Oh MAN. Do you feel that? It's the tingy tingle of a surge of nerdchills just over the horizon, like the anticipation of a nerdy dawn. It is time to get down and dirty, in the Kaal ISL Round of 16. Are you hyped yet? ARE YOU HYPED YET? Seriously...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7oB_No-VEc
If you missed any of the Round of 32 action, the VODs have already been uploaded. Hop over to the Liquipedia Article to find them (shoutout to Hyde!) or find them in Sayle's post here to find them spoiler-free. Personal recommendations? One of the more impressive feats was seeing notorious 5-pooler Plumbum play an epic long macro game on Icarus versus dsaqwe, in which he sported both excellent unit control as well as pretty good macro. For those Hive-minded ZvZ-lovers you should check out Kolll vs Castro on Tau Cross. Bakuryu vs GoTunk was an impressive series as well, and Sneazel gave A- trutaCz a run for his money. Check out their game on Match Point.
Recap There be spoilers here...
The Round of 32 had it's fair share of upsets and notable drop outs. We say goodbye to Boy Wonder Kolll, who went down to Castro 2-3. Australia's hope GoD couldn't get past Michael, and his fellow TL streamer Shauni had to forfeit his match due to illness. On the bright side, relative unknown Plumbum advances as well as Random player Kashu.
Drama
Before I get to the actual Round of 16, there are some things to clear up concerning the advancing players. I'll best leave this to Game.
About Bibiane vs Terranboy Bibiane vs TerranBoy was decided when Bibiane beat TerranBoy 3-2 in the 5th match. However, Bibiane broke a rule and used the same map twice. Given that it's the first time in this starleague that the rule has been broken, there was some leniency. I told Bibiane if he could hunt down TerranBoy within 24 hours of our conversation, and get him to agree to re-play the 5th match + provide proof, then that could decide the match. Indeed they did re-play, and Bibiane again won, therefore Bibiane will advance.
About Ruarc Ruarc? Everyone wonders why Ruarc was so good. Me too, actually. Yet, in such a short period, he gained major fanship. I'm pretty sure a few people can guess who was playing on that name. He's a Terran, he's named after a Terran function. Yes, that's right, TTF and AstrO got so easily demolished by none other than Scan. It seems Ruarc literally went to pick Scan up an hour away from his house to play his matches, and then brought him back when he was done. We weren't entirely sure, as he changed up some of his hotkey patterns with Zerg until some last minute replays. Those being: The replay pack Scan sold to Shade[AoV], 3 games where AstrO 3-0ed Scan the day before PvZ and told him all the build orders he was going to use, and a few other sneaky ones we got from people who were playing Scan PvZ days before. Only after those, were we able to go from 90% sure given the endless amount of replays and material we went over, to 100.1%.
Therefore, Ruarc is disqualified. TTF and AstrO will be playing a Best of 5 for the Round of 32 spot Wednesday at 20CET, and that match will decide who goes into the Round of 16.
P.S this was the third time Scan was banned from this league. First as a general ban for cheating. Second as a ladder player who played within the last few days. Third, for this. I guess it's best to question why Scan was banned initially, given his cheating past, and cheating in every major tournament and starleague.
Round of 16 by Game
Video by Dan1870220133262
Sziky <> AstrO Given the drama, Sziky vs the winner of TTF/AstrO is spotlighted. It is the best matchup of both players that are facing Sziky, and his weakest, which might prove to be a closer-than-should-be series. () andrey <> Pro7ecT Between andrey/Pro7ecT, hopefully they can give us as exciting of a TvT as last round between andrey and SzajnA.
Michael <> SneazeL I think everyone wants to see Michael and SneazeL go head to head, so there isn't much reason to hype it lol.
Pike <> SouthPark Pike and SouthPark, two of the strongest Polish Zergs duking it out in a favorable matchup for both... I can't wait :D.
Bakuryu <> CastrO The odds are heavy for CastrO to win it despite Bakuryu being such an amazing player. With CastrO eliminating Kolll, whom has eliminated Bakuryu ZvZ in many tournaments, the favor goes to him.
Ace <> PatrrrOn While Ace normally should dominate PatrrrOn, it's his best and only matchup really. A match made in heaven. (Ace hasn't had to play a game yet, this will be our first chance to see what the Sniper Zerg is up to! ed.)
Bibiane <> Plumbum Bibiane is best in TvZ, and we haven't seen Plumbum's ZvT (except 5pooling Terror lol, ed.), but overnight has become a fan favorite and I know for a fact that people want to see more of his shockingly good play.
Jumper <> Kashu Then the last match, King DT versus The Comeback Kid. I have no thoughts on this one, I just know I want to see it. I think Kashu is favored in it, but Jumper has impressed me lately... so yeah I just want to see it.
A noteable point is that from the top 12, 9 of the 12 are still in the Round of 16. Whereas only one was eliminated properly, being trutaCz, by another top 12 ladder player. DeSka got W.Oed out, and Ruarc was disqualified.
Also notable: in the Round of 16 we find 8 , 4 , 2 and 1 (with one more or added through TTF vs Astro). Among the players, we find 3 Hungarians, 3 Americans, 2 Russians, 3 Poles, 1 German, 1 Peruvian, 1 Chilean and 1 Canadian. Though a bit heavy on the Zerg side of things, a fine mixture overall ^^
Need more hype? Scoot over to Hacklebeast's interviews to get to know some of these players a bit better!
