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TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10715 Posts
August 25 2015 15:02 GMT
#201
The amount of team rigging / everyone scrambling to get the top EU players is kind of silly and unprofessional...kind of discouraging.
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6922 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-25 15:08:17
August 25 2015 15:06 GMT
#202
On August 26 2015 00:02 GGzerG wrote:
The amount of team rigging / everyone scrambling to get the top EU players is kind of silly and unprofessional...kind of discouraging.

trust me i will be the first to protest for imbalance team,but in the past we were part of germany and no one protest ?,now germany kicked us and want to be a pure team,if you think dsaqwe zaraki eonzerg is the most imbalance you ever see,then look at poland team ,i not want to offend my comrades but right now they arent even c+ lvl to fight in a nationwar,even in their prime they were like B- ,so yeah,just look how i already said sziky will be to much for our team -.-

Sweden/Poland/Germany got very good players for 2v2,since Sweden is packed i thought nizzy will help us alot for 2v2 but looks like Sweden has still preference.
awerti
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
227 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-25 15:32:37
August 25 2015 15:18 GMT
#203
I am still waiting for Russia to register and field a solid team.
LancerX, Tama, Malkiyah, Funny, Bylat, Werdi, Sea, TokyoA, Flisk and more... would be a good team :D
For Aiur!
Myujinsan
Profile Joined November 2008
France258 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-25 15:36:12
August 25 2015 15:35 GMT
#204
On August 26 2015 00:06 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
now germany kicked us and want to be a pure team


As French, history teached me to be scared here ...
GeckoXp
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Germany2016 Posts
August 25 2015 15:53 GMT
#205
On August 26 2015 00:06 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
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On August 26 2015 00:02 GGzerG wrote:
The amount of team rigging / everyone scrambling to get the top EU players is kind of silly and unprofessional...kind of discouraging.

trust me i will be the first to protest for imbalance team,but in the past we were part of germany and no one protest ?,now germany kicked us and want to be a pure team


We didn't kick anyone. So far we organized a team to play fun wars and only now entered the event. Honestly, I don't think anyone on our roster cares much for wins or not, as long as we can have fun. This being said, I think you should encourage event the lowest ranked players of your nation (and maybe neighbours) to participate. I don't think anyone can really expect to win this event with Poland showing such a skillful roster. And even if, what would you do with all that money?

Think about the money part for a second. You would get too famous in your country. You are then expected to do something great with the 400$ - like donating it to fund a new wing at the national galery. Or create a trust fund for orphaned kids. Or solve the refugee crisis. You will most likely be overwhelmed by what society puts on your shoulders - and starting to do drugs. Heroine incoming. Sure, you might marry the most beautiful woman, maybe get a kid or two, but you will constantly be under pressure. Are you sure you can take that? All the money and the fame? And even if you could, do you think the other members you share the gigantonormous prizes with could handle it? Do you want the truth?You can't handle the truth!.

Eon, we live in a world that has enormous prize pools, and this money has to be sniped by Polish Zerg with godlike APM. Who's gonna do it? You? You Captain Fearthequeen? Poland has a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Fusion Europe, and you curse them Zerg. You haven't got the luxury. You have the benefit of not knowing what the Polish know. That a denial of the fusion of Spain, France, UK and Germany, while tragic, probably safes lives. And the existence of Poland, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want Poland in that event, you need Poland in that event. Poland uses words like Zerg dominance, Sauron, 9 Pool. Poland uses these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. Poland neither has the time nor the inclination to explain itself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that they provide, and then questions the manner in which THE ORGANIZATION (INC) provides it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up team mates, and stand a post. Either way, THE ORGANIZATION (INC) doesn't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

