SKT probably but you never know, Lee Seung Eun fighting! Also, I think Kal can play, he will show his true Goejilla today and own someone with reavers.
Preferabbly 2sair reaver against Soo or S2, but Ill take anything.
We've been struggling of late, so taking out SKT seem to be excellent way of re-establishing our relevance. And I have been feeling strangely optimistic.
Wow you hid that poll quite expertly Hyde, didn't even see it the first time ^^
Obviously FBH is looking down because he is afraid to meet BeSt's gaze! ACE is already in the behind! (you should have put the best pic next to fbh haha)
On December 20 2011 02:33 KenNage wrote: hypuuuuuuuuuuuuu, moar bw plox, last sunday matches were so good, hope this match too =P
SKT always delivers, if we go down, we go down in style ;D FANTAJIIIIIII
On December 20 2011 03:00 jaQi wrote: Oh kal, another PvP that Bisu can lose to :D dunno what happend to his PvP, I remember there was a time he was way more consistent in that matchup.
Well mirrors are always so fickle and really even though players sometimes utterly dominate them (JD :o) it's usually only for a short/intermittent amount of time (JD...:{). Bisu always liked to lose his Reavers btw.^^ he'll get there again, no worries
gee you dont think best will get sent to snipe one of the terrans? Bisu might be shaky in PvP but he's still not going to lose to M18M.
i dont think they send best to snipe someone they just send him its for ace to snipe him lol too bad its the same for fantasy ,,, and bisu ,,,, i swear if somehow ace wins here i am changing my logo to ace i swear
On December 20 2011 14:18 Shurayuki wrote: Where's the HYYYYYYPE?!!!
Damn i shouldn't have stayed awake for this...unless ACE actually puts up a decent fight, so i almost hope you 3:0ers are wrong!
There's not really that much hype in any match up that includes ACE unfortunately, not unless they're in the playoffs or at the finals. Probably going to be 3-1 or 3-0 SKT.
Also if I had put best and fbh next to each other they might look like awkward lovers lol
On December 20 2011 14:18 Shurayuki wrote: Where's the HYYYYYYPE?!!!
Damn i shouldn't have stayed awake for this...unless ACE actually puts up a decent fight, so i almost hope you 3:0ers are wrong!
There's not really that much hype in any match up that includes ACE unfortunately, not unless they're in the playoffs or at the finals. Probably going to be 3-1 or 3-0 SKT.
Also if I had put best and fbh next to each other they might look like awkward lovers lol
On December 20 2011 14:29 kassi wrote: Wow Fantasy looks like a woman. That was kinda scary... I hope it goes to 3:2 either way!
what two fitting posts haha, man we need some e-sports romance rumors so that would've been perfect!
Hey since ACE beat KT they are technically stronger than CJ, who supposedly are the strongest, so GET HYPE! urg who am i fooling, but at least we get some tete-a-tete with Canata.
(also: i'm always giddy when SKT plays, it's silly really. on top of that my football team won so SKT has to deliver to make this one awesome week; last time both lost >_>>>>)
On December 20 2011 15:25 rebdomine wrote: Weekday PL games make me sad. Can't see them live cause I'm at work. T_T
They make me sad too because they start at 1 a.m. for me, but since it is winter break I can actually stay up and watch them (as I normally miss them because of having to wakeup early for my classes.)
Now that my FPL and liquibet are damaged beyond repair I can go into viewing this game with no expectations and just enjoy some Brood War, feet on the desk style. Wonder if FBH will get a zerg this time around tho.
On December 20 2011 15:52 mustaju wrote: I hope we see a Kal win. Is that too much to hope for?
You already spent all your wishes for this year, see you next year!
What's the deal with everybody wanting FBH - Bisu?
On December 20 2011 15:53 Adr4melecH wrote:
On December 20 2011 15:40 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote: I think I'm gonna be able to stay up for at least the entire first match....
If it's not a Canata TvT......
Canata vs Fantasy :D :D :D
The good thing about that would be that when they finish, it will be Christmas!
Because firebathero can win against bisu easy
Eh i'd have more confidence in a P to take him down by now ;P
Gratz btw, now you have some of the abilities our DTs have all the time muahaha
Now i want Bisu FBH too, so KTY can dance on his face while singing Jingle Bells!
On December 20 2011 16:00 Nikon wrote: Now that my FPL and liquibet are damaged beyond repair I can go into viewing this game with no expectations and just enjoy some Brood War, feet on the desk style. Wonder if FBH will get a zerg this time around tho.
yeah weekend has demolished my LB beyond hope :lol
Man that table looks so sad, i always expect them to show the second half at any second...we need more BW teams dammit. Is there even a remote chance if all stars align and sponsors have interest again, that we'd actually get MORE teams?
On December 20 2011 16:06 Shurayuki wrote: Man that table looks so sad, i always expect them to show the second half at any second...we need more BW teams dammit. Is there even a remote chance if all stars align and sponsors have interest again, that we'd actually get MORE teams?
We foreigners should band our resources together and sponsor a team.
This push won't be terribly effective, I don't think. M18M has 3gates and observatory already, while Ssak is just adding his 2nd factory. He also floated his rax, so yeah.
Lol, Ssak got demolish. Although he lost only 1 tank and damaged some dragoons, so I don't know. Nvm, goons just walk in and kill everything in the nat.
