mentioned vs July were not in the current and not in the past OSL season. He still was God of War there .
so umm, have you considered the validity of this line? =S
He got a tough opponent in the semi finals, but he already proofed he can beat sAviOr (2-3 bo5 vs sAviOr). He should not be underestimated.
Casy hasnt been in msl. Savior has only been in one osl.
Casy and savior were on opposite sides of bo16 bracket, obviously they didnt meet in finals or 3rd place match.
There's no way a casy vs savior bo5 could have happened until now. They havent met in superfight either. There's a reason with Casy fanboy #1, SJM, is clamoring about this mathcup.
Han Dong Wook, ok I guess Casy is the player who is underdog here most. Gosugamers, or the community proofs that by betting 78% on sAviOr. Really - for me this is a huge upset. All should know Casy is a great player, especially vs Zerg. He holds a 3-1 OGN record vs the God of War (JulyZerg).
He got a tough opponent in the semi finals, but he already proofed he can beat sAviOr (2-3 bo5 vs sAviOr). He should not be underestimated.
As far as I know, casy has not played a bo5 against savior. This last bit should be in iris' profile right?
I'm not going to take credit off July here, but he isn't the same player as he was before, and Savior is a monster. I'm not saying Savior's safe pick, but I'm saying, it will most likely not be an upset.
The wins I mentioned vs July were not in the current and not in the past OSL season. He still was God of War there .
so umm, have you considered the validity of this line? =S
He got a tough opponent in the semi finals, but he already proofed he can beat sAviOr (2-3 bo5 vs sAviOr). He should not be underestimated.
Casy hasnt been in msl. Savior has only been in one osl.
Casy and savior were on opposite sides of bo16 bracket, obviously they didnt meet in finals or 3rd place match.
There's no way a casy vs savior bo5 could have happened until now. They havent met in superfight either. There's a reason with Casy fanboy #1, SJM, is clamoring about this mathcup.
edit: oop, looks like you got to it
I already edited But thank you anyway! I greatly appriciate your support haji!
I can't help but wonder how anyone can still believe in terrans vs savior. I mean okay, if they start doing things like one base rushes / proxy etc then who knows, but this season's Terran fashion statement seems to have kinda stopped working right?
sorry to bother, lol, this will be played @ 6CET? O.O;; ..
ok here we go. hopefully i cover all time zones Korea time I got from google.
Current time USEAST: 7:10pm Current time Korea: 8:10am Current time USWEST = TL.net = 4:10pm
Pressure's thread - Start time of Shinhan Masters Time:15:00 Korea Time, 22:00(Friday) TL Time.
now I think this time was made before daylight savings kicked in. As you can see, the time difference right now between korea and TL.net, is 8-4 = 4 hours (also pm/am diff, but w/e). Pressure's entry says 10am tl time, and 3pm korea time, which is 5 hours difference.
Now, I am sure the 15:00 korea time is the correct one here, makes no sense that the TL.net time would be correct and the korea time will be wrong, when the time source is from a korean website.
Ok, so we have time difference as Korea - USEAST = 1 hour Korea - USWEST/TL.net = 4 hours
so starting with 15:00 korea time, we get USEAST = 1500 - 1 = 14:00, whcih is 2pm -> swtich am and pm -> 2am EST USWEST = 1500 - 4 = 11:00, which is 11am -> switch am and pm -> 11pm PST
Thank you thedeadhaji. I may not have embarrassed myself on the boards not understanding all this (namely I did not know TL.net time = PST), but I sure did with a PM to Mani a few days ago concerned I would miss a game or two with wrong time zone; especially the daylight savings time that you unravelled for us. 1 AM CST it is! Yay.
Agree with a lot of you guys, the Casy v sAviOr fight is going to be interesting for all reasons already mentioned above.
Looking forward to an awsome evening (night) with Sc2.org
I'd appreciate it if some people could check my math in above thread etc, make sure I got it right. I checked it about 2 times, but I'd like another set of eyes to look it over.
It's both a good and bad thing that this is starting earlier than SC events usually do. I won't have to stay up until 5am, but I won't be able to go out boozing beforehand.
Pretty exciting. It's either (z v t / t v z) or t v t. IMO the terrans will have the advantage, and it is very likely that one of them will win. I believe it may really come down to Iris or Nada because all three terrans have awesome T v Z, but Iris and Nada stand out the most.
On March 16 2007 17:28 hhkx wrote: terrible maps, 815 twice, and reverse LT, it doesn't get worse than this
Savior is pretty godly in 815 though :> and hes got like a 75% win rec on RLT. Whereas nada has been losing quite a few games there, like that up.magic game and casy for example.
ops posted in wrong section lol. hm yeah its interesting, they say there were also other big drug busts in mexico as well. =p don't the dealers ever learn?
ahhh sc2.org is so AWESOME gogogo casy beat savior and engage slump mode~
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On March 16 2007 15:51 -MrC- wrote: I can't help but wonder how anyone can still believe in terrans vs savior. I mean okay, if they start doing things like one base rushes / proxy etc then who knows, but this season's Terran fashion statement seems to have kinda stopped working right?
