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Hong Kong20321 Posts
On February 16 2007 04:52 Vin[MBL] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2007 04:49 alffla wrote:On February 16 2007 04:47 GoBOXERgogo wrote:
It doesn't look like we're arguing much. All I'm trying to say is when you really look at the games..iris just simply isn't at that level yet. He has the macro, the openers, just not the execution or the micro. if you really look at all his games you can see how much he fucks up. Luckily though in TvT and TvP he doesn't need such good micro and lightning decesions so he excells in them. yeah, iris isn't at saviors level. but he could still qualify as an S level tvz no? just cuz savior played better ;\ Iris is a progamer kk? his TvZ level was not up to par with other progamers right? but this game he showed some real LEET SKILLZZZ BUT being at the PROGAMER level relative to YOU or any person that posts on this site he will own you so badly in tvz,,,, just my $.02
haha that argument has been done 2 billion times on tl.net ;P never works if u start going about relative skill to TL forum members ~_~
but anyway..
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On February 16 2007 04:51 alffla wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2007 04:50 Vin[MBL] wrote:On February 16 2007 04:48 Hot_Bid wrote:
no i was talking to GoBOXERgogo, who imo was being overly critical of iris. you may not think he's S class TvZ but he played like it this series.
vin i think there are a ton of people who hate savior, just check out any livereport of a savior game, there are a ton of ridiculously biased comments.
i think its only cuz i have this weird pesonality where i dont like thing swhen tons of people like it eg. i LOVED LotR and when part 2 came out and everyone "swarmed" it i was like wtf  same thing with harry potter lol so you're 'non-conformist' and 'non-mainstream' and shit hahah conforming to the trend of non-conformistism!! 
i dunno if its THAT bad... i still like mainstream music etc.
hmm its really only if its REALLY REALLY BIG where EVERYONE is like ZOMG LOTR IS THAR PWNAGE ZOMZOMZOZMZOZMZOMZOZMOZMOMZOZMOZMOZM >_>
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On February 16 2007 04:51 alffla wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2007 04:50 Vin[MBL] wrote:On February 16 2007 04:48 Hot_Bid wrote:
no i was talking to GoBOXERgogo, who imo was being overly critical of iris. you may not think he's S class TvZ but he played like it this series.
vin i think there are a ton of people who hate savior, just check out any livereport of a savior game, there are a ton of ridiculously biased comments.
i think its only cuz i have this weird pesonality where i dont like thing swhen tons of people like it eg. i LOVED LotR and when part 2 came out and everyone "swarmed" it i was like wtf same thing with harry potter lol so you're 'non-conformist' and 'non-mainstream' and shit hahah conforming to the trend of non-conformistism!!
Ya, it's much worse than "sheep" or "bandwagon followers" because non-conformists are not only illogical (like the former) but also by definition hypocrites.
Actually, I think a lot of people do genuinely like savior because of his play style, and a lot of people genuinely dislike him because of his demeanor (or also his play style).
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On February 16 2007 04:53 alffla wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2007 04:52 Vin[MBL] wrote:On February 16 2007 04:49 alffla wrote:On February 16 2007 04:47 GoBOXERgogo wrote:
It doesn't look like we're arguing much. All I'm trying to say is when you really look at the games..iris just simply isn't at that level yet. He has the macro, the openers, just not the execution or the micro. if you really look at all his games you can see how much he fucks up. Luckily though in TvT and TvP he doesn't need such good micro and lightning decesions so he excells in them. yeah, iris isn't at saviors level. but he could still qualify as an S level tvz no? just cuz savior played better ;\ Iris is a progamer kk? his TvZ level was not up to par with other progamers right? but this game he showed some real LEET SKILLZZZ BUT being at the PROGAMER level relative to YOU or any person that posts on this site he will own you so badly in tvz,,,, just my $.02 haha that argument has been done 2 billion times on tl.net ;P never works if u start going about relative skill to TL forum members ~_~ but anyway..
but then again... footballer commentators can say how much crap some players are....
so we should be able to say some players are crap? considering some of those commentators are overwieght?
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well one of the reasons savior went 5 games these last two days was is unconventional build orders. in game 5 vs iris he went 1 hat muta and yet still won - that's amazing. he's also been 9 pooling and 2 hatching a lot more. perhaps these are due to the maps, or just the fact that they are semi-finals. in any case, his specialization is 3 hat, and when he doesnt 3 hat the games are closer. but still savior manages to pull a win, which goes to show how good he is.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
On February 16 2007 04:56 Vin[MBL] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2007 04:53 alffla wrote:On February 16 2007 04:52 Vin[MBL] wrote:On February 16 2007 04:49 alffla wrote:On February 16 2007 04:47 GoBOXERgogo wrote:
It doesn't look like we're arguing much. All I'm trying to say is when you really look at the games..iris just simply isn't at that level yet. He has the macro, the openers, just not the execution or the micro. if you really look at all his games you can see how much he fucks up. Luckily though in TvT and TvP he doesn't need such good micro and lightning decesions so he excells in them. yeah, iris isn't at saviors level. but he could still qualify as an S level tvz no? just cuz savior played better ;\ Iris is a progamer kk? his TvZ level was not up to par with other progamers right? but this game he showed some real LEET SKILLZZZ BUT being at the PROGAMER level relative to YOU or any person that posts on this site he will own you so badly in tvz,,,, just my $.02 haha that argument has been done 2 billion times on tl.net ;P never works if u start going about relative skill to TL forum members ~_~ but anyway.. but then again... footballer commentators can say how much crap some players are.... so we should be able to say some players are crap? considering some of those commentators are overwieght?
well basically theres 2 sides to this. basically that :
outside spectators' judgements of the players are valid
or not, because we haven't / can't even played the game to their level.
