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6NR
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/BbQjW.jpg?1) Banner by Kaspra. July 31, 2012, 06:00 GMT (+00:00), Channel OnGameNet ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/teams/2.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/teams/5.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/teams/icons/uniforms/9.png){kind=icon} KT Rolster vs STX SouL![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/0K4sD.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ubMIp.png) <Neo Electric Circuit> <New Sniper Ridge> <Neo Jade> <Antiga Shipyard> <Cloud Kingdom> <Entombed Valley> <Ohana> ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/JP2UW.png) + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/3grkY.png) + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/HO9vZ.png) + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/L0u9J.png) Post your stream links here and I'll add them as soon as I see them or PM them to me. ESportsTV Youtube Live Stream The People's Champion, Nanashin Sayle English oOOoOphidian's stream | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
anyways last rushed hoejja | ||
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6NR
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Emperor_Earth
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If KT(Flash) loses another serie(set)... | ||
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N.geNuity
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scouts the lurkers | ||
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6NR
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On July 30 2012 15:09 N.geNuity wrote: was just about to make one ^.^ anyways last rushed hoejja post it. this one is just desperation. lol | ||
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On July 30 2012 15:13 N.geNuity wrote: well I erased it now lol. will whip up something you can copy paste oh im sorry. i was actually watching first and then i thought of joining the lr and then i saw hoejja already had nat and there was still no thread. and what a weird game | ||
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6NR
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N.geNuity
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Banner by Kaspra. July 31, 2012, 06:00 GMT (+00:00), Channel OnGameNet KT Rolster vs STX SouL<Neo Electric Circuit> <New Sniper Ridge> <Neo Jade> <Antiga Shipyard> <Cloud Kingdom> <Entombed Valley> <Ohana> + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + Post your stream links here and I'll add them as soon as I see them or PM them to me. ESportsTV Youtube Live Stream The People's Champion, Nanashin Sayle English oOOoOphidian's stream | ||
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6NR
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nice one lol | ||
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DMXD
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gg...interesting game, not sure if I should recommend this or not. | ||
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6NR
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On July 30 2012 15:17 N.geNuity wrote: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/hGMwY.jpg) Banner by Kaspra. July 31, 2012, 06:00 GMT (+00:00), Channel OnGameNet KT Rolster vs STX SouL<Neo Electric Circuit> <New Sniper Ridge> <Neo Jade> <Antiga Shipyard> <Cloud Kingdom> <Entombed Valley> <Ohana> + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + Post your stream links here and I'll add them as soon as I see them or PM them to me. None yet. ESportsTV Youtube Live Stream The People's Champion, Nanashin Sayle English oOOoOphidian's stream thanks, new op | ||
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N.geNuity
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+ Show Spoiler + | ||
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Nikon
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6NR
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tenacity
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On July 30 2012 15:28 6NR wrote: does sayle speak korean? i hope he translates the interview no, he can't | ||
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N.geNuity
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Poll: Recommned BW set 1? If you have time (4) Yes (3) No (0) 7 total votes Your vote: Recommned BW set 1? | ||
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P7GAB
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6NR
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On July 30 2012 15:31 P7GAB wrote: wookie won't dissapoint oh the lols. you must have great multitask skill to still post in tl while playing there in the booth :p | ||
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tenacity
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da faq?^^ | ||
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Nikon
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On July 30 2012 15:33 FlaShFTW wrote: wait so what happened? im confused from this LR. Last bunker rushed. Killed nat. Hoejja had his min only by that time, and went 1gas lurker, pushed Last back and took his third. Last took his nat slightly after that, and afterwards it's history. I gotta say, it was pretty interesting. Gotta love games like that. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10253 Posts
On July 30 2012 15:35 Nikon wrote: Last bunker rushed. Killed nat. Hoejja had his min only by that time, and went 1gas lurker, pushed Last back and took his third. Last took his nat slightly after that, and afterwards it's history. I gotta say, it was pretty interesting. Gotta love games like that. wait so who won? | ||
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N.geNuity
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I don't know how last messed it up, plus wasn't watching closely myself. 1 gas lurker too strong | ||
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Nikon
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Hoejja won. Wooki's first goon scouting in the wrong direction ?_? | ||