2 goons die to mines, tanks are dead. 6 goons now attacking the natural, with more on the way
tank sieges up inside main on high ground. 3 more goons down, 6 goons take out the floating rax. observer inside ssak's main, spots the 3rd factory in the making
goons move into the natural, scvs are pulled, tank down! 3 goons remaining now as fresh tanks come out and siege up
m18m on 3 gates and is getting his 3rd at 12 o'clock, he's getting templar archives. failed vulture run by as goons are defending the natural
SCVs are pretty good in this game, I heard lol. Ssak holds on, but his tank count is lowered to the point where M18M can take a fourth right now and he'll be perfectly safe.
shuttle appears inside ssak's natural, it moves onto the main! DT's dropped, turrets being put up! vultures are laying mines! turret goes up and gives vision to the terran units. some small damage done by the DTs, shuttle goes down though.
DT drop, no scanners! Although he lets a turret finish in the main. Should've tried to drag some mines in the SCVs for some hilarity tbh. Drop wasn't very effective overall.
woah there's another DT inside ssak's main, was it hidden? maybe he didn't kill it with splash, but it's dead now for sure as vultures arrive to plant mines
8th gate warping in, first arbiter is out
tanks are slowly inching towards the center of the map
Great v Bisu? Why the hell send out a weak ass new zerg. Send FBH vs Bisu now that would be fun to watch. Still deciding if i even want to watch this Bisu massacre....
Bisu getting his nexus first, probe still running around inside the main, it's headed towards the natural now where it's hindering the drone from placing the hatch. hatchery finally started at the natural, that would be the 3rd hatch
Bisu now getting his forge up, gateway and cannon to follow
A fourth hatchery, wait what? This is intriguing, maybe he'll use the fast hydras to snipe the forge and continue as normal? Pretty neat little plan. Or he's going to go lurkers in order to bust the back ramp, dunno.
On December 20 2011 16:42 Nikon wrote: A fourth hatchery, wait what? This is intriguing, maybe he'll use the fast hydras to snipe the forge and continue as normal? Pretty neat little plan. Or he's going to go lurkers in order to bust the back ramp, dunno.
i was about to predict demise using that strat (you know, Effort and stuff), but lol that ninja hatch at 12
On December 20 2011 16:42 Nikon wrote: A fourth hatchery, wait what? This is intriguing, maybe he'll use the fast hydras to snipe the forge and continue as normal? Pretty neat little plan. Or he's going to go lurkers in order to bust the back ramp, dunno.
i was about to predict demise using that strat (you know, Effort and stuff), but lol that ninja hatch at 12
Well, he interrupted the +1 upgrade for the time being, so it's effective so far. Wait, upgrade finished? Bummer.
This is good econ aggression by great. Bisu is only waiting for +1 then it will decide how the game turns out - instarape or a long grinding pwnage. Either way, Bisu wins
Eh, Great did really well, but the map generally favours protoss with the min-only in the back in this match up. Kinda hard to overcome such an advantage.
On December 20 2011 16:48 gngfn wrote: Hive tech No lurkers ... OK, Great.
Lurkers wouldn't have helped and Great got a Hive. The problem is there is no way to get Hive tech out less than 13 minutes into the game, especially when opening with a 4 Hatch Hydralisk break opening and maintaining a strong enough economy to do anything while being able to hold off the initial speedlots after the Hydralisk break.
Now, if Great went for Lurkers he wouldn't have had any units to accompany them and the Dragoons would have ran him over. The only shot Great had was to snipe the HT with his Mutalisks, but he was unable to do that and because of that he didn't have enough Hydralisks to stop the attack.
On December 20 2011 16:51 Bayyne wrote: Am I wrong in thinking Great was in a good position that game?
He would have been in a great if Bisu decided to turtle on 2.5 base for 10 minutes
He was teching, mass-expanding AND upgrading at the same time. Bisu didn't really need the HTs at all, if he went pure dragoons and zealots he woulda won as well, only a little bit longer because great just had no units
On December 20 2011 16:50 Nikon wrote: Eh, Great did really well, but the map generally favours protoss with the min-only in the back in this match up. Kinda hard to overcome such an advantage.
His main go A-moved by a low gas army, don't see how that can be considered "doing really well"
On December 20 2011 16:53 PurePwnageofTerran wrote: Thats two games in a row weve seen pure rageage. Can we get a good game please? Maybe Best vs FirebatHero, that would make my day.
LOL best would just do his typical build 20 gateways and 1a2a3a macro mode to victory. who needs storms?
On December 20 2011 16:48 gngfn wrote: Hive tech No lurkers ... OK, Great.
Lurkers wouldn't have helped and Great got a Hive. The problem is there is no way to get Hive tech out less than 13 minutes into the game, especially when opening with a 4 Hatch Hydralisk break opening and maintaining a strong enough economy to do anything while being able to hold off the initial speedlots after the Hydralisk break.
Now, if Great went for Lurkers he wouldn't have had any units to accompany them and the Dragoons would have ran him over. The only shot Great had was to snipe the HT with his Mutalisks, but he was unable to do that and because of that he didn't have enough Hydralisks to stop the attack.
No units to accompany them, except maybe the 3-4 control group hydra army he had on hand?
On December 20 2011 16:48 gngfn wrote: Hive tech No lurkers ... OK, Great.
Lurkers wouldn't have helped and Great got a Hive. The problem is there is no way to get Hive tech out less than 13 minutes into the game, especially when opening with a 3 Hatch Hydralisk break opening and maintaining a strong enough economy to do anything while being able to hold off the initial speedlots after the Hydralisk break.
Now, if Great went for Lurkers he wouldn't have had any units to accompany them and the Dragoons would have ran him over. The only shot Great had was to snipe the HT with his Mutalisks, but he was unable to do that and because of that he didn't have enough Hydralisks to stop the attack.
