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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
December 17 2013 22:35 GMT
#1721
are we ever gonna get weeks 2-5 from msj?
cant see anything cuz they cant finish games or turn in reps :/
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msj[r2d2]
Profile Joined January 2013
Russian Federation25 Posts
December 17 2013 23:14 GMT
#1722
On December 18 2013 07:35 arb wrote:
are we ever gonna get weeks 2-5 from msj?
cant see anything cuz they cant finish games or turn in reps :/

yeap, sorry. In 1-2 days Lir would send them, i think. We've collected probably all replays.
Except 4th week Magreidis vs mSj[Anxarat] @ Circuit Breaker. As I've heard, Magredis asked for PP and did not answer to Anxarat at skype -- We can wait for 1-2 days Magredis really want to play, just send some words at skype to Anxarat --
vodka.
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George_the_man
Profile Joined May 2011
796 Posts
December 17 2013 23:25 GMT
#1723
On December 18 2013 08:14 msj[r2d2] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 07:35 arb wrote:
are we ever gonna get weeks 2-5 from msj?
cant see anything cuz they cant finish games or turn in reps :/

yeap, sorry. In 1-2 days Lir would send them, i think. We've collected probably all replays.
Except 4th week Magreidis vs mSj[Anxarat] @ Circuit Breaker. As I've heard, Magredis asked for PP and did not answer to Anxarat at skype -- We can wait for 1-2 days Magredis really want to play, just send some words at skype to Anxarat --
vodka.


replays is one thing , but posting results shouldnt be a problem..
CityShuffle
Profile Joined November 2012
France57 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-17 23:28:49
December 17 2013 23:25 GMT
#1724
On December 18 2013 07:02 L_Master wrote:
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On December 18 2013 06:13 CityShuffle wrote:
Same as tonight, seems fun, but without banned people.


Spoiling to avoid a major distraction to DRTL discussion

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I can understand this sentiment, but my personal belief is that people can, and do, make mistakes and do stupid shit. They deserve some punishment, and indeed they have received that in the form of being banned from all D/C ranks events.

That said, I don't feel a stupid decision or two merits a lifetime of being banished from the community and scene. A length ban (4-5 yr) from competitive play is one thing, but I don't believe total ostracizion from the community is warranted.


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You may not remember it, but in the DRTL season 4 the multiples cheat cost team Ace his spot in play-off with the addition of the NW massive w/o and Sun Khan winning us 3-2.

And you ask people of Ace to be happy to join an event with thoses same guyz ? babo was forgiven already, and did reitered cheat everywhere he went, and you ask us to accept thoses players who fucked up the DRTL league ?

Seriously, please take a second and think about how many players you gonna insult by let them participate. just the fact you can consider it is an insult.


Side note, my result against HBT
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EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
December 17 2013 23:36 GMT
#1725
On December 18 2013 07:02 L_Master wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 06:13 CityShuffle wrote:
Same as tonight, seems fun, but without banned people.


Spoiling to avoid a major distraction to DRTL discussion

+ Show Spoiler +
I can understand this sentiment, but my personal belief is that people can, and do, make mistakes and do stupid shit. They deserve some punishment, and indeed they have received that in the form of being banned from all D/C ranks events.

That said, I don't feel a stupid decision or two merits a lifetime of being banished from the community and scene. A length ban (4-5 yr) from competitive play is one thing, but I don't believe total ostracizion from the community is warranted.

+ Show Spoiler +
I believe in forgiveness as well, but fanatacist/Babo and his associates have been guilty to scumbaggery time and time again. At least 3 confirmed cases of smurfing and multiple perma-bans across many accounts on TL should reveal a history of behavior that can't really be trusted, to say the least.
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Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
December 17 2013 23:43 GMT
#1726
On December 18 2013 07:02 L_Master wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 06:13 CityShuffle wrote:
Same as tonight, seems fun, but without banned people.


Spoiling to avoid a major distraction to DRTL discussion

+ Show Spoiler +
I can understand this sentiment, but my personal belief is that people can, and do, make mistakes and do stupid shit. They deserve some punishment, and indeed they have received that in the form of being banned from all D/C ranks events.

That said, I don't feel a stupid decision or two merits a lifetime of being banished from the community and scene. A length ban (4-5 yr) from competitive play is one thing, but I don't believe total ostracizion from the community is warranted.

+ Show Spoiler +
Not to mention that I don't think they ever apologized. I'd be happy to forgive them if they showed a reasonable amount of remorse and apologized publicly to the community, but they haven't.