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N.geNuity
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quick obs | ||
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Nikon
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Apparently, Firebathero found a phone that he had lost while he was cleaning his room. | ||
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6NR
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N.geNuity
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but shuttle with reaver appeared and won. basically trap won with aggression/skipped obs | ||
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6NR
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xmungam
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 3 bw matches instead of 2. also what song was trap's victory song??? | ||
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Nikon
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On July 30 2012 15:44 xmungam wrote: haha yeah 3 bw matches instead of 2. also what song was trap's victory song??? Winning makes him stronger  | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
so formal | ||
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N.geNuity
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On July 30 2012 15:27 Nikon wrote: Trap vs Wooki coming up next ^_~ how'd you get this prophetic knowledge? I don't see it on kt's twitter | ||
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sharkie
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On July 30 2012 15:48 Depetrify wrote: What game is Flash playing today? no more restrictions I believe | ||
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Nikon
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On July 30 2012 15:47 N.geNuity wrote: how'd you get this prophetic knowledge? I don't see it on kt's twitter I have inherited this power from the seeress of the STX cabal. P.S. What is KT's twitter? ^^ | ||
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Depetrify
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Orly. I guess all the retiring players decided to stick to BW? O.o On July 30 2012 15:49 Nikon wrote: I have inherited this power from the seeress of the STX cabal. P.S. What is KT's twitter? ^^ https://twitter.com/KTRolster/ maybe? edit: nvm that doesn't make sense last tweet was on the 26th.. | ||
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N.geNuity
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On July 30 2012 15:49 Nikon wrote: I have inherited this power from the seeress of the STX cabal. P.S. What is KT's twitter? ^^ er coach lee ji hoon is here https://twitter.com/KTRolster/ also puts liquid'puppy to shame | ||
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TheShimmy
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On July 30 2012 15:43 N.geNuity wrote: with reaver out wooki tried take his expo in the face of the 2 gate goon pressure. but shuttle with reaver appeared and won. basically trap won with aggression/skipped obs BO Win?? | ||
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sharkie
Austria18553 Posts
nope, micro based win | ||
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Nikon
Bulgaria5710 Posts
On July 30 2012 15:52 N.geNuity wrote: er coach lee ji hoon is here https://twitter.com/KTRolster/ also puts liquid'puppy to shame Apparently, I already had that, but I got confused by the cute picture and didn't recognise it. | ||
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Alabasern
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Z v P! | ||
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KillerDucky
United States498 Posts
First matches of round 3 no restrictions. Then back to rotations as before. ETA: Oh this isn't their first match of round 3. So I think there are the usual rotation restrictions? I don't remember who did what last time though. | ||
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N.geNuity
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 Action vs  Dearfun fact, action's nickname is "goold" and stat's nickname is "anchovy" rofl http://sports.kt.com/site/eng/main.jsp | ||
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6NR
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Alabasern
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On July 30 2012 15:57 okum wrote: A wild Holgerius was spotted in the audience! Was that the man with the gnarly beard? | ||
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6NR
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N.geNuity
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no idea why qt had that but w/e | ||
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sharkie
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man the greediness... | ||
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okum
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Yep. | ||
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6NR
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On July 30 2012 15:51 Release wrote: People go to KT to end their careers. KT academy omg. action, Crazy-Hydra....their careers are sooo dead right? | ||
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6NR
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intotheheart
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On July 30 2012 16:00 sharkie wrote: blind 12 hatch vs blind nex first man the greediness... Lol yeah I wonder if there's gonna be a hydra bust. | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
switched to some goons but I dont see goon range upgraded. going for a gateway bust at nat I assume | ||
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6NR
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Release
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On July 30 2012 16:03 BLinD-RawR wrote: action, Crazy-Hydra....their careers are sooo dead right? In the regular season... | ||
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N.geNuity
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1 goon survived from initial forces. AAAHHHH templar sniped by a couple hydra | ||
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Zariel
