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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-17 22:19:14
October 17 2012 22:18 GMT
#61
Stardom(OD) aka Arya[wOk] coming back to TAKK after taking some time to figure stuff out LEgendary will be the captain here my info
Team:TAKK
Race: TvZ TvP PvT
Max rank: D+
Edit:My current name is Stardom(OD)
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10192 Posts
October 17 2012 22:38 GMT
#62
On October 17 2012 14:53 Sinedd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2012 01:33 Jealous wrote:
On October 14 2012 19:37 Sinedd wrote:
Team NW Power --->

1.ShockeR_40 (P) - Captain
2.Siskin (P) - Vice Captain
3.MoreAndMore (Z)
4.Dragon[GF] (T)
5.pks-progress (Z)
6.[PKS]StaR-10 (R)
7.Sprite (P)
8.Marksman (T)
9.Solmyr (P) - added
10.Ali.G (P) - added
11.panGraj (T) - added
12.Kebes (Z) - added



I hope this is goint to be a cool tournament !

I don't want to make any accusations pre-emptively but I tried to research your players because I have not seen them around before and I got:

1. No ICCup account of that name
2. 0 games played, no prior seasons
3.
4. No ICCup account of that name
5.
6. 0 games played, no prior seasons
7. 0 BW games played (only DotA), no prior seasons
8. 0 games played, no prior seasons
9. (Found his other accounts, no problem)
10. Hit a dominant C- a long time ago, should send rep pack to chrisolo?
11.
12. Never really ladder much 1v1 but that's no problem

I just get suspicious when I see 0 games/0 seasons, and I have not seen anyone with those names post on TL, makes it seem like it's possible to be smurfs or not D rank. Like I said I of course do not want to make baseless accusations, I just wanted to find out why it is like this for so many people on your team o_O;

are... you serious ?

you really think that I want to cheat in this kind of fun league ? why would I even do that ? T_T makes no sense to me at all..

I just posted this initiative at the Netwars.pl forums and people joined.. so I added them by the nicknames as they were using at the forum..

nobody is trying to cheat jesus christ.. cmon..

we are just a bunch of noobs wanting to play some fun BW games.. and most of the players were just inactive at ICCup for a looong time and wanted to play something for fun.. (were D earlier) I didnt check how did they play earlier like in 2008 or 2007.. or whatever the year they stopped playing..

I really doubt that anyone in my team would cheat in some D rank league played for fun..

thats really low and dirty.. shame that people are throwing accusations like that.. T_T

If its really soooo important im gonna ask for their ICCup ID's and replays.. if there are any.


Cheers

ShockeR_40

Like I said a few times in my post, I do not want to post senseless accusations or offenses, but do you not think that the results I found seem rather suspicious? They could either be super-inactive players OR smurfs, both are equally plausible from an empirical standpoint. Of course I would like to believe that there is no cheating involved, but there has been cheating in the past in DRIT (at least, probably DRTL too) so I just wanted to make 100% sure that we have a clean league with no issues. It's not even your fault if it WAS cheating (not saying it is, in fact I doubt it), because they were like "hey can I be on your team" or something and provided those names which have no record. Because the players you listed are largely unknown to TL D ranks threads, I think it is appropriate to send replays for them. It's consistent with the integrity that the BW scene stood for as a pro sport, and I think we should uphold the same consistency even at the lowest levels of competition.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Rotten82
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom33 Posts
October 18 2012 00:17 GMT
#63
On October 18 2012 04:01 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2012 14:53 Sinedd wrote:
On October 16 2012 01:33 Jealous wrote:
On October 14 2012 19:37 Sinedd wrote:
Team NW Power --->

1.ShockeR_40 (P) - Captain
2.Siskin (P) - Vice Captain
3.MoreAndMore (Z)
4.Dragon[GF] (T)
5.pks-progress (Z)
6.[PKS]StaR-10 (R)
7.Sprite (P)
8.Marksman (T)
9.Solmyr (P) - added
10.Ali.G (P) - added
11.panGraj (T) - added
12.Kebes (Z) - added



I hope this is goint to be a cool tournament !

I don't want to make any accusations pre-emptively but I tried to research your players because I have not seen them around before and I got:

1. No ICCup account of that name
2. 0 games played, no prior seasons
3.
4. No ICCup account of that name
5.
6. 0 games played, no prior seasons
7. 0 BW games played (only DotA), no prior seasons
8. 0 games played, no prior seasons
9. (Found his other accounts, no problem)
10. Hit a dominant C- a long time ago, should send rep pack to chrisolo?
11.
12. Never really ladder much 1v1 but that's no problem

I just get suspicious when I see 0 games/0 seasons, and I have not seen anyone with those names post on TL, makes it seem like it's possible to be smurfs or not D rank. Like I said I of course do not want to make baseless accusations, I just wanted to find out why it is like this for so many people on your team o_O;

are... you serious ?

you really think that I want to cheat in this kind of fun league ? why would I even do that ? T_T makes no sense to me at all..

