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On April 09 2012 00:57 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 00:53 shaftofpleasure wrote:
I don't understand this so-called map imbalance issue with regards to the Ace Match.
This is the finals. KT had players of all races capable of playing for that specific map. Time and time again, BW's top players surpassed map imbalances because of good preparations. And if you review the Ace Match, Flash had really poor decisions during the cheese, during the push, during the harass and his odd choice of units, given the fact that he knows the core was destroyed.
This was not because of map imbalances.
Fanboy tears are delicious! I do hope you realized when you are getting mannered pylon,gas steal, zealot rush at the same time . It's hard to think really straight you know even though you are a pro gamer .I don't think flash even check which building get's destroyed when he was macroing his tanks back in his base . I think if flash actually divided his resources between tanks and marine that last counter attack could have been deflected but than again . Bisu played really well and he exploited every possible thing a protoss can do to a terran delaying the gas and tech at the same time .Bisu was in command of the game throughout the whole time and he had some good scarabs shots at Flash MnM force . Despite that I want to say bisu is good for punishing Flash on a good protoss map and that's reasonably acceptable.
manner pylons and gas steals are quite normal and a person like Flash, or even a significantly worse player should be able to think straight. These are huge mistakes we're talking about here, not something small like getting supply blocked(This I understand in a stressful situation). His pushes just had no chance to work and I have no idea what his gameplan was. It's as if he just winged it due to being forced to make so many marines(Reason for biomech push) but had no proper plans afterwards
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Anyone know when sayle is doing a rebroadcast on his channel?
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On April 09 2012 01:08 sirreginold wrote:
Anyone know when sayle is doing a rebroadcast on his channel?
He was doing it live; vods should be up on twitch.tv
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On April 09 2012 01:08 sirreginold wrote:
Anyone know when sayle is doing a rebroadcast on his channel?
He already casted the finals live, so you can just go to his page and look at the vods. Don't think he'll rebroadcast.
EDIT: ninja'd
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On April 09 2012 01:08 sirreginold wrote:
Anyone know when sayle is doing a rebroadcast on his channel?
Try asking on his thread. He usually announce it there.
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On April 09 2012 01:07 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 00:57 Sawamura wrote:On April 09 2012 00:53 shaftofpleasure wrote:
I don't understand this so-called map imbalance issue with regards to the Ace Match.
This is the finals. KT had players of all races capable of playing for that specific map. Time and time again, BW's top players surpassed map imbalances because of good preparations. And if you review the Ace Match, Flash had really poor decisions during the cheese, during the push, during the harass and his odd choice of units, given the fact that he knows the core was destroyed.
This was not because of map imbalances.
Fanboy tears are delicious! I do hope you realized when you are getting mannered pylon,gas steal, zealot rush at the same time . It's hard to think really straight you know even though you are a pro gamer .I don't think flash even check which building get's destroyed when he was macroing his tanks back in his base . I think if flash actually divided his resources between tanks and marine that last counter attack could have been deflected but than again . Bisu played really well and he exploited every possible thing a protoss can do to a terran delaying the gas and tech at the same time .Bisu was in command of the game throughout the whole time and he had some good scarabs shots at Flash MnM force . Despite that I want to say bisu is good for punishing Flash on a good protoss map and that's reasonably acceptable. manner pylons and gas steals are quite normal and a person like Flash, or even a significantly worse player should be able to think straight. These are huge mistakes we're talking about here, not something small like getting supply blocked(This I understand in a stressful situation). His pushes just had no chance to work and I have no idea what his gameplan was. It's as if he just winged it due to being forced to make so many marines(Reason for biomech push) but had no proper plans afterwards
Map was bad for terran, Your usual FD and 1 rax fe wouldn't have work in ace match situation because knowing players like Bisu he would try to mind game you a little bit and mess around your timing . Since he got mannered pylon and gas steal Flash was pretty much behind and Bio-mech is quite viable if you hit at a certain timing like he did although he did pretty well in killing some tech while camping behind bisu bases .
On April 09 2012 01:07 endy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 00:57 Sawamura wrote:On April 09 2012 00:53 shaftofpleasure wrote:
I don't understand this so-called map imbalance issue with regards to the Ace Match.
This is the finals. KT had players of all races capable of playing for that specific map. Time and time again, BW's top players surpassed map imbalances because of good preparations. And if you review the Ace Match, Flash had really poor decisions during the cheese, during the push, during the harass and his odd choice of units, given the fact that he knows the core was destroyed.
