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On October 26 2012 03:55 Birdie wrote:
By the way, CobaltBlu, L_Master, and myself are planning on running the next DRTL (DRTL season 4) after this DRAKTL, just so that it's officially out there and everyone knows. Nikon is happy for us to do that.
LMaster told me that Monty Hall would be in DRTL4 map pool. Truth?
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On October 25 2012 23:43 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 22:51 ninini wrote:I vote on removing Andromeda and Gladiator. Gladiator especially. The map was created with one purpose only, to kill Flash. Andromeda is nothing out of the ordinary, but as macro maps I think Colosseum II is more interesting, and having both isn't necessary. And please keep Python. It's a awesome map that could lead to very interesting games and it's a nice contrast to FS. Who cares if it's common. It's not like you guys still play on it, right? I don't, because it has its own meta-game, which doesn't translate well into other maps, but it's a great map to play for fun. Anyway, Grand Line SE would be cool. Python games, interesting? Really?
It favors aggressive play, timing attacks, cheese, drop play, reavers, mutas and 2-port wraith.
Modern standard play is very viable on Python, you just need to be more careful and make sure you have a strong defense. Python puts more emphasize on scouting, defense and strategy, and punishes recklessly greedy play. That's why I like the map.
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On October 26 2012 04:27 ninini wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 23:43 Sentenal wrote:On October 25 2012 22:51 ninini wrote:I vote on removing Andromeda and Gladiator. Gladiator especially. The map was created with one purpose only, to kill Flash. Andromeda is nothing out of the ordinary, but as macro maps I think Colosseum II is more interesting, and having both isn't necessary. And please keep Python. It's a awesome map that could lead to very interesting games and it's a nice contrast to FS. Who cares if it's common. It's not like you guys still play on it, right? I don't, because it has its own meta-game, which doesn't translate well into other maps, but it's a great map to play for fun. Anyway, Grand Line SE would be cool. Python games, interesting? Really? It favors aggressive play, timing attacks, cheese, drop play, reavers, mutas and 2-port wraith. Modern standard play is very viable on Python, you just need to be more careful and make sure you have a strong defense. Python puts more emphasize on scouting, defense and strategy, and punishes recklessly greedy play. That's why I like the map.
You can say the same thing about FS. Such an interesting map. Except FS is more balanced.
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On October 26 2012 05:12 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2012 04:27 ninini wrote:On October 25 2012 23:43 Sentenal wrote:On October 25 2012 22:51 ninini wrote:I vote on removing Andromeda and Gladiator. Gladiator especially. The map was created with one purpose only, to kill Flash. Andromeda is nothing out of the ordinary, but as macro maps I think Colosseum II is more interesting, and having both isn't necessary. And please keep Python. It's a awesome map that could lead to very interesting games and it's a nice contrast to FS. Who cares if it's common. It's not like you guys still play on it, right? I don't, because it has its own meta-game, which doesn't translate well into other maps, but it's a great map to play for fun. Anyway, Grand Line SE would be cool. Python games, interesting? Really? It favors aggressive play, timing attacks, cheese, drop play, reavers, mutas and 2-port wraith. Modern standard play is very viable on Python, you just need to be more careful and make sure you have a strong defense. Python puts more emphasize on scouting, defense and strategy, and punishes recklessly greedy play. That's why I like the map. You can say the same thing about FS. Such an interesting map. Except FS is more balanced.
Python sucks ass
Grand Line SE and La Mancha are awesome 
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On October 26 2012 05:12 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2012 04:27 ninini wrote:On October 25 2012 23:43 Sentenal wrote:On October 25 2012 22:51 ninini wrote:I vote on removing Andromeda and Gladiator. Gladiator especially. The map was created with one purpose only, to kill Flash. Andromeda is nothing out of the ordinary, but as macro maps I think Colosseum II is more interesting, and having both isn't necessary. And please keep Python. It's a awesome map that could lead to very interesting games and it's a nice contrast to FS. Who cares if it's common. It's not like you guys still play on it, right? I don't, because it has its own meta-game, which doesn't translate well into other maps, but it's a great map to play for fun. Anyway, Grand Line SE would be cool. Python games, interesting? Really? It favors aggressive play, timing attacks, cheese, drop play, reavers, mutas and 2-port wraith. Modern standard play is very viable on Python, you just need to be more careful and make sure you have a strong defense. Python puts more emphasize on scouting, defense and strategy, and punishes recklessly greedy play. That's why I like the map. You can say the same thing about FS. Such an interesting map. Except FS is more balanced.
On FS it's easier to defend against drops and air units in general because the bases are at the corners. The rush distance is longer, which makes it harder to punish a greedy player. The third is closer and easier to defend on FS.
FS is a map that discourages all types of aggressive play and encourages greedy play. That's the main reason why it's balanced. It has very little to do with the map layout favouring the races equally. FS favours passive play universally, regardless of race or matchup. It's balanced because the games last longer, and there are no terrain features that you can abuse, like the ridge in front of the nat on Sniper Ridge.
