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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
October 25 2012 19:16 GMT
#101
On October 26 2012 03:55 Birdie wrote:
By the way, CobaltBlu, L_Master, and myself are planning on running the next DRTL (DRTL season 4) after this DRAKTL, just so that it's officially out there and everyone knows. Nikon is happy for us to do that.

LMaster told me that Monty Hall would be in DRTL4 map pool. Truth?
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
ninini
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden1204 Posts
October 25 2012 19:27 GMT
#102
On October 25 2012 23:43 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 22:51 ninini wrote:
I vote on removing Andromeda and Gladiator.

Gladiator especially. The map was created with one purpose only, to kill Flash.
Andromeda is nothing out of the ordinary, but as macro maps I think Colosseum II is more interesting, and having both isn't necessary.


And please keep Python. It's a awesome map that could lead to very interesting games and it's a nice contrast to FS. Who cares if it's common. It's not like you guys still play on it, right? I don't, because it has its own meta-game, which doesn't translate well into other maps, but it's a great map to play for fun.

Anyway, Grand Line SE would be cool.

Python games, interesting? Really?

It favors aggressive play, timing attacks, cheese, drop play, reavers, mutas and 2-port wraith.

Modern standard play is very viable on Python, you just need to be more careful and make sure you have a strong defense. Python puts more emphasize on scouting, defense and strategy, and punishes recklessly greedy play. That's why I like the map.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-25 20:12:37
October 25 2012 20:12 GMT
#103
On October 26 2012 04:27 ninini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 23:43 Sentenal wrote:
On October 25 2012 22:51 ninini wrote:
I vote on removing Andromeda and Gladiator.

Gladiator especially. The map was created with one purpose only, to kill Flash.
Andromeda is nothing out of the ordinary, but as macro maps I think Colosseum II is more interesting, and having both isn't necessary.


And please keep Python. It's a awesome map that could lead to very interesting games and it's a nice contrast to FS. Who cares if it's common. It's not like you guys still play on it, right? I don't, because it has its own meta-game, which doesn't translate well into other maps, but it's a great map to play for fun.

Anyway, Grand Line SE would be cool.

Python games, interesting? Really?

It favors aggressive play, timing attacks, cheese, drop play, reavers, mutas and 2-port wraith.

Modern standard play is very viable on Python, you just need to be more careful and make sure you have a strong defense. Python puts more emphasize on scouting, defense and strategy, and punishes recklessly greedy play. That's why I like the map.

You can say the same thing about FS. Such an interesting map. Except FS is more balanced.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-25 20:58:38
October 25 2012 20:58 GMT
#104
On October 26 2012 05:12 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 04:27 ninini wrote:
On October 25 2012 23:43 Sentenal wrote:
On October 25 2012 22:51 ninini wrote:
I vote on removing Andromeda and Gladiator.

Gladiator especially. The map was created with one purpose only, to kill Flash.
Andromeda is nothing out of the ordinary, but as macro maps I think Colosseum II is more interesting, and having both isn't necessary.


And please keep Python. It's a awesome map that could lead to very interesting games and it's a nice contrast to FS. Who cares if it's common. It's not like you guys still play on it, right? I don't, because it has its own meta-game, which doesn't translate well into other maps, but it's a great map to play for fun.

Anyway, Grand Line SE would be cool.

Python games, interesting? Really?

It favors aggressive play, timing attacks, cheese, drop play, reavers, mutas and 2-port wraith.

Modern standard play is very viable on Python, you just need to be more careful and make sure you have a strong defense. Python puts more emphasize on scouting, defense and strategy, and punishes recklessly greedy play. That's why I like the map.

You can say the same thing about FS. Such an interesting map. Except FS is more balanced.

Python sucks ass

Grand Line SE and La Mancha are awesome
T H C makes ppl happy
ninini
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden1204 Posts
October 25 2012 22:23 GMT
#105
On October 26 2012 05:12 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 04:27 ninini wrote:
On October 25 2012 23:43 Sentenal wrote:
On October 25 2012 22:51 ninini wrote:
I vote on removing Andromeda and Gladiator.

Gladiator especially. The map was created with one purpose only, to kill Flash.
Andromeda is nothing out of the ordinary, but as macro maps I think Colosseum II is more interesting, and having both isn't necessary.


And please keep Python. It's a awesome map that could lead to very interesting games and it's a nice contrast to FS. Who cares if it's common. It's not like you guys still play on it, right? I don't, because it has its own meta-game, which doesn't translate well into other maps, but it's a great map to play for fun.

Anyway, Grand Line SE would be cool.

Python games, interesting? Really?

It favors aggressive play, timing attacks, cheese, drop play, reavers, mutas and 2-port wraith.

