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Dakkas
Profile Joined October 2010
2550 Posts
January 12 2012 02:09 GMT
#1301
On January 12 2012 10:49 Release wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 10:11 Dakkas wrote:
It's a sad day indeed when the most consistent protoss players are Stats and Best

Maybe TBLS should just be changed to L

Ambiguous. Try God.


It's hardly ambiguous, you just need to look at the last few games to know which Lee I'm referring to
TheStonerer
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada278 Posts
January 12 2012 02:39 GMT
#1302
On January 12 2012 00:52 gostunv wrote:
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On January 11 2012 23:22 soujiro_ wrote:
https://twitter.com/#!/Jungu1992

honsin twitter, stars fans give him some love


it seems hes talking mostly to SC2 players?

how does that happen with a young player in BW?

MVP and supernova were woongjin terrans, so i think they'd keep in touch.
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
January 12 2012 02:54 GMT
#1303
On January 11 2012 21:50 Dakkas wrote:
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On January 11 2012 21:48 mnesthes wrote:
Pfft, I'll give it to him with the +1 air weapon and good corsair stacking that deflected SK's air raid. But imo he still sucks.


You're a twit, which other zerg must he CRUSH before he stops sucking?


Suck is much too strong of a word. Best's PvZ is clearly much improved and on a whole new level. Beating the titans of JD, Hydra, and SK is some legit play.

However, whether he has truly transformed into a great PvZer won't be answered until we see prolonged success in the MU. Many players have had some godly runs from 5, or even 10, games but then slipped back to a more average level. Given the improved control and generally increased solidness of his play so far though I think we'll be seeing solid PvZ from Best in the months to come though.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
January 12 2012 03:14 GMT
#1304
wtf best keeps winning pvzs, !!?!? LOL

congrats to woongjing though. shit i gotta watch this epic series now.
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
wassbix
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada499 Posts
January 12 2012 03:20 GMT
#1305
On January 12 2012 12:14 alffla wrote:
wtf best keeps winning pvzs, !!?!? LOL

congrats to woongjing though. shit i gotta watch this epic series now.


Best taking performance enhancing drugs supplied by Fantasy
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37058 Posts
January 12 2012 04:10 GMT
#1306
......... SKT 2 - 3 Woongjin Stars.....

Something is DEFINITELY wrong here :/
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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X10A
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada9837 Posts
January 12 2012 04:17 GMT
#1307
BEST Why you keep winning PvZ TT
Atleast Stars won
SIN you baller you <3
CJ/T8 Fighting//#1 STX and Bisu anti <3//YES X10A is based off the Freedom Gundam
Motivate
Profile Joined June 2011
2860 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-12 04:29:21
January 12 2012 04:23 GMT
#1308
I missed the mine on the probes when I watched it live so I went to youtube to watch the VOD and WTF? How can people say hon_sin won through that lucky mine? It only killed 4 probes...

Also, can anyone explain why the audience was repeatedly shouting "mine" at one point? It's not like there weren't any mines about to blow up. Maybe they were trying to yell at the terran to use his mines cos the observer was showing there were unused mines on the vults.
shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
January 12 2012 04:39 GMT
#1309
On January 12 2012 13:10 Seeker wrote:
......... SKT 2 - 3 Woongjin Stars.....

Something is DEFINITELY wrong here :/


its not so wrong...you have 2 strong players and the rest are niche players (although best is stepping it up)

woongjin has at least 3 strong players
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
January 12 2012 05:02 GMT
#1310
Jesus... Bisu's elo dropped by 34 for that one game. Looks like it's goodbye forever to first place ;__;
Writer:o
hellbound
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2242 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-12 05:14:47
January 12 2012 05:13 GMT
#1311
Have Flying on my anti, but I will allow this for the lols.

Edit: ARGH I'm a queen. Here tankie tankie...
Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2396 Posts
January 12 2012 05:37 GMT
#1312
On January 12 2012 13:23 Motivate wrote:
I missed the mine on the probes when I watched it live so I went to youtube to watch the VOD and WTF? How can people say hon_sin won through that lucky mine? It only killed 4 probes...

Also, can anyone explain why the audience was repeatedly shouting "mine" at one point? It's not like there weren't any mines about to blow up. Maybe they were trying to yell at the terran to use his mines cos the observer was showing there were unused mines on the vults.

The commentators were doing it too =/

But you're right about that one mine not changing the game.

