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Asta
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany3491 Posts
October 06 2006 17:26 GMT
#41
On October 06 2006 14:22 EvilTeletubby wrote:
[removed quote within quote]

Honestly, I think we're at the point now where you simply do not question Midian or Romad when it comes to hotkey fingerprinting.


I'm afraid so.
Beamo
Profile Joined March 2003
France1279 Posts
October 06 2006 17:56 GMT
#42
On October 06 2006 14:35 SchOOl_VicTIm wrote:

btw, can u please revert the liquibet result as you did with the draco situation? +1 point for me would be cool


The Draco vs Kosiro bet was canceled, so I guess this one will also be.
[GiTM]-Ace
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4935 Posts
October 06 2006 21:31 GMT
#43
wow what a promising league this is turning out to be lol. What made u guys check to see if it was real one this time? i mean draco's guy was supposed to be drunk and it was really obvious but what did paris do for u guys to go inspecting? or did ya just do it cause of the kosiro incident ~~
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iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
October 06 2006 21:46 GMT
#44
They most likely check all the korean replays since this is so common. Word has it that there was another... potential switch-a-roo but this one is.. more private apparently
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-10-06 21:53:02
October 06 2006 21:52 GMT
#45
was it gorky playing for pj vs cozy
ToT)MidiaN(
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
England2183 Posts
October 06 2006 21:55 GMT
#46
On October 07 2006 06:31 [GiTM]-Ace wrote:
wow what a promising league this is turning out to be lol. What made u guys check to see if it was real one this time? i mean draco's guy was supposed to be drunk and it was really obvious but what did paris do for u guys to go inspecting? or did ya just do it cause of the kosiro incident ~~

romad found it, ididn't check any of the replays =o i dunno why he checked, maybe he saw the replay and found the skill level to be higher than expected from nal_paris, that's just speculating though.
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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13528 Posts
October 06 2006 22:00 GMT
#47
There's just no respect from the Koreans. =[
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iNsaNe-
Profile Joined January 2005
Finland5201 Posts
October 06 2006 22:20 GMT
#48
On October 06 2006 14:22 EvilTeletubby wrote:
[removed quote within quote]

Honestly, I think we're at the point now where you simply do not question Midian or Romad when it comes to hotkey fingerprinting.


Really, why?
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NonYold
Profile Joined April 2004
United States2814 Posts
October 06 2006 22:30 GMT
#49
lol this is ridiculous... do they realize how much money is involved for the sandlot, and how many ways it can be won? these cheating players should really be punished but there's nothing we can do but kick them from tournament t.t
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
October 07 2006 00:59 GMT
#50
Going to pantech sookso with my battle axe to fuck up koshiro already. Where does this new fucker live?
why so 진지해?
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
October 07 2006 01:12 GMT
#51
I could not find additional evidence supporting this with action distributions. Actually, from the replays I analyzed, Eun and Paris have nearly identical action distributions and they also have similar apm and apm curves. I looked at replays of paris from week 1, "paris" from week 2 and 3 replays of eun[fou] that were in my archive.

It would be much easier to see for sure if the week 2 games had been against a Zerg. Nal_Paris does have one VERY UNUSUAL tendency, which is that he actually uses the "heal" action whereas most people set their medics on attack move, allowing them to auto-heal. In the games against S2, Paris had 1-3% of his actions (in every game) as heal.

Unfortunately, nobody uses medics in TvT for obvious reasons.



Still, this evidence does NOT contradict what Midian said. In fact, the evidence I gathered shows that it is possible for either Paris or Eun to have played the game. Neither is excluded. The hotkeys used agree with Eun, not with Paris, so it is far more likely that Eun played the games.
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mcmascote
Profile Joined September 2004
Brazil1575 Posts
October 07 2006 02:17 GMT
#52
On October 07 2006 10:12 Mortality wrote:
I could not find additional evidence supporting this with action distributions. Actually, from the replays I analyzed, Eun and Paris have nearly identical action distributions and they also have similar apm and apm curves. I looked at replays of paris from week 1, "paris" from week 2 and 3 replays of eun[fou] that were in my archive.