Ro8// Best of 5 // 3 Set Maps Start: HBR, Neo Aztec, Wuthering Heights Pick from: Longinus 2, Neo Beltway, Fighting Spirit
Semis // Best of 7 // 3 Set Maps Start: Fighting Spirit, Longinus 2, Neo Beltway Pick from: Rush Hour III, Wuthering Heights, La Mancha, Sin Peaks of Baekdu, Destination 1.1
Finals // Best of 7 // 3 Set Maps Start: Destination 1.1, Rush Hour III, Colosseum II Pick from: Sin Peaks of Baekdu, La Mancha, Othello, Tau Cross 1.1, Blue Storm, Holy World SE, Icarus, Neo Beltway
The games will start on September 17th at 19:00 CET (18:00 GMT (+00:00) local time). Games will be played on the Fish server, rendez-vous channel is OP ISL2
The absolute and most important rule is that LRM)Game holds full discretion over ISL2 decisions and procedures.
You must use chaoslauncher for 1.16.1 or MiniLauncher for every group stage and tournament game on Fish server.
No smurf accounts. Your account must be played with your known ID in it. If you are found out to be smurfing, you will be disqualified and no further participation in the tournament will be allowed. If you are worried about which ID you should use, PM LRM)Game at account Game on teamliquid.net. If you feel that not smurfing gives you an unfair disadvantage, you must appeal to LRM)Game at account Game on teamliquid.net. We will then give you a predetermined smurf name. Failure to comply will lead to disqualification.
All names must begin with ISL2. Ex: ISL2-Kaalveiten ISL2_NoOne [ISL2]Sayle.
If you want to make a new name, you must inform us.
In order for previous hackers or abusers to play in ISL2, they will need to provide certain things to LRM)Game or Hakurei[AoV] which will be handled on a case to case basis. All discretion for this is held by the ISL2 Counter Abuse Team.
No hacking or abusing. This is very very basic. No multiple or shared accounts. No letting other players on your accounts. No taking free wins from friends. No selling wins. No playing against your own account. If suspected of abuse, failure to comply with ISL2 staff will result in a disqualification from the tournament.
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All games must be played on /dnd mode. You cannot use the same map twice.
Anything a referee tells you during the proceedings of the matches goes; be very attentive to the rules they announce per week. Additionally, rules might have slight alterations throughout the entirety of the tournament.
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haha how interesting the update, now i get to possibly see astro, and for sure see bibiane, good luck to both! I hope to see them PvsT in this tournament. Would be nice.
I want to say thanks for everybody who encourages me nowadays. Especially thanks for Sayle who making these amazing casts, i played in this style all time in the past, but it wasn't in the centre earlier, like now.
I hope we can play enjoyable games with jumper and the better will go to top8
lol. LOL. Me sooooooooo newbie. For some reason i was thinking that Scan = JoeKim. Just today got that they are two diffirent ppl. LOL. So i would like say sorry to JoeKim for that messages about sunglasses. LOL. looks like i am forella. And also i would like to say that Scan is gay.
On September 14 2011 23:46 Sneazel wrote: if i understand, JoeKim wanted to gain 'free money' by betting on Ruarc on high odds? high odds = high money?
he said like: "AstrO > RuarC ** I'll bet on Ruarc at 1:3 odds"
smbd can explain it for me or i'm wrong?
THIS.
We might have a match fixing scandal right here. Sounds like something Joekim would do.
On September 14 2011 23:46 Sneazel wrote: if i understand, JoeKim wanted to gain 'free money' by betting on Ruarc on high odds? high odds = high money?
he said like: "AstrO > RuarC ** I'll bet on Ruarc at 1:3 odds"
smbd can explain it for me or i'm wrong?
gold words. this is really interestings,looks like koreans like match fixing
*I am looking forward to watching Kashu play. He is like a modern day Testie. However, Jumper seemed very likeable in his interview. *PatrrrOn vs. Ace will be epic, but I also think sas.Ace is rather unbeatable. *Sziky vs. AstrO will be epic. I think beastly Astro has a fighting chance in this matchup, but Sziky is rather unbeatable imho. *Michael vs. Sneazel. The #1 ladder rank of ISL2 vs. a beastly Protoss will be epic. * Don't know enough about either players, but Pike vs. SouthPark will be epic. Both players are good ZvZ kekekeke. *The last samurai of LRM), LRM)Bakuryu v CastrO will be epic. Castro's ZvZ vs. Kolll looked rather unbeatable.
On September 15 2011 02:14 IslandMapBonjwa wrote: *I am looking forward to watching Kashu play. He is like a modern day Testie. However, Jumper seemed very likeable in his interview. *PatrrrOn vs. Ace will be epic, but I also think sas.Ace is rather unbeatable. *Sziky vs. AstrO will be epic. I think beastly Astro has a fighting chance in this matchup, but Sziky is rather unbeatable imho. *Michael vs. Sneazel. The #1 ladder rank of ISL2 vs. a beastly Protoss will be epic. * Don't know enough about either players, but Pike vs. SouthPark will be epic. Both players are good ZvZ kekekeke. *The last samurai of LRM), LRM)Bakuryu v CastrO will be epic. Castro's ZvZ vs. Kolll looked rather unbeatable.
thank you! i will do my best, unfortunately i m gonna face against my teammate sas.UltrA.
On September 15 2011 12:00 IslandMapBonjwa wrote: It would be funny if Patron didn't show up vs. sas.Ace; which would make sas.Ace get into the ro8 without winning a match haha.