Basically .. this game is one of many good examples why 3 hatch hydra is not a strong stable build to open with.
fantasy gg timing would be losing main and all expos except 12 o clock, and as bisu proceeds to destroy it, great, who somehow saved up 1k minerals starts expanding at 3 different areas while holding each off with 2-3 lurkers. bisu army proceeds to take down one by one, cancelling each hatch before destruction and rebuilding another hatch elsewhere. supply difference is now 150, great has 17 supply, but refusing to surrender. he starts harassing with 3 zergling at an undefended expansion and takes down a couple of probes before being beamed to death by them. with only 3 lurkers against 15 carriers and 5 scouts, great watches as his last hatchery goes down to 50 hp before typing out gg and being eliminated, but not before doing a spin with that drone that was building that last hatchery
On December 20 2011 16:53 PurePwnageofTerran wrote: Thats two games in a row weve seen pure rageage. Can we get a good game please? Maybe Best vs FirebatHero, that would make my day.
LOL best would just do his typical build 20 gateways and 1a2a3a macro mode to victory. who needs storms?
yeah like the second to last time when FBh just attacked like 6min in...and...won? wtf was that best
On December 20 2011 16:53 PurePwnageofTerran wrote: Thats two games in a row weve seen pure rageage. Can we get a good game please? Maybe Best vs FirebatHero, that would make my day.
On December 20 2011 16:51 Bayyne wrote: Am I wrong in thinking Great was in a good position that game?
Nah , there was a moment where it looks pretty well for great for me too. Before Bisu took his 3rd and had goons I thought great has enough mins and stuff to fight him, but he waited too long, Bisu build his 3, goons and temps and zlots went out and that is the moment where BvZ are usually decided ^^
On December 20 2011 16:53 PurePwnageofTerran wrote: Thats two games in a row weve seen pure rageage. Can we get a good game please? Maybe Best vs FirebatHero, that would make my day.
LOL best would just do his typical build 20 gateways and 1a2a3a macro mode to victory. who needs storms?
yeah like the second to last time when FBh just attacked like 6min in...and...won? wtf was that best
of course he got his revenge
tbh that was more of best failing than fbh playing particularly well
fbh's tvp recently has been improving though (if you ignore that abysmal last performance). at least i hope it has been. not convinced with anyone else's tvp these days besides flash.
On December 20 2011 16:51 Bayyne wrote: Am I wrong in thinking Great was in a good position that game?
Nah , there was a moment where it looks pretty well for great for me too. Before Bisu took his 3rd and had goons I thought great has enough mins and stuff to fight him, but he waited too long, Bisu build his 3, goons and temps and zlots went out and that is the moment where BvZ are usually decided ^^
Can't wait for set 3 .
If you wanna beat a toss like Bisu you've gotta deny that third longer. Otherwise his superior micro and macro are gonna overrun you no matter what advantage you seem to have for a moment.
"I lost two hts because i wasnt looking at the minimap and I didnt know about the hidden expos... i would've in a bad position if the game continued in his favor"
On December 20 2011 16:51 Bayyne wrote: Am I wrong in thinking Great was in a good position that game?
Nah , there was a moment where it looks pretty well for great for me too. Before Bisu took his 3rd and had goons I thought great has enough mins and stuff to fight him, but he waited too long, Bisu build his 3, goons and temps and zlots went out and that is the moment where BvZ are usually decided ^^
Can't wait for set 3 .
If you wanna beat a toss like Bisu you've gotta deny that third longer. Otherwise his superior micro and macro are gonna overrun you no matter what advantage you seem to have for a moment.
How do you deny the third when he gets it for free on this map lol?
On December 20 2011 16:54 konadora wrote: that wasn't fantasy gg timing
fantasy gg timing would be losing main and all expos except 12 o clock, and as bisu proceeds to destroy it, great, who somehow saved up 1k minerals starts expanding at 3 different areas while holding each off with 2-3 lurkers. bisu army proceeds to take down one by one, cancelling each hatch before destruction and rebuilding another hatch elsewhere. supply difference is now 150, great has 17 supply, but refusing to surrender. he starts harassing with 3 zergling at an undefended expansion and takes down a couple of probes before being beamed to death by them. with only 3 lurkers against 15 carriers and 5 scouts, great watches as his last hatchery goes down to 50 hp before typing out gg and being eliminated, but not before doing a spin with that drone that was building that last hatchery
You should give him some obs too.... and a arbiter takes care of the carriers
(hum, do you guys know a game where arbs and carriers appear? I can imagine its way too expansive, but it would be funny :D)
On December 20 2011 16:54 konadora wrote: that wasn't fantasy gg timing
fantasy gg timing would be losing main and all expos except 12 o clock, and as bisu proceeds to destroy it, great, who somehow saved up 1k minerals starts expanding at 3 different areas while holding each off with 2-3 lurkers. bisu army proceeds to take down one by one, cancelling each hatch before destruction and rebuilding another hatch elsewhere. supply difference is now 150, great has 17 supply, but refusing to surrender. he starts harassing with 3 zergling at an undefended expansion and takes down a couple of probes before being beamed to death by them. with only 3 lurkers against 15 carriers and 5 scouts, great watches as his last hatchery goes down to 50 hp before typing out gg and being eliminated, but not before doing a spin with that drone that was building that last hatchery
You should give him some obs too.... and a arbiter takes care of the carriers
(hum, do you guys know a game where arbs and carriers appear? I can imagine its way too expansive, but it would be funny :D)
i think bisu vs jaedong on andromeda? stork vs ggplay?