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They manage to snipe 3 HT's absolutely no AA to stop that shit | ||
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On July 30 2012 16:11 6NR wrote: why are both players ignoring the 12 base I think strategically, as long as action prevents the probes from mining the 3rd, the nexus is just a waste of time/units for him to kill. He just needs to control that large ramp and contain him. | ||
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N.geNuity
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Poll: Recommend BW set 2? No (2) Yes (1) If you have time (0) 3 total votes Your vote: Recommend BW set 2? | ||
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N.geNuity
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On July 30 2012 16:23 6NR wrote: lee young ho vs? carrier of the chin line Classic | ||
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Ribbon
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I am thus naively hopeful. Flash with the 1rax double CC, meaning he's not going to be pressuring for a bit  Both players going bio, so no mech Classic hiding a factory :| | ||
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lichter
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Edit: Just marine tank | ||
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6NR
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6NR
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classic bunker in flash base | ||
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STDfan
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noooo flash... | ||
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FlaShFTW
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also i saw a twitch *weak smile* | ||
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On July 30 2012 16:34 okum wrote: No worry, Flash is just going through a 14CC phase in SC2. He will do fine next year. He'll get it eventually. MarineKing can 14CC every game, I'm sure Flash has to ability to do it to, with more practice. And perhaps scouting the push BEFORE there where two sieged tanks and a bunker at his natural ramp. He literally didn't see the drop until it was in his main. | ||
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N.geNuity
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On July 30 2012 16:35 larse wrote: I think this is the third time Flash lost cuz of being super greedy I think it's the 185th time (I encourage people look up his career losses  )well, maybe like 150. | ||
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On July 30 2012 16:37 N.geNuity wrote: I think it's the 185th time (I encourage people look up his career losses )well, maybe like 150. I mean in SC2 | ||
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gTank
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I hope he reaches this point where he starts to play godlike in SC2 soon.Also: It's stim not steam... | ||
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lichter
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On July 30 2012 16:51 gTank wrote: Flash I hope he reaches this point where he starts to play godlike in SC2 soon.Also: It's stim not steam... Inside joke bro | ||
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gTank
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please explain ^^ I have only been watching BW (and this hybrid thingy) for a short while. | ||
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Ribbon
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Also, the gas steal seems to lead to Corsairs, and sairs > tripods | ||
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oOOoOphidian
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On July 30 2012 16:56 Ribbon wrote: I have to like these double-gas steals and manner pylons. It's sad, but probes are the most interesting and dynamic units in PvP Also, the gas steal seems to lead to Corsairs, and sairs > tripods With late gas, you are weak to 3 or 4gate pressure, so you get robo often and expand (excess minerals). The easiest counter to a robo build is phoenix play. It's a very cool build, we saw hero[join] use it earlier in the week as well. | ||
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FlaShFTW
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On July 30 2012 17:09 N.geNuity wrote: eh I think mini could have gotten a tie if he just stayed on high ground and built a pylon he didnt have any sentries though. the same outcome would have transpired. phoenix get vision of the high ground, stats' army walks up the ramp and lifts up the units, etc. harder to kite but i think he could have done it. | ||
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FlaShFTW
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1 gate, 1 stargate, 1 roboOH DAT SNIPE ON THE VOIDRAY! | ||
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AndAgain
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edit: wow talk about speaking too soon. | ||
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FlaShFTW
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phoenix just camping at the 4th and killing drones. man shuttle teching everywhere lol. wont be surprised if he even gets a carrier at this point xD spine walls going up, CH trying to delay that 4th base oh my god CH's army is tiny! WTF WHERE IS UR MACRO! | ||
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Ribbon
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On July 30 2012 17:22 Asha` wrote: Hang your head in shame Crazy-Hydra. Had Shuttle's Phoenix control been better, he would've gotten some of those 6 overlords chilling next to his 'sairs and make that even more one-sided than it was. | ||
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PhoenixDark
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These Protoss aren't good, they're simply looking great against Zergs who act like they don't know what a Colosus is. | ||
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FlaShFTW