O_o;;
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On February 16 2007 04:54 Vin[MBL] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2007 04:51 alffla wrote:On February 16 2007 04:50 Vin[MBL] wrote:On February 16 2007 04:48 Hot_Bid wrote:
no i was talking to GoBOXERgogo, who imo was being overly critical of iris. you may not think he's S class TvZ but he played like it this series.
vin i think there are a ton of people who hate savior, just check out any livereport of a savior game, there are a ton of ridiculously biased comments.
i think its only cuz i have this weird pesonality where i dont like thing swhen tons of people like it eg. i LOVED LotR and when part 2 came out and everyone "swarmed" it i was like wtf same thing with harry potter lol so you're 'non-conformist' and 'non-mainstream' and shit hahah conforming to the trend of non-conformistism!! i dunno if its THAT bad... i still like mainstream music etc. hmm its really only if its REALLY REALLY BIG where EVERYONE is like ZOMG LOTR IS THAR PWNAGE ZOMZOMZOZMZOZMZOMZOZMOZMOMZOZMOZMOZM >_> Starcraft is a game of skill. Not everyone likes him for his 'style' or anything like that. Just because he IS so godly. It's just a fact. And even then there's people who still don't. You either appreciate greatness or you don't
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i dont like him because he is SO dominating omg
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Russian Federation1953 Posts
Watch NaDa beat him in finals 3:1
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yes im all for NaDa
when is the date of the match though?
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On February 16 2007 05:06 Vin[MBL] wrote:i dont like him because he is SO dominating omg
I don't understand why people still like Nada then...
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If only iris hadn't lost these 3 dropships that were going to rape bottom left expands, he would probably have won
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Good that OSL has match for 3rd place.
Now we shall all see which one is better Iris or Casy.
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On February 16 2007 05:23 amoxicilline wrote:
If only iris hadn't lost these 3 dropships that were going to rape bottom left expands, he would probably have won
werent those dropships mostly filled with scv to his own expo?`
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I knew Savior was gonna win but Iris performed better than expect oh impressed.
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If you would have exchanged iris with NaDa in the 5th game, after the early game savior wouldnt have won.
Still this was just awesome and totally inspiring. I still cant really say what i feel all about this game. If i try to write some things down all the scenes rush into my mind and im just still so excited and basicaly laughing and shaking my head..
Savior was so close to losing, but he microed, macroed , expanded, perfectly set swarms, plagues , dropped, did the right decisions.
One scene for example was just such a perfect example. 20 m&ms fight vs ~ 12-20 hyds. 8 vessels or so are above the m&m's . Savior fights , stays fighting, loses one hyd after the other, suddenly second after second scourges come flying in and when the last scourge kills the vessel , the last hydra dies and iris has no vessels left. THe observers go back to saviors expos and mains and u see some defilers some lings some hyds ans some lurks. That and many other actions are just so amazing if u have a clue of bw...
His ability is just awesome..
and after all these anthems for savior a little small thing
Who knew ipxzerg ; savior[gm] 2000 ? No one. 01?02?03?04?05?
When did Savior start owning it up ? Well i dont know exactly..
When did NaDa start owning it up and still being around at the top forever ? 02 ? I dont know exactly, and i dont even care when nada started his professional play, but i just want to remind u of one thing : Savior right now has the best play and is right now the most amazing and best player to watch. He is successful like only Grrrr, Boxer, Iloveoov and NaDa have been before. YOu can add July maybe..
But until Savior cant show me that he will play at the top as long as NaDa i wont call him the best player of all time.
Right now for me its like that :
The Oldschool Legend and first real pro gamer; the best player for a long time and the pre replay gosu : Grrrr... almost forgotten by some, still a Legend
The One , The gamer who made the game the most popular , who just had the biggest impact on the game, ever : Boxer, the legend, the Emporer, the King
The most successful and probably the best Terran in terms of gaming skills, ever. Almost perfect at every match up not showing any weakness, be it macro , micro or strategy. He is the player to stay at the top and around the top for the longest time. NaDa isnt ruling for a year or two like oov or july. NaDa isnt just good in his prime like Boxer, Grrrr.., Garimto, oov, anytime, july .. which all lost a little bit of their touch, couldnt keep up or retired; NaDa is just around for all the time and he almost always rocks..
After finishin the praises for Savior vs NaDa. One last thing :
The Final is the perfect final, imho. NaDa is the consitency in person and savior the arising force which is looking invincible and totally out of control, raping everything.
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gG's and <3 iris for his effort <3 Savior for this game, thank you and <3 NaDa for everything
PhiL
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Did you drink while watching the games?
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On February 16 2007 05:38 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
If you would have exchanged iris with NaDa in the 5th game, after the early game savior wouldnt have won.
damn you're right! also if you exchange iris's body for michael jordan he would be really good at basketball!
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no one knows the finals date?
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EPT