On December 20 2011 16:54 konadora wrote: that wasn't fantasy gg timing
fantasy gg timing would be losing main and all expos except 12 o clock, and as bisu proceeds to destroy it, great, who somehow saved up 1k minerals starts expanding at 3 different areas while holding each off with 2-3 lurkers. bisu army proceeds to take down one by one, cancelling each hatch before destruction and rebuilding another hatch elsewhere. supply difference is now 150, great has 17 supply, but refusing to surrender. he starts harassing with 3 zergling at an undefended expansion and takes down a couple of probes before being beamed to death by them. with only 3 lurkers against 15 carriers and 5 scouts, great watches as his last hatchery goes down to 50 hp before typing out gg and being eliminated, but not before doing a spin with that drone that was building that last hatchery
You should give him some obs too.... and a arbiter takes care of the carriers
(hum, do you guys know a game where arbs and carriers appear? I can imagine its way too expansive, but it would be funny :D)
i think bisu vs jaedong on andromeda? stork vs ggplay?
fbh's tvp recently has been improving though (if you ignore that abysmal last performance). at least i hope it has been. not convinced with anyone else's tvp these days besides flash.[/QUOTE]
On December 20 2011 16:54 konadora wrote: that wasn't fantasy gg timing
fantasy gg timing would be losing main and all expos except 12 o clock, and as bisu proceeds to destroy it, great, who somehow saved up 1k minerals starts expanding at 3 different areas while holding each off with 2-3 lurkers. bisu army proceeds to take down one by one, cancelling each hatch before destruction and rebuilding another hatch elsewhere. supply difference is now 150, great has 17 supply, but refusing to surrender. he starts harassing with 3 zergling at an undefended expansion and takes down a couple of probes before being beamed to death by them. with only 3 lurkers against 15 carriers and 5 scouts, great watches as his last hatchery goes down to 50 hp before typing out gg and being eliminated, but not before doing a spin with that drone that was building that last hatchery
You should give him some obs too.... and a arbiter takes care of the carriers
(hum, do you guys know a game where arbs and carriers appear? I can imagine its way too expansive, but it would be funny :D)
i think bisu vs jaedong on andromeda? stork vs ggplay?
Great should have build both of his Evo Chambers down at natura for simcity effectl and then turtled up with Sunkens and then when Bisu's units would arrive, he can attack Bisu's army from behind with the support of Sunkens.
110 minute game incoming, Fantasy will start ahead, but Canata will delay the game, forcing a map split into battlecruisers, both players will dance their BC/vessels around for 35 minutes before attacking. Canata will win the first engagement and continue to get farther and farther ahead. Fantasy will stay in the game for 20 minutes after it's impossible for him to come back, using the power of TERRAN to turtle as hard as possible
On December 20 2011 17:03 Xiphos wrote: Great should have build both of his Evo Chambers down at natura for simcity effectl and then turtled up with Sunkens and then when Bisu's units would arrive, he can attack Bisu's army from behind with the support of Sunkens.
I think he would be probably effed either way unless he snipes the HT with his Muta
On December 20 2011 16:54 konadora wrote: that wasn't fantasy gg timing
fantasy gg timing would be losing main and all expos except 12 o clock, and as bisu proceeds to destroy it, great, who somehow saved up 1k minerals starts expanding at 3 different areas while holding each off with 2-3 lurkers. bisu army proceeds to take down one by one, cancelling each hatch before destruction and rebuilding another hatch elsewhere. supply difference is now 150, great has 17 supply, but refusing to surrender. he starts harassing with 3 zergling at an undefended expansion and takes down a couple of probes before being beamed to death by them. with only 3 lurkers against 15 carriers and 5 scouts, great watches as his last hatchery goes down to 50 hp before typing out gg and being eliminated, but not before doing a spin with that drone that was building that last hatchery
You should give him some obs too.... and a arbiter takes care of the carriers
(hum, do you guys know a game where arbs and carriers appear? I can imagine its way too expansive, but it would be funny :D)
i think bisu vs jaedong on andromeda? stork vs ggplay?
Bisu used Arbiter and Carrier vs Zerg... against Jaedong? Thats pretty baller!!! vods?
On December 20 2011 17:04 xxpack09 wrote: 110 minute game incoming, Fantasy will start ahead, but Canata will delay the game, forcing a map split into battlecruisers, both players will dance their BC/vessels around for 35 minutes before attacking. Canata will win the first engagement and continue to get farther and farther ahead. Fantasy will stay in the game for 20 minutes after it's impossible for him to come back, using the power of TERRAN to turtle as hard as possible
fantasy gets ghosts, lockdown on all BCs, runs around map, repeat for 50 minutes
On December 20 2011 17:03 Xiphos wrote: Great should have build both of his Evo Chambers down at natura for simcity effectl and then turtled up with Sunkens and then when Bisu's units would arrive, he can attack Bisu's army from behind with the support of Sunkens.
What about his third? Great was obviously planing to contest with Bisus army on the map. The problem was great's army was not nearly strong enough to do that. So no defence no army straight to hive, admit it, great fucked up big time.
On December 20 2011 16:54 konadora wrote: that wasn't fantasy gg timing
fantasy gg timing would be losing main and all expos except 12 o clock, and as bisu proceeds to destroy it, great, who somehow saved up 1k minerals starts expanding at 3 different areas while holding each off with 2-3 lurkers. bisu army proceeds to take down one by one, cancelling each hatch before destruction and rebuilding another hatch elsewhere. supply difference is now 150, great has 17 supply, but refusing to surrender. he starts harassing with 3 zergling at an undefended expansion and takes down a couple of probes before being beamed to death by them. with only 3 lurkers against 15 carriers and 5 scouts, great watches as his last hatchery goes down to 50 hp before typing out gg and being eliminated, but not before doing a spin with that drone that was building that last hatchery
You should give him some obs too.... and a arbiter takes care of the carriers
(hum, do you guys know a game where arbs and carriers appear? I can imagine its way too expansive, but it would be funny :D)
i think bisu vs jaedong on andromeda? stork vs ggplay?