Which would make me cry.
P.S Now all of the Round of 32 games have been casted and will soon be uploaded to the Kaal's ISL YouTube.
On September 15 2011 12:00 IslandMapBonjwa wrote: It would be funny if Patron didn't show up vs. sas.Ace; which would make sas.Ace get into the ro8 without winning a match haha.
Which would make me cry.
P.S Now all of the Round of 32 games have been casted and will soon be uploaded to the Kaal's ISL YouTube.
On September 15 2011 15:59 ninini wrote: How come Scan weren't allowed to play, if someone who lives 1 hour away from him were?
Dude, Scan's been caught cheating so many times. Honestly hope you're trolling.
If Scan had been allowed to play in ISL2, he would have had no reason to hide behind a fake id and cheat this time. I'd like to know the reason why Scan was banned from ISL2 in the first place.
I'm not saying it was wrong to not let Scan participate in ISL2, because I don't have all the info, but that's exactly why I want to know the reasons why he wasn't included, since what I can remember it was because he had moved back to Korea, which clearly isn't true if he lives 1 hour away from an american player.
On September 15 2011 15:59 ninini wrote: How come Scan weren't allowed to play, if someone who lives 1 hour away from him were?
Dude, Scan's been caught cheating so many times. Honestly hope you're trolling.
If Scan had been allowed to play in ISL2, he would have had no reason to hide behind a fake id and cheat this time. I'd like to know the reason why Scan was banned from ISL2 in the first place.
I'm not saying it was wrong to not let Scan participate in ISL2, because I don't have all the info, but that's exactly why I want to know the reasons why he wasn't included, since what I can remember it was because he had moved back to Korea, which clearly isn't true if he lives 1 hour away from an american player.
I'm really hoping the same thing, Eywa. ninini, if you're really diehard about why Scan was banned for previous cheating in every major tournament he's participated in, it's well documented and can be easily found. Have fun with your research.
Edit: Okay, I re-read your post... "If Scan had been allowed to play in ISL2, he would have had no reason to hide behind a fake id and cheat this time." Scan cheats no matter if he's allowed to play in something or not, proven fact. Clearly you know this by pointing out that it was "this time".
On September 15 2011 15:59 ninini wrote: How come Scan weren't allowed to play, if someone who lives 1 hour away from him were?
Dude, Scan's been caught cheating so many times. Honestly hope you're trolling.
If Scan had been allowed to play in ISL2, he would have had no reason to hide behind a fake id and cheat this time. I'd like to know the reason why Scan was banned from ISL2 in the first place.
I'm not saying it was wrong to not let Scan participate in ISL2, because I don't have all the info, but that's exactly why I want to know the reasons why he wasn't included, since what I can remember it was because he had moved back to Korea, which clearly isn't true if he lives 1 hour away from an american player.
I'm really hoping the same thing, Eywa. ninini, if you're really diehard about why Scan was banned for previous cheating in every major tournament he's participated in, it's well documented and can be easily found. Have fun with your research.
Edit: Okay, I re-read your post... "If Scan had been allowed to play in ISL2, he would have had no reason to hide behind a fake id and cheat this time." Scan cheats no matter if he's allowed to play in something or not, proven fact. Clearly you know this by pointing out that it was "this time".
Well, what did Scan do between ISL1 and ISL2 that justified a ban from your tournaments? It's a really simple question.
Well, what did Scan do between ISL1 and ISL2 that justified a ban from your tournaments? It's a really simple question.
Simple answer as well,as you can read in previous posts he CHEATED.Just scroll your mouse up and see what Game wrote.
The first occasion was before ISL1. The second one, I don't know, and it's very unclear what he actually did. And the third occasion would have never happened if he had been included in the first place. Instead of just calling him a cheater, you can educate me on what he actually did, because clearly there's 2 ppl here other than Game who knows enough about Scan's history as a cheater to decide that he didn't deserve to play in ISL2.
And you think this isn't enough already? Considering he cheated once again, and you really believe he wouldn't have done it otherwise? All that this shows is that he is a cheater and he even takes the burden of 2hours on a car to do the cheating, so I really don't see your point in the first place. Leave the scum out of the esports and move past it, stop being a fanboy.
On September 15 2011 21:56 LML wrote: And you think this isn't enough already? Considering he cheated once again, and you really believe he wouldn't have done it otherwise? All that this shows is that he is a cheater and he even takes the burden of 2hours on a car to do the cheating, so I really don't see your point in the first place. Leave the scum out of the esports and move past it, stop being a fanboy.
sorry but,.whats scan do on isl1 ? maybe win and show more skill than others ? -_-;;
On September 15 2011 21:56 LML wrote: And you think this isn't enough already? Considering he cheated once again, and you really believe he wouldn't have done it otherwise? All that this shows is that he is a cheater and he even takes the burden of 2hours on a car to do the cheating, so I really don't see your point in the first place. Leave the scum out of the esports and move past it, stop being a fanboy.
I'm just asking why Scan was banned from ISL2. Does that make me a fanboy?
If we assume that Scan didn't do anything wrong between ISL1 and ISL2, then anyone who were in his shoes would feel cheated when they realized that they couldn't participate in ISL2. What happened before ISL1 clearly didn't prevent him from participating in that tournament.
What I'm asking is for someone to prove this assumption to be false. Did Scan do something inbetween the tournaments that justified the ban? If that's the case, then I'll accept that, but clearly noone seems to know the answer.
