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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
March 22 2013 21:54 GMT
#1041
Maybe just give every team regardless of result a point for beating mSj, then just continue on like they never existed.
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Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
March 22 2013 22:04 GMT
#1042
On March 23 2013 06:54 arb wrote:
Maybe just give every team regardless of result a point for beating mSj, then just continue on like they never existed.

We've done that last season, it worked OK.

Alternatively we could have a Round of 16 minitour between the two teams not having games that week for the league, like a showmatch type of thing that doesn't count to the final league standings.
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fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
March 22 2013 22:13 GMT
#1043
We should brainstorm ways to avoid things like this happen in future, but still allow "external teams" to join the league.
"When the geyser died, a probe came out" - SirJolt
pebble444
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Italy2498 Posts
March 22 2013 22:21 GMT
#1044
On March 23 2013 06:16 traceurling wrote:
Well you can just void any wins against msj, and rearrange the schedule...


This
"Awaken my Child, and embrace the Glory that is your Birthright"
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8032 Posts
March 22 2013 22:24 GMT
#1045
On March 23 2013 02:31 Nagisama wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2013 01:45 KazeHydra wrote:
I believe "Astrogenation" is supposed to be Astrogation.
edit: WTF it's even like that on the liquipedia page. NAGI WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?

Week 3 lineups were done by spazer. I assumed he had enough sense to spell it correctly. Clearly not. =\

Blame lmaster. You're crazy if you think I'm typing those in manually.
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SynC[gm]
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States3127 Posts
March 23 2013 00:49 GMT
#1046
On March 23 2013 07:21 pebble444 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2013 06:16 traceurling wrote:
Well you can just void any wins against msj, and rearrange the schedule...


This


Like Echo said in a previous post, it'd be incredibly difficult to totally rearrange the schedule so that every team will play all 7 other teams, and NOT be able to replace mSj without possibly playing a team they've already played before...

Unless we DO decide to start the entire season over, which is a bit... Unorthodox, but probably the most effective decision at this point, without rearranging the entire schedule.
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
March 23 2013 00:51 GMT
#1047
On March 23 2013 09:49 SynC[gm] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2013 07:21 pebble444 wrote:
On March 23 2013 06:16 traceurling wrote:
Well you can just void any wins against msj, and rearrange the schedule...


This


Like Echo said in a previous post, it'd be incredibly difficult to totally rearrange the schedule so that every team will play all 7 other teams, and NOT be able to replace mSj without possibly playing a team they've already played before...

Unless we DO decide to start the entire season over, which is a bit... Unorthodox, but probably the most effective decision at this point, without rearranging the entire schedule.

Just give everyone +1 point, then continue on with the byes like usual. it'll all end up the same wont it? everyone gets 1 pt for a w.o vs Msj and it'll be like they never played but everyone was just starting 1 pt up.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-23 01:01:32
March 23 2013 00:58 GMT
#1048
On March 23 2013 09:51 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2013 09:49 SynC[gm] wrote:
On March 23 2013 07:21 pebble444 wrote:
On March 23 2013 06:16 traceurling wrote:
Well you can just void any wins against msj, and rearrange the schedule...


This


Like Echo said in a previous post, it'd be incredibly difficult to totally rearrange the schedule so that every team will play all 7 other teams, and NOT be able to replace mSj without possibly playing a team they've already played before...

Unless we DO decide to start the entire season over, which is a bit... Unorthodox, but probably the most effective decision at this point, without rearranging the entire schedule.

Just give everyone +1 point, then continue on with the byes like usual. it'll all end up the same wont it? everyone gets 1 pt for a w.o vs Msj and it'll be like they never played but everyone was just starting 1 pt up.

It won't end up the same, because right now the schedule is designed to have every team play every other team once, with a bye week for each team factored in. I'm pretty sure its impossible, at this point, to rearrange the schedule to have every team play the same amount of games, and have every team play each other only once. Those conditions are required for a fair and impartial schedule, and I don't think its possible to change it at this point. Although, I would certainly like to be proven wrong, if someone can do it.

About restarting the league, that is even more unfair, and an insult to all the teams who have won their matches so far.

edit: I think I misunderstood your post... Yeah, that sounds like what we are going to do. Everyone just walks over Msj, and continues on as normal. So essentially, every week two teams will have a bye.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
SynC[gm]
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States3127 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-23 01:03:35
March 23 2013 01:02 GMT
#1049
On March 23 2013 09:58 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2013 09:51 arb wrote:
On March 23 2013 09:49 SynC[gm] wrote:
On March 23 2013 07:21 pebble444 wrote:
On March 23 2013 06:16 traceurling wrote:
Well you can just void any wins against msj, and rearrange the schedule...


