On one hand, if Khan wins then KT is in the playoffs for sure, but is only 3rd or 4th place. On the other hand, if Khan loses then KT still has a shot at 2nd place seed (but could also not make the playoffs at all)
Guess I'll cheer for Khan, it's more fun fighting our way up from the 4th-3rd place playoffs match anyway!
While austin powers + evil ZerO pic is win, I bet he'd be hella mad if he saw his image paired with mustang in an LR. He hates that nickname so much lololol
On March 10 2012 16:28 Hinanawi wrote: As a KT fan I'm conflicted...
On one hand, if Khan wins then KT is in the playoffs for sure, but is only 3rd or 4th place. On the other hand, if Khan loses then KT still has a shot at 2nd place seed (but could also not make the playoffs at all)
Guess I'll cheer for Khan, it's more fun fighting our way up from the 4th-3rd place playoffs match anyway!
2nd place seed means fewer KT games to watch. Go Khan!
On March 11 2012 10:44 Doughboy wrote: While austin powers + evil ZerO pic is win, I bet he'd be hella mad if he saw his image paired with mustang in an LR. He hates that nickname so much lololol
Nah, it's "sex maniac" that he hates, and I'm not implying anything with that picture. at all.
On March 11 2012 11:56 Gara wrote: As long as KHAN wins one game this match, they're guaranteed to make the playoffs. If they don't... they might have to depend on CJ or KT to lose.
On March 11 2012 11:56 Gara wrote: As long as KHAN wins one game this match, they're guaranteed to make the playoffs. If they don't... they might have to depend on CJ or KT to lose.
KHAN FIGHTING!
I am not willing to take any chances here.
Got there... all that remains to be seen is if KHAN finishes 2nd, 3rd or 4th.
If Stars wins this match then I think our 4 playoff teams are 100% confirmed: SKT, Khan, KT, and Stars. Then it'll just be about who gets which place.
It'll be fun to see what happens in CJ vs ACE if that happens, since both of them would be out. Nukes, DAs, scouts, disruption web, mass optical flare? Have some fun you two.
On March 11 2012 14:30 yepenaxa wrote: someone please give a rundown what the status now and how this days games affects everything, spoilered of course for those not present earlier
Hope Khan wins to secure 2nd place, but not a big deal if we lose. I'm kind of sad that Stars loss today likely means CJ enters the playoffs, as the Stars are just more funner as a team than the stoic CJ look.
On March 11 2012 14:30 yepenaxa wrote: someone please give a rundown what the status now and how this days games affects everything, spoilered of course for those not present earlier
Easy : Woogjin wins 3-1, KT beats T8, and we get the perfect SKT KT Khan Stars. Truth being told there's still about a billion possibility.
On March 11 2012 14:30 yepenaxa wrote: someone please give a rundown what the status now and how this days games affects everything, spoilered of course for those not present earlier
First T8 is (at leas one of) the favorite(s) KT starts off in last place, Ace looks competitive. Then KT sheds the KTFlash image, and SKT struggles. KT soars to first, while the remainder of the field shuffles. Meanwhile, T8 bottoms out, and SKT hangs in the middle of the pack. Soonafter, Khan manages to rise to first place. T8 is eliminated, and next thing we know, SKT clinches a finals berth. KT (and Flash) become vulnerable, Stats can't win, and KT is in danger of missing the playoffs! And one night later, CJ loses, and KT is in the playoffs! And now shit will change after the Khan vs Stars match! Good drama!
On March 11 2012 14:30 yepenaxa wrote: someone please give a rundown what the status now and how this days games affects everything, spoilered of course for those not present earlier
Based on this game and his game vs Effort, I'm beginning to suspect that Turn has no confidence in his TvZ so instead of just being aggressive, he does these really bad cheeses.
On March 11 2012 14:41 Soft`Soap wrote: man khan really needs to win this if Khan loses this, does KT need to win their next game to place 2nd? or will they place 2nd regardless?
Kind of a garbage game I thought. Was that 2 hatch ling all in with a lurker follow up? I tuned in late and just saw lings lings lings running into turns totally unprepared base.