On September 15 2011 21:56 LML wrote: And you think this isn't enough already? Considering he cheated once again, and you really believe he wouldn't have done it otherwise? All that this shows is that he is a cheater and he even takes the burden of 2hours on a car to do the cheating, so I really don't see your point in the first place. Leave the scum out of the esports and move past it, stop being a fanboy.
I'm just asking why Scan was banned from ISL2. Does that make me a fanboy?
If we assume that Scan didn't do anything wrong between ISL1 and ISL2, then anyone who were in his shoes would feel cheated when they realized that they couldn't participate in ISL2. What happened before ISL1 clearly didn't prevent him from participating in that tournament.
What I'm asking is for someone to prove this assumption to be false. Did Scan do something inbetween the tournaments that justified the ban? If that's the case, then I'll accept that, but clearly noone seems to know the answer.
Game :
P.S this was the third time Scan was banned from this league. First as a general ban for cheating. Second as a ladder player who played within the last few days. Third, for this. I guess it's best to question why Scan was banned initially, given his cheating past, and cheating in every major tournament and starleague.
P.S this was the third time Scan was banned from this league. First as a general ban for cheating. Second as a ladder player who played within the last few days. Third, for this. I guess it's best to question why Scan was banned initially, given his cheating past, and cheating in every major tournament and starleague.
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dae find this hard to understand? It is a syntax disaster and makes no sense.
P.S this was the third time Scan was banned from this league. First as a general ban for cheating. Second as a ladder player who played within the last few days. Third, for this. I guess it's best to question why Scan was banned initially, given his cheating past, and cheating in every major tournament and starleague.
dae find this hard to understand? It is a syntax disaster and makes no sense.
Not sure what your first word is supposed to be, but I'm sure it wouldn't have changed my points. This was written to Pholon as a personal message, hence the lack of grammar and general diction you need present when making a public statement. Pholon was pressed for time in writing this article and therefore just copied and pasted it.
"P.S" The third part is actually rage/satire about people like ninini, since his fans constantly question his cheating without logic.
First of all, Scan plays in Korean flag. From what I know, all players with Korean flag, regardless of where you live, are not allowed to play in ISL. Scan has used korean flags alot and everyone knows it, and if he is to play, real Koreans (I don't consider cheaters Korean, like Joekim did for stream watching vs Cute) will complain.
IF 'Koreans' weren't allowed to play, then people like Bibiane, God or Michael wouldn't be allowed to play either, but they play in their respective geological location flags that are Canada, USA and Australia.
Also, once a cheater forever a cheater. Also, i thought ruarc was laddered by joekim no?
I wish to see a clean and mannerly ro16, but no worries because all the players left now are great skilled and respectable players. my money on Astro or Michael, gl boys!
P.S this was the third time Scan was banned from this league. First as a general ban for cheating. Second as a ladder player who played within the last few days. Third, for this. I guess it's best to question why Scan was banned initially, given his cheating past, and cheating in every major tournament and starleague.
The first offense wasn't enough to prevent him from participating in ISL1, and the third offense happened as a reaction to and after he was banned from ISL2, so can someone please explain exactly what Game meant with the second offense, what Scan did and when it happened? It seems noone really knows, which is strange since so many here are so vocal about why he shouldn't be allowed to play.
Well, what did Scan do between ISL1 and ISL2 that justified a ban from your tournaments? It's a really simple question.
Simple answer as well,as you can read in previous posts he CHEATED.Just scroll your mouse up and see what Game wrote.
The first occasion was before ISL1. The second one, I don't know, and it's very unclear what he actually did. And the third occasion would have never happened if he had been included in the first place. Instead of just calling him a cheater, you can educate me on what he actually did, because clearly there's 2 ppl here other than Game who knows enough about Scan's history as a cheater to decide that he didn't deserve to play in ISL2.
If you can recall 3 separate events where Scan cheated and you're still asking the question... People don't change overnight.
ExceeD_DreaM it was about korean IPs, the flag doesn't matter, just because you have a flag from a different country from your country doesn't always mean you are from that country, like in this case.
And was it actually proven that JoeKim watched the stream? I never read anything about that.
Yes, mannered and well played matches is what I am looking for aswell, gogo!
P.S this was the third time Scan was banned from this league. First as a general ban for cheating. Second as a ladder player who played within the last few days. Third, for this. I guess it's best to question why Scan was banned initially, given his cheating past, and cheating in every major tournament and starleague.
The first offense wasn't enough to prevent him from participating in ISL1, and the third offense happened as a reaction to and after he was banned from ISL2, so can someone please explain exactly what Game meant with the second offense, what Scan did and when it happened? It seems noone really knows, which is strange since so many here are so vocal about why he shouldn't be allowed to play.
Alright, you keep changing your question, hence you are a troll. But troll, I will feed you. First off, and most importantly: This thread is not about Scan, it's the Round of 16 thread, so please stop it. Second off: He tried to smurf into the ladder 3 days before its end and make an entire identity for himself as "Richard Garey". I won't reveal his smurf name because it's unimportant, but he went 28-4 and tried to qualify low, expecting me not to scrutinize my counter abuse of the lower players. This could have been intel he received from my staff, because in fact, I said that exact thing to all but two people. "We'll only really check hardcore 1-80 or so"
But in reality, I personally was watching the main players and the lower ranks with a hawk eye with the help of two other CAT members.
P.S Not all of the CAT team is listed.