On March 16 2007 15:51 -MrC- wrote: I can't help but wonder how anyone can still believe in terrans vs savior. I mean okay, if they start doing things like one base rushes / proxy etc then who knows, but this season's Terran fashion statement seems to have kinda stopped working right?
Woot, hypehypehypehypehypehypehypehypehypehyp ehypehypehypehypehypehypehypehypehypehyp ehypehypehypehypehypehypehypehypehypehypehypehypehypehypehypehypehype hypehypehypehypehypehypehypehypehypehyp ehypehypehypehypehypehypehypehypehypehy pehypehypehypehypehypehypehypehypehype hypehypehypehypehypehypehypehype hypehypehypehypehypehypehype Ok im done, GO NADA CASY AND IRIS! (lol)
On March 16 2007 21:18 bine wrote: how long until it starts? 1:40?
Yeah, according to
EDIT BY CARNAC - IMPORTANT REGARDING THE STARTING TIME: The fact that the US changed their laws on daylight saving time resultet in the daylight saving time starting last weekend instead of on the last weekend of March. So the starting time info displayed on both the calendar, as well as Pressure's schedule thread was wrong, same goes for this thread. The correct starting times are: 23:00 TL.net time (aka 11 PM PST) 02:00 AM EST 07:00 AM CET
mmkay, i'm in i just need to figure out some other settings again. oh btw my mic is fucking farr right now so i'll have to figure out a comp setup that works (mic is like, insde the laptop)
On March 16 2007 23:03 MYM.Testie wrote: HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
also with iris' quick scouting and rines set up to get the most out of his nat, there is a posibility of a 1 fac 2 port build to gain time to double expand, but i was right with the 2 fact thing, iris also has a starport most likely 4 vult drop
and it seems iris is using nadas own medicine against him, hoping to confuse nada to transition into a mid game where nadas superior macro will not be able to save him
2nd dship from iris heading up map, after first drop by iris kills af ew scv.
iris drops the 1st goli pack on nada again, 8 goli from iris vs nada's support, scv rine goli fighting, iris picks up the golis, then redroppst hen on south nat, Nada SAVES his cc at red red red hp
now at this point is any one player really behind, I say not. Iris just started mining from his nat, and nada took some scv losses, given the current state this game will probably grow tedious in 5 minutes
looks like iris has expanded to his west nat, 2 dhip goli coming from iris, nada's golis are on teh path, only 1 goli comes out of the dshp before it dies.
nada is running around with dships + gols iris drops nada's nat again nada holds it off iris seems to be going for his 2nd expo big drop at iris' first expo
that drop seemed like a big thing for nada and it more or less failed, even though another attempt is on the waym nada has to cripple iris or else he is in trouble
iris starting to get turrets at north expo, golis breaking the main netrals, heading into mid, iris comes out of his main, where nada just comes with his dships, now coming towards iris' main with tank goli via ground
next up is reverse temple, despite a few depressing losses that nada has had on it I think he will have something good planned, id be willing to hazard a guess that its probably a 8rax fast expand build
This was a really high-skilled Terran vs Terran. IriS pressure was impressive playing 3 Factory goliaths.. he nearly took down NaDa's 14 cc. NaDa defendet pretty well and from there on he dominated, great game! I hope for nice next games!
nada scv scout to 12, iris to 3, which is wrong direction for both players.
nada going 1 fac 1 port. both players sending rax to the proper position, 2 rines from nada fire at rax, 4 rine 1 vult 1 scv attack from iris, 2 speedvults, iris is bunkering above teh ramp
nada has cloak, but scan gets it in time, but then nadas tanks hop in and fuck up iris's, scvs out now, successfuly take 2 tanks out, but with reinforcements now for nada iris's chances of survial look really low
On March 17 2007 00:05 DeadVessel wrote: iris is being really risky in these games, the bunker was a waste and did nothing but slow nada for like a couple seconds
I think the point that the game turned were the wraith, IriS had to build armory and academy. I think that was not planned! It costed him 300! =)
If NaDa 3-0 IriS we all know its just a fact of performance on that special day! But.. that would be amazing no doubt!
On March 17 2007 00:11 AnOth3rDAy wrote: i hope for 3-2 for nada since i want many games! but i think its gonna be 3-0, iris menatl shape cant be too good right now.