It would be much easier to see for sure if the week 2 games had been against a Zerg. Nal_Paris does have one VERY UNUSUAL tendency, which is that he actually uses the "heal" action whereas most people set their medics on attack move, allowing them to auto-heal. In the games against S2, Paris had 1-3% of his actions (in every game) as heal.

Unfortunately, nobody uses medics in TvT for obvious reasons.



Still, this evidence does NOT contradict what Midian said. In fact, the evidence I gathered shows that it is possible for either Paris or Eun to have played the game. Neither is excluded. The hotkeys used agree with Eun, not with Paris, so it is far more likely that Eun played the games.


[QUOTE]On October 06 2006 14:35 Nal_CrayOn wrote:
I just talked to paris.
Aparrently his best friend was going to 'army' on that day so he asked eun[fou] to play him for in sandlot. Since the rep.ru team leader has suckest english ever, and paris also have suckest english, they couldn't talk at all, so paris didn't know whether he can change TIME/DATE or not like figherforum leader didn't know either, so active played for me instead.
By the way, kosiro[shield] problem was really big deal in tl.net HOWEVER, 99% Koreans dont know about this, unless blizzard or Fighterforum(biggest community) announce it.
Anyway, i assume he will get banned in this tourney 99%, gl to rest of people.
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Raindrop
Profile Joined September 2006
Finland9 Posts
October 07 2006 02:26 GMT
#53
On October 06 2006 17:06 SuperJongMan wrote:
Nonsense. My people never cheat. We are so super-evolved we can change habitual tendencies such as hotkeys and make silly white men think they caught us. NONSENSE.


rofl.. didn't he just confess he didn't play (Paris) or how about Kosiro 8D ?
TT1_banned
Profile Joined March 2006
Canada1206 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-10-07 04:19:37
October 07 2006 04:18 GMT
#54
its funny how koreans keep saying foreigners are bm when they all cheat i even remember when [shield] had cw's bisu would play his game then go on a smurf [shield] id and play another game
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
October 07 2006 04:36 GMT
#55
On October 07 2006 10:12 Mortality wrote:
It would be much easier to see for sure if the week 2 games had been against a Zerg. Nal_Paris does have one VERY UNUSUAL tendency, which is that he actually uses the "heal" action whereas most people set their medics on attack move, allowing them to auto-heal. In the games against S2, Paris had 1-3% of his actions (in every game) as heal.
.

everyone uses the heal action for meds, 'a' = heal for medics. they have no attack move command.
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Myxomatosis
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States2392 Posts
October 07 2006 09:17 GMT
#56
On October 07 2006 13:36 IdrA wrote:
[removed quote within quote]
everyone uses the heal action for meds, 'a' = heal for medics. they have no attack move command.

yeah, i was wondering what he was talking about. elaborate please!
MuShu
Profile Joined March 2005
United States3223 Posts
October 07 2006 16:52 GMT
#57
Maybe he means he actually clicks the "heal" button with his mouse instead of doing a+move.
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
October 07 2006 18:05 GMT
#58
On October 08 2006 01:52 MuShu wrote:
Maybe he means he actually clicks the "heal" button with his mouse instead of doing a+move.


but but thats retarded :| i think every tvz game will have a % of 'heal' commands... pressing A simply goes to heal . mouse clicking the heal button would be retardedly slow. -_-a
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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
October 07 2006 19:34 GMT
#59
What I think he means is that he for example selects marines with his medics in the hotkey, then presses A. It won't register as heal, but as attack move in bwchart. Apparently, paris hotkeys his medics seperately and uses the heal command to send them after the marines. At least, that's what I think.
Myxomatosis
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States2392 Posts
October 08 2006 00:22 GMT
#60
On October 08 2006 04:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
What I think he means is that he for example selects marines with his medics in the hotkey, then presses A. It won't register as heal, but as attack move in bwchart. Apparently, paris hotkeys his medics seperately and uses the heal command to send them after the marines. At least, that's what I think.

almost everyone hotkeys their marines and medics seperately. im still confused!
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