This


Like Echo said in a previous post, it'd be incredibly difficult to totally rearrange the schedule so that every team will play all 7 other teams, and NOT be able to replace mSj without possibly playing a team they've already played before...

Unless we DO decide to start the entire season over, which is a bit... Unorthodox, but probably the most effective decision at this point, without rearranging the entire schedule.

Just give everyone +1 point, then continue on with the byes like usual. it'll all end up the same wont it? everyone gets 1 pt for a w.o vs Msj and it'll be like they never played but everyone was just starting 1 pt up.

It won't end up the same, because right now the schedule is designed to have every team play every other team once, with a bye week for each team factored in. I'm pretty sure its impossible, at this point, to rearrange the schedule to have every team play the same amount of games, and have every team play each other only once. Those conditions are required for a fair and impartial schedule, and I don't think its possible to change it at this point. Although, I would certainly like to be proven wrong, if someone can do it.

About restarting the league, that is even more unfair, and an insult to all the teams who have won their matches so far.


Which is why TAKK is all for it!

But I'll try to generate a schedule for matchups that doesn't coincide with games up to Week 3 that doesn't involve mSj but I doubt it's possible... Maybe it is, but if someone can find an algorithm or something for it, that'd be even better...

EDIT: @Sentenal, technically, it won't be every week, since in a future week, Week 6 to be exact, mSj will have a bye, so no "active" teams will be having byes that week.
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L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
March 23 2013 01:20 GMT
#1050
I can always form a one man mSj consisting of me, myself, my ego, my identity, and I.
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fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
March 23 2013 01:20 GMT
#1051
Restarting the league should be out of question.

Just pretend everyone beat mSj from round 1 and on (with all matches being 3-0), its simple math.
"When the geyser died, a probe came out" - SirJolt
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
March 23 2013 01:21 GMT
#1052
On March 23 2013 09:58 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2013 09:51 arb wrote:
On March 23 2013 09:49 SynC[gm] wrote:
On March 23 2013 07:21 pebble444 wrote:
On March 23 2013 06:16 traceurling wrote:
Well you can just void any wins against msj, and rearrange the schedule...


This


Like Echo said in a previous post, it'd be incredibly difficult to totally rearrange the schedule so that every team will play all 7 other teams, and NOT be able to replace mSj without possibly playing a team they've already played before...

Unless we DO decide to start the entire season over, which is a bit... Unorthodox, but probably the most effective decision at this point, without rearranging the entire schedule.

Just give everyone +1 point, then continue on with the byes like usual. it'll all end up the same wont it? everyone gets 1 pt for a w.o vs Msj and it'll be like they never played but everyone was just starting 1 pt up.

It won't end up the same, because right now the schedule is designed to have every team play every other team once, with a bye week for each team factored in. I'm pretty sure its impossible, at this point, to rearrange the schedule to have every team play the same amount of games, and have every team play each other only once. Those conditions are required for a fair and impartial schedule, and I don't think its possible to change it at this point. Although, I would certainly like to be proven wrong, if someone can do it.

About restarting the league, that is even more unfair, and an insult to all the teams who have won their matches so far.

edit: I think I misunderstood your post... Yeah, that sounds like what we are going to do. Everyone just walks over Msj, and continues on as normal. So essentially, every week two teams will have a bye.

This is why they shouldnt have been let in, in the first place
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
SynC[gm]
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States3127 Posts
March 23 2013 01:24 GMT
#1053
On March 23 2013 10:21 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2013 09:58 Sentenal wrote:
On March 23 2013 09:51 arb wrote:
On March 23 2013 09:49 SynC[gm] wrote:
On March 23 2013 07:21 pebble444 wrote:
On March 23 2013 06:16 traceurling wrote:
Well you can just void any wins against msj, and rearrange the schedule...


This


Like Echo said in a previous post, it'd be incredibly difficult to totally rearrange the schedule so that every team will play all 7 other teams, and NOT be able to replace mSj without possibly playing a team they've already played before...

Unless we DO decide to start the entire season over, which is a bit... Unorthodox, but probably the most effective decision at this point, without rearranging the entire schedule.

Just give everyone +1 point, then continue on with the byes like usual. it'll all end up the same wont it? everyone gets 1 pt for a w.o vs Msj and it'll be like they never played but everyone was just starting 1 pt up.

It won't end up the same, because right now the schedule is designed to have every team play every other team once, with a bye week for each team factored in. I'm pretty sure its impossible, at this point, to rearrange the schedule to have every team play the same amount of games, and have every team play each other only once. Those conditions are required for a fair and impartial schedule, and I don't think its possible to change it at this point. Although, I would certainly like to be proven wrong, if someone can do it.

