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TelecoM
United States10686 Posts
On January 18 2015 07:14 SnowFantasy wrote: This thread should almost be renamed Arcania Walkover League. That is what happens when you enforce such strict rules in a BW Foreign Tournaments I feel, I am at work now and can't play till late tonight, I hope Mewka will be on tonight. We still have some time theoretically I thought to play it before tomorrow. | ||
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
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SnowFantasy
4173 Posts
On January 18 2015 09:36 GGzerG wrote: That is what happens when you enforce such strict rules in a BW Foreign Tournaments I feel, I am at work now and can't play till late tonight, I hope Mewka will be on tonight. We still have some time theoretically I thought to play it before tomorrow. You and Mewka were both walked over. | ||
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SnowFantasy
4173 Posts
Ro16 Preview I mentioned in the OP that the Ro16 grouping would be set up in a way so that each group features two players that went 2-0 and two other players that went 2-1 in their ro32 group. Here is a quick overview of how the groups will be set up: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/1dCLTHq.png) There are five maps but only three will be used for each of the ro16 groups. Each player that advanced 2-0 in their ro32 group can veto one map from their ro16 group's map pool resulting in a set of three maps for their group. Random vetoes will be chosen for any of the players that do not select a veto. I originally planned on all of the ro16 be Bo3 but I'm just going to keep it Bo1 like the ro32. I will be casting the games from the Ro32 tomorrow and updating this thread + liquipedia with the results as soon as I can. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10686 Posts
Why? I thought you said we could submit replays before you casted them.... EDIT : Why do you just walk over players without talking to them first man...I was going to try and play Mewka tonight or early tomorrow before you cast the games... | ||
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SnowFantasy
4173 Posts
On January 18 2015 10:51 GGzerG wrote: Why? I thought you said we could submit replays before you casted them.... EDIT : Why do you just walk over players without talking to them first man...I was going to try and play Mewka tonight or early tomorrow before you cast the games... At what time? There were three other people in your group. Two of them showed up on time to the ro32 clueless about where you and Mewka were or when you two may have wanted to reschedule the games. Things like this are why walkovers are allowed to be claimed. They wanted them, they got them. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
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ArtOfBlack
Poland93 Posts
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TelecoM
United States10686 Posts
On January 18 2015 11:26 SnowFantasy wrote: At what time? There were three other people in your group. Two of them showed up on time to the ro32 clueless about where you and Mewka were or when you two may have wanted to reschedule the games. Things like this are why walkovers are allowed to be claimed. They wanted them, they got them. Ohhh man...-_- If the time wouldn't have been moved up an hour I could have played at 2 but ...yea... oh well... so the two Terran players got moved forward? lol...gl hf gg all | ||
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SnowFantasy
4173 Posts
If you are really curious I'll paste the chat logs related to your group since mcaLauncher saved them. Note that I'm from Alaska so all timestamps are one hour behind pacific (4 behind eastern). + Show Spoiler [Battle.net] + 오전 11:33:26 <[SAM]Gohan> arcana ggzerg playing with telecom? 오전 11:33:32 <Arcania> ggzerg is telecom 오전 11:33:36 <[SAM]Gohan> ohh :D User was last seen on : Tue Jan 13 04:37:06 오전 11:33:39 <Stardom[eMg]> you mean mewka User was last seen on : Fri Aug 08 03:14:56 오전 11:33:42 <[SAM]Gohan> yeah Unknown user. User was last seen on : Sat Jan 10 15:19:40 오전 11:33:51 <Arcania> neither player showed up 오전 11:33:55 <[SAM]Gohan> ohh 오전 11:34:06 <Stardom[eMg]> so me and Gohan walkover? 오전 11:34:12 <Stardom[eMg]> but Gohan won first match 오전 11:35:45 <[SAM]Gohan> i have the rep 오전 11:39:16 <[SAM]Gohan> this is a little awkward cause ggzerg and mewka would have advanced from our group 오전 11:40:10 <Stardom[eMg]> the walkovers are real 오전 11:40:11 <Stardom[eMg]> :O 오전 11:40:13 <flying[eMg]> walkover to 2-0 (flex) 오전 11:46:15 <[SAM]Gohan> Arcania, I sent you the rep 오전 11:46:52 <Arcania> do either of you know if they played already or wanted to reschedule 오전 11:47:11 <Arcania> i wasn't included in any rescheduling/walkover discussions other than like 오전 11:47:18 <Arcania> fold's ambiguous comments on the thread 오전 11:47:32 <Stardom[eMg]> telecom I not surprised he didn't show but Mewka wtf o.o 오전 11:47:37 <Arcania> im gonna just wakover telecom and mewka 오전 11:47:38 <[SAM]Gohan> no1 contacted me and they didnet left the comment on TL 오전 11:47:42 <Stardom[eMg]> ^ 오전 11:47:48 <Arcania> stardom and gohan, you guys can go 오전 11:47:56 <Arcania> the winner of your game will be 2-0 오전 11:47:57 <sGs.DNH> congrats star+gohan 오전 11:47:57 <[SAM]Gohan> ok 오전 11:47:59 <Arcania> other 2-1 오전 11:48:11 <Stardom[eMg]> (Kappa) + Show Spoiler [skype] + [오후 5:08:14] Arcania: you around [오후 5:08:15] Arcania: ? [오후 5:12:46] Stardom: ya [오후 5:13:41] Arcania: telecom found out he got walked over. how badly do you want to play him and will you be available for some mystery time in the next 18 hours to play out the group whenever he isn't off work? [오후 5:14:01] Arcania: you're entirely able to say [오후 5:14:03] Arcania: yo udont want to play [오후 5:14:35] Arcania: isn't at work* [오후 5:14:40] Stardom: I don't really want to tbh with you because telecom and mewka never sdaid shit about needing to play later than the schdule time [오후 5:15:20] Arcania: did he try to contact you beforehand about possibly needing to play earlier (if not later) [오후 5:15:27] Stardom: so why sshould I make a expection to them if they don't say anything [오후 5:15:28] Arcania: the impression i got from you and gohan was [오후 5:15:31] Stardom: he never did [오후 5:15:33] Arcania: neither one of them said anything at all [오후 5:15:37] Arcania: and didn't show up [오후 5:15:40] Stardom: neither of them did [오후 5:15:52] Arcania: the only person that sent me something was castle [오후 5:16:01] Arcania: about rescheduling [오후 5:16:07] Arcania: so basically what was posted in the thread is what i know [오후 5:16:23] Stardom: yes [오후 5:20:30] Arcania: same story for mewka right ? [오후 5:22:29] Stardom: yes Sorry man. I'll do my best to make season two run smoother. | ||
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2716 Posts
On January 18 2015 11:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote: So if I did my math right I should be in a group with 3 B- players... I think you didn't ^^ I have no idea about the results but your will probably be up only against two B- players xDDDD GL! On January 18 2015 11:59 GGzerG wrote: Ohhh man...-_- If the time wouldn't have been moved up an hour I could have played at 2 but ...yea... oh well... so the two Terran players got moved forward? lol...gl hf gg all That's why people should communicate with all players in their group... This is not directed personally at you. It seems like there were quite a bunch of people that did not bothered to let everybody in their group know what their plans were, and even less so bothered to reschedule their games in an appropriate manner... edit: On January 18 2015 10:38 SnowFantasy wrote: Ro16 Preview I mentioned in the OP that the Ro16 grouping would be set up in a way so that each group features two players that went 2-0 and two other players that went 2-1 in their ro32 group. Here is a quick overview of how the groups will be set up: There are five maps but only three will be used for each of the ro16 groups. Each player that advanced 2-0 in their ro32 group can veto one map from their ro16 group's map pool resulting in a set of three maps for their group. Random vetoes will be chosen for any of the players that do not select a veto. I originally planned on all of the ro16 be Bo3 but I'm just going to keep it Bo1 like the ro32. I will be casting the games from the Ro32 tomorrow and updating this thread + liquipedia with the results as soon as I can. Why would you want to let the ro16 games be bo1? I'd assume that everybody in the ro16 is responsible enough to make the time for a bo3 or at least schedule their games in a manner that everything works out fine. After all, it's your decision. However, I haven't got the feeling that there is demand for such a change and I do not think that it is neccessary. | ||
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puppykiller
United States3137 Posts
But I missed my tourney game. I did try to play the day before since I wasn't sure if this would happen or not but I couldn't because my opponent didn't feel prepared. Am i OK? | ||
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2716 Posts
On January 18 2015 12:41 puppykiller wrote: Hey guys, I was too busy having sex with a girl I met recently and missed my games. I was in a dark dry place and,.. well... I was saved. An angel saved me. My head wishes I played my games but my body has no regrets. Unfortunately my body only communicates via erections and I can't post a case for my body without getting banned from teamliquid. But I missed my tourney game. I did try to play the day before since I wasn't sure if this would happen or not but I couldn't because my opponent didn't feel prepared. Am i OK? We have a skype group set up for a few days already. Take a look in there. Make sure to be there tomorrow!!! edit: BE THERE ON TIME. It's a reasonable enough time for you! | ||
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SnowFantasy
4173 Posts