On March 11 2012 14:41 Dental Floss wrote: Kind of a garbage game I thought. Was that 2 hatch ling all in with a lurker follow up? I tuned in late and just saw lings lings lings running into turns totally unprepared base.
On March 11 2012 14:41 Dental Floss wrote: Kind of a garbage game I thought. Was that 2 hatch ling all in with a lurker follow up? I tuned in late and just saw lings lings lings running into turns totally unprepared base.
On March 11 2012 14:41 Dental Floss wrote: Kind of a garbage game I thought. Was that 2 hatch ling all in with a lurker follow up? I tuned in late and just saw lings lings lings running into turns totally unprepared base.
lolno
TurN put down a factory before a supply depot, his cheese got spotted and perfectly countered and denied, and then he just got rolled.
On March 11 2012 14:41 Dental Floss wrote: Kind of a garbage game I thought. Was that 2 hatch ling all in with a lurker follow up? I tuned in late and just saw lings lings lings running into turns totally unprepared base.
On March 11 2012 14:41 BLinD-RawR wrote: I'M SO MAD!
WHAT A WASTE TvZ.
It's an example of doing exactly what you should do to win though, Soulkey had vision of the natural w/ overlord and knew there wasn't a wall, and he knows that turn has to float the factory and had just put down a cc so he couldn't have had barracks / marines out.
On March 11 2012 14:41 Dental Floss wrote: Kind of a garbage game I thought. Was that 2 hatch ling all in with a lurker follow up? I tuned in late and just saw lings lings lings running into turns totally unprepared base.
It was a scouted 10 fact.
proxy 10 fact.
Non proxy 10 fact doesn't make any sense.
Let's not forget Canata's 9-fact in one of the quickest games in BW history.
On March 11 2012 14:41 Dental Floss wrote: Kind of a garbage game I thought. Was that 2 hatch ling all in with a lurker follow up? I tuned in late and just saw lings lings lings running into turns totally unprepared base.
It was a scouted 10 fact.
proxy 10 fact.
Non proxy 10 fact doesn't make any sense.
Let's not forget Canata's 9-fact in one of the quickest games in BW history.
On March 11 2012 14:41 Dental Floss wrote: Kind of a garbage game I thought. Was that 2 hatch ling all in with a lurker follow up? I tuned in late and just saw lings lings lings running into turns totally unprepared base.
It was a scouted 10 fact.
proxy 10 fact.
Non proxy 10 fact doesn't make any sense.
Let's not forget Canata's 9-fact in one of the quickest games in BW history.
On March 11 2012 14:41 Dental Floss wrote: Kind of a garbage game I thought. Was that 2 hatch ling all in with a lurker follow up? I tuned in late and just saw lings lings lings running into turns totally unprepared base.
It was a scouted 10 fact.
proxy 10 fact.
Non proxy 10 fact doesn't make any sense.
Let's not forget Canata's 9-fact in one of the quickest games in BW history.
that game... was it on destination? not sure but it was oh so awful
On March 11 2012 14:41 Dental Floss wrote: Kind of a garbage game I thought. Was that 2 hatch ling all in with a lurker follow up? I tuned in late and just saw lings lings lings running into turns totally unprepared base.
It was a scouted 10 fact.
proxy 10 fact.
Non proxy 10 fact doesn't make any sense.
Let's not forget Canata's 9-fact in one of the quickest games in BW history.
Who did he play again? I wanna rewatch it, should be over before the next game starts.
On March 11 2012 14:41 Dental Floss wrote: Kind of a garbage game I thought. Was that 2 hatch ling all in with a lurker follow up? I tuned in late and just saw lings lings lings running into turns totally unprepared base.
It was a scouted 10 fact.
proxy 10 fact.
Non proxy 10 fact doesn't make any sense.
Let's not forget Canata's 9-fact in one of the quickest games in BW history.
Who did he play again? I wanna rewatch it, should be over before the next game starts.
