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[41SL] Semifinals: Larva vs Sea, ZerO vs Snow

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prech
Profile Joined March 2014
United States2948 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-26 02:50:04
February 25 2015 00:19 GMT
#1

41 Starleague Season 3 on Liquipedia" target="_blank" href="https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/41_Starleague_Season_3">(Wiki)41 Starleague Season 3
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            (Z)ZerO(P)Snow(Z)Larva(T)Sea


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ZerO vs Snow game 2

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prech
Profile Joined March 2014
United States2948 Posts
February 25 2015 00:22 GMT
#2
Poll: Semifinal #1 victor?

ZerO (6)
 
75%

Snow (2)
 
25%

8 total votes

Your vote: Semifinal #1 victor?

(Vote): ZerO
(Vote): Snow



Poll: Semifinal #2 victor?

Larva (3)
 
50%

Sea (3)
 
50%

6 total votes

Your vote: Semifinal #2 victor?

(Vote): Larva
(Vote): Sea

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Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-25 00:41:31
February 25 2015 00:36 GMT
#3
nice both semis today

gonna be entertaining, Zero vs Sea finals GO

edit:btw why do you only link sea's sospa tlpd while the rest are kespa
prech
Profile Joined March 2014
United States2948 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-25 01:16:23
February 25 2015 01:10 GMT
#4
41 is pushing forward quickly with the schedule here... Semifinals in few hours, then the finals/third place in 4 days

Excellent match-ups
ZerO's ZvP is strong, and Larva seems to do pretty well against Sea (SBENU Super Fight, etc)
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dr0pship
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada520 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-25 01:36:03
February 25 2015 01:24 GMT
#5
I really want Larva to win! He is 9-0 so far in 41SL, sweeping Shuttle Jaehoon Pure and Lazy in all matches!!!

Such good player, very manner guy, quality streamer, #1 on Fish, tons of Afreeca fans...Larva deserves to win a tournament for once.

Hong9 Hwaiting!

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c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
February 25 2015 03:21 GMT
#6
Wow, didn't realize this is today. Gooooo Snow!!!!!!!!!1
WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3820 Posts
February 25 2015 05:58 GMT
#7
I'm hoping for a Sea vs Zero or Larva vs Snow finals,

make it so!
: o )
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
February 25 2015 06:55 GMT
#8
Larva is awesome I agree Mr. 9heart. TvZ is definitely his weakest match up though. I feel like he will struggle against Sea. Sea > Larva ...Zero > Snow (Zeros ZvP is great, just like larvas). Sea vs Zero in the finals.
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5219 Posts
February 25 2015 10:17 GMT
#9
Snipe please restream! I can't watch Afreeca. :'(
FBH #1!
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3820 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-25 10:28:07
February 25 2015 10:24 GMT
#10
Zero 1 : 0 Snow

Zero went for double expand vs single base tech from Snow.
Lost a few overlords to corsair harass so snow expanded with about 6/7 cannons at his nat.
Zero cancelled his 3rd expo just before it finished and immediately upgraded overlord speed/transportation
he then dropped into Snow's main with about 15 hydras and punished snow for having too small an army to defend his base
Snow was close to doing major damage with DTs during the drop but fell just a little short.

pretty good on-your-feet thinking from Zero.
: o )
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3820 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-25 10:30:29
February 25 2015 10:30 GMT
#11
Fairly standard game 2 on New Bloody Ridge.

Zero with the soft hydra contain on Snow but he will break out momentarily.
Currently 4 bases to 2.
Snow with double observatory! =O

Snow taking 3rd, Zero moves out with lurker heavy army
: o )
Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
February 25 2015 10:30 GMT
#12
lawl double observatory
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3820 Posts
February 25 2015 10:32 GMT
#13
I feel Zero is slightly ahead in game 2 at the moment but this could go either way.
Snow will be able to push out but this map is nice for lurkers which zero has a lot of
: o )
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3820 Posts
February 25 2015 10:33 GMT
#14
Snow HT drops incoming, let's see how much damage it does

3 or 4 drones I think (41 missed it)
: o )
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3820 Posts
February 25 2015 10:33 GMT
#15
Snow taking 4th map is split
: o )
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3820 Posts
February 25 2015 10:35 GMT
#16
Snow tries to drive into Zero's natural but gets repelled easily.