Red classic | A butterfly dreamed he was Zhuangzi | 4.5k, heading to 5k as support!
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-18 00:05:48
December 18 2013 00:05 GMT
#1727
I think its completely ridiculous to allow Babo and his cheater friends into any DRTL event. Do you guys realize that because of all their cheating, DRTL4 was a complete joke? The team who won it in the end also had nearly all of its relevant members banned after the fact for being smurfing cheaters. And now its being considered to allow them back? What a joke.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
December 18 2013 00:44 GMT
#1728
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On December 18 2013 09:05 Sentenal wrote:
I think its completely ridiculous to allow Babo and his cheater friends into any DRTL event. Do you guys realize that because of all their cheating, DRTL4 was a complete joke? The team who won it in the end also had nearly all of its relevant members banned after the fact for being smurfing cheaters. And now its being considered to allow them back? What a joke.


Only if you consider a one off, non-competitive showmatch to be allowing them back. This isn't DRTL, at least not in my mind, its a one-off legacy/showmatch type event.

On December 18 2013 08:43 Birdie wrote:
Not to mention that I don't think they ever apologized. I'd be happy to forgive them if they showed a reasonable amount of remorse and apologized publicly to the community, but they haven't.


No, this isn't a full fledged "I'm sorry", but in some ways I'm more convinced by this than an apology that could easily be bullshitted. He pretty much just validated everything Nina said, the large portion of which had to do with thoughts on his cheating.

A formal apology would be nice however, IF he decides to play, and IF I decide to allow it.

On September 10 2013 19:33 Jealous wrote:
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On September 10 2013 15:24 ninazerg wrote:
On September 10 2013 12:35 Jealous wrote:

1) Smurfing into the league was of course a despicable act that was committed due to jetlag in Thailand. It was for the lulz.

2) Posting in this thread whining about echo being better than me - I do not lose or gain anything from saying the things I say. I just wanted to motivate him; even if its not fun for him, it is clear that he is better than me and most people who are in this league, including you and many other "C-" players. I'm trying to convince him that it is worth it to ladder to test your worth as a player.

3) There was no walk-over, I PM'd because I didn't want to make a publicly huge deal of the fact that Gao lost 3-0, and has henceforth dodged me at every opportunity stating something along the lines of "fuck protoss." I didn't want to be inflammatory or to single him out, considering, like I said, "It's not my place..." The fact that I spend 60 seconds while drunk typing things does not equate to my excessive amount of caring for "D"R anymore. I am just stating opinions,.

4) Sick dodge.


1. I'm only typing this because it's quarter-moon and this greatly decreases my wolf-powers.

2. Here's what you should do instead of trying to talk echOne into playing: "Guys, I really was upset because I feel as though people are clearly cheating in the D-ranks tours, and because of that, I was like 'Okay, if they're going to be allowed to cheat, then fuck it, I'll give them a taste of their own medicine.' and that was really wrong of me. The truth is, I really like the D-ranks tours and wish I could still play because I really enjoy StarCraft, but I feel like some of the cheating problems in this league still persist. Sometimes it's difficult for me to express myself because I feel like the community of friends I once had in StarCraft is rejecting me. I know I cheated, but it still hurts, and I'm only human. Sometimes I lash out at others because of the way I feel. I also enjoy alcohol, and sometimes consume excessive amounts of it, and say things without thinking, and I'm working on that (not really but haha). I don't expect you guys to take me back or forgive me. What I did was wrong, but I still feel like I need to say something about this because giraffes."

3. But seriously, fuck protoss.

4. You're pretty badass challenging a D-level player to a bo9, can I have your autograph?


Nina can I be your fanclub president? (If Draw is; I'll take VP). This is by far one of the funniest, most insightful posts I've ever read. I laughed my ass off hahaha xD Thank you. That post is so fucking true and I know I didn't tell anyone on TL. I don't even...

Seriously though, whaaaaat. Much much newfound respect for you Nina.


On December 18 2013 08:36 EchOne wrote:

I believe in forgiveness as well, but fanatacist/Babo and his associates have been guilty to scumbaggery time and time again. At least 3 confirmed cases of smurfing and multiple perma-bans across many accounts on TL should reveal a history of behavior that can't really be trusted, to say the least.


A player cheating uncaught for a while is bad, but what I really will take issue with is if they cheated, got caught, then cheated again. That's deliberate, and shows an attitude of "I' okay with cheating, just not okay with getting caught."

This is indeed an issue, and the thing that will be the deciding factor if I do not allow him to play. It's worth me mentioning that to the best of my knowledge however beach only cheated/smurfed in one single incident, that being the one in DRIT against Dazed. If I am wrong feel free to set the record straight.

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KazeHydra
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan2788 Posts
December 18 2013 00:45 GMT
#1729
On December 18 2013 08:36 EchOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 07:02 L_Master wrote:
On December 18 2013 06:13 CityShuffle wrote:
Same as tonight, seems fun, but without banned people.


Spoiling to avoid a major distraction to DRTL discussion

+ Show Spoiler +
I can understand this sentiment, but my personal belief is that people can, and do, make mistakes and do stupid shit. They deserve some punishment, and indeed they have received that in the form of being banned from all D/C ranks events.

