EPTOn March 11 2014 03:54 SynC[gm] wrote:
Anyone you can recommend? I'm open to casters volunteering
Anyone you can recommend? I'm open to casters volunteering
I might have time to cast some stuff, but I don't want to do it by myself
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tonight
United States11130 Posts
I might have time to cast some stuff, but I don't want to do it by myself | ||
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puppykiller
United States3137 Posts
On March 11 2014 03:54 SynC[gm] wrote: Anyone you can recommend? I'm open to casters volunteering Doood... | ||
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yellowsmile
United States293 Posts
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SynC[gm]
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SynC[gm]
United States3127 Posts
On March 11 2014 05:03 tonight wrote: I might have time to cast some stuff, but I don't want to do it by myself WELL, THEN GET DNH TO CAST WITH YO BITCH ASS. | ||
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NotJumperer
United States1371 Posts
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SynC[gm]
United States3127 Posts
On March 11 2014 10:39 Jumperer wrote: Noooooooo I'm B+ Barring I get banned from Teamliquid in the time being or something crazy happens that makes me never want to host another tourney ever again, I'm probably going to be lifting the B+ restriction, as I believe B players are good enough to hang with the B+ players. Unfortunately, that brings in the A-/B+ argument, but I'll just stick to opening the B+ gate next season. | ||
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LightningEdge
Singapore15 Posts
On March 11 2014 11:12 SynC[gm] wrote: Barring I get banned from Teamliquid in the time being or something crazy happens that makes me never want to host another tourney ever again, I'm probably going to be lifting the B+ restriction, as I believe B players are good enough to hang with the B+ players. Unfortunately, that brings in the A-/B+ argument, but I'll just stick to opening the B+ gate next season. This is where iccup ranks are subjective. Ranks in the past are not the same as the current ranks. Ranks currently are harder to achieve. Someone who is C+ right now could probably be in the B range in the past. Looking at the list of players right now, Jumper will lose to: ZeTy, Sero, Poetic, Julia, Cryoc, Southpark, and Modesty easily. So I think you need to look past iccup ranks and access players in a different way. | ||
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puppykiller
United States3137 Posts
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SynC[gm]
United States3127 Posts
On March 12 2014 00:55 LightningEdge wrote: This is where iccup ranks are subjective. Ranks in the past are not the same as the current ranks. Ranks currently are harder to achieve. Someone who is C+ right now could probably be in the B range in the past. Looking at the list of players right now, Jumper will lose to: ZeTy, Sero, Poetic, Julia, Cryoc, Southpark, and Modesty easily. So I think you need to look past iccup ranks and access players in a different way. Not that I'm trying to imply the logic "Well, what other choice do we have?", but is there another way to judge skill level other than our own opinions? | ||
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LightningEdge
Singapore15 Posts
On March 12 2014 01:45 SynC[gm] wrote: Not that I'm trying to imply the logic "Well, what other choice do we have?", but is there another way to judge skill level other than our own opinions? By having a panel of volunteers who are very knowledgeable about the players. In the 1st Crimson Starleague, MVP & Jacklinks were clear favorites compared to the rest of the participants and should of not been allowed to play. Just because their iccup accounts were eligible, they find other means to practice via Fish or friends. In Crimson Starleague 2, sas.LuMiX, PluS, and Radley were way above their competition. Radley has proven in the past in previous tournaments what he is truly capable of. Tournaments such as C ranks Game of Thrones, C Rank team leagues, BWMN tour, and TLS qualifications prove he was too good for the league. And then when it came down to sas.LuMiX and PluS, you have the notion that by off racing, they will be a lot worse when clearly players who have the mechanics and knowledge of their own race can easily transfer those skills to other races. So if I were to disallow some players in this current Maroon league, I would not allow Julia, Southpark, Pike, and Choosy since they are big unknowns with their off races. You have other players in the wait-list who should replace them. And then you have the big 3: ZeTy, Cryoc, and Modesty. But I could see an upset from the likes of Sero, MVP, Radley, Fazors, and Poetic. So I guess I would keep the big 3 to keep it interesting although you could debate it. | ||
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SynC[gm]
United States3127 Posts
On March 12 2014 03:11 LightningEdge wrote: By having a panel of volunteers who are very knowledgeable about the players. In the 1st Crimson Starleague, MVP & Jacklinks were clear favorites compared to the rest of the participants and should of not been allowed to play. Just because their iccup accounts were eligible, they find other means to practice via Fish or friends. In Crimson Starleague 2, sas.LuMiX, PluS, and Radley were way above their competition. Radley has proven in the past in previous tournaments what he is truly capable of. Tournaments such as C ranks Game of Thrones, C Rank team leagues, BWMN tour, and TLS qualifications prove he was too good for the league. And then when it came down to sas.LuMiX and PluS, you have the notion that by off racing, they will be a lot worse when clearly players who have the mechanics and knowledge of their own race can easily transfer those skills to other races. So if I were to disallow some players in this current Maroon league, I would not allow Julia, Southpark, Pike, and