Bisu used Arbiter and Carrier vs Zerg... against Jaedong? Thats pretty baller!!! vods?
i can't remember if he did, but he definitely got carriers
On December 20 2011 16:54 konadora wrote: that wasn't fantasy gg timing
fantasy gg timing would be losing main and all expos except 12 o clock, and as bisu proceeds to destroy it, great, who somehow saved up 1k minerals starts expanding at 3 different areas while holding each off with 2-3 lurkers. bisu army proceeds to take down one by one, cancelling each hatch before destruction and rebuilding another hatch elsewhere. supply difference is now 150, great has 17 supply, but refusing to surrender. he starts harassing with 3 zergling at an undefended expansion and takes down a couple of probes before being beamed to death by them. with only 3 lurkers against 15 carriers and 5 scouts, great watches as his last hatchery goes down to 50 hp before typing out gg and being eliminated, but not before doing a spin with that drone that was building that last hatchery
You should give him some obs too.... and a arbiter takes care of the carriers
(hum, do you guys know a game where arbs and carriers appear? I can imagine its way too expansive, but it would be funny :D)
i think bisu vs jaedong on andromeda? stork vs ggplay?
Bisu used Arbiter and Carrier vs Zerg... against Jaedong? Thats pretty baller!!! vods?
you should just look for the thread here on unusual BW games, that had all the oddities like this
On December 20 2011 17:04 xxpack09 wrote: 110 minute game incoming, Fantasy will start ahead, but Canata will delay the game, forcing a map split into battlecruisers, both players will dance their BC/vessels around for 35 minutes before attacking. Canata will win the first engagement and continue to get farther and farther ahead. Fantasy will stay in the game for 20 minutes after it's impossible for him to come back, using the power of TERRAN to turtle as hard as possible
fantasy gets ghosts, lockdown on all BCs, runs around map, repeat for 50 minutes
like that starleague game Canata v Best where best had won and contained him with like 2 control groups of Carrier, but canata stayed, got lockdown and delayed for 20min so he could nuke twice...and then gg
On December 20 2011 17:03 Xiphos wrote: Great should have build both of his Evo Chambers down at natura for simcity effectl and then turtled up with Sunkens and then when Bisu's units would arrive, he can attack Bisu's army from behind with the support of Sunkens.
I think he would be probably effed either way unless he snipes the HT with his Muta
TBH, the HTs didn't really make that big of a difference. Great managed to snipe half the hts Bisu had (not shown during game) and by the engagement, he had only about two storms worth. Mutas was a fine investment but he really shouldn't have invested in hive tech without the safety of lurkers especially in cognizance with the hidden 5th. I mean, he definitely had the gas. great was just too panicked or too rushed, hts or not
On December 20 2011 17:04 xxpack09 wrote: 110 minute game incoming, Fantasy will start ahead, but Canata will delay the game, forcing a map split into battlecruisers, both players will dance their BC/vessels around for 35 minutes before attacking. Canata will win the first engagement and continue to get farther and farther ahead. Fantasy will stay in the game for 20 minutes after it's impossible for him to come back, using the power of TERRAN to turtle as hard as possible
fantasy gets ghosts, lockdown on all BCs, runs around map, repeat for 50 minutes
On December 20 2011 17:15 Mobius_1 wrote: Lol everyone was lamenting an endless game incoming. Thank god/Canata for our collective sanity intact, then.
^^ that was a bit before my time AND that's what i meant by 'really' cry, like out of sadness...so many cry when they win a SL for example, even flash made me like him way more
It was late, and Kal was up to play Not a creature was stirring, not even Dr Dre The crowd fell slient, Computer screens shook, The Red Shuttle said he aint no halfway crook
On December 20 2011 17:23 Nikon wrote: Hyuk is looking rather distressed in his booth for some reason. Sad part is, if Kal wins this we'll probably get Best vs FBH or some stuff like that.
really? didn't pay attention, Hyuk always has that CJ face!
On December 20 2011 17:22 TheShimmy wrote: It was late, and Kal was up to play Not a creature was stirring, not even Dr Dre The crowd fell slient, Computer screens shook, The Red Shuttle said he aint no halfway crook
This should be good, Kal's sair/reaver is usually exciting (remember that game vs I think Shine on triathalon with the epic scourge dodging and storm dropping?)
still pumping out sairs, 2 more cannons added to the natural (3) reaver tech for Kal? Reaver sitting at the natural, oh snap Kal going reaver/sair. This is do or die
Adun finished. Shuttle is out, think it only has one reaver
That was pretty dumb from Kal, how did he expect to defend his nat... He saw Hyuk sending a zergling every minute to check his defense which was 2 zeals and 3 cans... I know Hyuk tends to Hyuk himself, but not counter attacking that defenseless natural would have been beyond the limits of Hyukage.
On December 20 2011 17:43 endy wrote: That was pretty dumb from Kal, how did he expect to defend his nat... He saw Hyuk sending a zergling every minute to check his defense which was 2 zeals and 3 cans... I know Hyuk tends to Hyuk himself, but not counter attacking that defenseless natural would have been beyond the limits of Hyukage.
Kal just seems to have these brainfarts every now and then, I find it quite amusing(probably cos i've never been a fan of kal)
Like that time he scouted shine's hydra bust way ahead of time, then proceeded to die to it anyway.
On December 20 2011 17:53 oldfartz wrote: so did ace lose again? not even gonna bother watching any game that involves ace. theyre killing esports
How dare you ? ACE are trying hard, they take on their sleeping time to be able to train. The ACE team is one of the most beautiful achievements of e-sports development. Get the fuck out of LR threads.