On March 11 2012 14:48 friendbg wrote: i don't get why turn is using semi-cheesy builds. He has skill and potential, why fix something when it isn't broken
it seemed like a pure snipe build for sk or even zero
On March 11 2012 14:41 Dental Floss wrote: Kind of a garbage game I thought. Was that 2 hatch ling all in with a lurker follow up? I tuned in late and just saw lings lings lings running into turns totally unprepared base.
It was a scouted 10 fact.
proxy 10 fact.
Non proxy 10 fact doesn't make any sense.
Let's not forget Canata's 9-fact in one of the quickest games in BW history.
Who did he play again? I wanna rewatch it, should be over before the next game starts.
RorO
That was the 9rax --> 9fac --> 9starport --> scouted --> gg, right?
On March 11 2012 14:41 Dental Floss wrote: Kind of a garbage game I thought. Was that 2 hatch ling all in with a lurker follow up? I tuned in late and just saw lings lings lings running into turns totally unprepared base.
It was a scouted 10 fact.
proxy 10 fact.
Non proxy 10 fact doesn't make any sense.
Let's not forget Canata's 9-fact in one of the quickest games in BW history.
Who did he play again? I wanna rewatch it, should be over before the next game starts.
On March 11 2012 14:48 friendbg wrote: i don't get why turn is using semi-cheesy builds. He has skill and potential, why fix something when it isn't broken
it seemed like a pure snipe build for sk or even zero
Soulkey has lost to that build before anyways.
Lomo beat him with it on Match Point in some prelims.
On March 11 2012 14:48 friendbg wrote: i don't get why turn is using semi-cheesy builds. He has skill and potential, why fix something when it isn't broken
I like a player that doesn't go standard 90% of the time, the problem is that Turn builds in TvZs are beyond questionable. I mean, if you look back at his build vs Effort, it's probably the worst you'll ever see. I'm not remotely convinced that he prepared that build. I hope not. I hope he just rolled the dice. While it was similar to what Flash did vs Jaedong, his was really all-in... a fast cc no scv and about 5 infantry units allin.
Stork probably has this. Even when he's bad (see his last game vs... no-name zerg... Alone, right?), he's still good enough. I mean I just don't trust Zero, though I do love him so.
On March 11 2012 14:59 Maghetti wrote: I recall artosis saying toss used to do the "2 gate zealot pressure into dying to mutas* build. I assume this is that build.
On March 11 2012 14:59 Maghetti wrote: I recall artosis saying toss used to do the "2 gate zealot pressure into dying to mutas* build. I assume this is that build.
yup
I think he made a mistake because the mutas haven't killed him yet.
Zero shakes his head as the patented Hydra-only build that has led many Zergs to success failed him against a well-balanced Protoss army, a rare sight indeed.
a few too many drops cost zero imo, 6 or so lurkers did hardly any damage besides taxing stork's multitask. Stork was so chargelot heavy at the end a few more lurkers at the fourth would've made it much closer
On March 11 2012 15:15 Taku wrote: Stork plays sloppy as hell and still wins wtf
he is the best performing protoss so far in proleague
If you want to get into technicalities, you can make the argument that Dear is having a better year (though I agree Stork is the better player of the two).
Stork completely did not play sloppy. Every lurker drop was dealt with very clinically, almost 0 probes were wasted. Every nexus snipe Zero made was repayed by sniping a hatchery + his army. The only thing that didn't go that well for Stork were the storm drops.
On March 11 2012 15:15 Taku wrote: Stork plays sloppy as hell and still wins wtf
Stork's PvZ in a nutshell lol
Stork's never been known to win PvZ's via specific timing attacks (or any other match up as far as I know), he's just a solid player who understands the game very well and all the "sloppiness" are just from the fact that he has relatively low apm.
On March 11 2012 15:18 yepenaxa wrote: is torenhire a little late?
Yeah, it's on a delay if you're watching the other streams, I forgot where the setting was for the time delay server, so I just haven't changed it haha.
On March 11 2012 15:15 Taku wrote: Stork plays sloppy as hell and still wins wtf
Stork's PvZ in a nutshell lol
Stork's never been known to win PvZ's via specific timing attacks (or any other match up as far as I know), he's just a solid player who understands the game very well and all the "sloppiness" are just from the fact that he has relatively low apm.
