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On March 17 2012 14:15 Harem wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 14:07 Vuk_91 wrote:
So guys...What build counters 2 gate? Siege expand? You have to siege expand with a bunker on maps with downward ramp. You don't know what P is doing ahead of time though and if they say 12nex and you scout them too late then it's a pretty shitty position.
According to people in CRO, rax FE is valid on Jade because of the narrow choke.
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On March 17 2012 14:37 J1.au wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 14:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:On March 17 2012 14:24 kamikami wrote:
Where are the CJ fans ? The whole thread is full of KT tags, SKT tags and some KHAN tags, this is ridiculous. You must support and defend your team and players if you want them to win, especially when the other team is making fun of your team. KT fans haven't been saying much against CJ, it's just a bunch of SKT dudes swooped in onto a soapbox and started railing against how bad CJ is and how KT winning is unimpressive. It's like a kneejerk reaction to putdown every team in contention with them. We most certainly have been talking shit about CJ. :O
Well the only one from kt that is poking fun at cj is from Blind rawr
On March 17 2012 14:21 BLinD-RawR wrote:should have bet more, CJ has the worst luck in playoffs could have made some more cash.
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On March 17 2012 14:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 14:24 kamikami wrote:
Where are the CJ fans ? The whole thread is full of KT tags, SKT tags and some KHAN tags, this is ridiculous. You must support and defend your team and players if you want them to win, especially when the other team is making fun of your team. KT fans haven't been saying much against CJ, it's just a bunch of SKT dudes swooped in onto a soapbox and started railing against how bad CJ is and how KT winning is unimpressive. It's like a kneejerk reaction to putdown every team in contention with them.
In my defense, 94.7% of all CJ fans are obnoxious.
+ Show Spoiler +The other 5.3% are also SKT fans, of course. I'm sticking with my theory that all non-SKT fans are obnoxious.
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See you tomorrow ! Its not over yet.
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On March 17 2012 14:11 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 14:10 Turbovolver wrote:
So Leta went a million facs and didn't have enough units... seems like Stats' 2gate double expand was perfectly planned to counter terran greediness.
shift figured out metagame paradigm If Leta built 4 marines Stats doesn't get that huge leg up on him. Just a small corner cut that snowballed out of control.
Why? He didn't even rush the bunker.
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On March 17 2012 14:40 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 14:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:On March 17 2012 14:24 kamikami wrote:
Where are the CJ fans ? The whole thread is full of KT tags, SKT tags and some KHAN tags, this is ridiculous. You must support and defend your team and players if you want them to win, especially when the other team is making fun of your team. KT fans haven't been saying much against CJ, it's just a bunch of SKT dudes swooped in onto a soapbox and started railing against how bad CJ is and how KT winning is unimpressive. It's like a kneejerk reaction to putdown every team in contention with them. In my defense, 94.7% of all CJ fans are obnoxious. + Show Spoiler +The other 5.3% are also SKT fans, of course. I'm sticking with my theory that all non-SKT fans are obnoxious.
whatever obnoxious one.
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Lightwip calling people obnoxious :D
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On March 17 2012 14:42 Turbovolver wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 14:11 TwoToneTerran wrote:On March 17 2012 14:10 Turbovolver wrote:
So Leta went a million facs and didn't have enough units... seems like Stats' 2gate double expand was perfectly planned to counter terran greediness.
shift figured out metagame paradigm If Leta built 4 marines Stats doesn't get that huge leg up on him. Just a small corner cut that snowballed out of control. Why? He didn't even rush the bunker.
I dunno. Maybe it helps him get his ebay up at a specific time? All I know is there's no way the goons sit there shooting scvs if there's 4 marines in that bunker the way they did.
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On March 17 2012 14:43 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 14:40 Lightwip wrote:On March 17 2012 14:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:On March 17 2012 14:24 kamikami wrote:
Where are the CJ fans ? The whole thread is full of KT tags, SKT tags and some KHAN tags, this is ridiculous. You must support and defend your team and players if you want them to win, especially when the other team is making fun of your team. KT fans haven't been saying much against CJ, it's just a bunch of SKT dudes swooped in onto a soapbox and started railing against how bad CJ is and how KT winning is unimpressive. It's like a kneejerk reaction to putdown every team in contention with them. In my defense, 94.7% of all CJ fans are obnoxious. + Show Spoiler +The other 5.3% are also SKT fans, of course. I'm sticking with my theory that all non-SKT fans are obnoxious. whatever obnoxious one.
What can men do against such reckless hate?
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On March 17 2012 14:45 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 14:42 Turbovolver wrote:On March 17 2012 14:11 TwoToneTerran wrote:On March 17 2012 14:10 Turbovolver wrote:
So Leta went a million facs and didn't have enough units... seems like Stats' 2gate double expand was perfectly planned to counter terran greediness.
shift figured out metagame paradigm If Leta built 4 marines Stats doesn't get that huge leg up on him. Just a small corner cut that snowballed out of control. Why? He didn't even rush the bunker. I dunno. Maybe it helps him get his ebay up at a specific time? All I know is there's no way the goons sit there shooting scvs if there's 4 marines in that bunker the way they did.
Im fairly certain that Stats would still trade 1 goon for 5 SCVs like he did (which is most likely what would have happened had there been 4 rines, 1 Goon would actually die). Looks like a good trade to me, especially when the choke is so narrow not all goons can shoot anw.