About restarting the league, that is even more unfair, and an insult to all the teams who have won their matches so far.

edit: I think I misunderstood your post... Yeah, that sounds like what we are going to do. Everyone just walks over Msj, and continues on as normal. So essentially, every week two teams will have a bye.

This is why they shouldnt have been let in, in the first place


Hindsight is 20/20... >.>
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Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
March 23 2013 01:25 GMT
#1054
On March 23 2013 10:21 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2013 09:58 Sentenal wrote:
On March 23 2013 09:51 arb wrote:
On March 23 2013 09:49 SynC[gm] wrote:
On March 23 2013 07:21 pebble444 wrote:
On March 23 2013 06:16 traceurling wrote:
Well you can just void any wins against msj, and rearrange the schedule...


This


Like Echo said in a previous post, it'd be incredibly difficult to totally rearrange the schedule so that every team will play all 7 other teams, and NOT be able to replace mSj without possibly playing a team they've already played before...

Unless we DO decide to start the entire season over, which is a bit... Unorthodox, but probably the most effective decision at this point, without rearranging the entire schedule.

Just give everyone +1 point, then continue on with the byes like usual. it'll all end up the same wont it? everyone gets 1 pt for a w.o vs Msj and it'll be like they never played but everyone was just starting 1 pt up.

It won't end up the same, because right now the schedule is designed to have every team play every other team once, with a bye week for each team factored in. I'm pretty sure its impossible, at this point, to rearrange the schedule to have every team play the same amount of games, and have every team play each other only once. Those conditions are required for a fair and impartial schedule, and I don't think its possible to change it at this point. Although, I would certainly like to be proven wrong, if someone can do it.

About restarting the league, that is even more unfair, and an insult to all the teams who have won their matches so far.

edit: I think I misunderstood your post... Yeah, that sounds like what we are going to do. Everyone just walks over Msj, and continues on as normal. So essentially, every week two teams will have a bye.

This is why they shouldnt have been let in, in the first place

True, but unless you have a time machine, nothing we can do about that at this point.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
CobaltBlu
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States919 Posts
March 23 2013 01:26 GMT
#1055
The fairest way to manage it is to just give everyone the same amount of points for their match vs mSj and forget they ever existed as has already been suggested.

Or you can let bigsandwich88 play all their matches.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
March 23 2013 01:29 GMT
#1056
On March 23 2013 10:25 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2013 10:21 arb wrote:
On March 23 2013 09:58 Sentenal wrote:
On March 23 2013 09:51 arb wrote:
On March 23 2013 09:49 SynC[gm] wrote:
On March 23 2013 07:21 pebble444 wrote:
On March 23 2013 06:16 traceurling wrote:
Well you can just void any wins against msj, and rearrange the schedule...


This


Like Echo said in a previous post, it'd be incredibly difficult to totally rearrange the schedule so that every team will play all 7 other teams, and NOT be able to replace mSj without possibly playing a team they've already played before...

Unless we DO decide to start the entire season over, which is a bit... Unorthodox, but probably the most effective decision at this point, without rearranging the entire schedule.

Just give everyone +1 point, then continue on with the byes like usual. it'll all end up the same wont it? everyone gets 1 pt for a w.o vs Msj and it'll be like they never played but everyone was just starting 1 pt up.

It won't end up the same, because right now the schedule is designed to have every team play every other team once, with a bye week for each team factored in. I'm pretty sure its impossible, at this point, to rearrange the schedule to have every team play the same amount of games, and have every team play each other only once. Those conditions are required for a fair and impartial schedule, and I don't think its possible to change it at this point. Although, I would certainly like to be proven wrong, if someone can do it.

About restarting the league, that is even more unfair, and an insult to all the teams who have won their matches so far.

edit: I think I misunderstood your post... Yeah, that sounds like what we are going to do. Everyone just walks over Msj, and continues on as normal. So essentially, every week two teams will have a bye.

This is why they shouldnt have been let in, in the first place

True, but unless you have a time machine, nothing we can do about that at this point.

Realistically, knowing none of them have TL accounts, none of them probably speak english, and we have NO way to contact any of them that it was a bad idea.

i coulda swore i said that somewhere earlier in the thread
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Nagisama
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada4481 Posts
March 23 2013 01:31 GMT
#1057
On March 23 2013 10:29 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2013 10:25 Sentenal wrote:
On March 23 2013 10:21 arb wrote:
On March 23 2013 09:58 Sentenal wrote:
On March 23 2013 09:51 arb wrote:
On March 23 2013 09:49 SynC[gm] wrote:
On March 23 2013 07:21 pebble444 wrote:
On March 23 2013 06:16 traceurling wrote:
Well you can just void any wins against msj, and rearrange the schedule...