Edit: P.S.S This is the last time I will reply to you in this thread.
Alright, you keep changing your question, hence you are a troll.
I've asked the exact same question every single time, so don't give me that.
On September 16 2011 04:50 Game wrote: Second off: He tried to smurf into the ladder 3 days before its end and make an entire identity for himself as "Richard Garey". I won't reveal his smurf name because it's unimportant, but he went 28-4 and tried to qualify low, expecting me not to scrutinize my counter abuse of the lower players. This could have been intel he received from my staff, because in fact, I said that exact thing to all but two people. "We'll only really check hardcore 1-80 or so"
Thanks for the straight answer, finally. Was that for a second account in the ISL1 ladder or was it for ISL2? If it was for ISL1, then I agree with disqualifying him for ISL2, although then logically you shouldn't have let him participate in ISL1 either. So was it ISL1 or ISL2?
On September 16 2011 04:50 Game wrote: Second off: He tried to smurf into the ladder 3 days before its end and make an entire identity for himself as "Richard Garey". I won't reveal his smurf name because it's unimportant, but he went 28-4 and tried to qualify low, expecting me not to scrutinize my counter abuse of the lower players. This could have been intel he received from my staff, because in fact, I said that exact thing to all but two people. "We'll only really check hardcore 1-80 or so"
Thanks for the straight answer, finally. Was that for a second account in the ISL1 ladder or was it for ISL2? If it was for ISL1, then I agree with disqualifying him for ISL2, although then logically you shouldn't have let him participate in ISL1 either. So was it ISL1 or ISL2?
r u for rela? He just anserwed your question and you still ask him. He tried to smurf into ISL2. He got banned. He wasn't allowed to play ISL2 since he is full of shit cheater. End of story.
On topic I'll say it's unfortunate Pike has to play vs SouthPark but oh well. CastrO vs Bakuryu will be sick. Kashu games impressed me whole lot, I hope this guy will advance deeper.
Just chiming in my support for ninini and his valid unanswered question as to why Scan was allowed to participate in ISL1 and not allowed to participate in ISL2 with no offense done in between the two leagues.
That said, I hope to see awesome games and trickery this week.
On September 16 2011 09:39 andreyyisbestandrey wrote: That said, I hope to see awesome games and trickery this week.
from you? nuke rush please
p.s. just adding to the fire, isnt scan a t player? if his z had gotten terribly beat by astro in practice games, how did ruarc or scan completely annihilate astro in the ro32 games?
On September 16 2011 09:39 andreyyisbestandrey wrote: That said, I hope to see awesome games and trickery this week.
from you? nuke rush please
p.s. just adding to the fire, isnt scan a t player? if his z had gotten terribly beat by astro in practice games, how did ruarc or scan completely annihilate astro in the ro32 games?
Astro lost in the ro32 because Astro told Scan his builds when they played in practice.
On September 16 2011 09:47 LastOfADyingBreed wrote:
On September 16 2011 09:39 andreyyisbestandrey wrote: That said, I hope to see awesome games and trickery this week.
from you? nuke rush please
p.s. just adding to the fire, isnt scan a t player? if his z had gotten terribly beat by astro in practice games, how did ruarc or scan completely annihilate astro in the ro32 games?
Astro lost in the ro32 because Astro told Scan his builds when they played in practice.
On September 16 2011 10:15 andreyyisbestandrey wrote:
On September 16 2011 09:47 LastOfADyingBreed wrote:
On September 16 2011 09:39 andreyyisbestandrey wrote: That said, I hope to see awesome games and trickery this week.
from you? nuke rush please
p.s. just adding to the fire, isnt scan a t player? if his z had gotten terribly beat by astro in practice games, how did ruarc or scan completely annihilate astro in the ro32 games?
Astro lost in the ro32 because Astro told Scan his builds when they played in practice.
On September 16 2011 04:50 Game wrote: Second off: He tried to smurf into the ladder 3 days before its end and make an entire identity for himself as "Richard Garey". I won't reveal his smurf name because it's unimportant, but he went 28-4 and tried to qualify low, expecting me not to scrutinize my counter abuse of the lower players. This could have been intel he received from my staff, because in fact, I said that exact thing to all but two people. "We'll only really check hardcore 1-80 or so"
Thanks for the straight answer, finally. Was that for a second account in the ISL1 ladder or was it for ISL2? If it was for ISL1, then I agree with disqualifying him for ISL2, although then logically you shouldn't have let him participate in ISL1 either. So was it ISL1 or ISL2?
r u for rela? He just anserwed your question and you still ask him. He tried to smurf into ISL2. He got banned. He wasn't allowed to play ISL2 since he is full of shit cheater. End of story.
If Scan tried to smurf into ISL2 it puts everything in a whole different context. He was already banned from the league when he smurfed. Many ppl would do the same thing if they felt the ban wasn't justified.
Scan cheated for the first time in that TSL some time ago. Whether he should've been banned for every future tournament is not something we could all agree on, so I will not discuss that. Anyways, Game let Scan participate in ISL1. Scan won ISL1, and then, Game changed his mind about him and didn't allow him into ISL2. After that, Scan was determined to play anyway, so he tried getting in with a fake id. It didn't work and he got caught. Then he tried posing as Ruarc and got caught again.
Clearly Scan doesn't cheat in leagues which he is allowed to play in. I suggest you drop it and admit to being wrong.
Thanks for the info. I didn't know about this event in the Gambit Cup. (If anyone else didn't know about it, read the last page) And for the record, I don't care about being right. I just want the truth.