True.. he is known for his incredible TvT (9-0 or something) and now getting 2, perhaps 3 straight loses. That must be cruel!
it depends on how well savior plays. if he 3-0 casy nada will be pissing his pants.. anyway i think savior has really good mental advantage vs nada since he 3-1:ed nada both times.
iris drops tank goli on nada expo at 11, kills cc.
iris dros those units behdin main min line of nada, nada drops on it after losing scvs. nada drops on 8 expo, not very efficient in killing the cc, iris comes and kills nada's tanks that was below the 8 ramp.
i thought that was nadas game after iris dropped 4 tanks 4 goliath and lost everything and nada got his FE faster:O but nada got drops so late he couldnt defend his 3:rd expand=(
i really love watching tvt's and love to play it but i simply cant find opponents in local server ....... only crappy terrans tho or terrans which sux @ tvt
Man, this last game was pure art by both players. I think that is one of the best TvT's around, IriS is one hell of a TvT player, and he pulled that game in such an art way. Amazing.
THIS IS A MUST SEE VOD PEOPLE
TvT - NaDa vs Iris Set 3 ShinHan Masters SEMIFINALS - Peaks of Baekdu.
nada's dropships pick up golis in main, 2 dship of iris go to 3 island, drop an scv.
looks like 10 goli for nada in front of nat, iris picks up golis to fight off nada's dships that were prolly empty, nada then goes into the nat from the front
nada goes in with 6 goli at iris nat now. iris' dships were at bottom of map, come back and drop 6 goli, nada kills more units, but since fight is at iris nat, iris able to reinfoce.
I really believe Casy can and will take down sAviOr because he is amazing on island maps! Especially on 815 lll! Mah Jae Yoon is amazing on that maps for a zerg, though.
The more interesting final would be sAviOr vs NaDa I think!
On March 17 2007 01:06 G.s)NarutO wrote: That fake drop is a must in pimpest playes 2007!
eh, it was good but hardly pimpest material
Its always pimp to pull something like that off when you are behind. Nada was far behind economically and even unitwise but this way he split iris troops into 2 groups and killed a dropship.. it was really pimp i think;D
if casy beat savior nada will win this, otherwise savior :O
On March 17 2007 01:06 G.s)NarutO wrote: That fake drop is a must in pimpest playes 2007!
eh, it was good but hardly pimpest material
Its always pimp to pull something like that off when you are behind. Nada was far behind economically and even unitwise but this way he split iris troops into 2 groups and killed a dropship.. it was really pimp i think;D
if casy beat savior nada will win this, otherwise savior :O
(lol naruto beat me to it)
i dont think nada was that far economically, i think they were kinda even
yeah not sooo far but he was behind. He opened offensive and iris did FE and defended vs the drops.. in that scenario you have to pull something off and Nada did.
Even a slight disadvantage is big trouble in these games....
by the way.. does anyone know what "Chshhhchhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!" means? i often hear commentator saying that it sounds REALLY wierd... is it a word or what lol
WEATHER UPDATE: big and UGLY orange clouds have been forecast for the HILL 815 region today, together with raining plague... TERRANS ARE ADVISED TO STAAY AWAY
On March 17 2007 01:23 -MrC- wrote: WEATHER UPDATE: big and UGLY orange clouds have been forecast for the HILL 815 region today, together with raining plague... TERRANS ARE ADVISED TO STAAY AWAY
drones kill the bunker builds scv, next scv building, savior kills 2 rines, 1 survives, gets in, WOW casy avoids drones and gets 2nd rine in teh bunker
On March 17 2007 01:27 MYM.Testie wrote: A luck based build that would not have worked had positions / scouting been different. A gay way to to get 1-0 off Savior.
I agree. this is not the start savior wants after getting 0-3:ed by bisu:O anyway he'll rape casy next game
Yes, lame game indeed. Btw, I don't understand why 815 is in the map pool although the natural expansion has no gas. Clear disadvantage for Zergs if you ask me. Combine that with a cheesy bunker rush like we saw and you'll see Zerg having "nothing" against a normal Terran force.
On March 17 2007 01:41 Brutalisk wrote: Yes, lame game indeed. Btw, I don't understand why 815 is in the map pool although the natural expansion has no gas. Clear disadvantage for Zergs if you ask me. Combine that with a cheesy bunker rush like we saw and you'll see Zerg having "nothing" against a normal Terran force.
815 may not be a total Zerg map neither it is a total terran map! The mini ramps are good to save expansions with lurkers... sAviOr mostly puts sunkens on his expansions so you would have to drop tanks too... thats bad for terran! You see, there are advantages and disadvantages.
On March 17 2007 01:41 Brutalisk wrote: Yes, lame game indeed. Btw, I don't understand why 815 is in the map pool although the natural expansion has no gas. Clear disadvantage for Zergs if you ask me. Combine that with a cheesy bunker rush like we saw and you'll see Zerg having "nothing" against a normal Terran force.