That said, I don't feel a stupid decision or two merits a lifetime of being banished from the community and scene. A length ban (4-5 yr) from competitive play is one thing, but I don't believe total ostracizion from the community is warranted.

+ Show Spoiler +
I believe in forgiveness as well, but fanatacist/Babo and his associates have been guilty to scumbaggery time and time again. At least 3 confirmed cases of smurfing and multiple perma-bans across many accounts on TL should reveal a history of behavior that can't really be trusted, to say the least.

+ Show Spoiler +
Yup. A one time offense is one thing - fine, people make dumb decisions sometimes. But Babo and friends have still tried to smurf into D rank events since being banned and chalk it up as "being bored" while making inflammatory remarks toward D rank players and that they "don't actually care" about the league.

I think the community reaction was initially "sorry, you're banned," but after seeing what they've done since has inspired the current ostracizing, which in this case is deserved.
"Because I know this promise that won’t disappear will turn even a cause of tears into strength. You taught me that if I can believe, there is nothing that cannot come true." - Nana Mizuki (Yakusoku) 17:36 ils kaze got me into nana 17:36 ils by his blog
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
December 18 2013 01:00 GMT
#1730
Beach didn't just smurf one game. ImattheBeach WAS a smurf account. The game that tipped people off was when SlowBullets "smurfed" a game for him, but this was actually misleading. As it turns out, Beach was SlowBullets, the C Ranked captain who also got banned for cheating in CRTL. Every single game he played in this league was an infraction.

Its a complete joke that you are considering allowing these banned scumbags who ruined DRTL4 to play in any DRTL event.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
December 18 2013 01:16 GMT
#1731
Seems I missed a load of Drama from missing DRTL4. I still can't work out why people bother smurfing or cheating, I guess they might find it fun but I have no idea why.
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tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
December 18 2013 01:17 GMT
#1732
I've been smurfing my entire life
if I come without a thing, then I come with all I need @tonightsend
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
December 18 2013 02:05 GMT
#1733
It's not even entirely a matter of forgiveness. You cant forgive until the person acknowledges the wrong and is contrite. Imatthebeach fucking flamed and trolled the thread after it happened, for like two months. Clearly he isnt on the level to be trusted, whatever pretensions of genuine regret he might of thrown around later on.
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
December 18 2013 04:34 GMT
#1734
On December 18 2013 10:00 Sentenal wrote:
Beach didn't just smurf one game. ImattheBeach WAS a smurf account. The game that tipped people off was when SlowBullets "smurfed" a game for him, but this was actually misleading. As it turns out, Beach was SlowBullets, the C Ranked captain who also got banned for cheating in CRTL. Every single game he played in this league was an infraction.

Its a complete joke that you are considering allowing these banned scumbags who ruined DRTL4 to play in any DRTL event.

he seemed more like a d rank player to me to be fair
he was pretty awful, i beat him with bcs and nukes l0l.
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Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17727 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-18 04:49:07
December 18 2013 04:48 GMT
#1735
Well if it is him, it is his off race.
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
December 18 2013 06:24 GMT
#1736
There was both a player called ImAtTheBeach and a guy called SlowBullets/Sugo[PaiN]/Minister who smurfed on his account (I think they're all the same, or at least in the same house). ImAtTheBeach was like D+/C-, the others are B level.
Red classic | A butterfly dreamed he was Zhuangzi | 4.5k, heading to 5k as support!
SynC[gm]
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States3127 Posts
December 18 2013 07:07 GMT
#1737
On December 18 2013 07:35 arb wrote:
are we ever gonna get weeks 2-5 from msj?
cant see anything cuz they cant finish games or turn in reps :/

Thing about mSj folks is that when they win, they simply submit reps, so we have to find out the score from watching the replays.

On December 18 2013 10:17 tonight wrote:
I've been smurfing my entire life

Ain't nobody care about you.
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Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11390 Posts
December 18 2013 07:10 GMT
#1738
On December 18 2013 15:24 Birdie wrote:
There was both a player called ImAtTheBeach and a guy called SlowBullets/Sugo[PaiN]/Minister who smurfed on his account (I think they're all the same, or at least in the same house). ImAtTheBeach was like D+/C-, the others are B level.

Slowbullets and sugo_v_ are two different people.
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EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-18 07:21:03
December 18 2013 07:11 GMT
#1739
On December 18 2013 16:07 SynC[gm] wrote:
so we have to find out the score from watching the replays.

To be fair, confirming results is kind of an organizer's responsibility.
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-18 07:37:58
December 18 2013 07:35 GMT
#1740
On December 18 2013 16:11 EchOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 16:07 SynC[gm] wrote:
so we have to find out the score from watching the replays.

To be fair, confirming results is kind of an organizer's responsibility.

yeah but they could just say we won 5-0, no real point in lying when you have reps to back it up if they're 0-5 and they decide to lie about


also could scroll to the last few lines in bw chart to see xx has left the game too.
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