Anyway, this event occured after Scan was banned from ISL2, and I'm discussing the validity of that specific ban here, not whether Scan is a cheater. You can't justify a ban by saying "I told you so", not if the ban didn't make sense when it was made. Also, JoeKim was just as guilty as Scan on that occasion in the Gambit Cup, and he's part of the staff in this tournament.
Anyway, you guys can make your own assumptions about this.
ninini yes, maybe Game dont allow Scan to play in ISL2, because he won ISL1 so easily. He is 2 levels above us - us = all foreigners. But so many people don't want him to play on our 'foreigner' tournaments, dont you understand? If you want, you can make your own tournament with semi-pro koreans like Scan.
On September 16 2011 22:13 Sneazel wrote: ninini yes, maybe Game dont allow Scan to play in ISL2, because he won ISL1 so easily. He is 2 levels above us - us = all foreigners. But so many people don't want him to play on our 'foreigner' tournaments, dont you understand? If you want, you can make your own tournament with semi-pro koreans like Scan.
So easily = 1 game away from elimination against both Michael and Sziky? o.o
On September 17 2011 02:28 IslandMapBonjwa wrote: Nininini silence yourself. Noone cares your opinion.
ohrly? why don't you read the thread, looks like andrey cares:
On September 16 2011 09:39 andreyyisbestandrey wrote: Just chiming in my support for ninini and his valid unanswered question as to why Scan was allowed to participate in ISL1 and not allowed to participate in ISL2 with no offense done in between the two leagues.
That said, I hope to see awesome games and trickery this week.
I think that discussion already happened in the first ISL2 thread, can't exactly remember but I think it was something Scan did in a defiler tournament, but can't say for sure.
P.S this was the third time Scan was banned from this league. First as a general ban for cheating. Second as a ladder player who played within the last few days. Third, for this. I guess it's best to question why Scan was banned initially, given his cheating past, and cheating in every major tournament and starleague.
The first offense wasn't enough to prevent him from participating in ISL1, and the third offense happened as a reaction to and after he was banned from ISL2, so can someone please explain exactly what Game meant with the second offense, what Scan did and when it happened? It seems noone really knows, which is strange since so many here are so vocal about why he shouldn't be allowed to play.
Alright, you keep changing your question, hence you are a troll. But troll, I will feed you. First off, and most importantly: This thread is not about Scan, it's the Round of 16 thread, so please stop it. Second off: He tried to smurf into the ladder 3 days before its end and make an entire identity for himself as "Richard Garey". I won't reveal his smurf name because it's unimportant, but he went 28-4 and tried to qualify low, expecting me not to scrutinize my counter abuse of the lower players. This could have been intel he received from my staff, because in fact, I said that exact thing to all but two people. "We'll only really check hardcore 1-80 or so"
But in reality, I personally was watching the main players and the lower ranks with a hawk eye with the help of two other CAT members.
P.S Not all of the CAT team is listed.
Edit: P.S.S This is the last time I will reply to you in this thread.
This post does not clarify anything. He tried to smurf into the ladder after getting banned which in turn justified his ban in the first place?! What is this, back to the future?
r u for rela? He just anserwed your question and you still ask him. He tried to smurf into ISL2. He got banned. He wasn't allowed to play ISL2 since he is full of shit cheater. End of story.
If Scan tried to smurf into ISL2 it puts everything in a whole different context. He was already banned from the league when he smurfed. Many ppl would do the same thing if they felt the ban wasn't justified.
Scan cheated for the first time in that TSL some time ago. Whether he should've been banned for every future tournament is not something we could all agree on, so I will not discuss that. Anyways, Game let Scan participate in ISL1. Scan won ISL1, and then, Game changed his mind about him and didn't allow him into ISL2. After that, Scan was determined to play anyway, so he tried getting in with a fake id. It didn't work and he got caught. Then he tried posing as Ruarc and got caught again.
Clearly Scan doesn't cheat in leagues which he is allowed to play in. I suggest you drop it and admit to being wrong.
Thanks for the info. I didn't know about this event in the Gambit Cup. (If anyone else didn't know about it, read the last page) And for the record, I don't care about being right. I just want the truth.
Anyway, this event occured after Scan was banned from ISL2, and I'm discussing the validity of that specific ban here, not whether Scan is a cheater. You can't justify a ban by saying "I told you so", not if the ban didn't make sense when it was made. Also, JoeKim was just as guilty as Scan on that occasion in the Gambit Cup, and he's part of the staff in this tournament.
Anyway, you guys can make your own assumptions about this.
Here's your straight answer: Game doesn't like Scan. I know! So simple, right?
Scan was in Game's team, LRM), but didn't play in any clan wars, so Game kicked him from the team, and on Scan's facebook page, Scan referred to Game as a "faggot", and so, Scan isn't allowed to join any Game-organized tournaments for life. If you look in the ISL1 threads/BGH tour threads, you'll see Game and Scan (under the name Hanbang) arguing back and forth.
r u for rela? He just anserwed your question and you still ask him. He tried to smurf into ISL2. He got banned. He wasn't allowed to play ISL2 since he is full of shit cheater. End of story.
If Scan tried to smurf into ISL2 it puts everything in a whole different context. He was already banned from the league when he smurfed. Many ppl would do the same thing if they felt the ban wasn't justified.