I haven't seen any defilers yet
: o )
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3820 Posts
February 25 2015 10:37 GMT
#17
Swarm drop onto Snow's main, doesn't do much damage, storms were ready to fight it off
: o )
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3820 Posts
February 25 2015 10:38 GMT
#18
Zero is poking and thrusting around the map but Snow is responding pretty well to his attacks

it has been 4 base v 4 base for a while
: o )
Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
February 25 2015 10:38 GMT
#19
zero so passive letting snow take 4th without resistance
the fight for 12th and 6oclock will decide this game
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3820 Posts
February 25 2015 10:40 GMT
#20
Snow taking 6 and it doesn't look like Zero is in a hurry to stop it
: o )
Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-25 10:43:38
February 25 2015 10:43 GMT
#21
nice DA at 6 to maelstrom and stop ovie drops
niceeee

an arbiter around too ;o
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3820 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-25 10:44:02
February 25 2015 10:43 GMT
#22
OHHH Zero goes for the big drop at 6 and Snow Maelstroms it before it can fully offload
: o )
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3820 Posts
February 25 2015 10:47 GMT
#23
Zero wins a big skirmish at 6, a LOT of dead archons
he is now holding the central expansion, but actually breaking Snow will be very tough
: o )
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3820 Posts
February 25 2015 10:49 GMT
#24
But the reality is Snow is going to run out of resources long before Zero so it's really up to him to break Zero at this point, and not the other way around.
: o )
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3820 Posts
February 25 2015 10:50 GMT
#25
Snow is sieging the central expansion but the super narrow choke makes it realyl hard for him to break it, he is doing good damage though, he'll have to break that expansion to win the game.
: o )
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3820 Posts
February 25 2015 10:51 GMT
#26
Lurker count is very low, this might be Snow's c hance to go in!
: o )
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3820 Posts
February 25 2015 10:52 GMT
#27
Massed archons and a few reavers charging through a choke into guardians and lurkers.
this will be fun!
: o )
raviy
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia207 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-25 10:56:13
February 25 2015 10:55 GMT
#28
Snow manages to break through centre expand and cuts off Zero's last income stream for the GG.

Needed more sunkens imo
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
February 25 2015 10:55 GMT
#29
when ahead, mass scouts
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3820 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-25 10:55:23
February 25 2015 10:55 GMT
#30
Snow finally pushes in,

so many archons and templars jeepers

He just about breaks Zero

I wonder how many storms per minute were cast in that game
has to be one of the highest I've ever seen

ZERO GGs

Snow 1 : 1 Zero
: o )
Meffyx
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany29 Posts
February 25 2015 10:55 GMT
#31
gg
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-25 11:07:46
February 25 2015 11:07 GMT
#32
edit - nvm i'm an idiot
WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
kjwcj
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia1064 Posts
February 25 2015 11:08 GMT
#33
zero
Writer
Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
February 25 2015 11:23 GMT
#34
KIM MYUNG WOON!
raviy
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia207 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-25 11:42:33
February 25 2015 11:41 GMT
#35
Game 1 Larva v Sea.

Larva appears to have gone for a 3 hatch spire into lurker into hive before muta, into defiler guardian off 2 base.....
raviy
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia207 Posts
February 25 2015 11:47 GMT
#36
And the game has stabilised? Into 4 base zerg nothing v 5 base terran mech?
Meffyx
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany29 Posts
February 25 2015 11:52 GMT
#37
Snow - ZerO

who won?
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
February 25 2015 11:56 GMT
#38
ZerO
WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
raviy
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia207 Posts
February 25 2015 11:56 GMT
#39
Sea forgets that you can't a-move tanks into ultraling under swarm and loses half his army. Larva runs ultraling into 2 undefended T expansions and cleans up, somehow bringing the game to 5 base z v 4 base T.

Larva forgets he can't fight sieged tanks in a defensive position without swarm and suicides most of his army. Larva suicides the rest of his army into a-moving tanks that Sea forgot about for the GG.

Sea 1-0
juvenal
Profile Joined July 2013
2448 Posts
February 25 2015 11:57 GMT
#40
Crazy game first, Larva almost had it at one point, gg
Michael Probu
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
February 25 2015 12:08 GMT
#41
Silly 2nd game lol
WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9529 Posts
February 25 2015 12:12 GMT
#42
Even sillier 3rd one..

I imagine Larva is tilting pretty hard
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c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
February 25 2015 12:22 GMT
#43
Agreed lol
WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9529 Posts
February 25 2015 12:26 GMT
#44
Oh well, at least I got 2/2 on Liquibet xD
Moderator"We're a community of geniuses because we've found how to extract 95% of the feeling of doing something amazing without actually doing anything." - Chill
N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
February 25 2015 20:54 GMT
#45
zero snow was very good (game 2 certainly)!
iu, seungah, yura, taeyeon, hyosung, lizzy, suji, sojin, jia, ji eun, eunji, soya, younha, jiyeon, fiestar, sinb, jung myung hoon godtier. BW FOREVERR
prech
Profile Joined March 2014
United States2948 Posts
February 25 2015 21:40 GMT
#46
^^Indeed, pretty fun map -- reminds me of Blue Storm, with the center expo of Fighting Spirit

Really impressive grind from Sea against Larva in their game 1... seemed to set the tone for the rest of the series. Disappointing play from Larva in the last two games
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dr0pship
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada520 Posts
February 26 2015 02:04 GMT
#47
Larva =(
Starecat
Profile Joined August 2014
940 Posts
February 26 2015 16:49 GMT
#48
Any VOD?
:3
N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-26 19:06:47
February 26 2015 19:06 GMT
#49
The snipealot2 twitch recording for me worked fine (though i started g2 series one; there probably is g1 right before but I just clicked on the "41TV" labelled video and that started at game 2)
iu, seungah, yura, taeyeon, hyosung, lizzy, suji, sojin, jia, ji eun, eunji, soya, younha, jiyeon, fiestar, sinb, jung myung hoon godtier. BW FOREVERR
Starecat
Profile Joined August 2014
940 Posts
February 26 2015 19:30 GMT
#50
Yay the yt ones are up.
:3
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-27 00:44:38
February 26 2015 22:53 GMT
#51
Happy birthday prech

