Yh... Sea also played pretty dumb. Also I don't think that theres a reason for not having vision around your base.
I remember losing to fact float back when I was D- since then I've always been building my 2nd pylon to spot... And I was what C max, not anymore probably. Compared to Sea who could easily get olympic on iccup.
On February 08 2014 21:31 RowdierBob wrote: Wow, Hero is so sick at zvp. Should've been much further behind after that failed opening.
He was ahead after that opening. That's the thing with those 3 hatch hydra strats, most of the time you do enough damage that you won't really be behind even if you "fail".
hmm u are not good at bw.
good argument.
i don't get it either. Can you explain why he was supposed to be so much behind after he killed gate,forge, 10-15 probes and forced like 4? cannons. While not loosing too many hydras so he was completely safe against (early) reaver harass?.
Because going for early hydra bust means that you won't have a lot of drones and you'll have pretty bad economy as Zerg. After the hydra bust failed, hero had to spend considerable amount of time making drones and rebuilding his economy.
But still, the game was pretty equal and I actually think the Movie threw that game because when he killed the 3rd of hero, he should've just gone to kill 12 o'clock expansion as well, which only had one sunken as well. He had more than enough units to do it easily, but maybe he didn't scout it in time or something, I really have no idea why he wouldn't go for it, but he instead just danced around with his units back and forth and then even tried attacking the natural.
Pretty much this. BW isn't SC2--you can't pump drones at will. Throwing all those resources into an early game hydra bust comes at a huge eco cost if you don't outright win or do significant damage. Hero's saving grace was killing enough probes to keep the game relatively even. He was still behind though but Movie couldn't get it done.
what has sc2 to do with anything? My point was that hero did huge eco dmg to movie, while keeping a strong enough hydra army to keep transition/pumping drones without risk after the burst. Thus, he somewhat made up for the eco investment he took early. Of course, if he hadn't killed the probes he would have been substantially behind. But he did. That's why I was wondering about "u are not good at bw" when it was a fair point that he "hydra all-in" wasn't a total "fail".
lol, I saw exactly this happening after Sea's loss to Jaehoon the other day. I knew that modesty is capable of beating Hero but probably still a slight underdog in the bo3 and that Hero's ZvP is too good for Movie on circuit breaker. It's a real shame that Sea's TvP is so weak right now, it used to be stronger and as a result it appears he won't be able to get another SSL title.
edit: Thnx for the cast, caught it live from 6am till 11
I think we are now seeing Sea's nerve striking him again. He isn't called "King of ProLeague" for no reason. The games he played today were sloppy. Its just sooner or later that good mentality player like Mind to take the number 1 Terran place.
P.S. Hoping to see Bisu vs hero soon in the Quarterfinal just because that will be interesting. I don't think any Protoss in the world can challenge hero's ZvP atm.
really entertaining series (the pvts and zvp that i watched, skipped the zvz/tvz lol) today, this ssl feels a lot like the old msl/osl and im making an effort to catch more games now
about hero vs movie, hero was definitely ahead all game (killing all the probes in the natural and losing almost no hydras is pretty big..) until the point where movies attack at his 3rd forced him into a horrible position and he lost that base, at which point he was behind, and only came back because he continuously denied movies 3rd base with excellent muta micro and guerrilla tactics
On February 09 2014 04:37 Xiphos wrote: I think we are now seeing Sea's nerve striking him again. He isn't called "King of ProLeague" for no reason. The games he played today were sloppy. Its just sooner or later that good mentality player like Mind to take the number 1 Terran place.