815 may not be a total Zerg map neither it is a total terran map! The mini ramps are good to save expansions with lurkers... sAviOr mostly puts sunkens on his expansions so you would have to drop tanks too... thats bad for terran! You see, there are advantages and disadvantages.
uhh..all maps without a gas at natural favor zerg over terran heavily. who cares if he has that expansion, by the time you actually get that 2nd gas running you have a giant terran force on your doorstep.
On March 17 2007 01:41 Brutalisk wrote: Yes, lame game indeed. Btw, I don't understand why 815 is in the map pool although the natural expansion has no gas. Clear disadvantage for Zergs if you ask me. Combine that with a cheesy bunker rush like we saw and you'll see Zerg having "nothing" against a normal Terran force.
815 is in the map pool because Casy picked it (each player picked one map; NaDa picked Neo Arkanoid, Iris picked RLT, sAviOr picked peaks). No gas at expo doesn't always mean it sucks for zerg; if done right it may give equal effects to all races and encourage different play styles/build orders. Nostalgia 1.3 is the perfect example of that.
(I'm not confirming or denying 815 being imba; I haven't seen enough games to see conclusive proof of a presence or lack of it.)
mnm at nat for casy, starport finishes, hmm i dont see turrets, casy moves out, lings surround, wow casy manages to not die to the mass speedling though, goes back into his nat
I'm huge Terran fan, but if Casy continues with playing 8 rax I will start to cheer for sAviOr! I want to see sAviOr vs NaDa anyway.. though^^' Arkanoid O_O;;
What I like about Savior is his "low" APM compared to Casy or Nada's impressive ~300-500. I'm just wondering if Terran on this level "need" so many APM to play well or is Casy just a "spammer" as well?
casy tries to go into casy main again, oO savior not seeing lings attack bunker at his nat. casy cancels acad, 5 rines trying to kill the rines in his main, 2 more lings they die, savior expanded to 5. 3 rines for casy. savior lair
Casy did better than Nada imho... he was aggressive from the get go and actually put Savior in trouble more than once. If Nada could do that he might have a chance otherwise, if he goes his usual FE and let Savior build up his econ it's pretty much gg.
lol that's a pretty silly prediction. I guess it's possible, but highly, highly, highly unlikely :O
Call me silly or dumb or whatever...I don't care. NaDa's playing style TvZ on island and half island maps is in my opinion great! So... its just a prediction though.
Oops sorry. Yea IriS is terran, but NaDa used to be a fucking scary TvZ monster. Considering last season. Shinhan 2 he played Anytime for the finals, and until the semi/finals of ShinHan3 NaDa play was pretty mediocre for himself anyways.
"Go go sAviOr, show the otter the beautiful of the Maestro's melody! Show him the beautiful of the enormous Ultralisk, the savageness of Zergling Swarm, the Deadly Spines of Lurker, the power of venomous Defiler. Crush all his vessels with massive Scourge force, enare his all army with the Quen, bormbard him with your faithful Guardian."
Has anyone noticed that terran doesn't have High tech unlike protoss and zerg (defilers, ultra, guardians, devourers, HT, DT, DA, Archons, Carriers, Reavers). All terran really has is Vessels, and ghosts but people hardly use them. I wish people used nukes really often, in standard games, not BoxeRish games.
On March 17 2007 02:57 KizZBG wrote: Post your fan stuff now! :DD
"Go go sAviOr, show the otter the beautiful of the Maestro's melody! Show him the beautiful of the enormous Ultralisk, the savageness of Zergling Swarm, the Deadly Spines of Lurker, the power of venomous Defiler. Crush all his vessels with massive Scourge force, enare his all army with the Quen, bormbard him with your faithful Guardian."
On March 17 2007 02:47 s4life wrote: Casy did better than Nada imho... he was aggressive from the get go and actually put Savior in trouble more than once. If Nada could do that he might have a chance otherwise, if he goes his usual FE and let Savior build up his econ it's pretty much gg.
Yes. Casy did the right thing vs. Savior, but Savior adapted to that micro-intense style and pulled out some amazing micro himself, then still won it. His ZvT skills are really incredible. NaDa will have a hard time, again. I predict 3:1 for Savior once more.
well he lost 6 or so drones trying to kill the first marines that fucked his economy i'll go with Naruto but a sunk could draw fire from the hatchery and it could survived (the hatch)
nada breaking the north neutrals of savior with mnm, checks for savior units for a second, goes back to breakign them, lings kill a turret outside savior's main.
lurks burrow at the north nat, queen's nest already
tahnks siege, nada moves in with mnm, lings menting to mnm, defiler out, rines chasing thedefiler, defiler dies, 1 tank dies to lurkes as the mnm tanks kill the north nat, 3 lurks burrow, nada no scan, lsoing army ther
NaDa were never in trouble, he did a great job with holding sAviOr in his base. He also micro'ed his units this time.. last time he just lost them. I think you still saw how good sAviOr is.. he managed to expand on another place and managed to hold it for a while.
lings rush ingto nada's nat, lings surround rines, rines go into bunker, scv repair late, 2nd rax just finihses, all scv out to fight, more and more lings run in, 3 hatch lings.