I just posted this initiative at the Netwars.pl forums and people joined.. so I added them by the nicknames as they were using at the forum..

nobody is trying to cheat jesus christ.. cmon..

we are just a bunch of noobs wanting to play some fun BW games.. and most of the players were just inactive at ICCup for a looong time and wanted to play something for fun.. (were D earlier) I didnt check how did they play earlier like in 2008 or 2007.. or whatever the year they stopped playing..

I really doubt that anyone in my team would cheat in some D rank league played for fun..

thats really low and dirty.. shame that people are throwing accusations like that.. T_T

If its really soooo important im gonna ask for their ICCup ID's and replays.. if there are any.


Cheers

ShockeR_40

It's really given the history and current actuality of D rank leagues where players far above D+ participate. Though, you also make an understandable point.


' 2. 0 games played, no prior seasons'

i have 2 nicknames.
1st. Siskin[KDV]
2nd. Rotten82

10. Hit a dominant C- a long time ago, should send rep pack to chrisolo?[/url]
'If you reached a rank above D+, it must be at least 2 seasons ago'

all NW power players, are old guys, and we are playing in starcraft for many many years. we don't need cheat, because we play for fun.
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
October 18 2012 03:26 GMT
#64
Free agent
Race: z
ID: sGs.Xkcd
Max Rank: D
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
dr0pship
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada520 Posts
October 18 2012 05:32 GMT
#65
Free agent
Race: t
ID: 9heart
Max Rank: D
chrisolo
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2607 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-18 06:54:45
October 18 2012 06:53 GMT
#66
On October 18 2012 07:38 Jealous wrote:
Because the players you listed are largely unknown to TL D ranks threads, I think it is appropriate to send replays for them. It's consistent with the integrity that the BW scene stood for as a pro sport, and I think we should uphold the same consistency even at the lowest levels of competition.


I agree with that, hence I made such a huge frikkin long ruleset, where I also stated that I will be looking into every suspicious case. Be sure that I will do my best to prevent any cheating (in every way) in this league.

If anyone has more suspicions, PLEASE PM me. It is better for the league, if this does not go public. As you see this just causes unnecessary drama.

@Jealous and NW-Team
Please drop that topic now, it will not help anyone.

@all
I will add Arya to TAKK, since he was in TAKK since DRTL S1. I know that this is against the drafting rule, but since he was practically on TAKK since ever, I hope you have no objection to this. If there is any, please PM me.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - aka cReAtiVee
KaiGreene
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
233 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-18 12:06:19
October 18 2012 11:11 GMT
#67
Free agent!

max rank: C- 2 years ago
current rank D 1800 (have gotten worse ;p)
Protoss
[BB]KaiGreene

Please take me in your team! :D
KaiGreene
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
233 Posts
October 20 2012 18:08 GMT
#68
no response?
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
October 20 2012 19:43 GMT
#69
just a personal suggestion of mine, but instead of having 1234287924679324092384 maps to choose from, I would say limit it to like .. 6 or 7.

This is easier on the players, and better for the viewers as there'll be less games where players have no idea wtf is going on.
Writerptrk
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
October 20 2012 20:09 GMT
#70
On October 21 2012 04:43 ArvickHero wrote:
just a personal suggestion of mine, but instead of having 1234287924679324092384 maps to choose from, I would say limit it to like .. 6 or 7.

This is easier on the players, and better for the viewers as there'll be less games where players have no idea wtf is going on.

I agree with this; maybe have ~8 maps to choose from. I don't even know half the maps on the list and even though I enjoy playing on new maps, I'd say the current number is too much for me to learn over the season to any degree of reasonable skill.
Red classic | A butterfly dreamed he was Zhuangzi | 4.5k, heading to 5k as support!
LCC
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada348 Posts
October 20 2012 23:01 GMT
#71
Each team eliminates 3 maps, so it's not too bad. I for one fully intend to play on RoV for the hell of it.
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
October 20 2012 23:07 GMT
#72
On October 21 2012 08:01 LCC wrote:
Each team eliminates 3 maps, so it's not too bad. I for one fully intend to play on RoV for the hell of it.


Well, there are 22 total maps. Take out 6 and it's still a considerable amount. Going to make practicing for this a nightmare.
ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
October 20 2012 23:11 GMT
#73
Dearest Despa,

I'm sorry, but I have decided to leave Despa for Courage. I find that I just kinda fell out of contact with you guys and would like a change of teams. Sorry guys. Good luck in the rest of the leagues. I'll still keep rooting for you, and I know you'll own. Sorry about this. Please don't hate me too much.

ghrur.
darkness overpowering
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-21 08:59:23
October 21 2012 08:54 GMT
#74
sB.Nikon will be playing Terran for this league.

It would be nice if the map pool didn't include FS and Python. Also, it would be good if it was a little smaller.

Is Random allowed as a race?

