[SPL] PO: Samsung Khan vs KT Rolster Day 2 - Page 97

On March 25 2012 15:53 Letmelose wrote:
I like teams that have history and depth. Teams with interesting stories. Teams that create great players, not steal them from less financially stable teams.

Whenever I see the CJ team, I'm reminded of the glorius GO team that had the likes of Go_Rush, Nal_Ra, Midas, ForU, and of course, Xellos. Xellos was a GO man through and through, and stuck with his team and even shared is tournament winnings. The team just oozed class. Plus, coach Cho was awesome. Throughout the years we've seen the rise of so many generations of superb players from the team.

Team 8 reminds me of the now gone POS team and PLUS teams. How July came out of nowhere into superstardom. How he played his designted 1v1 games, 2v2 games as both zerg and terran, ACE matches, and to top things of even 1v1 games as a random player, to support his team while coach Ha constructed the team from rock bottom to discover stars such as Sea. How MBCGame eventually conquered all with their three musketeers. Or the parallel story from the PLUS team with Anytime, and their rise to the top only two years after being the worst team out there by far.

Then there are teams that steal. Like when KT snatched Flash when WeMade Fox was under financial stress. Especially so with SK Telecom T1 with the likes of Midas, and Bisu. Their success and victories are less meaningful because their stories can be summarized with "So we bought these guys, and some faltered because their drive was no longer there because of the high salaries, but it's okay because we also got some other guys and it worked out great for us."

SK Telecom T1 and KT are boring because they are the epitome of the financially stable teams. There are no odds stacked against them. There are no miracles. There are no superstars that come out of nowhere, only mercinaries. They are expected to do well, and often do well, and when they don't, it's okay because they can buy more players. Teams like MBCGame reached the top against all odds, but when they couln't keep their best future prospect in Bisu because of financial hardships, the miracle couldn't be sustained and now they're disbanded.

There's no uncertainty for the bigger teams, and while that may make things easier to support them, just know you're supporting the most boring teams also. A bigger trophy cabinet and fan base doesn't always mean a richer history.

On March 26 2012 12:07 J1.au wrote:
It's pretty amazing that you guys live in a world where corporations that are willing to invest so heavily in Brood War are a bad thing. I mean just look at that heartless SK Telecom, stepping up to sponsor Proleague when nobody else would. What bastards!

On March 26 2012 15:24 Scrandom wrote:
I just had a question for people who know more about broodwar, I try to watch it as regularly as possible but I've never knew why at the start of the game sometimes the observer allies one player, why is that?

On March 26 2012 15:24 Scrandom wrote:
I just had a question for people who know more about broodwar, I try to watch it as regularly as possible but I've never knew why at the start of the game sometimes the observer allies one player, why is that?

On March 26 2012 15:40 Obelisco wrote:

From what I have noticed, he usually allies one player only when its a mirror matchup, this way, the "yellow"/ friendly units are from one player and the "red" hostile units are from the other player. When he initially allies, you can see who he allies with, so you can know which player is which.. Its usually just to differenciate between players i think. Correct me if i am wrong though

On March 26 2012 15:38 Lightwip wrote:

To switch the colors to yellow vs red.

On March 25 2012 15:04 BLinD-RawR wrote:


I did this poll last season...thread was eventually done by lightwip.

Kiett can't do it, don't vote for kiett(btw I voted for kiett)

There is a poll in the Day 2 thread but it is not getting the attention it deserves, and it seems void because Kiett and flamewheel are unavailable. Since this event and thread is important, I would like to simplify this with the poll below. Please vote for your choice.

On March 26 2012 16:38 Bop4yH wrote:


Whoever will do it please do it properly. I didn't have a chance to watch playoffs live and for me the threads for KT vs CJ days 1 and 2 were incredible bad. There were no individual spoilers for each game in lineups and results and no missing fake pools for unplayed ace match.

On March 26 2012 02:03 moopie wrote:


Not necessarily. The stats look worse than they are because aside from Stats and Brave, most of the tosses who were sent there aren't exactly in form. Bisu has a good chance of a PvZ which he'd be a favorite in, or at worst a PvP which is a tossup. I don't think SKT will field a zerg there since soO doesn't really stand a better chance vs CH/Stats than Bisu.

On March 26 2012 04:59 Elroi wrote:

Rofl. And who did you buy? Perfectman, Wooki, the three starleague champions Mind, Luxury and forGG, and.... even Flash (he is, of course, more of a KT player than a Wemade player, but still...). And of course the before mentioned Crazy-Hydra and Action.

On March 26 2012 17:29 Jragon wrote:


nice

it's too bad KT doesn't have one of the top-tier Zergs, I'd love to see Bisu in an epic PvZ

On March 26 2012 10:18 Jackal03 wrote:


Very well, you described my thoughts

On March 27 2012 00:51 Caihead wrote:


Flash while he was on WeMade was a B-teamer, he didn't even play any televised matches and all B-teamers traditionally recieved next to no salary. And you would be lying to yourself if you think that Flash's BW carreer wasn't homegrown by KT. If we tried to track down B-teamer trades between teams who later became significant players we would be here all day.

CJ Entus as it is now is a merger of CJ Entus and Hite Sparkyz, Sparkyz was forced to disband or merge due to the match fixing scandal and its players would have had no where to go - much like mind and perfectman. And look at how much of an essential role Leta and Horang2 play on CJ entus now. Like alot of people already stated, players changing teams happens all the times in professional sports, Light going to stars, Bisu going to SKT, these were all huge changes to the team power dynamics.

Speaking about corporate success and backing, companies like Samsung are even more prevelant and financially stable than KT (their revenue was >10x of KT and >15x of SKT in 2010). There isn't a need to paint KT and SKT as evil entities hiring mercinaries, did you read perfectman's interview when he was finally picked up by KT after being team-less? You can always look in hindsight and say that SKT and KT are boring because they are expected to do well, but that's all a part of history. If you had looked at KT pre 2010 you would have seen a long time contributor to BW that has never won a team league. SKT's success was as home grown as you get with Boxer founding Orion after Ideal Space's collapse, and it subsequently declined in 2005 with boxer leaving for the army. The people who carried KT to their gold in 2010 and now are hardly mercenaries, and you can't possibly think that Boxer's SKT wasn't a homegrown superstar team.