His micro and game sense is out of this world, but he lacks the Bisu multitask. He's also not very consistent^^
2 gate: defended with minimal losses Mineral hop zealots to third: mineral hop zerglings and defend with no losses 2 star-reaver: shuttle sniped with reavers in it Storm drops: perfect drone splits Zealot drops: no damage
On March 11 2012 15:22 MountainDewJunkie wrote: 2 gate: defended with minimal losses Mineral hop zealots to third: mineral hop zerglings and defend with no losses 2 star-reaver: shuttle sniped with reavers in it Storm drops: perfect drone splits Zealot drops: no damage
...
Win anyway lol
stork vs zerg has always been more than what meets the eye.
On March 11 2012 15:15 Taku wrote: Stork plays sloppy as hell and still wins wtf
Stork's PvZ in a nutshell lol
Stork's never been known to win PvZ's via specific timing attacks (or any other match up as far as I know), he's just a solid player who understands the game very well and all the "sloppiness" are just from the fact that he has relatively low apm.
His micro and game sense is out of this world, but he lacks the Bisu multitask. He's also not very consistent^^
Stork is very consistently though, quite the opposite, he just doesn't have crazy win streaks.
On March 11 2012 15:22 MountainDewJunkie wrote: 2 gate: defended with minimal losses Mineral hop zealots to third: mineral hop zerglings and defend with no losses 2 star-reaver: shuttle sniped with reavers in it Storm drops: perfect drone splits Zealot drops: no damage
...
Win anyway lol
lol? I could say the same about ZerO's harass:
Mutas: doesn't get a single reaver/shuttle/HT thanks to stork's shuttle micro Hydra bust on the front: not even possible, because the mutas failed to snipe the reavers/shuttle Lurker drops: Minimal damage, barely loses any probes
I missed the mass hydra drop because the stream died (assuming there was a drop? looked like they were loading up), but I'm guessing that didn't go well either.
On March 11 2012 15:22 MountainDewJunkie wrote: 2 gate: defended with minimal losses Mineral hop zealots to third: mineral hop zerglings and defend with no losses 2 star-reaver: shuttle sniped with reavers in it Storm drops: perfect drone splits Zealot drops: no damage
...
Win anyway lol
lol? I could say the same about ZerO's harass:
Mutas: doesn't get a single reaver/shuttle/HT thanks to stork's shuttle micro Hydra bust on the front: not even possible, because the mutas failed to snipe the reavers/shuttle Lurker drops: Minimal damage, barely loses any probes
I missed the mass hydra drop because the stream died (assuming there was a drop? looked like they were loading up), but I'm guessing that didn't go well either.
On March 11 2012 15:22 MountainDewJunkie wrote: 2 gate: defended with minimal losses Mineral hop zealots to third: mineral hop zerglings and defend with no losses 2 star-reaver: shuttle sniped with reavers in it Storm drops: perfect drone splits Zealot drops: no damage
...
Win anyway lol
lol? I could say the same about ZerO's harass:
Mutas: doesn't get a single reaver/shuttle/HT thanks to stork's shuttle micro Hydra bust on the front: not even possible, because the mutas failed to snipe the reavers/shuttle Lurker drops: Minimal damage, barely loses any probes
I missed the mass hydra drop because the stream died (assuming there was a drop? looked like they were loading up), but I'm guessing that didn't go well either.
Zero sniped a fuckton of HTs at Stork's base @_@
I think he got about 2 of them? Plus the Zealots mineral hopping did reasonable damage methinks. Not to mention a shitton of overlords killed.
On March 11 2012 15:22 MountainDewJunkie wrote: 2 gate: defended with minimal losses Mineral hop zealots to third: mineral hop zerglings and defend with no losses 2 star-reaver: shuttle sniped with reavers in it Storm drops: perfect drone splits Zealot drops: no damage
...