Interesting that Savior tried that. That was really risky. @Naruto: A failed bunker rush usually doesn't leave the Terran too far behind, he can easily recover. But all-ling like that is do-or-die. So there's definately a difference, although both can be seen as "cheese". Savior took a high risk there, and thank god he won it.
And Nada played really well in 2nd game, I was surprised.
On March 17 2007 04:13 Brutalisk wrote: Interesting that Savior tried that. That was really risky. @Naruto: A failed bunker rush usually doesn't leave the Terran too far behind, he can easily recover. But all-ling like that is do-or-die. So there's definately a difference, although both can be seen as "cheese". Savior took a high risk there, and thank god he won it.
And Nada played really well in 2nd game, I was surprised.
It was 8 rax 6 scv bunkerrush;; That leaves you far far far behind if you fuck it up.
On March 17 2007 04:07 bine wrote: hell yea that was pure sex
You voted bunkerrush for shittiest game, but massing lings go was pure sex? ~
hahaha pwned :D
yep. one's ultra-standard, super boring, and wins by putting one player at a disadvantage such that he just quits without anything even really happening in the game, while the latter (the sexy one) decisively and surprisingly wins the game and requires balls out the yang.
On March 17 2007 04:24 thedeadhaji wrote: Thanks to the guys in teh vent channel Day[9] yubee panorama yubee's firend shit sry i forgot ur ID funkie and one more guy :O
It was fun
Don't forget 1esu who died from awesomeness overload.
But yeah, the vent touch was nice, added a fun element to the matches .
Ok Nada played well, I think he deserved it (except for game 1 IMHO). 3:2 Nada would have been a "better" result. But Savior really should have seen that m&m attack coming and made sunkens earlier. I know that he needed to rebuild drones but his lack of sunkens once more has clearly cost him the game. Quite sad.
well well... the mediocre terran lives up to his name and takes a mediocre victory... good thing we wont see him winning any starleague again... i have rarely ever seen the significantly worse player win matches since josez vs boxer >_< sux sux sux go iris~~ go savior~~
NaDa looked as good as he ever has. He didn't just beat, he completely raped, sAviOr to get his revenge. His micro was absolutely perfect. That Fact float in the final game which lead to some hero Vultures was so awesome. Not only that he raped IriS as well, who is incredible at TvT.
NaDa vs. IriS on Peeks was the best game of the night, all the others were pretty one-sided. Funny that it happens to be one of the games NaDa lost.
If he keeps playing at the level he did tonight, I don't think anyone can beat him. #1 in next Power Rank please.
On March 17 2007 04:44 Kaolla wrote: well well... the mediocre terran lives up to his name and takes a mediocre victory... good thing we wont see him winning any starleague again... i have rarely ever seen the significantly worse player win matches since josez vs boxer >_< sux sux sux go iris~~ go savior~~
Kaolla, you're fucking dellusional if you think NaDa played mediocre today, and if he did then sAviOr played like an absolute turd. Your trolling in the sc2.org chat was equally retarded, just stfu.
On March 17 2007 04:45 muramasa wrote:If he keeps playing at the level he did tonight, I don't think anyone can beat him. #1 in next Power Rank please.
Oov in shape!
Anyways just finished watching all the games and nada played amazingly!
On March 17 2007 05:10 Adamthegreat wrote: I didn't see the games, but didn't have sort of a big advantage by having seen saviors strats when he played Casy?
Or did he alter his strats to the games vs Nada?
he lpayed different strats against nada, however I think u are right it is a big advantage to see your opponent playing just before u play against him, but again however we can add that savior practiced only versus terrans and that was also some kind of advantage
On March 17 2007 05:10 Adamthegreat wrote: I didn't see the games, but didn't have sort of a big advantage by having seen saviors strats when he played Casy?
Or did he alter his strats to the games vs Nada?
He had the same advantage going into last seasons finals with savior playing a bo5 against hwasin and iris, even though there was more time in between offcourse.
Is there gonna be an interview btw? And whats the reward for winning the shinhan masters? sorry if this was already answered elsewhere.