Kal's PvZ looked pretty bad. He was going for everything except an army or doing any real damage to Hyuk. In the end he had 3 cannons, 2 zealots and 1 reaver against a 3 base hydra bust. Work on it Kal - you're better than this.
On December 19 2011 23:47 Kipsate wrote: SKT probably but you never know, Lee Seung Eun fighting! Also, I think Kal can play, he will show his true Goejilla today and own someone with reavers.
Preferabbly 2sair reaver against Soo or S2, but Ill take anything.
That was a good call. Too bad he got Hyuked. Anyone look at the results and feel like this is out of PL '08. Its been so long since a Hyuk/Fantasy/Bisu win that it makes me feel so good! GJ SKT!!! Bisu fighting!
Not pleased with the results tonight. Great needs to win eventually, but seemingly is being sacrificed to the BW gods. He was sent to die against Flash, Bisu, and ZvZ sniper Modesty. And Kal loses his debut game. Worst game of the season so far.
On December 21 2011 08:07 Crisium wrote: Not pleased with the results tonight. Great needs to win eventually, but seemingly is being sacrificed to the BW gods. He was sent to die against Flash, Bisu, and ZvZ sniper Modesty. And Kal loses his debut game. Worst game of the season so far.
Bearing in mind oov's TvZ run is often cited as the ultimate example of dominance it's pretty insane to think any Protoss could one day get the same vZ ELO peak as one of the all time great TvZ players. Just look at where the next Protoss is in all time vZ ELO peak. Bisu is truly one of the most unique players ever.
On December 21 2011 11:47 Thorin wrote: Bearing in mind oov's TvZ run is often cited as the ultimate example of dominance it's pretty insane to think any Protoss could one day get the same vZ ELO peak as one of the all time great TvZ players. Just look at where the next Protoss is in all time vZ ELO peak. Bisu is truly one of the most unique players ever.
True, but keep in mind that Jaedong's ZvZ (!!!!) peak is even higher...
The worst thing about being on holiday is trying to find a PC for my BW fix! Glad to see the boys getting back on the winning side of things.
Fanta continues his good form since being given his opportunity, and it's nice to see the Captain getting a televised win. Wouldn't have done Bisu any harm to get some confidence back either.
Both halves of this season are going to be interesting methinks. With so many strong teams now it's going to make for a nail-biting few months.
On December 20 2011 16:54 konadora wrote: that wasn't fantasy gg timing
fantasy gg timing would be losing main and all expos except 12 o clock, and as bisu proceeds to destroy it, great, who somehow saved up 1k minerals starts expanding at 3 different areas while holding each off with 2-3 lurkers. bisu army proceeds to take down one by one, cancelling each hatch before destruction and rebuilding another hatch elsewhere. supply difference is now 150, great has 17 supply, but refusing to surrender. he starts harassing with 3 zergling at an undefended expansion and takes down a couple of probes before being beamed to death by them. with only 3 lurkers against 15 carriers and 5 scouts, great watches as his last hatchery goes down to 50 hp before typing out gg and being eliminated, but not before doing a spin with that drone that was building that last hatchery
You should give him some obs too.... and a arbiter takes care of the carriers
(hum, do you guys know a game where arbs and carriers appear? I can imagine its way too expansive, but it would be funny :D)
i think bisu vs jaedong on andromeda? stork vs ggplay?
Bisu used Arbiter and Carrier vs Zerg... against Jaedong? Thats pretty baller!!! vods?
Watched Bisu vs JD but there was no arbiter, but it was a really sick/strange game, was wondering all the time why this strat worked by Bisu and at the same time I was impressed by the army and his shuttle/reaver control, looked better than nowadays ^^
On December 21 2011 10:36 disciple wrote: Bisu vZ peak = oov vZ peak... I like how absurd this sounds
Did Bisu just tie oov's vZ peak?
his vT is just 4 points away from tying with stork's vT and 5 points away from jangbi's, and yet IMO their PvT is still stronger than bisu's...
Bisu haven't faced toughest competion
Multiple wins last year against Flash, Baby, Hiya, Skyhigh, Bogus, Sea, Really, Reality, FBH, Iris, ForGG, Mind, Leta.
I am not sure what else you want.
Stork/Jangbi have had highly dominant PvT streaks or prominent OSL runs. Bisu consistently dismantled every Terran in the league (other than Flash) for close to a year, and that run is still going.
I would say it's a very suitable measure of consistency. Even if you are someone like Bisu who tends to beat up on weaker players in PL and then flunk out of individual leagues... he did it last year with a never before seen consistency. Going 24-4 (give or take some...) in PvZ during a time when most P were struggling to hit 50% and even great players were losing to lesser players to things like hydra busts, Bisu was insanely consistent.
It may almost sound a bit cynical but Bisus results are actually really impressive due to the fact he has had horrible individual league runs for years. Most Progamers predominantly care about PL and/or choke in SL so his results are all the more meaningful, especially playing in so many ace matches.
On December 20 2011 16:54 konadora wrote: that wasn't fantasy gg timing
fantasy gg timing would be losing main and all expos except 12 o clock, and as bisu proceeds to destroy it, great, who somehow saved up 1k minerals starts expanding at 3 different areas while holding each off with 2-3 lurkers. bisu army proceeds to take down one by one, cancelling each hatch before destruction and rebuilding another hatch elsewhere. supply difference is now 150, great has 17 supply, but refusing to surrender. he starts harassing with 3 zergling at an undefended expansion and takes down a couple of probes before being beamed to death by them. with only 3 lurkers against 15 carriers and 5 scouts, great watches as his last hatchery goes down to 50 hp before typing out gg and being eliminated, but not before doing a spin with that drone that was building that last hatchery
You should give him some obs too.... and a arbiter takes care of the carriers
(hum, do you guys know a game where arbs and carriers appear? I can imagine its way too expansive, but it would be funny :D)
i think bisu vs jaedong on andromeda? stork vs ggplay?
