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Nabes
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1800 Posts
July 10 2012 21:24 GMT
#2141
On July 11 2012 05:15 2yph0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 05:04 Nabes wrote:
On July 11 2012 04:06 2yph0n wrote:
The one way that BW can get a revival in the west is for Tasteless, Artosis, and Sean to start promoting the game. And of course they won't because of corporatism.


They done a lot for BW already, dont hate on them for moving on.


Your fear of losing them to passion amuses me.


Why would i fear such a thing?
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
July 10 2012 21:24 GMT
#2142
just watched the series.
That was amazing, I could not hold my tears when I saw Kim, damn, who would have known)
I really really can't comprehend how can a game make such things to people. Ahh, thank you, thank you everyone
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2213 Posts
July 10 2012 21:35 GMT
#2143
Jangbi truly embodies the triumph of the human spirit. It's almost a shame that God himself will have to teach him a lesson on mortality.

On the real though, if Jangbi beats Flash in a similar manner to the way he beat Zero, I'll be just as happy as I would be if Flash were to win (and be the only player in BW history to win 7 titles).
MageKirby
Profile Joined July 2009
United States535 Posts
July 10 2012 21:35 GMT
#2144
While I loved the series, I feel terrible for Zero...
2yph0n
Profile Joined June 2012
47 Posts
July 10 2012 21:37 GMT
#2145
On July 11 2012 06:24 Nabes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 05:15 2yph0n wrote:
On July 11 2012 05:04 Nabes wrote:
On July 11 2012 04:06 2yph0n wrote:
The one way that BW can get a revival in the west is for Tasteless, Artosis, and Sean to start promoting the game. And of course they won't because of corporatism.


They done a lot for BW already, dont hate on them for moving on.


Your fear of losing them to passion amuses me.


Why would i fear such a thing?


And oh, there is the denial.
Alt: Xiphos, savin' my 4k posts for an epiphany. Remember the Fallen Heroes, Victory at Command
sheaRZerg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States613 Posts
July 10 2012 21:37 GMT
#2146
Wait...blizzard did what?
I was dead tired and switched it off directly after the final gg.
"Dude, just don't listen to what I say; listen to what I mean." -Sean Plott
Andre
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Slovenia3516 Posts
July 10 2012 21:37 GMT
#2147
Is this really true with the Chinese streams having 150-200k BW viewers? If so, China is the future :o

I can't really believe it's that high, would be great if someone confirms.
You must gather your party before venturing forth.
2yph0n
Profile Joined June 2012
47 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-10 21:41:04
July 10 2012 21:39 GMT
#2148
On July 11 2012 06:37 Andr3 wrote:
Is this really true with the Chinese streams having 150-200k BW viewers? If so, China is the future :o

I can't really believe it's that high, would be great if someone confirms.


Last OSL final, China have two streams for it. One of them have 3 Million viewers while the other had 7. That makes 10 million.

On July 11 2012 06:37 sheaRZerg wrote:
Wait...blizzard did what?
I was dead tired and switched it off directly after the final gg.


Mike M. basically said "We are very happy about the work that OGN have done for Brood War but it is time to transition."
Alt: Xiphos, savin' my 4k posts for an epiphany. Remember the Fallen Heroes, Victory at Command
Zamkis
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada114 Posts
July 10 2012 21:41 GMT
#2149
Epic series, it was really emotional to see Kim like that. Really happy for Jangbi, both players played really well. This final is going to be glorious!
Destruction is a work of an afternoon, Creation is a work of a lifetime.
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2213 Posts
July 10 2012 21:42 GMT
#2150
There are just so many things about this series beyond the games themselves that it makes my head spin. The fact that it was the last (and easily one of the greatest) PvZ series in OSL history, the continuation of Jangbi's second Cinderella story, Zero seemingly crumbling under pressure after coming so close reaching the biggest individual league stage in BW, Kim Carrier being overwhelmed with emotions, the cruel transition to SC Too...
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
July 10 2012 21:42 GMT
#2151
oh man,,,,,,,,,,,, so sad for zero
but the series was great
bw won.........
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
RHoudini
Profile Joined October 2009
Belgium3627 Posts
July 10 2012 21:43 GMT
#2152
Great match.
I very rarely watch BW anymore, but this was epic.
Happy for Jangbi to advance to the finals, hopefully he'll meet FlaSh.
Lee Jae Dong fighting!
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9102 Posts
July 10 2012 21:47 GMT
#2153
Was rooting for Jangbi so glad he won. Game 4 though... Zero must be feeling pretty let down.

Was glad game 5 finally happened so there was at least one longer macro-based game. Wish Zero had gone ultras though. Just because lurkers are imba invisible on that map doesn't mean you have to stay with them until the end!
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4782 Posts
July 10 2012 21:50 GMT
#2154
Just watched the rebroadcast - I don't think I'll be able to get my jaw up from the ground for a couple of days! JANGBI <3
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21242 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-10 21:57:08
July 10 2012 21:56 GMT
#2155
i want to read a fucking lr of a game i missed not 20 pages of shit about bw vs sc2 vs lol vs dota vs blizzard vs ESPORTS can you guys stfu jesus

also the games were pretty good nice series.
TranslatorBaa!
2yph0n
Profile Joined June 2012
47 Posts
July 10 2012 21:58 GMT
#2156
On July 11 2012 06:47 Jonoman92 wrote:
Was rooting for Jangbi so glad he won. Game 4 though... Zero must be feeling pretty let down.