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(this post degenerated from somewhat serious to silly, sorry for that, it's not to be taken seriously)
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6922 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-25 16:04:47
August 25 2015 16:01 GMT
#206
We can remove the prizepool and i will still do the same,but still im a competitive guy,im not hating poland or other nations are in a good shape,im just realistic that to be somewhat competitive we cant really stay with spain,actually now i saw eywa removed dsaqwer from us,he was suposed to be playing with us since the begin,same with contacting nizzy etc,plz tell me if at the end im doing efforts in vane eywa

i think Bulgary and Hungary should merge .
GeckoXp
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Germany2016 Posts
August 25 2015 16:25 GMT
#207
On August 26 2015 01:01 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
We can remove the prizepool and i will still do the same,but still im a competitive guy,im not hating poland or other nations are in a good shape,im just realistic that to be somewhat competitive we cant really stay with spain,actually now i saw eywa removed dsaqwer from us,he was suposed to be playing with us since the begin,same with contacting nizzy etc,plz tell me if at the end im doing efforts in vane eywa

i think Bulgary and Hungary should merge .


I know, it was meant in jest. The organization part was part of my initial questions, e.g. about who can merge with whom. I don't consider that to be your fault, it should've been written somewhere carefully. I could imagine a strong 'western EU' team with you, zaraki, FremAN, glio, Pauline and KenZy - plus maybe GB with poetic and Sacred.
I mean I get what "the organization" of this event tried to achieve and I'm kinda behind it. It'd be best for foreigners to try to feature the second class - those with high C+ and lower B ranks, regardless of how they'll perform later on. Get them to play, maybe we'll be surprised, who knows. The money isn't worth to really go competitive and wall-of-text (hi featherqueen :D) style. For now I really got some fun out of the national team stuff, I hope it'll remain this way.

Therefore, more trolling, less sisisissiouerness.
EBPNationWars
Profile Blog Joined August 2015
Great Britain245 Posts
August 25 2015 16:43 GMT
#208
On August 26 2015 01:01 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
We can remove the prizepool and i will still do the same,but still im a competitive guy,im not hating poland or other nations are in a good shape,im just realistic that to be somewhat competitive we cant really stay with spain,actually now i saw eywa removed dsaqwer from us,he was suposed to be playing with us since the begin,same with contacting nizzy etc,plz tell me if at the end im doing efforts in vane eywa

i think Bulgary and Hungary should merge .

dsaqwe was never intentionally excluded from your roster. He was just forgotten in the post (not even the whole post because he is mentioned just above...) I'm not sure Bulgaria/Hungary is a better merge, but your decision will be respected to go with England/France + surrounding countries. For Nizzy, it won't work unless Sweden doesn't take him.

It looks like Hungary won't participate in the tournament due to lack of players, so maybe non/vorti can make a team with other players from eastern/central europe. Everyone needs to understand that the borders for nations that can't form teams will be a little bit blurred just to make the event more accessible and enjoyable for everyone... It won't be the majority, only one or two teams will be made in this way.
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6922 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-25 16:46:20
August 25 2015 16:45 GMT
#209
On August 26 2015 01:43 EBPNationWars wrote:
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On August 26 2015 01:01 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
We can remove the prizepool and i will still do the same,but still im a competitive guy,im not hating poland or other nations are in a good shape,im just realistic that to be somewhat competitive we cant really stay with spain,actually now i saw eywa removed dsaqwer from us,he was suposed to be playing with us since the begin,same with contacting nizzy etc,plz tell me if at the end im doing efforts in vane eywa

i think Bulgary and Hungary should merge .

dsaqwe was never intentionally excluded from your roster. He was just forgotten in the post (not even the whole post because he is mentioned just above...) I'm not sure Bulgaria/Hungary is a better merge, but your decision will be respected to go with England/France + surrounding countries. For Nizzy, it won't work unless Sweden doesn't take him.

It looks like Hungary won't participate in the tournament due to lack of players, so maybe non/vorti can make a team with other players from eastern/central europe. Everyone needs to understand that the borders for nations that can't form teams will be a little bit blurred just to make the event more accessible and enjoyable for everyone... It won't be the majority, only one or two teams will be made in this way.