Choosy since they are big unknowns with their off races. You have other players in the wait-list who should replace them. And then you have the big 3: ZeTy, Cryoc, and Modesty. But I could see an upset from the likes of Sero, MVP, Radley, Fazors, and Poetic. So I guess I would keep the big 3 to keep it interesting although you could debate it. Hmm, when it comes to off-racing, I'm well aware of the quality that players still carry along, such as the knowledge of the matchup, and what have you, as it was debated a lot during D-ranks leagues. For Crimson, it's hard to say it's solely a C-ranks league, as I've said before that it wasn't limited TO C+ players, and it was more or less just players that I wanted to play. As for the panel of volunteers, are you suggesting players that are the top level players, or people that just watch games more than they play. Save for one or two people I can think of off the top of my head, I can't think of anyone that watches more than they play, watches foreign BW, watches C/D players, and has no bias. To go along with that, it's impossible to tell that "Well, this players plays and trains on Fish with other good players from iCCup, and the only reason he doesn't have a high rank on iCCup is because they just don't ladder." That can go both ways; Birdie trains on Fish and I believe he got to C rank with a winning record and more points to spare after hitting the 4000 mark, but by no means would anyone consider him too good for Crimson eligibility. Maybe in the next couple of seasons, I'll try to find a way to expand these leagues into something more legitimate and operation on an actual base/foundation, but until then, I'd have to say that this is just going to be based off of an unfortunately flawed ranking system. | ||
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radley
Poland582 Posts
On March 12 2014 03:11 LightningEdge wrote: In Crimson Starleague 2, sas.LuMiX, PluS, and Radley were way above their competition. Radley has proven in the past in previous tournaments what he is truly capable of. Tournaments such as C ranks Game of Thrones, C Rank team leagues, BWMN tour, and TLS qualifications prove he was too good for the league. And then when it came down to sas.LuMiX and PluS, you have the notion that by off racing, they will be a lot worse when clearly players who have the mechanics and knowledge of their own race can easily transfer those skills to other races. Seriously? Did you even check out my games? During BWMN I had best possible bracket until semifinals. During Game of Thrones i was in really good shape and still could lose half of those games, winning only thanks to my own stubbornness. TLS qualifications? I didn't advance in any of them, my best score was top16 or top8 in one of qualifications, after having good bracket. All my wins against recognizable players are thanks to my BBS or their bad attitude during our games. I'm player with huge lack in macro management and mechanics, although with better micro than standard C rank player, which i try to make use of every time i play. When i train normally, I cannot hit C+ with good ratio, and that's not because I don't try to do so, but I can just lose even against D rank players, especial in TvP. If it's hurting you, i can stop from playing C ranks tournaments, even though Crimson was my first win is such competitions. Even more - it was my first finals, and it didn't come to me so easy, i have really hard games and lost many of them during tournament. Usually there are bunch of players with better scores, regardless if it's single or team league, and I don't say that they should not be allowed to play in C ranks tournaments. Always someone must be the best during particular event, even if it's limited to players with certain max rank. Lumix and Plus are very bad examples too, since they have been playing offraces. And switching to offrace isn't as easy as you think, because mechanics are way different for all races (even between protoss and terran, which both I've played). These discussions about better players are not fine imo, and I'm not saying it, because you are accusing me right now. I'm saying it, because it's often said against other players, which had good scores, because they deserved it by good preparation during tournament, not because they have smurfed during registration. The best example here, which come first to my mind, is Sero, who really prepared well and became much better player during last YSL. | ||
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Birdie
New Zealand4438 Posts
On March 12 2014 00:55 LightningEdge wrote: This is where iccup ranks are subjective. Ranks in the past are not the same as the current ranks. Ranks currently are harder to achieve. Someone who is C+ right now could probably be in the B range in the past. Looking at the list of players right now, Jumper will lose to: ZeTy, Sero, Poetic, Julia, Cryoc, Southpark, and Modesty easily. So I think you need to look past iccup ranks and access players in a different way. Yo Jumperer is the best foreign broodwar player at the moment, you smoking some STROOOONG psychedelics man. | ||
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fearthequeen
United States788 Posts
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Jealous
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On March 12 2014 04:09 Birdie wrote: Yo Jumperer is the best foreign broodwar player at the moment, you smoking some STROOOONG psychedelics man. | ||
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LuMiX
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
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yellowsmile
United States293 Posts
sync put his effort to organize this. can we show some respects to him? i hope i will see more analyze and prediction about the groups instead of discussion about players who are not participated in the league. | ||
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SynC[gm]
United States3127 Posts
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