Was glad game 5 finally happened so there was at least one longer macro-based game. Wish Zero had gone ultras though. Just because lurkers are imba invisible on that map doesn't mean you have to stay with them until the end!


Honestly ZerO should have just went Hydra/Mutalisk. JB's composition was Archon/Goon/HTs. Hydralisk can't easily take care of the Archon/Goon part with Mutalisk snipping the HTs. OR he should have went ALL the way with the Queens for Spawn Broodling on those High Templars. But I mainly think that he should have brought Defilers with him at numerous occasions where he was attacking JB's left upper corner bases and of course an Overlord would have helped greatly to fend off against those two DTs.

I don't fault him though. There was actions occuring all over the map. Shuttles flying everything, Protoss deathball roaming around and to keep macroing off from god knows how plenty of Hatches were they. But mainly because of him being emotionally drained from the previous game. JangBi remained in his equanimity form throughout the entire series even when he was losing, his psychological edge was always in check while ZerO looked fucking depressed.

And oh man crowd today was wild! From all my days watching Brood War, the only audience that ever came close to those cheers are the ones in the finals. I honestly didn't expect this to take place. Now its time to find some good stuff for Fantasy vs Flash in which I hope that none of them decide to play a 20 minutes no rush game.
Alt: Xiphos, savin' my 4k posts for an epiphany. Remember the Fallen Heroes, Victory at Command
neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
July 10 2012 22:01 GMT
#2157
Just watched the series.

I regret not waking up early to watch it live. SOoooo much.

That has got to be one of the greatest PvZ series of all time, and the last BW PvZ series ever. GG. Zero played amazing, but so did Jangbi.

And that goes to show you why 3-1 is the Jaedong score, not the Zero score.

f*cking brilliant. This series embodies PvZ.
KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
July 10 2012 22:10 GMT
#2158
On July 10 2012 22:03 Kazius wrote:
pathetic?

Did you say that about Jangbi a year ago, when he was knocked out of the Khan lineup, managed to lose to rookies, and only got a second place finish and some decent rankings in them in the past? If you say that about ZerO, you have to say it about Jangbi, Stork and fantasy.

ZerO deserves better than this. He's just unlucky that he didn't have enough time for it to happen.

I find it sad.


Jangbi had a 62% win rate before his massive slump. ZerO's career win rate is 54.7%. Zero has always been really good but never great. He's had a ton of opportunities, too. I feel worse for players like Stats and Bogus, upcoming A-class players who are as good as Zero has ever been but who will never get the same opportunity for gold.

It's only heartbreaking because Zero was who we thought he was. This is his best matchup! He had large advantages in consecutive games with chances to make it to the Finals and he failed.

And need I remind you the one time he did make it to the Finals he was walked over by Flash. Most of the time you have to beat a great player to win gold. I would much rather see a ZerO with the opportunity to overcome his demons yet failing rather than a Clam or a Hydra, an equally skilled player fluking his way to a title.

Maybe you have something against Jangbi but you're certainly skirting the facts. Jangbi wasn't the first A-class player to be demoted. Winning over 60 percent of your games for three years is an incredible feat and a lot of leeway should be granted to such obvious skill. A 60 percent win-rate is S-class.

On July 10 2012 21:58 Lightwip wrote:
Great game, but I'm getting a bit annoyed with all the "you don't get that from SC2" posts. No need to draw the comparison.


Agreed. It reeks of insecurity. All good things must come to an end. I love Brood War and I am sad it is ending, but the circumstances are conspiring to make the games unique. It has to end some time. Move on with grace.

On July 10 2012 22:04 konadora wrote:
tbh jangbi was close to trash before his sudden rise in form again


Not entirely. Is hoejja trash? Jangbi was sporting ~45% win rate for his approximately two-year slump. That's mediocre, but still only slightly worse than average for a Korean progamer.

--

I wish people wouldn't go overboard with the "Zero is the best player not to win a title." There are a lot of very good players who have never won a title. Zero is one of the better ones, but players like Sea or Best, or even Zero's teammates Light and Neo.G_SoulKey, are just as sad.
Archers_bane
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1338 Posts
July 10 2012 22:11 GMT
#2159
This PvZ series brought back epic memories of the Jaedong vs Snow PDPOP MSL (if you haven't watched that series, you're missing out!)

I am so sad BW is coming to an end. Beautiful memories and I basically grew up watching the players mature as well. Very bitter sweet OSL for many of us.
Starcraft's BW glory days have passed, RIP Jaedong's dominance - 2013...EDIT 2017: WE BACK BOYS
GinDo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
3327 Posts
July 10 2012 22:11 GMT
#2160
Come on Flash vs. Jangbi FINALS.

T_T Long Live BW.
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