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On July 30 2012 17:25 PhoenixDark wrote: Kespa zergs continue to suck at ZvP. I can understand him not recognizing a big Roach attack would likely destroy that Stargate build, given he hasn't been playing much. But committing to heavy Hydra and walking them across the map (with average creep spread) is pure amateur stuff. Jesus These Protoss aren't good, they're simply looking great against Zergs who act like they don't know what a Colosus is. but didn't flash not know waht a collosus was? FlaSh for ACE (rather see Stats tbh) Don't know the STX player | ||
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FlaShFTW
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and ofc flash adjusting his monitor. AHAHAH THE RULER LMFAOOOO flash will always be flash | ||
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FlaShFTW
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inb4 1 rax double CC. :D | ||
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Ribbon
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On July 30 2012 17:37 FlaShFTW wrote: is anyone else sad when they see apm at like low 100s? :/ oh well. Is that before or after the Blizzard Seconds to reality conversion? Last with a 14CC, Flash with a 1rax FE (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!), but maybe he's double expo | ||
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Asha
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On July 30 2012 17:41 Ribbon wrote: Is that before or after the Blizzard Seconds to reality conversion? Last with a 14CC, Flash with a 1rax FE (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!), but maybe he's double expo They probably used the dumb apm and not the old fashioned apm tab. | ||
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FlaShFTW
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TT.TT im gonna cry. | ||
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Asha
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Risky builds and poor execution =/ | ||
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haka
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Seriously. Why go 3rd CC with only marines and medivacs???? Classic exploited it last game. Last exploits it this game. EZ when you get tanks fast and seige. | ||
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RageCommodore
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bgx
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Flash just retire and stream bw on afreeca! lol | ||
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slam
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I was never much of a flash fan but.... <3 T_T | ||
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lichter
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On July 30 2012 17:47 FlaShFTW wrote: You know what they say flash... fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. TT.TT gg w.e. flash you idiot learn to build freaking tanks or something that beats tanks... sigh... That build CAN beat tanks, as long as he doesn't let his opponent camp his ramp. Let the tanks siege near your base and you deserve to lose | ||
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On July 30 2012 17:49 lichter wrote: That build CAN beat tanks, as long as he doesn't let his opponent camp his ramp. Let the tanks siege near your base and you deserve to lose Again, the tanks were seiged up and at his ramp before Flash scouted the attack, both times. His scouting is abysmal. | ||
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HolydaKing
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sharkie
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On July 30 2012 17:50 IshinShishi wrote: 3cc into bio is so retardedly unsafe in TvT that any random chobo could have killed flash, I wonder who he is playing against that loses to something like this. Look at KT's terrans lol. He has no practice partners. I can only lol at the people who had called Flash a gifted RTS player. He was the best in BW for sure, but not due talent. | ||
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bgx
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On July 30 2012 17:51 sharkie wrote: Look at KT's terrans lol. He has no practice partners. They acquired Clide. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10253 Posts
On July 30 2012 17:51 sharkie wrote: Look at KT's terrans lol. He has no practice partners. I can only lol at the people who had called Flash a gifted RTS player. He was the best in BW for sure, but not due talent. Then what else? He didnt have talent? what? and it doesnt matter. FlaSh got a 75% vT record in BW with no terran practice partners.theres no excuse to flash. he sucks at sc2. | ||
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sharkie
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On July 30 2012 17:54 FlaShFTW wrote: Then what else? He didnt have talent? what? and it doesnt matter. FlaSh got a 75% vT record in BW with no terran practice partners.theres no excuse to flash. he sucks at sc2. He is the most hard working person I know. He achieved near perfection in BW through hard work. But BW was nearly solved while SC2 is still going through evolution. Flash needs to understand how the game works before he spends hours and hours of practice | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On July 30 2012 17:54 FlaShFTW wrote: Then what else? He didnt have talent? what? and it doesnt matter. FlaSh got a 75% vT record in BW with no terran practice partners.theres no excuse to flash. he sucks at sc2. He just needs to lose his stuborness, which was a highlight of his big loses in BW. In this new environment he cant get away with being stubborn, he is way to new player to dictate metagame. | ||
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Vasoline73
United States7817 Posts
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FlaShFTW
United States10253 Posts