Bisu used Arbiter and Carrier vs Zerg... against Jaedong? Thats pretty baller!!! vods?
Watched Bisu vs JD but there was no arbiter, but it was a really sick/strange game, was wondering all the time why this strat worked by Bisu and at the same time I was impressed by the army and his shuttle/reaver control, looked better than nowadays ^^
I just skipped around in Stork vs GGplay and that really has both. so if you have 1:30h time you can go watch that ^^
On December 23 2011 00:36 ZBiR wrote: Also consistent at losing in prelims, but these obviously not count, since it would hurt our precious Bisu's elo.
My aren't we sarcastic to boot.
Park is like a fierce jealous wife, just look at how he cracked down on Bisu when he was joking around with Hyungjoon, he would eat Bisu alive if he didn't dedicate himself 100% to the team when he asks him to. Maybe on another team he would fare better in individual leagues, Park reportedly isn't a big fan of them and we have to rely on Bisu so often.
On December 21 2011 10:36 disciple wrote: Bisu vZ peak = oov vZ peak... I like how absurd this sounds
Did Bisu just tie oov's vZ peak?
his vT is just 4 points away from tying with stork's vT and 5 points away from jangbi's, and yet IMO their PvT is still stronger than bisu's...
Bisu haven't faced toughest competion
Multiple wins last year against Flash, Baby, Hiya, Skyhigh, Bogus, Sea, Really, Reality, FBH, Iris, ForGG, Mind, Leta.
I am not sure what else you want.
Stork/Jangbi have had highly dominant PvT streaks or prominent OSL runs. Bisu consistently dismantled every Terran in the league (other than Flash) for close to a year, and that run is still going.
skyhigh, really, reality, forgg and mind you can scratch off that list.
And bisu was 1-3 vs flash last year so not sure if you should count that, though I didn't mean vT specifically, take this year for instance, the best players he has beat is Action and Jaehoon, and then in spring last year the best players he beat was Jaedong and Baby (who he beat convincingly)... but after that the names I give him most credit for beating is Action (doesn't allways count as he beats himself often), Bogus, Classic and Hiya (maybe tyson.. idk).
Not saying it isn't being impressive being as retardedly consistent as he has been, I'm just saying that he hasn't exactly filled his opponents with THAT many A class and borderline S class players that he beat.
Bisu wins his PvT's nicely but somehow I feel like its missing something, Bisu's early game is good enough to put his opponent behind I think and he is able to pull wins from there. But somehow I feel like its not as inspiring as Stork or Jangbi breaking tank lines and stuff
but I am biased so w/e.
Also he hasn't (logically) faced Fantasy in a while now, and I think Fantasy WOULD destroy Bisu.
On December 21 2011 10:36 disciple wrote: Bisu vZ peak = oov vZ peak... I like how absurd this sounds
Did Bisu just tie oov's vZ peak?
his vT is just 4 points away from tying with stork's vT and 5 points away from jangbi's, and yet IMO their PvT is still stronger than bisu's...
Bisu haven't faced toughest competion
Do you know how ELO works? It's already included a level of competition that player have faced. You will receive shittons of points for beating Flash, but far less for beating Canata.
On December 21 2011 10:36 disciple wrote: Bisu vZ peak = oov vZ peak... I like how absurd this sounds
Did Bisu just tie oov's vZ peak?
his vT is just 4 points away from tying with stork's vT and 5 points away from jangbi's, and yet IMO their PvT is still stronger than bisu's...
Bisu haven't faced toughest competion
Do you know how ELO works? It's already included a level of competition that player have faced. You will receive shittons of points for beating Flash, but far less for beating Canata.
Is it Overall ELO or Proleague 2011-12 season ELO?
On December 21 2011 10:36 disciple wrote: Bisu vZ peak = oov vZ peak... I like how absurd this sounds
Did Bisu just tie oov's vZ peak?
his vT is just 4 points away from tying with stork's vT and 5 points away from jangbi's, and yet IMO their PvT is still stronger than bisu's...
Bisu haven't faced toughest competion
Do you know how ELO works? It's already included a level of competition that player have faced. You will receive shittons of points for beating Flash, but far less for beating Canata.
I do, I also know that as long as you keep winning you will get high elo (doesn't matter how bad opponents, all will give him a little). And watch his matchhistory, as dominant as bisu looked he has NOT faced an abundances of A/S class players
On December 21 2011 10:36 disciple wrote: Bisu vZ peak = oov vZ peak... I like how absurd this sounds
Did Bisu just tie oov's vZ peak?
his vT is just 4 points away from tying with stork's vT and 5 points away from jangbi's, and yet IMO their PvT is still stronger than bisu's...
Bisu haven't faced toughest competion
Do you know how ELO works? It's already included a level of competition that player have faced. You will receive shittons of points for beating Flash, but far less for beating Canata.
Is it Overall ELO or Proleague 2011-12 season ELO?
On December 21 2011 10:36 disciple wrote: Bisu vZ peak = oov vZ peak... I like how absurd this sounds
Did Bisu just tie oov's vZ peak?
his vT is just 4 points away from tying with stork's vT and 5 points away from jangbi's, and yet IMO their PvT is still stronger than bisu's...
Bisu haven't faced toughest competion
Do you know how ELO works? It's already included a level of competition that player have faced. You will receive shittons of points for beating Flash, but far less for beating Canata.