Bulgaria /Hungary could be a good match since i saw zergboy and others good bulgarian players in, + noname vorti and there is another top hungarian players active atm,also sziky will be back after summer.

the main reason i not want hungary is cuz then we really will have imba team with sziky -.-
fearthequeen
Profile Joined November 2011
United States788 Posts
August 25 2015 17:16 GMT
#210
My thoughts:
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Is merging Canada/USA on the table? While we are quite big geographically our active high level player pool is relatively small (Sero, Dragon... maybe a couple others if they practice up in the next few weeks) Also, teams like [PaiN] [eMg] and iNs. (where most of USA/Canada's rosters are from) are each made up of both Americans and Canadians, and these clans play together regularly and know each other already. It makes more sense for us to be playing together than competing against each other.

My biggest concern is that each of our current rosters is under 10 as well (and will continue to be unless some inactives start showing interest), so the chance of walkovers is going to be much higher without a merge. I'd rather not field a team that has a chance to be handing out walkovers.

I guess we'll see who else we can add to the roster this week.

NAKR`flying
SuGo
Profile Joined March 2013
United States681 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-25 17:30:31
August 25 2015 17:25 GMT
#211
On August 25 2015 21:30 EBPNationWars wrote:
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On August 25 2015 14:37 ProtossGG wrote:
Why does Europe get to form "super teams" ? I understand they have lack of players for their respective countries, but instead of merging all the loners into one squad, they should be dispersed into OTHER countries...

Just a thought/opinion.

They won't be forming a super team. They will however be forming a team which can be competitive. The event is intended to encourage activity, disqualifying these players doesn't seem like the way to do that.


I'm not saying to disqualify anyone... I want everyone to be in it. More the merrier.

I am simply saying instead of having all these loners form one team under eonzerg, why wouldn't they each be dispersed into other countries?

(e.g. Dsaqwe to Spain, Zaraki to Hungary, etc etc <-- Making it up). But you get the point, one loner gets placed randomly in another country. This way all the loners are not together.


**Also as for Poland looking extremely strong, I'm TOTALLY good and happy about that. They're all polish, they haven't drafted anyone outside the country. If people in Poland are just that good and they're all from poland, it is what it is. More power to Poland. Mentioning Poland in any of these discussions is irrelevant because they're all FROM Poland.
Ty2
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States1434 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-25 17:43:17
August 25 2015 17:38 GMT
#212
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6922 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-25 17:48:04
August 25 2015 17:44 GMT
#213
On August 26 2015 02:38 Ty2 wrote:
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On August 25 2015 23:52 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
On August 25 2015 21:05 Ty2 wrote:
On August 25 2015 19:36 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
On August 25 2015 18:07 fearthequeen wrote:
On August 25 2015 16:51 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
i will take care of The Europe Fusion team:
Coach :eOnzErG
players:
Zaraki
Dsaqwe
Sacred

Spaniard and Catspaw i will like to see these two players training a bit harder,
Also expecting Nizzy to be part of our 2v2 squad

Players i will like to be part of us, Madinho
and some players of France
Kenzy Freman Elena

So if you arent from Poland/GER/Swe plz contact me here in teamliquid or skype joseluis_cuban15 .
i will be hosting a tournament to gave oportunity a less skilled players to be part of the nation taking the first place and base in the skill i see the second and third will be maybe part of us.

and last i need extra time to fix all this mess plz .

HYPE HYPE!


So you want to pick up the top players regardless of their region? This is getting out of hand. If anything those 2 players bolded should be part of Sweden since they are Scandanavian.

Seriously, why even call this a "Nation War" if this is how teams will be formed?

you need to out your head under the pillow and watch what we have here.Sweden doesnt need players out of their country,their activity is great,the rest of countries have somewhat 1 player x .