Win anyway lol
lol? I could say the same about ZerO's harass:
Mutas: doesn't get a single reaver/shuttle/HT thanks to stork's shuttle micro Hydra bust on the front: not even possible, because the mutas failed to snipe the reavers/shuttle Lurker drops: Minimal damage, barely loses any probes
I missed the mass hydra drop because the stream died (assuming there was a drop? looked like they were loading up), but I'm guessing that didn't go well either.
Zero sniped a fuckton of HTs at Stork's base @_@
Obviously not enough, considering how many storms he still had left. I didn't notice the other muta waves, but the first time when he was aiming for the reavers, it totally failed.
The result of the 2 gate was favorable to stork, the shuttle snipe was not that bad because he did some damage in form of unit forced and lost mining time and so on and so on. Imho that game was very well played by both, Stork even better?
On March 11 2012 15:22 MountainDewJunkie wrote: 2 gate: defended with minimal losses Mineral hop zealots to third: mineral hop zerglings and defend with no losses 2 star-reaver: shuttle sniped with reavers in it Storm drops: perfect drone splits Zealot drops: no damage
...
Win anyway lol
lol? I could say the same about ZerO's harass:
Mutas: doesn't get a single reaver/shuttle/HT thanks to stork's shuttle micro Hydra bust on the front: not even possible, because the mutas failed to snipe the reavers/shuttle Lurker drops: Minimal damage, barely loses any probes
I missed the mass hydra drop because the stream died (assuming there was a drop? looked like they were loading up), but I'm guessing that didn't go well either.
He sniped multiple high templars at the nat, that's why Stork's first push didn't finish the game. Still, Stork dictated the flow because it's 2stars vs muta scourge and carried it. It was his game to lose.
On March 11 2012 15:22 MountainDewJunkie wrote: 2 gate: defended with minimal losses Mineral hop zealots to third: mineral hop zerglings and defend with no losses 2 star-reaver: shuttle sniped with reavers in it Storm drops: perfect drone splits Zealot drops: no damage
...
Win anyway lol
lol? I could say the same about ZerO's harass:
Mutas: doesn't get a single reaver/shuttle/HT thanks to stork's shuttle micro Hydra bust on the front: not even possible, because the mutas failed to snipe the reavers/shuttle Lurker drops: Minimal damage, barely loses any probes
I missed the mass hydra drop because the stream died (assuming there was a drop? looked like they were loading up), but I'm guessing that didn't go well either.
It killed stork's third, but not much more, unless you dont mean that drop
In between games, something's been on my mind about how BW has continually evolved. I started following pro-BW in Bacchus '08, and since then queens have found their way out of uselessness, did valkyries do the same or were they used? It seems like valkyries being viable for anything at all is a new development (as in, the past 2-3 years), but I could be wrong.
On March 11 2012 15:47 Dental Floss wrote: I'm sure this is an informative interview. "Well, I built some proxy gateways, and they didnt' get scouted so I won" ~*fartz*~
On March 11 2012 15:40 bearbuddy wrote: Fun fact: Khan has cheesed in every single game so far.
Hmmm I don't consider Stork's 2 gate a cheese. It's just an aggressive opening that isn't used much because of maps.
And because it seems Stork is the only one who still knows how to play it.
Jangbi also knows how to play it, if I recall another game earlier this season.
I remember him trying and failing a lot with it. Anyway for me it's pretty obvious Stork is the mastermind behinf quite a few of the build Jangbi uses. Erf, pvp :-(
On March 11 2012 15:40 bearbuddy wrote: Fun fact: Khan has cheesed in every single game so far.
Hmmm I don't consider Stork's 2 gate a cheese. It's just an aggressive opening that isn't used much because of maps.
And because it seems Stork is the only one who still knows how to play it.
Jangbi also knows how to play it, if I recall another game earlier this season.
...You mean that game where he tried to 2 gate Effort crossmap on GZ, got fended off easily, and died miserably? lol
Or maybe you mean the game against Alone. That wasn't really an aggressive 2 gate though; he was just suspecting zerg cheese, so he chose a build that wouldn't leave his main vulnerable to the back passage.
On March 11 2012 15:40 bearbuddy wrote: Fun fact: Khan has cheesed in every single game so far.
