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pebble444
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Italy2503 Posts
April 22 2013 04:40 GMT
#1621
I agree ACE should have some kind of bonus since they actually beat NW power 5-0
"Awaken my Child, and embrace the Glory that is your Birthright"
SynC[gm]
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States3127 Posts
April 22 2013 04:46 GMT
#1622
On April 22 2013 13:40 pebble444 wrote:
I agree ACE should have some kind of bonus since they actually beat NW power 5-0


Technically, it was 3-2, but I guess that's the same as winning 5-0...
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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10365 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-22 06:15:53
April 22 2013 05:34 GMT
#1623
On April 22 2013 13:28 SynC[gm] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 11:36 Spazer wrote:
On April 22 2013 10:48 SynC[gm] wrote:
Maybe we should put in some type of condition so that Ace will benefit from this in some way... Because all the teams will basically get a win added to their record, in case of a tiebreaker even after map win/loss, if Ace is part of the tiebreaker, because they beat NW Power, they hold the tiebreaker?

I dunno, I feel like Ace should be rewarded or at least not come out on the wrong end of this, because like I said, I feel like there's no absolute fair way of resolving this because of Sinedd's ignorance and the Polish players of NW Power wanting to win so badly, they were willing to break the rules.

You could annul all the NW matchups and just award ACE with a +1 to map wins.


That's what I was actually proposing. Null out the games of those who played/will play NW Power, play out the rest of the schedule as if two teams have byes, and go on from there. That way, it won't really take away from those that beat NW Power, and won't reward as much as those who lost to NW Power rather than playing it out as if those who lost, beat NW Power 5-0.

There are 3 issues with this:

1. This still means ACE doesn't get their win. However, I am against giving them a special bonus just because they won while everyone else lost. Why? Because the last 3 teams are in the top 4, and they could have won also, now they have no opportunity to gain the same bonus. It's unfair to 3 teams as opposed to being slightly unfair to 1 team (they still get a point increase).

2. The main reason why I propose 5-0 instead of nulling is because NW proved to be a very shady team with players both proven and suspected of being above the league's skill level. This means that there were matches where the questionable players swung the series in their favor. As a result, teams that might have beaten a FAIR NW did not. It's either null EVERYONE (including ACE) and continue with 2 BYE, or give 5-0 to everyone which makes more sense to me because...

3. 5-0 was already awarded to Phoenix and soon most likely DeSPA.

EDIT: Also, the poll is pretty lopsided, and the option you presented is already there xP

EDIT 2: New page, same poll:

Poll: NW Power?

Set ALL vs. NW matches to 5-0 (20)
 
80%

Give 5-0 W/O only to the teams yet to play them (4)
 
16%

Remove them and their games from league, change schedule (1)
 
4%

Other (please specify) (0)
 
0%

25 total votes

Your vote: NW Power?

(Vote): Set ALL vs. NW matches to 5-0
(Vote): Give 5-0 W/O only to the teams yet to play them
(Vote): Remove them and their games from league, change schedule
(Vote): Other (please specify)


"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5500 Posts
April 22 2013 06:03 GMT
#1624
On April 22 2013 10:48 SynC[gm] wrote:
Maybe we should put in some type of condition so that Ace will benefit from this in some way... Because all the teams will basically get a win added to their record, in case of a tiebreaker even after map win/loss, if Ace is part of the tiebreaker, because they beat NW Power, they hold the tiebreaker?

I dunno, I feel like Ace should be rewarded or at least not come out on the wrong end of this, because like I said, I feel like there's no absolute fair way of resolving this because of Sinedd's ignorance and the Polish players of NW Power wanting to win so badly, they were willing to break the rules.

What happened to Sinedd anyway? I miss his wierdly formated posts (Hmmm not really).
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10365 Posts
April 22 2013 06:14 GMT
#1625
On April 22 2013 15:03 thezanursic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 10:48 SynC[gm] wrote:
Maybe we should put in some type of condition so that Ace will benefit from this in some way... Because all the teams will basically get a win added to their record, in case of a tiebreaker even after map win/loss, if Ace is part of the tiebreaker, because they beat NW Power, they hold the tiebreaker?