I do, I also know that as long as you keep winning you will get high elo (doesn't matter how bad opponents, all will give him a little). And watch his matchhistory, as dominant as bisu looked he has NOT faced an abundances of A/S class players
Obviously if you keep winning you will get high rating, because you keep winning, duh. Simplified mathematical stuff goes like this: you can win 1 strong opponent or 2 lesser opponents to receive same amount of points, which is probabilistically same achievement.
And now breaking news: nobody gets to play only S-class players. Look at Flash's 2010 - he get where he was by constantly pwning newbs, and occasionally winning against good players. I mean he was facing MVP and Pure in semi-finals once.
On December 21 2011 10:36 disciple wrote: Bisu vZ peak = oov vZ peak... I like how absurd this sounds
Did Bisu just tie oov's vZ peak?
his vT is just 4 points away from tying with stork's vT and 5 points away from jangbi's, and yet IMO their PvT is still stronger than bisu's...
Bisu haven't faced toughest competion
Do you know how ELO works? It's already included a level of competition that player have faced. You will receive shittons of points for beating Flash, but far less for beating Canata.
I do, I also know that as long as you keep winning you will get high elo (doesn't matter how bad opponents, all will give him a little). And watch his matchhistory, as dominant as bisu looked he has NOT faced an abundances of A/S class players
Obviously if you keep winning you will get high rating, because you keep winning, duh. Simplified mathematical stuff goes like this: you can win 1 strong opponent or 2 lesser opponents to receive same amount of points, which is probabilistically same achievement.
And now breaking news: nobody gets to play only S-class players. Look at Flash's 2010 - he get where he was by constantly pwning newbs, and occasionally winning against good players. I mean he was facing MVP and Pure in semi-finals once.
What's your point? like most everything in statistics, do not use only one statistic to make conclusions. ELO mitigates the problem of win points alone, but you still have to keep in mind that playing against weaker players will of course keep your ELO higher than it maybe should.
Now, you should keep in mind the quality of other players when looking at ELO. Jaedong beating flash bisu zero and flash beating roro hoejja great, people wold say jaedong is the better player even if they had the same ELO.
And at the end, it's mostly subjective anyway, who you like and stuff (GO FREE!!!).
On December 23 2011 05:26 Gescom wrote: People give Bisu the stink for poor individual league performance, forgetting that he has more individual league golds than any other Protoss.
well Bisu is just inconsistent, but when he's good he's really good, nothing to say against constant silvers though (♥Stork)
On December 21 2011 10:36 disciple wrote: Bisu vZ peak = oov vZ peak... I like how absurd this sounds
Did Bisu just tie oov's vZ peak?
his vT is just 4 points away from tying with stork's vT and 5 points away from jangbi's, and yet IMO their PvT is still stronger than bisu's...
Bisu haven't faced toughest competion
Do you know how ELO works? It's already included a level of competition that player have faced. You will receive shittons of points for beating Flash, but far less for beating Canata.
I do, I also know that as long as you keep winning you will get high elo (doesn't matter how bad opponents, all will give him a little). And watch his matchhistory, as dominant as bisu looked he has NOT faced an abundances of A/S class players
Obviously if you keep winning you will get high rating, because you keep winning, duh. Simplified mathematical stuff goes like this: you can win 1 strong opponent or 2 lesser opponents to receive same amount of points, which is probabilistically same achievement.
And now breaking news: nobody gets to play only S-class players. Look at Flash's 2010 - he get where he was by constantly pwning newbs, and occasionally winning against good players. I mean he was facing MVP and Pure in semi-finals once.
What's your point? like most everything in statistics, do not use only one statistic to make conclusions. ELO mitigates the problem of win points alone, but you still have to keep in mind that playing against weaker players will of course keep your ELO higher than it maybe should.
Now, you should keep in mind the quality of other players when looking at ELO. Jaedong beating flash bisu zero and flash beating roro hoejja great, people wold say jaedong is the better player even if they had the same ELO.
And at the end, it's mostly subjective anyway, who you like and stuff (GO FREE!!!).
People should keep that in mind more, that's why i always get a good chuckle out of the PR, whereas others get themselves banned over it haha
On December 21 2011 10:36 disciple wrote: Bisu vZ peak = oov vZ peak... I like how absurd this sounds
Did Bisu just tie oov's vZ peak?
his vT is just 4 points away from tying with stork's vT and 5 points away from jangbi's, and yet IMO their PvT is still stronger than bisu's...
Bisu haven't faced toughest competion
Do you know how ELO works? It's already included a level of competition that player have faced. You will receive shittons of points for beating Flash, but far less for beating Canata.
I do, I also know that as long as you keep winning you will get high elo (doesn't matter how bad opponents, all will give him a little). And watch his matchhistory, as dominant as bisu looked he has NOT faced an abundances of A/S class players
Obviously if you keep winning you will get high rating, because you keep winning, duh. Simplified mathematical stuff goes like this: you can win 1 strong opponent or 2 lesser opponents to receive same amount of points, which is probabilistically same achievement.
And now breaking news: nobody gets to play only S-class players. Look at Flash's 2010 - he get where he was by constantly pwning newbs, and occasionally winning against good players. I mean he was facing MVP and Pure in semi-finals once.
Beating Canata 5 times on maps chosen by you is better elo-wise than going 2-1 vs Flash. Go figure.
Also, if Bisu magically got to the OSL final and went 3-2 vs Fantasy, he would lose elo points. Luckily, whent you lose to noobs in the prelims you don't lose elo, so he can be called "the best elo-wise". Thanks to losing early enough. That's ridiculous. You can't be sane and deny that.
On December 23 2011 05:26 Gescom wrote: People give Bisu the stink for poor individual league performance, forgetting that he has more individual league golds than any other Protoss.
Nobody says he wasn't the current best protoss ever in his life, it's just that it was years ago.
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