Hmmm I don't consider Stork's 2 gate a cheese. It's just an aggressive opening that isn't used much because of maps.
And because it seems Stork is the only one who still knows how to play it.
Jangbi also knows how to play it, if I recall another game earlier this season.
...You mean that game where he tried to 2 gate Effort crossmap on GZ, got fended off easily, and died miserably? lol
Or maybe you mean the game against Alone. That wasn't really an aggressive 2 gate though; he was just suspecting zerg cheese, so he chose a build that wouldn't leave his main vulnerable to the back passage.
On March 11 2012 15:40 bearbuddy wrote: Fun fact: Khan has cheesed in every single game so far.
Hmmm I don't consider Stork's 2 gate a cheese. It's just an aggressive opening that isn't used much because of maps.
And because it seems Stork is the only one who still knows how to play it.
Jangbi also knows how to play it, if I recall another game earlier this season.
...You mean that game where he tried to 2 gate Effort crossmap on GZ, got fended off easily, and died miserably? lol
Or maybe you mean the game against Alone. That wasn't really an aggressive 2 gate though; he was just suspecting zerg cheese, so he chose a build that wouldn't leave his main vulnerable to the back passage.
Wasn't that Jangbi?
Read the quote she quoted, she is talking about Jangbi
On March 11 2012 15:40 bearbuddy wrote: Fun fact: Khan has cheesed in every single game so far.
Hmmm I don't consider Stork's 2 gate a cheese. It's just an aggressive opening that isn't used much because of maps.
And because it seems Stork is the only one who still knows how to play it.
Jangbi also knows how to play it, if I recall another game earlier this season.
...You mean that game where he tried to 2 gate Effort crossmap on GZ, got fended off easily, and died miserably? lol
Or maybe you mean the game against Alone. That wasn't really an aggressive 2 gate though; he was just suspecting zerg cheese, so he chose a build that wouldn't leave his main vulnerable to the back passage.
Wasn't that Jangbi?
Read the quote she quoted, she is talking about Jangbi
Yeah, I'm just tearing myself apart here. Too emotionally traumatized.
KT beats T8, CJ beats ACE ----- SKT, Khan, KT, CJ KT beats T8, ACE beats CJ ---- SKT, Khan, KT, Stars T8 beats KT, CJ beats ACE ---- SKT, Khan, KT, CJ T8 beats KT, ACE beats CJ ---- SKT, Khan, KT, Stars
KT beats T8, CJ beats ACE ----- SKT, Khan, KT, CJ KT beats T8, ACE beats CJ ---- SKT, Khan, KT, Stars T8 beats KT, CJ beats ACE ---- SKT, Khan, KT, CJ T8 beats KT, ACE beats CJ ---- SKT, Khan, KT, Stars
KT beats T8, CJ beats ACE ----- SKT, Khan, KT, CJ KT beats T8, ACE beats CJ ---- SKT, Khan, KT, Stars T8 beats KT, CJ beats ACE ---- SKT, Khan, KT, CJ T8 beats KT, ACE beats CJ ---- SKT, Khan, KT, Stars
There are only two possible outcomes now, in terms of playoff finalists. If CJ wins, they enter in 4th place. If they lose, Stars holds their spot.
This means Team 8 vs KT is meaningless, I wonder if we'll see some fun tomfoolery like nukes, scouts, wacky builds nobody in their right mind would try in a game that mattered.
KT beats T8, CJ beats ACE ----- SKT, Khan, KT, CJ KT beats T8, ACE beats CJ ---- SKT, Khan, KT, Stars T8 beats KT, CJ beats ACE ---- SKT, Khan, KT, CJ T8 beats KT, ACE beats CJ ---- SKT, Khan, KT, Stars
KT beats T8, CJ beats ACE ----- SKT, Khan, KT, CJ KT beats T8, ACE beats CJ ---- SKT, Khan, KT, Stars T8 beats KT, CJ beats ACE ---- SKT, Khan, KT, CJ T8 beats KT, ACE beats CJ ---- SKT, Khan, KT, Stars
3rd and 4th don't really matter though (and in this case, KT is locked at 3), so to simplify, CJ beats ACE, CJ makes playoffs, Ace beats CJ, Stars make playoffs.