On July 30 2012 17:55 sharkie wrote: He is the most hard working person I know. He achieved near perfection in BW through hard work. But BW was nearly solved while SC2 is still going through evolution. Flash needs to understand how the game works before he spends hours and hours of practice so ur saying that he had no talent to start off with, and that he built himself up from scratch? hm. i could agree with that. he has the best mechanics in the game much like iloveoov which is primarily based off of just hard work and repitition, but his game sense was still really good and you really cant teach game sense (except his game sense sucks right now in sc2...) | ||
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gTank
Austria2601 Posts
On July 30 2012 18:08 FlaShFTW wrote: so ur saying that he had no talent to start off with, and that he built himself up from scratch? hm. i could agree with that. he has the best mechanics in the game much like iloveoov which is primarily based off of just hard work and repitition, but his game sense was still really good and you really cant teach game sense (except his game sense sucks right now in sc2...) I think sc2 doesn't feel natural to him and when he gets fully comfortable with it, the game sense and his awesomeness will be there again. It just takes time imo. | ||
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o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
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thepaz
France31 Posts
when Player can practise only sc2. | ||
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
On July 30 2012 17:55 sharkie wrote: He is the most hard working person I know. He achieved near perfection in BW through hard work. But BW was nearly solved while SC2 is still going through evolution. Flash needs to understand how the game works before he spends hours and hours of practice You are rushing forward with conclusions. BW was nowhere nearly solved and Flash had some bad day today. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50601 Posts
On July 30 2012 18:37 J1.au wrote: The only positive to Flash losing is that all those annoying bandwagon fans will leave. something i've been saying for a very very long time. | ||
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TaShadan
Germany1978 Posts
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On July 30 2012 17:55 bgx wrote: He just needs to lose his stuborness, which was a highlight of his big loses in BW. In this new environment he cant get away with being stubborn, he is way to new player to dictate metagame. In all seriousness, I like to see him try. Maybe he'll stumble on to something. SC2 could certainly benefit from some new ideas. | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
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NightElf
Bangladesh117 Posts
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xelnaga_empire
627 Posts
Flash is still adjusting to SC2 - it looks like he needs more time. He is not as good as Reality or Soulkey yet but I think Flash will come around. In any case, Flash is light years ahead of Bisu at SC2 so I'm not too worried for the time being. | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
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oOOoOphidian
United States1402 Posts
People just assume everyone knows the best builds and doesn't just wing it on ladder or in practice. The players who use strong builds are winning more than anyone else, especially when their execution and mechanics are really good. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
Flash is too good for that shit. | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On July 30 2012 21:43 Xiphos wrote: SCTwo just isn't for Flash. Flash is too good for that shit. oh boy sc2 fan's aren't going to like this.. | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On July 30 2012 17:55 sharkie wrote: He is the most hard working person I know. He achieved near perfection in BW through hard work. But BW was nearly solved while SC2 is still going through evolution. Flash needs to understand how the game works before he spends hours and hours of practice Stop trolling man . If Flash doesn't have talent then nobody else has any talent in e- sports as well ... Flash started dominating the moment he became a Progamer , but it took time to get to his full potential . Flash is experimenting with builds right now in SC2 , to get the feel of timings and counters and whatever . He will still be one of the best players when HOTS comes out and when he understands the game better . The problem with SC2 is that he has been practising it for less then 3 months , while in BW he was already fucking good when he became a pro , since BW wasn't forced on him like SC2 is . He is still really good for the amount of practise he has put in . He would blow 99% of the foreign scene with just his macro . The fact that he is losing so badly is because he is experimenting with builds . When someone gets 6 consecutive finals in GSL and OSL in SC2 then you can start talking to me that that player has more talent then Flash . BW was nearly solved while SC2 is still going to evolve - again wrong . Every year in BW there are new strategies , being used and units utilized like never before . By the time WoL begins to get solved everything will go back to scratch with the expansions so the game really isn't evolving . TvP has been the same in SC2 since forever , PvP isn't even at the point where players have figured out how to take their expansions safely . PvZ also hasn't made any huge progress . People figure out things when Blizzard "balances" something . So i don't see it evolving much . Only notable progress i've seen being made in TvT and TvZ . And everything will go to shit in HOTS , since it doesn't even feel like an expansions then rather a completely different game . | ||
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jpak
United States5045 Posts
On July 30 2012 17:47 radadaundandan wrote: Flash just retire and stream bw on afreeca! Retiring then getting his military service over with doesn't sound bad either. | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5599 Posts
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Scaramanga
Australia8091 Posts