I dunno, I feel like Ace should be rewarded or at least not come out on the wrong end of this, because like I said, I feel like there's no absolute fair way of resolving this because of Sinedd's ignorance and the Polish players of NW Power wanting to win so badly, they were willing to break the rules.

What happened to Sinedd anyway? I miss his wierdly formated posts (Hmmm not really).

He posted this week in the GC thread and in the ICCup map competition thread. I checked, to see if he is just dodging this thread or TL completely. Unfortunately, we were not so lucky

am I correct saying this for all of us yes guys
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5500 Posts
April 22 2013 06:25 GMT
#1626
On April 22 2013 15:14 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 15:03 thezanursic wrote:
On April 22 2013 10:48 SynC[gm] wrote:
Maybe we should put in some type of condition so that Ace will benefit from this in some way... Because all the teams will basically get a win added to their record, in case of a tiebreaker even after map win/loss, if Ace is part of the tiebreaker, because they beat NW Power, they hold the tiebreaker?

I dunno, I feel like Ace should be rewarded or at least not come out on the wrong end of this, because like I said, I feel like there's no absolute fair way of resolving this because of Sinedd's ignorance and the Polish players of NW Power wanting to win so badly, they were willing to break the rules.

What happened to Sinedd anyway? I miss his wierdly formated posts (Hmmm not really).

He posted this week in the GC thread and in the ICCup map competition thread. I checked, to see if he is just dodging this thread or TL completely. Unfortunately, we were not so lucky

am I correct saying this for all of us yes guys

I don't know. We should probably wait and see what he has to say about it. You never know he might have a good reason.
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-22 07:06:26
April 22 2013 07:05 GMT
#1627
On April 22 2013 01:27 Spazer wrote:
It ain't cool until somebody actually works up the courage to sing it.


I may do this for shits and giggles.

Unfortunately, I don't really know how to write music or even a simple melody so we'll just have to see wtf happens. Whole thing may be a disaster...but even if it who gives a fuck. Should be entertaining either way. no? :p
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
NotJumperer
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States1371 Posts
April 22 2013 08:13 GMT
#1628
--- Nuked ---
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
April 22 2013 08:18 GMT
#1629
On April 22 2013 17:13 Jumperer wrote:
hello all, I'm new to starcraft, i'm probably D level and I need a team.


Welcome to TAKK, KingDt!
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
April 22 2013 08:20 GMT
#1630
On April 22 2013 17:13 Jumperer wrote:
hello all, I'm new to starcraft, i'm probably D level and I need a team.


I know a team that is your level, it's called SJ... :nicekidca:
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
April 22 2013 08:20 GMT
#1631
On April 22 2013 17:13 Jumperer wrote:
hello all, I'm new to starcraft, i'm probably D level and I need a team.

You will fit right in with stealth bunnies, definitely could do with some newbies on the team ;D
Red classic | A butterfly dreamed he was Zhuangzi | 4.5k, heading to 5k as support!
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10365 Posts
April 22 2013 13:41 GMT
#1632
On April 22 2013 16:05 L_Master wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 01:27 Spazer wrote:
It ain't cool until somebody actually works up the courage to sing it.


I may do this for shits and giggles.

Unfortunately, I don't really know how to write music or even a simple melody so we'll just have to see wtf happens. Whole thing may be a disaster...but even if it who gives a fuck. Should be entertaining either way. no? :p

I linked the melody you need on the previous page xD

Thanks for supporting Sun Khan!
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
April 22 2013 13:48 GMT
#1633
On April 22 2013 22:41 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 16:05 L_Master wrote:
On April 22 2013 01:27 Spazer wrote:
It ain't cool until somebody actually works up the courage to sing it.