On March 17 2007 04:30 KizZBG wrote: Congrats to NaDa. It took him years to finally beat Savior tho. :D
haha i'm not sure about "years" since their first main matchup was superfight 2 in like november. of 2006
On March 17 2007 05:37 Kaolla wrote: and thank you for some translations infinity (i think tiwas you at least in the start right?~) hmm whats the meaning of those stars btw? ~
stars are handed out periodically to the posters who contribute greatly to the community.
1-3 SuperFight. 1-3 ShinHan 3 Finals. I dunno about MSL defeats.. 3-1 Shinhan Masters on 815, RLT, Arkanoid -________-;; GJ NADA!!
Still, give the man props and I'm glad Savior is starting to lose, and yet, miss it at the same time. I was sorta hoping for the emergence of a new hero.. I guess Bisu did rise...
On March 17 2007 06:01 SuperJongMan wrote: 1-3 SuperFight. 1-3 ShinHan 3 Finals. I dunno about MSL defeats.. 3-1 Shinhan Masters on 815, RLT, Arkanoid -________-;; GJ NADA!!
Still, give the man props and I'm glad Savior is starting to lose, and yet, miss it at the same time. I was sorta hoping for the emergence of a new hero.. I guess Bisu did rise...
Savior also beat Nada in the WEF 2006 tournament final BO5 that was held in China. Not official, official I know, but still a tournament. Yellow and Kingdom also must have participated in it because they were in the crowd watching the final. Can't remember if it was 3-0 or 3-1 though ^^.
edit: source wikipedia:
Winner of WEF (World e-sports Festival):
sAviOr over iloveoov (2005) sAviOr over NaDa (2006)
oh no... my god gotta defeated nada is a damn monster :D but I think he isn't that good like some years ago. I hope this will be a motivation for oov...cmon monster terran fighting! btw gg's by nada!
We are sorry to inform you that your translation services are no longer required. We here at T.L. Inc. are at a great loss, for you were one of our hardest and top quality workers. In place of your services, I, ilovezil, shall be translating this article. We will miss you very much; however, it is time for you to do your English homework and move on.
On March 17 2007 04:44 Kaolla wrote: well well... the mediocre terran lives up to his name and takes a mediocre victory... good thing we wont see him winning any starleague again... i have rarely ever seen the significantly worse player win matches since josez vs boxer >_< sux sux sux go iris~~ go savior~~
I'm so proud of you Nada. Please keep this sort of playing up! woot! Casy, you showed awesome micro display, and I think your "Casy-style" t v z is unique, lot of potential. Iris, you pulled a "Casy" during game 3, and it was superb to watch. Your scv-drop is still somewhat unsexy, but your fan base is definitely growing, and your appearance is much improved. No cj vs cj though, and I am quite glad. I was expecting either Savior vs Nada or Casy. Seems appropriate enough to allow Nada a re-match.
Maybe the break between Savior vs Casy and Savior vs Nada was too short... Nada had almost an hour to rest while Savior got about fifteen. Of course, Nada played beautifully still... Savior still skimping on his sunkens...
On March 17 2007 16:25 MaZza[KIS] wrote: just droppin a post to say "gg nada!"
I would say that nada is no.1 when it come to the mechanics of the game (micro/macro). However, time and time again savior's had MUCH better timing.
I think, if Nada gets in the zone and fixes up his timing he will be an unstoppable force. More so than now!
It's commonly said that NaDa is just a mechanics monster with low game sense (at least compared to other top pros).
However, in interviews, his opponents consistently say that he's one of the most improvisational and unpredictable - We saw a good bit of NaDa's creativity today with his very aggressive play in games 1, 2, 4 vs sAviOr.
Also vs Casy games 1 and 2 from Shinhan 3, his strange build orders did very well, whereas his standard ones were less strong.
Nada is truly a beast at all aspects in all matchups. Scary.
On March 17 2007 04:24 thedeadhaji wrote: and one more guy :O
I was sort of active (but no one knew me 'cause I've never been around tl before...). And then I went to sleep just before the finals. Kind of wish I hadn't done that now. The vods were fun, but vent would've been even more fun with these builds.
On March 17 2007 04:24 thedeadhaji wrote: and one more guy :O
I was sort of active (but no one knew me 'cause I've never been around tl before...). And then I went to sleep just before the finals. Kind of wish I hadn't done that now. The vods were fun, but vent would've been even more fun with these builds.
whats the server details for the vent server. is this open to everyone when there are games on?
great games, nada played like the terran genius he is, especilly in the games vs iris, complete ownage
i think top pros are realizing that standard play vs savior is not such a good idea, notice how he got rushed in the first game of both bo5 he played, that was a good move by the Ts because it gives them momentum for the mental side of the match... i guess casy just lost it after the first game though, he got trampled
Nada's play was almost as close to perfection you can get. And his sick "cheese" in the last game was also a incredible display of both tactic and micro. The game on Arkanoid was also maybe his best game this year.
the only map that really sucked was peaks, which is a bag full of shit of a map so nada had to proxy in which the unit pathing gets messed up and you have to manually move your stuff around every time, the other maps were ok
nada is an arrogant nerd, did you see how gay he was acting when he won. making up a sign then pointing to his badges? he looked so awkward and geeky. everyone says sAv was cocky but nada takes the cake in his buck teeth. nada didnt outplay sav at all. bunker rush and no sunkens makes nada >sAv. hes up on nada 2-1 in series, cheese whore.