On July 30 2012 23:22 Elroi wrote: I don't really like Flash personally, but I feel sorry for all the fans. Especially Holgerius who apparently was at the venue... I have to say watching him struggle with sc2 is just painful | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On July 30 2012 23:44 Scaramanga wrote: I have to say watching him struggle with sc2 is just painful He seems so angry these days when he loses too. So unlike his old self which he'll simply laugh it off like a bad joke. | ||
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Daray
6006 Posts
On July 31 2012 00:19 Xiphos wrote: He seems so angry these days when he loses too. So unlike his old self which he'll simply laugh it off like a bad joke. I can understand his frustration. Everyone expects you to be the best and when you're not having the results it can be a vicious cycle. I hope with Clides help he can practice better builds and hopefully understand the game a bit more. | ||
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TheShimmy
United States1808 Posts
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
On July 31 2012 00:19 Xiphos wrote: He seems so angry these days when he loses too. So unlike his old self which he'll simply laugh it off like a bad joke. When has he laughed about a loss... going 0-2 in a PL match and losing it for your team isn't something to laugh about, nor is an 0-3 against Fantasy. The only time I've seen him laugh (well a smirk) was his loss against Dear (ended his 15 win streak). Not angry, just sad really. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
We might see him at the next MLG as one of the seeded players. I'm going to hope for him to be matched against Goody (another seeded player), and then I'll secretly root for Goody to win, just to see the reactions in the TL Brood War forums. ^^ | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
On July 31 2012 01:53 ProxyKnoxy wrote: When has he laughed about a loss... going 0-2 in a PL match and losing it for your team isn't something to laugh about, nor is an 0-3 against Fantasy. The only time I've seen him laugh (well a smirk) was his loss against Dear (ended his 15 win streak). Not angry, just sad really. Off the top of my head, his loss to Baby around march 2011 his loss to M18M earlier this season Why on earth is Last so bad at TvZ? He gets a BO win and throws it away. Same thing happened against Shine. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On July 30 2012 21:38 oOOoOphidian wrote: Clide needs to give Flash some solid SlayerS Terran builds and he will blow your mind. Look at how bad jangbi was in his first game (good micro and execution, but outdated build), then compare it to his recent games where he looks incredible. People just assume everyone knows the best builds and doesn't just wing it on ladder or in practice. The players who use strong builds are winning more than anyone else, especially when their execution and mechanics are really good. Agreed. Flash was basically using the same build that he used since that over-the-shoulder vid of him playing SC2 surfaced and that Kawaiirice game on Cloud Kingdom. Basically fast-expanding and going for Marines off of 3 rax and going straight into reactored Medivacs, maybe with upgrades off of one Tech Lab and either one or two Engineer Bays upgrading attack and/or armor. But basically delaying Tanks in favor of lots of upgraded Marines with fast reactored Medivacs. Of course, there are small variations here and there, like opening with either 14cc or 1rax gasless expand or even going for a quick, greedy third like in his game against Classic today. But I'm just a Plat Terran so this might actually be bullshit. Against BaBy earlier this season, the style worked fine. But Classic and Last punished it hard with a 2-base timing attack with Siege Tanks, which is something that I've been struggling with on ladder whenever I try to emulate Flash's build. I see it more as a BO loss than Flash sucking. He really needs to look into more technical builds instead of relying on this one as it has obviously been figured out by STX Terrans. I'm very excited to see what Clide can do with the KT Terrans because they have the talent and potential to be some of the best KeSPA Terrans once they understand the game a bit better and play with better builds. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10253 Posts
On July 31 2012 01:09 TheShimmy wrote: Flash may get it figured out. Look at JD, and he had a rougher transition than Flash. what? FlaSh is still IN the rough transition, and he'll be here quite a while. FlaSh is probs taking this transition the hardest, besides the players who retired due to the switch. It makes me sad seeing FlaSh's head down and everything. Makes me want to cry. TT.TT | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
On July 31 2012 02:04 Release wrote: Off the top of my head, his loss to Baby around march 2011 his loss to M18M earlier this season Why on earth is Last so bad at TvZ? He gets a BO win and throws it away. Same thing happened against Shine. So very rarely, then. I'm not sure why you would think, just because of those few examples, that he would laugh about going 0-2 in PL, especially when the team is in a 6 loss streak | ||
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Obelisco
Peru1962 Posts
On July 31 2012 03:18 ProxyKnoxy wrote: So very rarely, then. I'm not sure why you would think, just because of those few examples, that he would laugh about going 0-2 in PL, especially when the team is in a 6 loss streak KT T_T. Yea, Flash must have taken it pretty hard, how he is makes me thing so. | ||
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reincremate
China2216 Posts
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xmungam
United States1050 Posts
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FlaShFTW
United States10253 Posts
On July 31 2012 05:09 xmungam wrote: what happened here??? bsaically FlaSh lost twice to the same god damn build... sigh... KT zergs still stepping up in BW and Stats with a nice strat in SC2... but still... | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
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b0lt
United States790 Posts