Scan cheated for the first time in that TSL some time ago. Whether he should've been banned for every future tournament is not something we could all agree on, so I will not discuss that. Anyways, Game let Scan participate in ISL1. Scan won ISL1, and then, Game changed his mind about him and didn't allow him into ISL2. After that, Scan was determined to play anyway, so he tried getting in with a fake id. It didn't work and he got caught. Then he tried posing as Ruarc and got caught again.
Clearly Scan doesn't cheat in leagues which he is allowed to play in. I suggest you drop it and admit to being wrong.
Thanks for the info. I didn't know about this event in the Gambit Cup. (If anyone else didn't know about it, read the last page) And for the record, I don't care about being right. I just want the truth.
Anyway, this event occured after Scan was banned from ISL2, and I'm discussing the validity of that specific ban here, not whether Scan is a cheater. You can't justify a ban by saying "I told you so", not if the ban didn't make sense when it was made. Also, JoeKim was just as guilty as Scan on that occasion in the Gambit Cup, and he's part of the staff in this tournament.
Anyway, you guys can make your own assumptions about this.
Here's your straight answer: Game doesn't like Scan. I know! So simple, right?
Scan was in Game's team, LRM), but didn't play in any clan wars, so Game kicked him from the team, and on Scan's facebook page, Scan referred to Game as a "faggot", and so, Scan isn't allowed to join any Game-organized tournaments for life. If you look in the ISL1 threads/BGH tour threads, you'll see Game and Scan (under the name Hanbang) arguing back and forth.
Cheers.
A iCCup super-admin with a sound opinion. Trollololol.
On September 18 2011 05:57 Holgerius wrote: Could you at least tell me what match-ups has been played?
On the stream? Because in general, it's in the OP. First match casted: Pike vs SouthPark Second match casted: Michael vs SneazeL Third match casted: Jumper vs Kashu Fourth match casted: Bibiane vs Plumbum Fifth match casted: Sziky vs AstrO Sixth match casted: Bakuryu vs CaStrO Seventh match casted: andrey vs Pro7ecT
Ace vs PatrrrOn is being casted live, tomorrow at 16CET.
On September 18 2011 08:38 GeLaar wrote: HAHHAA. "audio re-enactment of game 3" LOL. Better than replays, better than battle reports: Have one of the players tell you a story!
LOL. I was just about to write "the only thing missing is the two of them doing the sound effects by voice", when Sayle asks him to do a Zerg unit sound. ^_____^
On September 18 2011 08:38 GeLaar wrote: HAHHAA. "audio re-enactment of game 3" LOL. Better than replays, better than battle reports: Have one of the players tell you a story!
I agree!
Game, I know 500 people tell you this every week, so this will be no. 501:
The tournament is ridiculously awesome. THANK YOU! for organizing this, and for Island Tournament as well. High quality entertainment!
On September 18 2011 08:38 GeLaar wrote: HAHHAA. "audio re-enactment of game 3" LOL. Better than replays, better than battle reports: Have one of the players tell you a story!
I agree!
Game, I know 500 people tell you this every week, so this will be no. 501:
The tournament is ridiculously awesome. THANK YOU! for organizing this, and for Island Tournament as well. High quality entertainment!
Sayle: Regarding your question on the stream as to what the OGN commentator says right before the games start: If I remember correctly, it's "경기~~~ 시작하죠!", which roughly means "Let the gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame begin!"
Edit: Oh, if you want to reproduce the exact exact pronunciation on air, you'll probably have to get a Korean speaker tell it to you face to face until you get it right, but it'd be something like "Kyongeeeeeeeeeeee shijakhajyo!", with the last word said very quickly.
Edit2: And regarding your glasses, in any decent shop that sells lenses, glasses and similar accessories, they can replace those things. (Ya, they're actually replaceable.)
Okay, gonna stop answering everything he says on the stream. Not a two-way conversation anyway.
On September 18 2011 09:00 GeLaar wrote: Sayle: Regarding your question on the stream as to what the OGN commentator says right before the games start: If I remember correctly, it's "경기~~~ 시작하죠!", which roughly means "Let the gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame begin!"
Edit: Oh, if you want to reproduce the exact exact pronunciation on air, you'll probably have to get a Korean speaker tell it to you face to face until you get it right, but it'd be something like "Kyongeeeeeeeeeeee shijakhajyo!", with the last word said very quickly.
Edit2: And regarding your glasses, in any decent shop that sells lenses, glasses and similar accessories, they can replace those things. (Ya, they're actually replaceable.)
Okay, gonna stop answering everything he says on the stream. Not a two-way conversation anyway.
That was actually an extremely helpful post. Thanks.
On the other hand, that means I can no longer be Harry Potter.
On September 18 2011 09:22 Game wrote: GeLaar, post enough and you might accidentally become friends with him enough to be mentioned... ijs
Hihihihi.
Okay, so I had to go to sleep during the last game, but I did catch Sayle saying that the 8th match would be broadcast live... at 16:00 CET... on which day, Sunday or Monday? If anyone knows the exact time and date, adding it as an event to the calendar might be a good idea. I don't know if everyone is aware of it.
Ah, crap. Just noticed that Game had already edited his post above to say that it's at 16 CET "tomorrow". But what on earth does that mean? The previous broadcast started on Sunday 2 AM Korean time... Will this be on Sunday or Monday (CET)?
On September 19 2011 09:02 IslandMapBonjwa wrote: Who is Pro7ect and Bibiane? I have never heard of either of them.