This


Like Echo said in a previous post, it'd be incredibly difficult to totally rearrange the schedule so that every team will play all 7 other teams, and NOT be able to replace mSj without possibly playing a team they've already played before...

Unless we DO decide to start the entire season over, which is a bit... Unorthodox, but probably the most effective decision at this point, without rearranging the entire schedule.

Just give everyone +1 point, then continue on with the byes like usual. it'll all end up the same wont it? everyone gets 1 pt for a w.o vs Msj and it'll be like they never played but everyone was just starting 1 pt up.

It won't end up the same, because right now the schedule is designed to have every team play every other team once, with a bye week for each team factored in. I'm pretty sure its impossible, at this point, to rearrange the schedule to have every team play the same amount of games, and have every team play each other only once. Those conditions are required for a fair and impartial schedule, and I don't think its possible to change it at this point. Although, I would certainly like to be proven wrong, if someone can do it.

About restarting the league, that is even more unfair, and an insult to all the teams who have won their matches so far.

edit: I think I misunderstood your post... Yeah, that sounds like what we are going to do. Everyone just walks over Msj, and continues on as normal. So essentially, every week two teams will have a bye.

This is why they shouldnt have been let in, in the first place

True, but unless you have a time machine, nothing we can do about that at this point.

Realistically, knowing none of them have TL accounts, none of them probably speak english, and we have NO way to contact any of them that it was a bad idea.

i coulda swore i said that somewhere earlier in the thread

If you make that assumption, the same could have been said for NW power. But they've been relatively okay cept a few minor incidents.
Calendar"Everyone who has accomplished more than you has no life; Everyone who has accomplished less than you is a noob." | Elem: "nagi is actually really smart"
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
March 23 2013 01:36 GMT
#1058
On March 23 2013 10:31 Nagisama wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2013 10:29 arb wrote:
On March 23 2013 10:25 Sentenal wrote:
On March 23 2013 10:21 arb wrote:
On March 23 2013 09:58 Sentenal wrote:
On March 23 2013 09:51 arb wrote:
On March 23 2013 09:49 SynC[gm] wrote:
On March 23 2013 07:21 pebble444 wrote:
On March 23 2013 06:16 traceurling wrote:
Well you can just void any wins against msj, and rearrange the schedule...


This


Like Echo said in a previous post, it'd be incredibly difficult to totally rearrange the schedule so that every team will play all 7 other teams, and NOT be able to replace mSj without possibly playing a team they've already played before...

Unless we DO decide to start the entire season over, which is a bit... Unorthodox, but probably the most effective decision at this point, without rearranging the entire schedule.

Just give everyone +1 point, then continue on with the byes like usual. it'll all end up the same wont it? everyone gets 1 pt for a w.o vs Msj and it'll be like they never played but everyone was just starting 1 pt up.

It won't end up the same, because right now the schedule is designed to have every team play every other team once, with a bye week for each team factored in. I'm pretty sure its impossible, at this point, to rearrange the schedule to have every team play the same amount of games, and have every team play each other only once. Those conditions are required for a fair and impartial schedule, and I don't think its possible to change it at this point. Although, I would certainly like to be proven wrong, if someone can do it.

About restarting the league, that is even more unfair, and an insult to all the teams who have won their matches so far.

edit: I think I misunderstood your post... Yeah, that sounds like what we are going to do. Everyone just walks over Msj, and continues on as normal. So essentially, every week two teams will have a bye.

This is why they shouldnt have been let in, in the first place

True, but unless you have a time machine, nothing we can do about that at this point.

Realistically, knowing none of them have TL accounts, none of them probably speak english, and we have NO way to contact any of them that it was a bad idea.

i coulda swore i said that somewhere earlier in the thread

If you make that assumption, the same could have been said for NW power. But they've been relatively okay cept a few minor incidents.

And they've also got a long standing TL member who takes care of most everything and is like always on time with it too.

mSj comes out with someone who doesnt post here often, and is totally unreliable
big difference imo.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Psyonic_Reaver
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4337 Posts
March 23 2013 01:59 GMT
#1059
Only way to settle the bye issue is to have the best player from each team in a massive FFA. Winner gets to claim a team point. Problem solved.
So wait? I'm bad? =(
SynC[gm]
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States3127 Posts
March 23 2013 02:14 GMT
#1060
On March 23 2013 10:59 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
Only way to settle the bye issue is to have the best player from each team in a massive FFA. Winner gets to claim a team point. Problem solved.


Might as well do the FFA on Fastest Map Possible...
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