On July 31 2012 06:33 Lightwip wrote: Usually this would be a time for joy, but it's hard to feel anything. It's like this hybrid league made starcraft lose all meaning. I know I can't even feel happy about Bisu losing anyore | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On July 31 2012 14:11 b0lt wrote: I know I can't even feel happy about Bisu losing anyore It's like this hybrid league fixed all the anti-fans, not sure if good or bad. | ||
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
On July 30 2012 17:55 sharkie wrote: He is the most hard working person I know. He achieved near perfection in BW through hard work. But BW was nearly solved while SC2 is still going through evolution. Flash needs to understand how the game works before he spends hours and hours of practice Yeah fuck that noob Flash, he should understand the game before he practices, because we all know practicing the game a lot doesn't actually help you understand it! | ||
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Garmer
1286 Posts
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Aerisky
United States12129 Posts
On July 31 2012 14:11 b0lt wrote: I know I can't even feel happy about Bisu losing anyore That schadenfreude :o Flash losing made me sad as well... TBLS T__T at least JD is doing well in ace matches but that's little solace :/ | ||
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sharkie
Austria18553 Posts
On July 31 2012 14:24 writer22816 wrote: Yeah fuck that noob Flash, he should understand the game before he practices, because we all know practicing the game a lot doesn't actually help you understand it! Are you serious? Take any sports, if you practice the wrong things you don't improve your skills. That is why some countries are just better than others in sports. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18553 Posts
On July 31 2012 21:57 Xiphos wrote: I just hope that Flash realizes that mechanics don't actually matters in SCTwo. Its pretty much about plethora of builds and strats. Not really, macro is still everthing. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
Everybody (pro-wise) have pretty much identical macro. | ||
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GoSuChicken
Germany1726 Posts
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Le French
France782 Posts
On July 31 2012 17:19 Garmer wrote: after the initial enthusiasm, flash is realizing that SC2 isn't for him too early to say this. this is like the birthing pains. i believe in time bw people will dominate. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10253 Posts
On July 31 2012 21:57 Xiphos wrote: I just hope that Flash realizes that mechanics don't actually matters in SCTwo. Its pretty much about plethora of builds and strats. mechanics are still a huge part of this like microing a large engagement while still macroing and that stuff. granted its much easier and noob friendly so that all the players that didn't have a good mechanics as flash (a lot of people) have now caught up or even surpassing flash because their understanding of the game is larger than flash's. | ||
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Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On July 31 2012 17:19 Garmer wrote: after the initial enthusiasm, flash is realizing that SC2 isn't for him No. It's just his TvT build that he had been using since his first SC2 games just happened to get hard-countered by what the STX Terrans were doing. And he plays too passive against some Zergs. Once he fixes up these two big problems, I can see him doing much better in SPL. | ||
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Thorn Raven
United States126 Posts
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TheAnarchy
Chile1105 Posts
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On August 01 2012 03:32 TheAnarchy wrote: Flash was never an intelligent player even at bw. He has just a good micro and macro, but you need more than that in sc2 He's good at being cheesy. By all means, that should be enough to make him an SC2 star. | ||
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beachbeachy
United States509 Posts
On August 01 2012 03:32 TheAnarchy wrote: Flash was never an intelligent player even at bw. He has just a good micro and macro, but you need more than that in sc2 Do you live under a rock? His success was mainly attributed to his stellar starsense and superb decision making. | ||
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
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Djin)ftw(
Germany3357 Posts
On August 01 2012 06:12 beachbeachy wrote: Do you live under a rock? His success was mainly attributed to his stellar starsense and superb decision making. That is your version of the story! I call it maphaxx! How often did he scout proxy buildings? Something is not right..... I smell a conspiracy | ||
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sharkie
Austria18553 Posts
On August 01 2012 06:24 Fionn wrote: People don't realize the two best teams, T8 and Stars, both have Cezanne and Ryu Won. It's no surprise the two teams with the actual SC2 coaches who know builds, what to do in situations, etc. are the two favorites to make the final. I think it's too late for KT to actually make the playoffs except if they make a miracle 7-0 R3, but Clide should help them from next season on when it's purely SC2. and then you have teams like CJ and Khan who do almost as good? It's not so easy as to say sc2 coach = imba | ||
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
On August 01 2012 11:40 sharkie wrote: and then you have teams like CJ and Khan who do almost as good? It's not so easy as to say sc2 coach = imba At this point I would go so far as to say that is actually true. The BW guys, before | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5599 Posts
On August 01 2012 12:02 docvoc wrote: At this point I would go so far as to say that is actually true. The BW guys, before Yes but... Jaedong and Baby are two of the most talented RTS players in the world. The strange thing is that they under performed with the old format, not that they play well now. And that could be explained in the same way: bad practicing conditions and lack of a good coaching staff (which SKT and KT obviously had). | ||
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