On March 18 2007 19:37 Instigata wrote: nada is an arrogant nerd, did you see how gay he was acting when he won. making up a sign then pointing to his badges? he looked so awkward and geeky. everyone says sAv was cocky but nada takes the cake in his buck teeth. nada didnt outplay sav at all. bunker rush and no sunkens makes nada >sAv. hes up on nada 2-1 in series, cheese whore.
Serious Anti-Nada ..
Even though I am a true savior fanboy, NaDa was already humiliated by sAviOr in one final, I think he deserved one win against savior. I thought NaDa's play was inspirational and well timed myself. You say cheese, I say good strategies. We all know how good sAviOr is once he gets his swarm on, so why not beat him before he gets to hive tech?
On March 18 2007 16:21 Sabbath wrote: the only map that really sucked was peaks, which is a bag full of shit of a map so nada had to proxy in which the unit pathing gets messed up and you have to manually move your stuff around every time, the other maps were ok
How does Peaks of Baekdu suck? It produces the best games I have ever seen, go look at some VODs. It is quite balanced and fun to play on, the terrain forces you too make intelligent troop movement and the pathing isn't that difficult, you just have to place smarter rally points and control your army a bit better/different.
On March 18 2007 19:37 Instigata wrote: nada is an arrogant nerd, did you see how gay he was acting when he won. making up a sign then pointing to his badges? he looked so awkward and geeky. everyone says sAv was cocky but nada takes the cake in his buck teeth. nada didnt outplay sav at all. bunker rush and no sunkens makes nada >sAv. hes up on nada 2-1 in series, cheese whore.
Yeah why don't you QQ more fanboy, stop trying to take it away from NaDa. I'm a fanboy sure, but I didn't try and say that NaDa had a penile infection that prevented him from beating Savior. LZOLZOLZ OH NOES A BUNKER RUSH.
On March 18 2007 19:37 Instigata wrote: nada is an arrogant nerd, did you see how gay he was acting when he won. making up a sign then pointing to his badges? he looked so awkward and geeky. everyone says sAv was cocky but nada takes the cake in his buck teeth. nada didnt outplay sav at all. bunker rush and no sunkens makes nada >sAv. hes up on nada 2-1 in series, cheese whore.
Yeah why don't you QQ more fanboy, stop trying to take it away from NaDa. I'm a fanboy sure, but I didn't try and say that NaDa had a penile infection that prevented him from beating Savior. LZOLZOLZ OH NOES A BUNKER RUSH.
Just shut the fuck up.
Its kind of ironic actually.
In NaDa's prime, he was unbeatable. Eventually people started cheesing him early game to take away his macro advantage.
Now terrans are doing early cheese to throw off savior's 3hatch power drone macro.
On March 18 2007 19:37 Instigata wrote: nada is an arrogant nerd, did you see how gay he was acting when he won. making up a sign then pointing to his badges? he looked so awkward and geeky. everyone says sAv was cocky but nada takes the cake in his buck teeth. nada didnt outplay sav at all. bunker rush and no sunkens makes nada >sAv. hes up on nada 2-1 in series, cheese whore.
ugh reminds me of ghemtv starleague where he changed his username to GRANDSLAM for the semi-finals/finals, I havn't seen the masters games yet but I'm expecting to see 3 consecutive cheese rushes from nada just like ghemtv :D
Starcraft is not Macro nor late game. Starcraft = all possible aspects of the game mixed together, so if savior cant handle a bunk rush maybe he should alter his strategy or practice some more (like thats possible ^.^)
On March 18 2007 16:16 red.venom wrote: 815 is so gay: ] The map lineup here was just roflll
ya the maps were pretty rotten for ZvT, all Nada had to do was put in a solid effort and utilize the maps terran advantages and not much savior could do.
savior may be good but even he needs a little help from the map pool!
The map pools nowadays, as much as they're complained about, are actually fairly passable. I mean, there aren't the travesties that were NFZ, HoV, Paradoxxx - imbalance nowadays is like 60-40, or 55-45 none of the crazy 80-20 stuff [at times some maps are, but then the losing side figures something out - examples, Arcadia II, Longinus II]
On March 18 2007 16:16 red.venom wrote: 815 is so gay: ] The map lineup here was just roflll
ya the maps were pretty rotten for ZvT, all Nada had to do was put in a solid effort and utilize the maps terran advantages and not much savior could do.
savior may be good but even he needs a little help from the map pool!