Can you please update Stealth Bunnie's roster to this:
Stealth Bunnies
+ Show Spoiler +
sB.Birdie D+
sB.LCC D+
sB.TheMarine D+
sB.icedraco D+
Arca(Crema) D+
sB.Stratos D
sB.Ender D
sB.Nikon D+
sB.Roy D-
Red classic | A butterfly dreamed he was Zhuangzi | 4.5k, heading to 5k as support!
chrisolo
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2607 Posts
October 21 2012 11:16 GMT
#75
I think the mappool is fine. I can up the veto to 4 maps, but I do not think I will change the mappool. It should suit everyone, so I tried to get the broadest mappool possible, so it suits macroplayers, cheese-players, Timing-push-players etc. etc.

Also a bit more randomness prevents too much allkills. Which are fine (especially since it is the name of this league), but too much of them are not productive in terms of fun for everyone. If there is a player, which is too good for your team, you can still pick a cheese-friendly map (f.e. Ride of Valkyries) and pick a player with a race, so the player plays his worst matchup. This small tactics and strategies are one of the most fun things in this format in my oppinion. Especially if some weeks went by and you have some replays of the players.

I don't know if any of you already played in such a league, but discussing these things (which maps to veto, which player plays on which position, which map do you pick) and specializing players for the opponent's teams ace is really really fun.

This season the mappool will stay like this, if there are no strong arguments against it.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - aka cReAtiVee
chrisolo
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2607 Posts
October 21 2012 13:28 GMT
#76
Sorry for doublepost, but this question just arose in a skype group chat.
Poll: Allow random as a race?

No. (16)
 
64%

Yes. (#1) (7)
 
28%

Yes, if the player tells his race in the beginning (#2) (1)
 
4%

Yes, but he must stay with the randomed race in next matches. (#3) (1)
 
4%

Yes Option #2 and #3 combined. (0)
 
0%

25 total votes

Your vote: Allow random as a race?

(Vote): Yes. (#1)
(Vote): Yes, if the player tells his race in the beginning (#2)
(Vote): Yes, but he must stay with the randomed race in next matches. (#3)
(Vote): Yes Option #2 and #3 combined.
(Vote): No.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - aka cReAtiVee
Natureboy
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden85 Posts
October 25 2012 00:15 GMT
#77
I'd like to sign up as a free agent.

Rank: D
ICCUP account: eltonkiller
Race: Protoss
Want to be teamcaptain: Nah
Bakuryu
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany1065 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-25 01:53:55
October 25 2012 01:03 GMT
#78
On October 21 2012 08:07 Nikon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2012 08:01 LCC wrote:
Each team eliminates 3 maps, so it's not too bad. I for one fully intend to play on RoV for the hell of it.


Well, there are 22 total maps. Take out 6 and it's still a considerable amount. Going to make practicing for this a nightmare.


i dont know how i would train for that many maps... i still cant play on more than 9 of those maps.
i have a feeling the clanwars will end up like icccl:
random start map nobody wants to play -> fs -> python/desti/hbr or map where u can be 100% sure he will all in

trying to learn new maps is ok.... but there are so many....

Edit: i would:
remove because of complexity:
iCCup Blue Storm
iCCup Chain Reaction
iCCup Colosseum II
iCCup Electric Circuit
iCCup Gladiator
iCCup Neo Medusa
iCCup Othello
iCCup Outsider
iCCup Ride of Valkyries
iCCup Tau Cross

remove because of similarities:
iCCup Andromeda
iCCup Circuit Breaker
iCCup Jade
iCCup Match Point
iCCup Sniper Ridge

my mappool:
iCCup Aztec
iCCup Destination
iCCup Fighting Spirit
iCCup Ground Zero
iCCup Heartbreak Ridge
iCCup Longinus
iCCup Python

imo i could also exchange ground zero for circuit breaker, but i found ground zero more appealing for a "new" map.
yes i selected mostly standard maps, and also fs/python/desti/hbr which everybody loves and hates.
playing with a "removed for complexity" map is very hard as a beginner, because u either have to fight the map (pathing), have to play completely different builds or the maps are just very unique in general.
i have two 2 player maps, two 3 player maps and three 4 player maps. fs and python are the maps we all mostly played the most, so we just know the maps, desti and hbr comes next, longinus also pretty known. the "new" maps here would be aztec and ground zero.
i would just set the maps in advance and rotate them every week (just dont place all the 4 player maps next to each other etc)
pebble444
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Italy2497 Posts
October 25 2012 03:15 GMT
#79
Team Sun Kan: (sk for short)-

Pebble444 PvT, TvP, PvZ
sGs.Babo P

i' m making my own team! if you are interested PM me.
"Awaken my Child, and embrace the Glory that is your Birthright"
Nagisama
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada4481 Posts
October 25 2012 03:18 GMT
#80
I like bakuryu's suggestion of having set maps in advance/rotate instead of loser picks.
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