Group A took a really long time today with just Bo1 games. If entire groups were to be switched to Bo3 you could potentially have people sitting around waiting an hour for the rest of their group to finish their games. Take this example: TerranA vs TerranB ZergA vs TerranC TerranA and TerranB play 3 games 30 minutes each. (1.5hrs game time). ZergA vs TerranC play just two 15-20 minute games (35min total average -> waiting for 55 minutes). Then you could possibly have another TvT bo3 and another TvZ bo3 where someone could again wait a long time. I could change it to where groups are part bo3 and part bo1 (sonic did this after some really long group stages too). I could shorten to bo1 or maybe keep it bo3 and make ro16 a two week round but it seems clear to me that I definitely need to make a change of some kind. edit: What time are you guys going to try and meet up to play? I'll try to be there as well. | ||
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2716 Posts
On January 18 2015 12:58 SnowFantasy wrote: Rulzbooom, you're way too optimistic. We had people impatient enough to go play ladder games and or just straight up leave during bo1 groups. My original intention for ro16 was going to have 2 games, winner's losers, and tie breaker matches except everything would be bo3. This results in somewhere between 4-9 games for each player. Group A took a really long time today with just Bo1 games. If entire groups were to be switched to Bo3 you could potentially have people sitting around waiting an hour for the rest of their group to finish their games. Take this example: TerranA vs TerranB ZergA vs TerranC TerranA and TerranB play 3 games 30 minutes each. (1.5hrs game time). ZergA vs TerranC play just two 15-20 minute games (35min total average -> waiting for 55 minutes). Then you could possibly have another TvT bo3 and another TvZ bo3 where someone could again wait a long time. I could change it to where groups are part bo3 and part bo1 (sonic did this after some really long group stages too). I could shorten to bo1 or maybe keep it bo3 and make ro16 a two week round but it seems clear to me that I definitely need to make a change of some kind. edit: What time are you guys going to try and meet up to play? I'll try to be there as well. Sunday, Jan 18 6:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) That's for me and puppykiller. Splax and Castle (if he can make it) should come Sunday, Jan 18 6:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00) | ||
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SynC[gm]
United States3127 Posts
On January 18 2015 09:36 GGzerG wrote: That is what happens when you enforce such strict rules in a BW Foreign Tournaments I feel, I am at work now and can't play till late tonight, I hope Mewka will be on tonight. We still have some time theoretically I thought to play it before tomorrow. I think regardless of the rules, whether they're lenient or strict, if the players don't want to make the effort to play and/or don't care enough, it won't ever be played. Looking back at past D-rank events, L_Master was very lenient with postponements and delays, but despite the rules, there were still a lot of games that weren't played, and eventually, I believe one individual league and teamleague never got a proper ending. Topic of discussion is always pretty cool to talk about, but it seems like real life will always, of course inevitably, get in the way of designated times, piss players off, and walkovers will occur. Look at Alchemy League, even though there was money on the line meaning incentive to play well and actually show up, there were still significant amount of walkovers. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10686 Posts
I love how you just give my opponents walk over's when I specifically stated several times I wouldn't be able to play because THE HOUR WAS MOVED UP AN HOUR. If it wasn't moved up an hour I could have been able to play. But then you are going to let others complete there matches tomorrow? Pretty obvious that you just wanted to give my opponent walk over vs me. Did others post in the thread saying repeatedly they were not going to be able to make the specific time as much as I did? Oh ok thanks buddy. | ||
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SnowFantasy
4173 Posts
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TelecoM
United States10686 Posts
Not. | ||
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fearthequeen
United States788 Posts
On January 18 2015 14:01 GGzerG wrote: I posted SEVERAL Times saying I WOULD NOT be able to play at the given time because I HAD TO WORK. I love the chat logs haha....I specifically said "I WILL BE ABLE TO PLAY AFTER 12:00 PM EST , OR EARLY ON SUNDAY" It was never a "MYSTERY TIME" lol...man you are so un professional in those texts it is hilarious lol..... I love how you just give my opponents walk over's when I specifically stated several times I wouldn't be able to play because THE HOUR WAS MOVED UP AN HOUR. If it wasn't moved up an hour I could have been able to play. But then you are going to let others complete there matches tomorrow? Pretty obvious that you just wanted to give my opponent walk over vs me. Did others post in the thread saying repeatedly they were not going to be able to make the specific time as much as I did? Oh ok thanks buddy. Come on man. You really think Arcania is out to get you? The reality is, your opponents are not obligated to reschedule with you if you can't make the scheduled time. It's more up to the members of the group to make rescheduling work than is it up to Arcania. | ||
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