EPT[41MSL] SF: HiyA v Shuttle, Sea v EffOrt - Page 3
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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Probemicro
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On April 13 2015 20:54 BisuDagger wrote: Effort defeating Sea would be a major upset. This will change how I view Zero vs Sea in the TTSL. if anyone is capable of beating sea consistently its effort or in-form killer, not Zero. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19384 Posts
On April 13 2015 21:04 Probemicro wrote: if anyone is capable of beating sea consistently its effort or in-form killer, not Zero. Zero has arguably the best ZvT out of any current Zerg. I will agree your statement about Killer. However, there was little known about the shape of Effort before this match and I argue still is. All our knowledge is based off kespa hype until we see him compete in another two tournaments. It's like all the people saying Last has the best TvT. That's just riding hype. Sea losing here is an upset. | ||
c3rberUs
Japan11656 Posts
On April 13 2015 21:10 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: also is pretty sad u guys comparing zero killer with effort OSL Champion vs Flash !!! jesus... Well, Zero did get into the finals with FlaSh.  | ||
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Probemicro
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On April 13 2015 21:10 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: also is pretty sad u guys comparing zero killer with effort OSL Champion vs Flash !!! jesus... 2013-2014 killer was damn good, he didnt win 2 SSL for nothing. still effort has the most potential of all the current zergs | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium7021 Posts
On April 13 2015 21:12 Probemicro wrote: 2013-2014 killer was damn good, he didnt win 2 SSL for nothing. still effort has the most potential of all the current zergs ofc it wasnt for nothing,the competition level was lower.he is good,but effort is S class, | ||
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c3rberUs
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Probemicro
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On April 13 2015 21:11 BisuDagger wrote: However, there was little known about the shape of Effort before this match and I argue still is. All our knowledge is based off kespa hype until we see him compete in another two tournaments. It's like all the people saying Last has the best TvT. That's just riding hype. Sea losing here is an upset. what is watching effort's afreeca stream (ok nvm IRL matters eh) i watched both of effort and zero's stream and i would say im much more impressed with effort's continued effort to improve his macro and the glimpses of genius that can be seen occasionally with his play. zero is very good but during games his mentality seem to deflate easily with some setbacks and he has that tendency to choke in the important games (eg. his semi against kwanro in ksl). thats why i don't really like him as a player. and the general gist i feel (that many others in korean and chinese communities also concur) is effort has better overall mechanics than zero. Even though he still loses a lot, sick mechanics plus some beastly tactics and genius moves making him very satisfying to watch for any 1v1 purists, just like bisu. the chinese fan didnt gave him 10000 balloons for nothing ytd. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19384 Posts
On April 13 2015 21:22 Probemicro wrote: what is watching effort's afreeca stream (ok nvm IRL matters eh) i watched both of effort and zero's stream and i would say im much more impressed with effort's continued effort to improve his macro and the glimpses of genius that can be seen occasionally with his play. zero is very good but during games his mentality seem to deflate easily with some setbacks and he has that tendency to choke in the important games (eg. his semi against kwanro in ksl). thats why i don't really like him as a player. and the general gist i feel (that many others in korean and chinese communities also concur) is effort has better overall mechanics than zero. Even though he still loses a lot, sick mechanics plus some beastly tactics and genius moves making him very satisfying to watch for any 1v1 purists, just like bisu. the chinese fan didnt gave him 10000 balloons for nothing ytd. Definitely good points.I'm not saying Effort is this case, but there are people who are better ladder then tournament players. I believe Larva is one of those people. I like to see how players perform in tournament settings before I make my judgements, but again that's just my preference. It is very exciting that Effort is translating his performance on stream to results in the tournament setting. I have no doubt he is in competition for the top Zerg spot. I hope he can solve ZvT in a more consistent manor then Modesty who has all but fallen off the map since his run early last year. I also agree with your statements about Zero's mentality. This is a problem he hasn't solved since KESPA days. | ||
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Probemicro
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You see him doing funny stuff/eat/sleep on stream sometimes, even occasionally playing other games like H1Z1 in contrast effort is almost 100% BW games no nonsense | ||
prech
United States2948 Posts
 Looks like we have a ZvT finals ahead. to Blind-rawr for the fine LP updatesTLPD updated, EffOrt knocks Sea out of the #1 spot  On April 13 2015 22:23 BisuDagger wrote: Definitely good points.I'm not saying Effort is this case, but there are people who are better ladder then tournament players. I believe Larva is one of those people. I like to see how players perform in tournament settings before I make my judgements, but again that's just my preference. It is very exciting that Effort is translating his performance on stream to results in the tournament setting. I have no doubt he is in competition for the top Zerg spot. I hope he can solve ZvT in a more consistent manor then Modesty who has all but fallen off the map since his run early last year. I also agree with your statements about Zero's mentality. This is a problem he hasn't solved since KESPA days. Indeed! The post-KeSPA/Afreeca scene really needs a few reliable ZvT counters... not sure how hard  Sea and/or  EffOrt prepared for this small tournament, but presumably they played their best. It was great to see ZerO performing so well against sSak the other day at TTSL, hoping more unique and non-FS maps enable a more contentious ZvT match-up | ||
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