Bisu has always been weak against timing pushes because he actually has to use PvT micro and not just get by on good mechanics.
The original Bogus fan.
mnesthes
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
5433 Posts
January 12 2012 06:04 GMT
#1313
I just rewatched that Bisu game, seemed like he a-moved all units in the last battle which resulted in nearly all his Dragoons attacking the Ebay?
<+LighTofHeaveN> Ppl call this "Indigo Children"
darkmetal505
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States639 Posts
January 12 2012 07:14 GMT
#1314
On January 12 2012 10:44 Dakkas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 10:13 darkmetal505 wrote:
On January 12 2012 09:11 Kiett wrote:
On January 12 2012 08:17 Turbovolver wrote:
On January 12 2012 03:03 kamikami wrote:
Congrats to Woongjin fans for this win, although it's really unfortunate that SKT lost (mostly due to coach Park's decision of sending Bisu on Sniper Ridge - that map just sucks for him).

They are sending him on it to try to avoid Terran because of his awful PvT, due to the 8:2 PvT record.


I don't even understand why his PvT has suddenly degenerated into such mediocrity again. He went fucking undefeated, 10-0 against Terrans in regular PL last season, and 13-3 in WL. That's a goddamn 88% win rate. What happened Bisu, what happened? Is it the maps, or is it your hair, or is this your way of telling Coach Park to get you new uniforms? T__T


How about sometimes players just lose games.



There's a difference between losing a game and losing a game when you played extremely sloppy. hon_sin made a lot of mistakes that any S-class player on an average day should just roll through however Bisu did not. I love him to death however I cannot defend his play. A perfect counterpart of this game is the WCG Bisu vs Flash game on Heartbreak Ridge where similar things went down, here he was lacking everything that made that game good. From what I can remember, there was only a couple times where he attempted to destroy the mines with his goons

This isn't like Canata vs Jaedong where Canata stepped up his game immensely, this was just........bad


No I understand that. But sometimes even S class players have off days. I feel like people think Bisu is entitled to every single win simply because he is Bisu. The loss surely doesn't mean his PvT "degenerated into such mediocrity" by any means (unless the remark was meant to be sarcastic). He's 8-2 in his last PvTs; hardly mediocre. If a S class player didn't play sloppy and slip up once in a while, then he'd have 0 losses.

I could also say the same thing about JD vs Canata. It was a combo of JD being stupid and Canata playing well. It's classic coulda, woulda, shoulda for both games. He could have microed his dragoons better, he should have attacked at a better position, he would have won the game, etc. Sometimes you just have to admit he got outplayed. Hindsight is 20/20 afterall.
s3183529
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia707 Posts
January 12 2012 08:17 GMT
#1315
Why is SKT losing to Woongjin all the time??????? WHY?
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
January 12 2012 08:29 GMT
#1316
On January 12 2012 13:23 Motivate wrote:
I missed the mine on the probes when I watched it live so I went to youtube to watch the VOD and WTF? How can people say hon_sin won through that lucky mine? It only killed 4 probes...

Also, can anyone explain why the audience was repeatedly shouting "mine" at one point? It's not like there weren't any mines about to blow up. Maybe they were trying to yell at the terran to use his mines cos the observer was showing there were unused mines on the vults.

They were shouting mines because the vultures were full of it and there were none on the field.
WriterXiao8~~
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
January 12 2012 08:35 GMT
#1317
On January 12 2012 17:17 s3183529 wrote:
Why is SKT losing to Woongjin all the time??????? WHY?


Woongjin has Skt1 number that's why . By the way boss control from flying was so awesome , seems like by.sun didn't even stand a chance against flying superior dragoon control.
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
czechue
Profile Joined February 2011
Poland13 Posts
January 12 2012 13:07 GMT
#1318
In my opinion it has been best match in this season so far...
So exciting!
But I still feel sorry for T8...
nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
January 12 2012 21:27 GMT
#1319
If he tried to squeeze that first DT through the backdoor instead of killing the forges, he might win right there...
WaterTower
Profile Joined May 2011
France138 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-13 08:43:00
January 13 2012 08:42 GMT
#1320
in my opinion, JD vs Canata was a sloppier game than Bisu vs Sin. JD microed mediocrely and his grand strategy totally failed. Pretty much, every observer knew during the match that only a few spore colonies or hydras would have saved him. t_t

In fact, JD's grand strategy was so bad that it makes it seem possible that Savior is actually back in the game, fixing matches from "beyond the grave".

Meanwhile, Sin vs Bisu actually did have a Bisu with a good strat in mind with acceptable micro, but he was constantly trolled by bad luck. The loss of the 4 probes may have cost Bisu the game, since it was at least 350 minerals in lost income and cost to replace the probes, and there were some close battles to the point that I think 3 goons or 4 zealots would have made the difference.

Despite that, I give my Kudos to Sin for knowing that he would never win in a macro war, and had to fight early and aggressively in order to have a chance at victory.

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