I may do this for shits and giggles.

Unfortunately, I don't really know how to write music or even a simple melody so we'll just have to see wtf happens. Whole thing may be a disaster...but even if it who gives a fuck. Should be entertaining either way. no? :p

I linked the melody you need on the previous page xD

Thanks for supporting Sun Khan!


I'll see if I can find some sheet music or something and see if I can set it to words. This is going to definitely max out my music capabilities lol.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-23 01:47:46
April 23 2013 01:47 GMT
#1634
Some new maps this time around, hope we won't see any objections.


Week 8 Map Order
<Neo Legacy of Char>
<Neo Jade>
<Fastest Green!>
<Blood Bath>
<Crazy Critters>



EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
April 23 2013 02:12 GMT
#1635
On April 23 2013 10:47 L_Master wrote:
Some new maps this time around, hope we won't see any objections.


Week 8 Map Order
<Neo Legacy of Char>
<Neo Jade>
<Fastest Green!>
<Blood Bath>
<Crazy Critters>




lol, funniest inclusion in that list
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
April 23 2013 02:28 GMT
#1636
On April 23 2013 11:12 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 10:47 L_Master wrote:
Some new maps this time around, hope we won't see any objections.


Week 8 Map Order
<Neo Legacy of Char>
<Neo Jade>
<Fastest Green!>
<Blood Bath>
<Crazy Critters>




lol, funniest inclusion in that list


Well, I had to leave on standard or else people might complain to much. Not EVERYONE can be expected to prepare for a new map :p
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
April 23 2013 02:29 GMT
#1637
In all seriousness:


Week 8 Map Order
<Fighting Spirit>
<Neo Jade>
<Resonance II>
<Gemlong>
<Circuit Breaker>


EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10365 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-23 03:59:48
April 23 2013 03:59 GMT
#1638
Using this week as my hyperbolic time chamber, I will play 100 ladder games.

EDIT: Started at 54 games total.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Prince_Stranger
Profile Joined November 2010
Kazakhstan762 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 07:08:42
April 23 2013 17:57 GMT
#1639
+ Show Spoiler [Phoenix vs msj] +

msj 1-2 Phoenix so far

mSj[holy] <Fighting Spirit> Daenil pp (complex thing pp was requested when game time came)
mSj[fury] <Neo Jade> ProForward pp played today
mSj[naxel] <Neo Electric Circuit> herokiller_ both can't create for each other and mSj[naxel] can't play with 3 or more players created (btw, didn't heard about such thing before). When herokiller_ asked when mSj[naxel] wants postpone he said can't play, so not sure maybe pp
mSj[r2d2] <Circuit Breaker> Animus
mSj[eevy] <Gemlong> sGs.Kalk

UPD. mSj[holy] <Fighting Spirit> Daenil dealt about pp
UPD2. Actually they didn't dealt. I misunderstood abitStar (msj captain). They are in the process of appointing pp.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong
DarkNetHunter
Profile Joined October 2012
1224 Posts
April 23 2013 18:40 GMT
#1640
On April 24 2013 02:57 Prince_Stranger wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [Phoenix vs msj] +

msj 1-2 Phoenix so far

mSj[holy] <Fighting Spirit> Daenil pp (complex thing pp was requested when game time came)
mSj[fury] <Neo Jade> ProForward pp played today
mSj[naxel] <Neo Electric Circuit> herokiller_ both can't create for each other and mSj[naxel] can't play with 3 or more players created (btw, didn't heard about such thing before). When herokiller_ asked when mSj[naxel] wants postpone he said can't play, so not sure maybe pp
mSj[r2d2] <Circuit Breaker> Animus
mSj[eevy] <Gemlong> sGs.Kalk

UPD. mSj[holy] <Fighting Spirit> Daenil dealt about pp



+ Show Spoiler +
I've encountered naxels problem before, unless herokiller can get his hosting fixed I'd suggest either team does a substitution.




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