Modern standard play is very viable on Python, you just need to be more careful and make sure you have a strong defense. Python puts more emphasize on scouting, defense and strategy, and punishes recklessly greedy play. That's why I like the map.

You can say the same thing about FS. Such an interesting map. Except FS is more balanced.

On FS it's easier to defend against drops and air units in general because the bases are at the corners. The rush distance is longer, which makes it harder to punish a greedy player. The third is closer and easier to defend on FS.
FS is a map that discourages all types of aggressive play and encourages greedy play. That's the main reason why it's balanced. It has very little to do with the map layout favouring the races equally. FS favours passive play universally, regardless of race or matchup. It's balanced because the games last longer, and there are no terrain features that you can abuse, like the ridge in front of the nat on Sniper Ridge.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
October 25 2012 22:42 GMT
#106
On October 26 2012 07:23 ninini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 05:12 Sentenal wrote:
On October 26 2012 04:27 ninini wrote:
On October 25 2012 23:43 Sentenal wrote:
On October 25 2012 22:51 ninini wrote:
I vote on removing Andromeda and Gladiator.

Gladiator especially. The map was created with one purpose only, to kill Flash.
Andromeda is nothing out of the ordinary, but as macro maps I think Colosseum II is more interesting, and having both isn't necessary.


And please keep Python. It's a awesome map that could lead to very interesting games and it's a nice contrast to FS. Who cares if it's common. It's not like you guys still play on it, right? I don't, because it has its own meta-game, which doesn't translate well into other maps, but it's a great map to play for fun.

Anyway, Grand Line SE would be cool.

Python games, interesting? Really?

It favors aggressive play, timing attacks, cheese, drop play, reavers, mutas and 2-port wraith.

Modern standard play is very viable on Python, you just need to be more careful and make sure you have a strong defense. Python puts more emphasize on scouting, defense and strategy, and punishes recklessly greedy play. That's why I like the map.

You can say the same thing about FS. Such an interesting map. Except FS is more balanced.

On FS it's easier to defend against drops and air units in general because the bases are at the corners. The rush distance is longer, which makes it harder to punish a greedy player. The third is closer and easier to defend on FS.
FS is a map that discourages all types of aggressive play and encourages greedy play. That's the main reason why it's balanced. It has very little to do with the map layout favouring the races equally. FS favours passive play universally, regardless of race or matchup. It's balanced because the games last longer, and there are no terrain features that you can abuse, like the ridge in front of the nat on Sniper Ridge.

IDK about you, but I was an active player 3~ years ago, before FS became the map everyone played. Back then, Python was the map that got spammed played. You know what happened on Python, every single game people played on it? The exact same thing that happens on FS every single game.

PS: "Not having terrain features to abuse" doesn't make something more balanced.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
October 25 2012 23:30 GMT
#107
On October 26 2012 04:27 ninini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 23:43 Sentenal wrote:
On October 25 2012 22:51 ninini wrote:
I vote on removing Andromeda and Gladiator.

Gladiator especially. The map was created with one purpose only, to kill Flash.
Andromeda is nothing out of the ordinary, but as macro maps I think Colosseum II is more interesting, and having both isn't necessary.


And please keep Python. It's a awesome map that could lead to very interesting games and it's a nice contrast to FS. Who cares if it's common. It's not like you guys still play on it, right? I don't, because it has its own meta-game, which doesn't translate well into other maps, but it's a great map to play for fun.

Anyway, Grand Line SE would be cool.

Python games, interesting? Really?

It favors aggressive play, timing attacks, cheese, drop play, reavers, mutas and 2-port wraith.

Modern standard play is very viable on Python, you just need to be more careful and make sure you have a strong defense. Python puts more emphasize on scouting, defense and strategy, and punishes recklessly greedy play. That's why I like the map.


So you want to make a cheesefest where people don't have enough time to practice for 13 maps (22-6, we veto 3, don't know other team's veto, 13 maps) into MORE of a cheesefest by keeping Python? Okay.
darkness overpowering
Gao Xi
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Hong Kong5178 Posts
October 25 2012 23:34 GMT
#108
That way he has a better chance of winning.
龔智禮 _________________________________________________________________________________________________ CJ NATION
ninini
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden1204 Posts
October 26 2012 02:17 GMT
#109
OK. So Sentenal seems to be arguing that Python wouldn't lead to more cheese/strategic games, and aeghrur is arguing that it would, and claiming that it's a problem. I agree with aeghrur that it would lead to different, more aggressive strategies being used, especially in a competitive environment, but imo, more aggressive and strategic plays is a good thing. That's my opinion, guys. If you get so fired up about a stupid map, I'm ok with you getting what you want, but it's not up to me to decide.