On March 11 2012 16:09 Hinanawi wrote: This means Team 8 vs KT is meaningless, I wonder if we'll see some fun tomfoolery like nukes, scouts, wacky builds nobody in their right mind would try in a game that mattered.
every match matters to a team without a damn sponsor.
On March 11 2012 16:04 konadora wrote: YES KHAN #2
MAYBE KHAN VS SKT FINALS :D
i hope so
Truly, Stork dino-stomping Bisu and JangBi laying down the storms on Fantasy would be a wonderful finale.
Well, that after Flash gets eaten by Stork and Stats gets a beatdown from Jangbi while TurN and Grape make mincemeat of Action and CH would be particularly sweet.
KT beats T8, CJ beats ACE ----- SKT, Khan, KT, CJ KT beats T8, ACE beats CJ ---- SKT, Khan, KT, Stars T8 beats KT, CJ beats ACE ---- SKT, Khan, KT, CJ T8 beats KT, ACE beats CJ ---- SKT, Khan, KT, Stars
3rd and 4th don't really matter though (and in this case, KT is locked at 3), so to simplify, CJ beats ACE, CJ makes playoffs, Ace beats CJ, Stars make playoffs.
Pretty much. The only diff between 3rd and 4th placing is that 3rd placing gets to choose the 1st/7th map of the 1st and 3rd match of their series. 4th place gets to choose the 1st/7th map of the 2nd match of the series.
On March 11 2012 16:04 konadora wrote: YES KHAN #2
MAYBE KHAN VS SKT FINALS :D
i hope so
Truly, Stork dino-stomping Bisu and JangBi laying down the storms on Fantasy would be a wonderful finale.
Well, that after Flash gets eaten by Stork and Stats gets a beatdown from Jangbi while TurN and Grape make mincemeat of Action and CH would be particularly sweet.
I wouldn't mind. But I'd be very disappointed if Khan did that only to collapse against SKT.
Sweet, this Bo7 with ace match format definitely favors KHAN over everyone else, although SKT certainly comes close in terms of depth. I have a hard time seeing KT fielding 6 or even 5 players strong enough to take down Stork, Jangbi, Brave, Grape, Turn, Shine, Roro, and Reality.
On March 11 2012 16:21 Gara wrote: Sweet, this Bo7 with ace match format definitely favors KHAN over everyone else, although SKT certainly comes close in terms of depth. I have a hard time seeing KT fielding 6 or even 5 players strong enough to take down Stork, Jangbi, Brave, Grape, Turn, Shine, Roro, and Reality.
On March 11 2012 16:21 Gara wrote: Sweet, this Bo7 with ace match format definitely favors KHAN over everyone else, although SKT certainly comes close in terms of depth. I have a hard time seeing KT fielding 6 or even 5 players strong enough to take down Stork, Jangbi, Brave, Grape, Turn, Shine, Roro, and Reality.
Jangbi is good, but I think Stork is still the best Protoss. Look at his match against Zero today. The longer the game goes, the better he plays. Such an experienced player.
On March 11 2012 16:21 Gara wrote: Sweet, this Bo7 with ace match format definitely favors KHAN over everyone else, although SKT certainly comes close in terms of depth. I have a hard time seeing KT fielding 6 or even 5 players strong enough to take down Stork, Jangbi, Brave, Grape, Turn, Shine, Roro, and Reality.
It still favours the teams with the strongest aces (KT/SKT1). You really only need 2 or 3 strong players and some well planned all-ins from the scrubs for an extra win or two. KT just needs flash + 2 wins from stats/ch/hoejja/action/perfective then it's all over despite your depth. Flash, Stats and CH in current form make it at least going to ace pretty likely. CJ have effort/leta/hydra/snow/horang2 which Samsung is also unlikely to get through easily. Depth will get samsung to ace matches but you're still relying on stork beating hydra/effort/flash/fantasy, all of whom are favoured against him.
