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Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
January 08 2012 03:54 GMT
#321
On January 08 2012 12:43 Turbovolver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2012 12:42 Mortality wrote:
On January 08 2012 12:35 Turbovolver wrote:
On January 08 2012 12:33 Jackal03 wrote:
On January 08 2012 12:32 Turbovolver wrote:
On January 08 2012 12:31 Jackal03 wrote:
horang2 outmacroed reality

STOP SAYING THIS GUYS!

Horang2 was slow to rebuild, had tons of unspent resources for most of the game...


Ugh.


despite that, he was able to aways keep troop count way above reality

So, analyse the reasons for that, instead of trying to claim it comes down to a lack of "macro".


Don't think anybody is saying Reality is bad at macro. I missed the very start, but from what I saw Horang2 had good macro. Which is not unusual. Horang2's macro is not his weakness. Macro isn't just resource management. Expansion timing, worker saturation, these things also...

Reality lost because he took a very early 3rd, well tried to, and Horang2 called it and attacked with 8 goons at a very nice timing.

Reality was on the back foot ever since that moment, and it showed in the food counter all game.

Or, you know, he was "outmacroed", whatever.


So then you're going to throw a fit at people using terms like outmacroed unless neither player attacks until one of them maxes?

I'm not trying to say that macro was the only reason why Horang2 won, or even that Horang2 managed his resources particularly well. That recall had a definite impact and Reality could not afford to let his push get slowed down after he took out Horang2's main army. Probably he should have planted mines and risked attacking Horang2's other bases in order to try to even out the economies.

But the reality is that at the end of the game, Horang2 was simply throwing units at Reality inefficiently. He won on unit production.

There are always a lot of subtleties that go into who wins and who loses. You can always point to reasons why one player's macro is stronger in a particular game. That doesn't change the fact that it IS stronger.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
Celloist
Profile Joined June 2011
447 Posts
January 08 2012 03:55 GMT
#322
effort tries to bust
The Messiah Cometh!
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10393 Posts
January 08 2012 03:55 GMT
#323
MASS LING COUNTER BY EFFORT!!! CRACK UPGRADE!!!

Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
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Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
January 08 2012 03:55 GMT
#324
Lings attacking the nat

both cannons down

corsairs got scourged but Jangbi manages to hold
yepenaxa
Profile Joined July 2011
Belarus2280 Posts
January 08 2012 03:55 GMT
#325
LINGS IN JANGBIS NATURAL!!!
War. Bloody War.
yepenaxa
Profile Joined July 2011
Belarus2280 Posts
January 08 2012 03:55 GMT
#326
lings kill jangbis third
War. Bloody War.
X10A
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada9837 Posts
January 08 2012 03:55 GMT
#327
HT and goons being added to Jangbi's army now
Defiler mound being added
+2 attack for toss ground is done
Jangbi taking his 3rd at 6 oclock, one ling spots it
Lots of lings going to run into the nat!
+1 carapace is done
Both cannons go down, and cracklings do well, amazingly well vs goons
Tons of drones being lost for Jangbi at the nat
More lings flooding into the 3rd, going to force the cancel on the nexus
CJ/T8 Fighting//#1 STX and Bisu anti <3//YES X10A is based off the Freedom Gundam
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66359 Posts
January 08 2012 03:55 GMT
#328
wow sick ling backdoor
POGGERS
Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
January 08 2012 03:55 GMT
#329
effort hive techs for the ags.

who needs defilers.
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gngfn
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1726 Posts
January 08 2012 03:55 GMT
#330
Wow, Kwanro is playing again?
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10393 Posts
January 08 2012 03:55 GMT
#331
omfg effort star-sense!!! streaming lings EVERYWHERE!!!
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
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Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
January 08 2012 03:55 GMT
#332
effort is setting the pace and it doesn't look like jangbi is keeping up.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
January 08 2012 03:56 GMT
#333
But now Effort goes for the third

Forces nexus to be cancelled

He now attacks the nat again with lings

but it is cleared by zealots
Jragon
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1471 Posts
January 08 2012 03:56 GMT
#334
man effort likes his zerglings
"Bisu is just too good." - Jaedong (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218995) "Bisu hyung's play is just too good" - Flash (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=225861)
Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
January 08 2012 03:56 GMT
#335
wow, that was fancy rofl.
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10393 Posts
January 08 2012 03:56 GMT
#336
holy shit efffort!!!!
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
TL+ Member
RelZo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Hungary397 Posts
January 08 2012 03:56 GMT
#337
effort so good O.O
a choboling
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
January 08 2012 03:56 GMT
#338
damn jangbi is being ripped apart
yepenaxa
Profile Joined July 2011
Belarus2280 Posts
January 08 2012 03:56 GMT
#339
jangbi pushes his own
War. Bloody War.
X10A
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada9837 Posts
January 08 2012 03:56 GMT
#340
More lings flooding the nat
Zealots being made fresh off
Even more lings flooding in
Jangbi looks like hes going to counter the nat
Mutas are out, to snipe the HT
All HT and observers are sniped
EFFORT <3
CJ/T8 Fighting//#1 STX and Bisu anti <3//YES X10A is based off the Freedom Gundam
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