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On October 26 2012 07:23 ninini wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2012 05:12 Sentenal wrote:On October 26 2012 04:27 ninini wrote:On October 25 2012 23:43 Sentenal wrote:On October 25 2012 22:51 ninini wrote:I vote on removing Andromeda and Gladiator. Gladiator especially. The map was created with one purpose only, to kill Flash. Andromeda is nothing out of the ordinary, but as macro maps I think Colosseum II is more interesting, and having both isn't necessary. And please keep Python. It's a awesome map that could lead to very interesting games and it's a nice contrast to FS. Who cares if it's common. It's not like you guys still play on it, right? I don't, because it has its own meta-game, which doesn't translate well into other maps, but it's a great map to play for fun. Anyway, Grand Line SE would be cool. Python games, interesting? Really? It favors aggressive play, timing attacks, cheese, drop play, reavers, mutas and 2-port wraith. Modern standard play is very viable on Python, you just need to be more careful and make sure you have a strong defense. Python puts more emphasize on scouting, defense and strategy, and punishes recklessly greedy play. That's why I like the map. You can say the same thing about FS. Such an interesting map. Except FS is more balanced. On FS it's easier to defend against drops and air units in general because the bases are at the corners. The rush distance is longer, which makes it harder to punish a greedy player. The third is closer and easier to defend on FS. FS is a map that discourages all types of aggressive play and encourages greedy play. That's the main reason why it's balanced. It has very little to do with the map layout favouring the races equally. FS favours passive play universally, regardless of race or matchup. It's balanced because the games last longer, and there are no terrain features that you can abuse, like the ridge in front of the nat on Sniper Ridge.
IDK about you, but I was an active player 3~ years ago, before FS became the map everyone played. Back then, Python was the map that got spammed played. You know what happened on Python, every single game people played on it? The exact same thing that happens on FS every single game.
PS: "Not having terrain features to abuse" doesn't make something more balanced.
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On October 26 2012 04:27 ninini wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 23:43 Sentenal wrote:On October 25 2012 22:51 ninini wrote:I vote on removing Andromeda and Gladiator. Gladiator especially. The map was created with one purpose only, to kill Flash. Andromeda is nothing out of the ordinary, but as macro maps I think Colosseum II is more interesting, and having both isn't necessary. And please keep Python. It's a awesome map that could lead to very interesting games and it's a nice contrast to FS. Who cares if it's common. It's not like you guys still play on it, right? I don't, because it has its own meta-game, which doesn't translate well into other maps, but it's a great map to play for fun. Anyway, Grand Line SE would be cool. Python games, interesting? Really? It favors aggressive play, timing attacks, cheese, drop play, reavers, mutas and 2-port wraith. Modern standard play is very viable on Python, you just need to be more careful and make sure you have a strong defense. Python puts more emphasize on scouting, defense and strategy, and punishes recklessly greedy play. That's why I like the map.
So you want to make a cheesefest where people don't have enough time to practice for 13 maps (22-6, we veto 3, don't know other team's veto, 13 maps) into MORE of a cheesefest by keeping Python? Okay.
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That way he has a better chance of winning.
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OK. So Sentenal seems to be arguing that Python wouldn't lead to more cheese/strategic games, and aeghrur is arguing that it would, and claiming that it's a problem. I agree with aeghrur that it would lead to different, more aggressive strategies being used, especially in a competitive environment, but imo, more aggressive and strategic plays is a good thing. That's my opinion, guys. If you get so fired up about a stupid map, I'm ok with you getting what you want, but it's not up to me to decide.
Anyway, Gaoxi, you can spare us your sarcasm.
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i really dislike Python. Stupid map.
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Not sure why the Terrans are disliking this map, lol.
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On October 26 2012 08:34 Gao Xi wrote:
That way he has a better chance of winning.
stats speak for themselves + Show Spoiler +
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On October 26 2012 12:19 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2012 08:34 Gao Xi wrote:
That way he has a better chance of winning. stats speak for themselves + Show Spoiler +
Never even got close to C- in my life, so i have no idea what you're talking about.
But if that makes you feel better about it, then go ahead.
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On October 26 2012 12:19 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2012 08:34 Gao Xi wrote:
That way he has a better chance of winning. stats speak for themselves + Show Spoiler +
So much salt from a guy who loses to scouts.
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On October 26 2012 11:17 ninini wrote:
OK. So Sentenal seems to be arguing that Python wouldn't lead to more cheese/strategic games, and aeghrur is arguing that it would, and claiming that it's a problem. I agree with aeghrur that it would lead to different, more aggressive strategies being used, especially in a competitive environment, but imo, more aggressive and strategic plays is a good thing. That's my opinion, guys. If you get so fired up about a stupid map, I'm ok with you getting what you want, but it's not up to me to decide.
Anyway, Gaoxi, you can spare us your sarcasm.
I never argued either way. I said, assume ninini was correct; then, there will be even more cheese in a soon-to-be cheese filled league. I argued that there will be cheese either way because of the huge map count, not necessarily because of python.
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Question, I haven't played SC competitively for quite a while until up about recently, which was about 3 weeks ago, and it was a single player game with me and a computer, so I could see how rusty I was. All I've been playing lately is the campaign, which was a nice time since I haven't played in a while, but now, I wanna get back into competitive playing. The highest I've ever hit was a C-, will I still be eligible to be part of this league?
A link to my most recent iCCup account... Modesty(OD)
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On October 26 2012 12:23 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2012 12:19 Eywa- wrote:On October 26 2012 08:34 Gao Xi wrote:
That way he has a better chance of winning. stats speak for themselves + Show Spoiler + So much salt from a guy who loses to scouts.
Oh Shit... + Show Spoiler +
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Is there a reason that there are 2 threads for this league?
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On October 26 2012 13:40 Yaqoob wrote:
Is there a reason that there are 2 threads for this league?
The first is a voting/discussion thread and this is the actual league thread, as you would have noticed by even only looking at the OPs.
@Eywa and Eywa Opponents:
Keep this talk out of this thread. I do not care about your grudge or anything. Talk to each other via PM or Skype or whatever but this thread. Thanks.
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Rank: D+
iCCup account: RedAxis
Race: Terran
Team-captain: No
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