Wow, people need to stop complaining about balance.
Hitchhiker was overwhelmingly favorable for terran when it first came out, but zerg started to dominate on it.
Also for this Master Series... Arkanoid is extremely hard for terran to win against zerg on, yet NaDa did it against the best.
haha you guys are dumb, i'm pretty sure if you asked savior his opinion he'd be pretty sour about the map pool. but yeah, you guys are the pros so i shouldn't even bother disagreeing!
On March 22 2007 16:04 a-game wrote: haha you guys are dumb, i'm pretty sure if you asked savior his opinion he'd be pretty sour about the map pool. but yeah, you guys are the pros so i shouldn't even bother disagreeing!
.....you've talked to savior? how is your opinion different from anyone else's save for the added cynicism?
" ▶I’m very happy. All I can say is thanks. I have worked so hard for today’s match. The maps were so hard for Zerg I practiced so much looking for answers."
Let's all use them for this year's WCG. Surely no one will complain since now people will be force to play on these balance maps that is 815, Reverse Lost Temple & Neo Arkanoid.
Even if the map was TvZ 100:10, the statistics doesn't mean anything since we know the Zerg player just wasn't good enough like always.
Maps like Tau Cross & Blitz X sucks because somehow Zerg and Protoss players beat Terran. Terran players are always better so how can they lose?
/sarcasm
Whenever I watch the Starleague qualifier games on these maps, I usually just fast forward it since the ending is kind of predictable most of the time.
On March 23 2007 11:07 MaGic~PhiL wrote: for sure he blames the maps.. what else should he do..
guys.. dont take away credit from NaDa's wins. NO one did when savior won vs NaDa.. or Bisu won vs Savior..
T_T
=)
I don't like nada. I don't like savior.
But Nada pulled a hidden metal dildo from his back pocket and raped savior from behind with savior facing the front holding his dick out to rape him instead.
I want to them to fuck themselves face to face, these games sucked ass and clearly don't show the real strength of skills of both players.
The map pool is unbalanced cus there's the imbalance of race: 3 terrans and 1 zerg. If there'd been 2 zergs and 2 terrans there'd be no complaints.
Terran players have the luxury of knowing that for years they've dominated the scene. Not to take anything away from nada, but his dominance is nothing like savior's.
Terran players have the luxury of knowing that for years they've dominated the scene. Not to take anything away from nada, but his dominance is nothing like savior's.
U are such a big idiot. I wonder why you arent banned already.
Luxury of knowing that they dominated .. omg wtf ? NaDa's dominance is like 3 X times saviors dominance ? NaDa plays successfully since .. 01 ? or 02 ? Thats 5 years.. playing with the best and winning vs the best..
I find this more impressive than winning vs everyone for a few month and then losing and winning some.. we'll have yet to see how well saviors keeps doing ..
but as for now.. no one can touch NaDa in terms of success ans dominance.. for such a long time..
On March 23 2007 18:54 MaGic~PhiL wrote: Luxury of knowing that they dominated .. omg wtf ? NaDa's dominance is like 3 X times saviors dominance ? NaDa plays successfully since .. 01 ? or 02 ? Thats 5 years.. playing with the best and winning vs the best..
He's saying Terrans constantly win Starleague while Savior has been the 2nd Zerg to ever win OGN Starleagues.
Terran players have the luxury of knowing that for years they've dominated the scene. Not to take anything away from nada, but his dominance is nothing like savior's.
U are such a big idiot. I wonder why you arent banned already.
Luxury of knowing that they dominated .. omg wtf ? NaDa's dominance is like 3 X times saviors dominance ? NaDa plays successfully since .. 01 ? or 02 ? Thats 5 years.. playing with the best and winning vs the best..
I find this more impressive than winning vs everyone for a few month and then losing and winning some.. we'll have yet to see how well saviors keeps doing ..
but as for now.. no one can touch NaDa in terms of success ans dominance.. for such a long time..
Savior has been doing his thing for a couple of years now too, not just a 'few months'. I think Savior's dominance easily compares to Nada and iloveoov's, both in terms of time and skill. You're right about Nada's consistency being incredible, and I believe that it is what seperates him from all other progamers. But you cant say that NaDa has been dominant since 2002... I think his reign ended about 2004/2005 with oov's emergence.
Uzoo, which started his dominance, started 4/21/05, which would make it roughly two years. Why are you nit-picking anyway even if you count it as 18 months thats still pretty much an eternity relative to pro-gaming's age, with a 'couple years' meant to express that not give an exact time period. How about he dominated for roughly 570.2 days, is that ok with you?
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