This was not because of map imbalances.
Fanboy tears are delicious! I do hope you realized when you are getting mannered pylon,gas steal, zealot rush at the same time . It's hard to think really straight you know even though you are a pro gamer .I don't think flash even check which building get's destroyed when he was macroing his tanks back in his base . I think if flash actually divided his resources between tanks and marine that last counter attack could have been deflected but than again . Bisu played really well and he exploited every possible thing a protoss can do to a terran delaying the gas and tech at the same time .Bisu was in command of the game throughout the whole time and he had some good scarabs shots at Flash MnM force . Despite that I want to say bisu is good for punishing Flash on a good protoss map and that's reasonably acceptable. To be honest, that game was how the BW Proleague was meant to be ended. Bisu vs Flash, both teams true aces. Bisu with a smart cheese, Flash with a godly sense (as usual) and godly marine micro (When Bisu attacked with like 6 zealots and 2 dragoons, I was sure he would crush the medic less marines, how wrong was I). What was really funny is that Flash never expected Bisu to make that many zealots, and Bisu made so many zealots is because Flash himself killed the core. There was a moment Flash was 10 supply ahead, and Bisu not mining in his main, I was sure it was over.
From a terran perspective when you are quite delayed in everything and I mean in tech and game plan . Panic starts to rise in and will force you to do something and it was a great strategy by flash to go bio mech .
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didn't think they'd put out flash on outlier -.-
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On April 09 2012 01:15 aRyuujin wrote:
didn't think they'd put out flash on outlier -.-
They didn't
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Most amazing finals in ages!! Absolutely riveted for each and every game. Wow ... still can't believe how epic that series was. GG
Poor flash. KT Playoff Zergs man...seriously a phenomena like the world has never seen. 215am here in Aus so over and out.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51703 Posts
man i missed the acematch half way, sad that Flash lost congrats SKT!
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Wanted KT to win so badly, but gg SKT, i enjoyed the grand finals.
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I know that I should be happy after such an amazing finals but now when all the emotions have cooled off I can't help but feel a bit sad. I have never been so hyped and excited about a finals than this one and looking back on how intense the games were and knowing that we may soon not get to see our heroes we have been following for years battling in the game were they truly shine and love (aswell as we, the fans) is heart-breaking.
Ok, enough with the buzz kill, we have to take this when the day comes! GG and congratz SKT and all the T1 fans. My favorite game was Hoejja vs Best I think, what a game from Hoejja! He was so clutch this playoff, great to see. I hope to see some pictures from TLer's that were at the event!  )
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51703 Posts
Poll: That set 6.....I'm such a fan of the winner now (30) 68% I'm still not a fan (14) 32% 44 total votes Your vote: That set 6..... (Vote): I'm such a fan of the winner now
(Vote): I'm still not a fan
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amazing finals, i was in bed watching cuz was insanely cold, but when i saw the first pylon from wookie in the first set i couldnt stay in bed anymore, all games were entertaining (:
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United States10328 Posts
sigh gg
KT Zerg line was incredible these playoffs though, just wow
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amazing finals, so happy for skt. it all played out nicely.
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On April 09 2012 01:23 BLinD-RawR wrote:Poll: That set 6.....I'm such a fan of the winner now (30) 68% I'm still not a fan (14) 32% 44 total votes Your vote: That set 6..... (Vote): I'm such a fan of the winner now
(Vote): I'm still not a fan
Not fair, I was always a fan of Hoejja since Old Boy
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On April 09 2012 01:23 BLinD-RawR wrote:Poll: That set 6.....I'm such a fan of the winner now (30) 68% I'm still not a fan (14) 32% 44 total votes Your vote: That set 6..... (Vote): I'm such a fan of the winner now
(Vote): I'm still not a fan
always .... ALWAYS ROOT FOR THE UNDERDOG
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51703 Posts
On April 09 2012 01:25 shaftofpleasure wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 01:23 BLinD-RawR wrote:Poll: That set 6.....I'm such a fan of the winner now (30) 68% I'm still not a fan (14) 32% 44 total votes Your vote: That set 6..... (Vote): I'm such a fan of the winner now
(Vote): I'm still not a fan
always .... ALWAYS ROOT FOR THE UNDERDOG
why do you think I'm going for royal roaders this OSL!
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In my past eight or so years of watching professional Starcraft, this has probably without a doubt been the best finals I've ever witnessed. All of the games were actually fun to watch and the final set was one of the most hilarious and epic games in Proleague history.
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