Finally watching the vods. Game 1 was a perfect example to why 1 gate tech is no longer used in most pvz's. Man Snow looked so sloppy overall. With all due respect classic nervous play. Over-committing to cannons at his front in game one instead of going up to 3 gates; In game building 2 observatories, letting his probe transfer to the third base long distance mine, storming his own zealots/other units more than once. Not that he played bad but he doesn't make mistakes like that in practice normally from the games I've seen. He seemed almost over-reactive. Storming much too quickly on small groups of units wasting them, then allowing zerg to move in to crush his army. Basically as soon as he saw anything he stormed it. Relateably(yes i made that word up); his cannoning in the first game. He saw hydras , panicked, started throwing down cannons thinking "I'll definitely be safe then". Without really stopping to think about the situation. He could have easily built 2 less cannons and made gates instead and had a larger zealot count. Again I don't blame him, I know how hard brood war is. I would've probably lost to just the hydras at front I only provide my humble analysis. I'm not really going game

Adding to this as I go. Game one Sea vs Larva. Sea looks super polished on his early marine pressure to punish a greedy zerg. Moving out with 6ish marines with textbook marine micro without the need for wasted scvs causing ling and drones/mining time loses. Super strong, I can't see Sea losing after that to be honest. Hes too fast to waste that advantage. Larvas Muta micro was very impressive, but that's not really surprising for him. Honestly though with no third base the game is hopeless. And were seeing that now in the late game as larva struggles desperately to take a 4th gas vs the mech switch. Honestly it seems like its time for the super fast ultra +2 armor rush off 3 early gases to make a comeback. If theres mines + vults send 1 ultra, if theres no vults and just mines send 2 lings or something like this,skipping defiler. Seems like the best response vs mech switch. However, if you don't clear the mines correctly and make a mistake and lose a bunch of ultras the game can be over in an instant. On top of that you would try to ultra/ling drop positions with tank/vult/mines and minimal turrets. The idea in theory is to push aggressively vs mines, keeping the terran from covering a large amount of ground with mines and oventually shutting down expansions and causing a collapse. Remember just like in tvp terran becomes more powerful at larger supply due to range. Another idea is play standard but prepare an upgraded air switch with scourge for vessels to hard counter the mass vult/tank. Much easier said than done of course. All of it is hard. It's Brood War.

I must say Larva is doing(slash did?) an amazing job of staying in this game, guys a beast. Eventually though the resource advantage results in Terran winning. No surprises there.

Game 2, another victim of tau cross style maps I really feel bad for Larva on this one. With the opening to the nat open to being blocked by 1 depot its really tough to defend an aggresive marine rush. That being said of course his ling all in was very poorly executed. He was willing them to surround that bunker...but the scvs were surrounding it already. Physics is physics. Even for you Sir Larva. The sickness is that if Larva had waited for speed before his first attack he may have won flat out. I understand the reasoning though. You want to reduce the terran marine count as much as possible due to range advantage. He just failed to do that at all with his first attack...after that sloppy play ensured he had no chance of pulling out a miracle.

Third game, honestly even though there was a 9 rax(I think?) Im surprised T didnt send an early scvto scout (or ebay at nat?), you can totally delay the hatch intentionally but not too long that z doesnt try to FE. This results in sunkens being later and in theory a successful early bunker rush. But what do I know. Seas shows why this map is so beautiful to play as a terran player. There are so many things you can do. And whats unheard of on most maps is standard on destination. Fast 1 fact most likely into FE but I haven't gotten there yet after a super successful bunker rush. The hatch goes down but z still has units. Vult speed upgrade follow up allows T to patrol micro vs zergs speedlings though and z falls even further behind. Not to be anti- dramatic but the game is over at this point. Zerg needs to be at least 1 gas up to have a chance vs mech. At even base its hopeless

In conclusion, and in order to be a huge asshole I'd like to quote myself. Look I even changed the L in Larva so people wouldn't think I don't know how capital letters work(which I clearly don't).

On February 25 2015 15:55 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Larva is awesome I agree Mr. 9heart. TvZ is definitely his weakest match up though. I feel like he will struggle against Sea. Sea > Larva ...Zero > Snow (Zeros ZvP is great, just like Larva's). Sea vs Zero in the finals.


Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
prech
Profile Joined March 2014
United States2948 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-27 02:07:26
February 27 2015 02:06 GMT
#52
On February 27 2015 07:53 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Happy birthday prech

Thanks, but alas, I just haven't gotten around to fixing the random birthdate I selected during TL signup

And I'm all for quoting oneself to emphasis a point


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