Anyway, Gaoxi, you can spare us your sarcasm.
pebble444
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Italy2497 Posts
October 26 2012 02:29 GMT
#110
i really dislike Python. Stupid map.
"Awaken my Child, and embrace the Glory that is your Birthright"
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
October 26 2012 02:49 GMT
#111
Not sure why the Terrans are disliking this map, lol.
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-26 03:20:13
October 26 2012 03:19 GMT
#112
On October 26 2012 08:34 Gao Xi wrote:
That way he has a better chance of winning.

stats speak for themselves + Show Spoiler +
That's the only way any + Show Spoiler +
Actual D rank + Show Spoiler +
Is going to beat + Show Spoiler +
A massive ego stat padder + Show Spoiler +
such as yourself
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
Gao Xi
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Hong Kong5178 Posts
October 26 2012 03:22 GMT
#113
On October 26 2012 12:19 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 08:34 Gao Xi wrote:
That way he has a better chance of winning.

stats speak for themselves + Show Spoiler +
That's the only way any + Show Spoiler +
Actual D rank + Show Spoiler +
Is going to beat + Show Spoiler +
A massive ego stat padder + Show Spoiler +
such as yourself

Never even got close to C- in my life, so i have no idea what you're talking about.
But if that makes you feel better about it, then go ahead.
龔智禮 _________________________________________________________________________________________________ CJ NATION
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
October 26 2012 03:23 GMT
#114
On October 26 2012 12:19 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 08:34 Gao Xi wrote:
That way he has a better chance of winning.

stats speak for themselves + Show Spoiler +
That's the only way any + Show Spoiler +
Actual D rank + Show Spoiler +
Is going to beat + Show Spoiler +
A massive ego stat padder + Show Spoiler +
such as yourself

So much salt from a guy who loses to scouts.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
October 26 2012 03:28 GMT
#115
On October 26 2012 11:17 ninini wrote:
OK. So Sentenal seems to be arguing that Python wouldn't lead to more cheese/strategic games, and aeghrur is arguing that it would, and claiming that it's a problem. I agree with aeghrur that it would lead to different, more aggressive strategies being used, especially in a competitive environment, but imo, more aggressive and strategic plays is a good thing. That's my opinion, guys. If you get so fired up about a stupid map, I'm ok with you getting what you want, but it's not up to me to decide.

Anyway, Gaoxi, you can spare us your sarcasm.


I never argued either way. I said, assume ninini was correct; then, there will be even more cheese in a soon-to-be cheese filled league. I argued that there will be cheese either way because of the huge map count, not necessarily because of python.
darkness overpowering
SynC[gm]
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States3127 Posts
October 26 2012 04:09 GMT
#116
Question, I haven't played SC competitively for quite a while until up about recently, which was about 3 weeks ago, and it was a single player game with me and a computer, so I could see how rusty I was. All I've been playing lately is the campaign, which was a nice time since I haven't played in a while, but now, I wanna get back into competitive playing. The highest I've ever hit was a C-, will I still be eligible to be part of this league?

A link to my most recent iCCup account... Modesty(OD)
twitch.tv/dizzywee
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-26 04:25:11
October 26 2012 04:17 GMT
#117
On October 26 2012 12:23 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 12:19 Eywa- wrote:
On October 26 2012 08:34 Gao Xi wrote:
That way he has a better chance of winning.

stats speak for themselves + Show Spoiler +
That's the only way any + Show Spoiler +
Actual D rank + Show Spoiler +
Is going to beat + Show Spoiler +
A massive ego stat padder + Show Spoiler +
such as yourself

So much salt from a guy who loses to scouts.

Oh Shit... + Show Spoiler +
In comes the cavalry+ Show Spoiler +
+ Show Spoiler +
It's super effective
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
Yaqoob
Profile Blog Joined March 2005
Canada3335 Posts
October 26 2012 04:40 GMT
#118
Is there a reason that there are 2 threads for this league?
김택용 Fighting!
chrisolo
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2607 Posts
October 26 2012 05:03 GMT
#119
On October 26 2012 13:40 Yaqoob wrote:
Is there a reason that there are 2 threads for this league?


The first is a voting/discussion thread and this is the actual league thread, as you would have noticed by even only looking at the OPs.

@Eywa and Eywa Opponents:
Keep this talk out of this thread. I do not care about your grudge or anything. Talk to each other via PM or Skype or whatever but this thread. Thanks.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - aka cReAtiVee
SynC[gm]
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States3127 Posts
October 26 2012 05:21 GMT
#120
Rank: D+
iCCup account: RedAxis
Race: Terran
Team-captain: No
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