On March 11 2012 16:21 Gara wrote: Sweet, this Bo7 with ace match format definitely favors KHAN over everyone else, although SKT certainly comes close in terms of depth. I have a hard time seeing KT fielding 6 or even 5 players strong enough to take down Stork, Jangbi, Brave, Grape, Turn, Shine, Roro, and Reality.
Maybe "favors KHAN over everyone else" is a bit exaggerated, but it's definitely better for KHAN than Bo5 and worse for most other teams. That's what I was really trying to say and I may have gotten overblown KHAN's chances.
I wouldn't exactly call Action (3-6), Hoejja (2-5), or Mind (2-7!) particularly reliable, although by the same vein I guess Grape (1-5) and Roro (4-7) should probably be eliminated from my list.
On March 11 2012 16:21 Gara wrote: Sweet, this Bo7 with ace match format definitely favors KHAN over everyone else, although SKT certainly comes close in terms of depth. I have a hard time seeing KT fielding 6 or even 5 players strong enough to take down Stork, Jangbi, Brave, Grape, Turn, Shine, Roro, and Reality.
It still favours the teams with the strongest aces (KT/SKT1). You really only need 2 or 3 strong players and some well planned all-ins from the scrubs for an extra win or two. KT just needs flash + 2 wins from stats/ch/hoejja/action/perfective then it's all over despite your depth. Flash, Stats and CH in current form make it at least going to ace pretty likely. CJ have effort/leta/hydra/snow/horang2 which Samsung is also unlikely to get through easily. Depth will get samsung to ace matches but you're still relying on stork beating hydra/effort/flash/fantasy, all of whom are favoured against him.
Depth means that KHAN can win before it goes to an ace match. Hoejja & Action are unimpressive this season, and Stats is hardly a guaranteed win either. I would favor Turn or Shine over Hoejja, and almost any KHAN 2nd-string player over Action. It all comes down to matchups. If either CH or Stats drop a game, then KT's chances of taking it to game 7 drop significantly; Stats has been looking particularly vulnerable of late.
Also, Effort and Hydra are 3-5 and 1-2 in ZvP this season, whereas Stork is 5-1 PvZ...
Out of the 12 Bo7s that were played in the last playoffs, only 3 went to a 7th set.
On March 11 2012 16:21 Gara wrote: Sweet, this Bo7 with ace match format definitely favors KHAN over everyone else, although SKT certainly comes close in terms of depth. I have a hard time seeing KT fielding 6 or even 5 players strong enough to take down Stork, Jangbi, Brave, Grape, Turn, Shine, Roro, and Reality.
It still favours the teams with the strongest aces (KT/SKT1). You really only need 2 or 3 strong players and some well planned all-ins from the scrubs for an extra win or two. KT just needs flash + 2 wins from stats/ch/hoejja/action/perfective then it's all over despite your depth. Flash, Stats and CH in current form make it at least going to ace pretty likely. CJ have effort/leta/hydra/snow/horang2 which Samsung is also unlikely to get through easily. Depth will get samsung to ace matches but you're still relying on stork beating hydra/effort/flash/fantasy, all of whom are favoured against him.
wow, never thought of it like that.
granted, i only starting thinking about the depth thing yesterday night, but you're absolutely right. with the ace system, you don't really need to be 7 (or 8 in our case) deep in a Bo7. edit: any yea, of course, depends on the matchups.
all the better imo, i much rather cheer on for KHAN as underdogs. with that mentality, it's always more fulfilling, should they win. and if not, we were expected to lose.
Daaam, now it all comes down to CJ vs ACE. This is season has been good, intense ending to see who gets to play in the playoffs. Also can't believe stars, cj and kt all lost their games even though it was all high-stakes
On March 12 2012 12:12 We Are Here wrote: Daaam, now it all comes down to CJ vs ACE. This is season has been good, intense ending to see who gets to play in the playoffs. Also can't believe stars, cj and kt all lost their games even though it was all high-stakes
Stars losing a high-stakes match shouldn't be suprising to anyone.
Remember when Choker played Great in the MSL semis?
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