Eonzerg, I think telling flying to get his head out under the pillow wasn't a necessary comment. It implies that you think he is oblivious or ignorant to the situation. It isn't a necessary thing to say to explain your reasoning behind why you wanted certain players for your team and it may come off as an insult. If that's not what you meant by telling flying to take his head out under the pillow please correct my misunderstanding.

Also, you picked the best players from Sweden and there are other nations beside Sweden like Poland and Germany who also have large lists. It's fine as long as you have a balanced roster just because other nations may not compare as well. Picking the best players from the Sweden roster instead of the other worse players does feel like you are selectively picking the better ones and not because of mere coincidence. It feels like you pick the better players so the Europe Fusion Team has a better chance of winning but balance is important too so everyone gets a chance to play. I guess in the end it's going to be the administration's call on the matter. Please correct me if I'm mistaken.


can you re-read my post plz ?.and re-read what you wrote ?


I reread your post and my post.

no changes ?
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im not trying to steal sweden players,what are you talking about ?,im not picking best players of every nation to make our own team..Sweden as i see it doesnt need to go for findland croatia players,norway,im no trying to make a imba team to rape everyone just trying to make one active nation to play the events and at the same time be competitive like the rest .if not i will just ally with Hungary and you will have to face Sziky Zaraki and eOnzErG Noname and i will put this Skzlime again to train and play so yeah.. in the same team .
LuMiX
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
China5757 Posts
August 25 2015 18:40 GMT
#214
I would like to join fusion hungary team to be w/ sas mates~ ty!
Mazur
Profile Joined July 2011
Poland480 Posts
August 25 2015 19:06 GMT
#215
<3
On August 26 2015 03:40 Metal[x] wrote:
I would like to join fusion hungary team to be w/ sas mates~ ty!

There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
Ty2
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States1434 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-25 19:15:57
August 25 2015 19:13 GMT
#216
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dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
August 25 2015 19:35 GMT
#217
Half my roster is below B- from the old system, I think merging countries should have the same luxury. Give the inexperienced players a chance to compete vs top active gamers. I don't want to merge with another country for the same reason. Competition is important but we could have easily just made clans and done that instead if we were trying to stack teams.
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
Terrorterran
Profile Joined January 2009
Peru256 Posts
August 25 2015 19:48 GMT
#218
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EBPNationWars
Profile Blog Joined August 2015
Great Britain245 Posts
August 25 2015 20:17 GMT
#219
On August 26 2015 04:35 dRaW wrote:
Half my roster is below B- from the old system, I think merging countries should have the same luxury. Give the inexperienced players a chance to compete vs top active gamers. I don't want to merge with another country for the same reason. Competition is important but we could have easily just made clans and done that instead if we were trying to stack teams.

This is a very good point and I think eonzerg is trying to accomplish this as much as he can. It will be interesting to see what that roster turns out to be, but it shouldn't be too far off from what Canada/USA have to work with.
ggnore13
Profile Joined May 2015
54 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-25 20:23:13
August 25 2015 20:20 GMT
#220
See you guys are missing a major point. This is nation war not a clan war meaning there is no goal to create balanced teams. The goal here is to compare the overall strength of the participating nations to determine the best one. Ofc some countries are going to be super imba compared to the others but so what? Does FIFA allow the team of Zambia to have Brazilian stand ins in order for Zambia to be competitive enough to win the world cup?

Lets take Spain for example. Eon says there aren't enough active player but you can see on iccup there are plenty of active spaniards. They are not A+ or olympic and if team Spain is formed only by Spaniards it wont stand a chance against swe,rus,pol,ger but thats part of the very psychology behind the nation wars. There are always favourites and underdogs. There is no balance until the later stages of the tournament and thats the way it should be.

And last but not least - the creating of those super teams leads to a situation where the mid level players can't play in the event because the team captain will not allow it since he have gosu stand ins.

Btw:
ggnore13
best rank: C+
fish: no
I want to join team Bulgaria.
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