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On March 17 2012 14:47 ffreakk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 14:45 TwoToneTerran wrote:On March 17 2012 14:42 Turbovolver wrote:On March 17 2012 14:11 TwoToneTerran wrote:On March 17 2012 14:10 Turbovolver wrote:
So Leta went a million facs and didn't have enough units... seems like Stats' 2gate double expand was perfectly planned to counter terran greediness.
shift figured out metagame paradigm If Leta built 4 marines Stats doesn't get that huge leg up on him. Just a small corner cut that snowballed out of control. Why? He didn't even rush the bunker. I dunno. Maybe it helps him get his ebay up at a specific time? All I know is there's no way the goons sit there shooting scvs if there's 4 marines in that bunker the way they did. Im fairly certain that Stats would still trade 1 goon for 5 SCVs like he did (which is most likely what would have happened had there been 4 rines, 1 Goon would actually die). Looks like a good trade to me, especially when the choke is so narrow not all goons can shoot anw.
He might've, but Stats almost lost 2 goons against just 2 marines in the bunker. Double the damage in that situation is a big deal.
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Argh typical CJ underperformance in the playoff with the deepest lineup out there! 
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On March 17 2012 14:46 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 14:43 BLinD-RawR wrote:On March 17 2012 14:40 Lightwip wrote:On March 17 2012 14:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:On March 17 2012 14:24 kamikami wrote:
Where are the CJ fans ? The whole thread is full of KT tags, SKT tags and some KHAN tags, this is ridiculous. You must support and defend your team and players if you want them to win, especially when the other team is making fun of your team. KT fans haven't been saying much against CJ, it's just a bunch of SKT dudes swooped in onto a soapbox and started railing against how bad CJ is and how KT winning is unimpressive. It's like a kneejerk reaction to putdown every team in contention with them. In my defense, 94.7% of all CJ fans are obnoxious. + Show Spoiler +The other 5.3% are also SKT fans, of course. I'm sticking with my theory that all non-SKT fans are obnoxious. whatever obnoxious one. What can men do against such reckless hate?
sooth the rage or ignore the haters.
they gonna hate anyways.
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On March 17 2012 14:50 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 14:47 ffreakk wrote:On March 17 2012 14:45 TwoToneTerran wrote:On March 17 2012 14:42 Turbovolver wrote:On March 17 2012 14:11 TwoToneTerran wrote:On March 17 2012 14:10 Turbovolver wrote:
So Leta went a million facs and didn't have enough units... seems like Stats' 2gate double expand was perfectly planned to counter terran greediness.
shift figured out metagame paradigm If Leta built 4 marines Stats doesn't get that huge leg up on him. Just a small corner cut that snowballed out of control. Why? He didn't even rush the bunker. I dunno. Maybe it helps him get his ebay up at a specific time? All I know is there's no way the goons sit there shooting scvs if there's 4 marines in that bunker the way they did. Im fairly certain that Stats would still trade 1 goon for 5 SCVs like he did (which is most likely what would have happened had there been 4 rines, 1 Goon would actually die). Looks like a good trade to me, especially when the choke is so narrow not all goons can shoot anw. He might've, but Stats almost lost 2 goons against just 2 marines in the bunker. Double the damage in that situation is a big deal.
There were 2 Rines? I thought there were 3, 2 at the beginning and 1 more later.. I might have been mistaken though, didn't pay THAT much attention.
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On March 17 2012 14:53 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 14:46 Lightwip wrote:On March 17 2012 14:43 BLinD-RawR wrote:On March 17 2012 14:40 Lightwip wrote:On March 17 2012 14:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:On March 17 2012 14:24 kamikami wrote:
Where are the CJ fans ? The whole thread is full of KT tags, SKT tags and some KHAN tags, this is ridiculous. You must support and defend your team and players if you want them to win, especially when the other team is making fun of your team. KT fans haven't been saying much against CJ, it's just a bunch of SKT dudes swooped in onto a soapbox and started railing against how bad CJ is and how KT winning is unimpressive. It's like a kneejerk reaction to putdown every team in contention with them. In my defense, 94.7% of all CJ fans are obnoxious. + Show Spoiler +The other 5.3% are also SKT fans, of course. I'm sticking with my theory that all non-SKT fans are obnoxious. whatever obnoxious one. What can men do against such reckless hate? sooth the rage or ignore the haters. they gonna hate anyways.
Aw, but that's no fun.
Fight hate with hate, I say.
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On March 17 2012 14:58 ffreakk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 14:50 TwoToneTerran wrote:On March 17 2012 14:47 ffreakk wrote:On March 17 2012 14:45 TwoToneTerran wrote:On March 17 2012 14:42 Turbovolver wrote:On March 17 2012 14:11 TwoToneTerran wrote:On March 17 2012 14:10 Turbovolver wrote:
So Leta went a million facs and didn't have enough units... seems like Stats' 2gate double expand was perfectly planned to counter terran greediness.
shift figured out metagame paradigm If Leta built 4 marines Stats doesn't get that huge leg up on him. Just a small corner cut that snowballed out of control. Why? He didn't even rush the bunker. I dunno. Maybe it helps him get his ebay up at a specific time? All I know is there's no way the goons sit there shooting scvs if there's 4 marines in that bunker the way they did. Im fairly certain that Stats would still trade 1 goon for 5 SCVs like he did (which is most likely what would have happened had there been 4 rines, 1 Goon would actually die). Looks like a good trade to me, especially when the choke is so narrow not all goons can shoot anw. He might've, but Stats almost lost 2 goons against just 2 marines in the bunker. Double the damage in that situation is a big deal. There were 2 Rines? I thought there were 3, 2 at the beginning and 1 more later.. I might have been mistaken though, didn't pay THAT much attention.
Just rewatched VOD it was 3 rines. At 7:03 when he pulls the 2 damaged goons back you can see 3 goons taking individual rine fire from the bunker.
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well good game , we will see cj day 2 winning KT for sure lol
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EPT