Pro7ecT: Always an underrated Korean-Russian. He has been kept out of a few tournaments due to living in Korea part time (visiting his family), but is a citizen of Russia and prodominately lives there. He is a player who has done well in the higher divisions of foreign SC:BW for a long time, albeit a player of lower ranking teams. This is the reason for his lack of exposure. He is a very loyal player to the Russian community and is a high multitask Terran, the ideal Terran in the sense that he can keep up with his mind. He is an entirely standard player who has confidence in his ability to beat players in the late game.
http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/LyrA.Pro7ecT.html Notice C- Season 4, A- Season 6, clearly a quick learner and developmental player, this should be in his advantage for tournament play by way of burning rust off easily. His smurf (iccup's site randomly stopped working as always) is ooke. 55-3 atm or something.
Bibiane on the other hand is a one dimensional Korean-Canadian who seems entirely loyal to the Korean and Canadian community. His best match up is TvZ, and from what I have seen, is his only match up. He is strong in the first 15 minutes and then slowly crumbles, much like TechnicS in his match vs Kashu. His high rank (only from memory) is B. He laddered to a mid-qualifying rank in the ISL2 ladder stage with an exceedingly high win percentage, if not perfect. (I am replying from a laptop not my pc) He qualified for the Round of 64 out of the group stages by default. Only two of four players from his group showed up, where Pike beat him and then they both qualified. In the Round of 32 he came entirely way too close to default elimination given his breaking of a rule. However, he is versus the Comeback Kid in the Round of 8 - who can play any matchup versus Terran despite his main race being Zerg, which should prove to be quite an exciting match.
The next time you make a new thread for the Kaal's International StarLeague, could you put "KISL Round of 8" or something instead of writing out "Kaal's International StarLeague Round of 16"? Well, it doesn't really matter that much, but somewhat annoys me. Anyways, I'm so excited for this. When are VODs up?
On September 19 2011 10:41 NationInArms wrote: The next time you make a new thread for the Kaal's International StarLeague, could you put "KISL Round of 8" or something instead of writing out "Kaal's International StarLeague Round of 16"? Well, it doesn't really matter that much, but somewhat annoys me. Anyways, I'm so excited for this. When are VODs up?
I'd suggest Kaal ISL Round of 8 if an abbreviation were to be made
On September 19 2011 09:02 IslandMapBonjwa wrote: Who is Pro7ect and Bibiane? I have never heard of either of them.
... Bibiane ...However, he is versus the Comeback Kid in the Round of 8 - who can play any matchup versus Terran despite his main race being Zerg, which should prove to be quite an exciting match.
i think kashu has tell if he is going to random or which race he going to play.if he doesnt it will be unfair to bibiane as he has to practice vs all races.
On September 19 2011 09:02 IslandMapBonjwa wrote: Who is Pro7ect and Bibiane? I have never heard of either of them.
... Bibiane ...However, he is versus the Comeback Kid in the Round of 8 - who can play any matchup versus Terran despite his main race being Zerg, which should prove to be quite an exciting match.
i think kashu has tell if he is going to random or which race he going to play.if he doesnt it will be unfair to bibiane as he has to practice vs all races.
There will be an interview, where i will say, why i used those races, what i played yet, and what i will use now. Btw Sneazel: vs Whistler both TvZ vs Technics 1st random, 2nd terran, 3-5th protoss vs Jumper 3 zvp
On September 20 2011 01:10 IslandMapBonjwa wrote: So if Ace's nickname is "Sniper Zerg", Kashu's nickname is "Comeback Kid", what is Sziky's nickname? We must give him one. Gogoggogoggo Sayle.
On September 20 2011 01:10 IslandMapBonjwa wrote: So if Ace's nickname is "Sniper Zerg", Kashu's nickname is "Comeback Kid", what is Sziky's nickname? We must give him one. Gogoggogoggo Sayle.
If Kashu, Ace and Sziky all get to the Ro4, can we get them all on Skype to do a Hungarian version of the three musketeers' "One for all and all for one"?
On September 20 2011 01:10 IslandMapBonjwa wrote: So if Ace's nickname is "Sniper Zerg", Kashu's nickname is "Comeback Kid", what is Sziky's nickname? We must give him one. Gogoggogoggo Sayle.
The match I'm most looking forward to is Pike vs Sneazel. Pike has very quietly dominated everyone he played, and is the only person in the ISL undefeated, with no walkovers either. Sneazel though already took out two high level zergs. Should be good.
On September 21 2011 00:33 _Quasar_ wrote: "You're fucked imho. But I'm going to cheer for you."
Right at the time when I was looking for another quote for my... quote.
OMFG LOL: ""I dont get the exciment of bw gosus switching to sc2. Its like Kasparov switching to tic tac toe." mdb" this quote from your sig is hilarious.
On September 20 2011 01:10 IslandMapBonjwa wrote: So if Ace's nickname is "Sniper Zerg", Kashu's nickname is "Comeback Kid", what is Sziky's nickname? We must give him one. Gogoggogoggo Sayle.
I disagree Kashu's nickname should be "Kashu Potter" ze wizard!
On September 21 2011 04:17 Game wrote: OMFG LOL: ""I dont get the exciment of bw gosus switching to sc2. Its like Kasparov switching to tic tac toe." mdb" this quote from your sig is hilarious.
EPT![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/HawaiianPig/ISL2/bannerdecorated.jpg)
Liquipedia Article to find them (shoutout to Hyde!) or find them in Sayle's post here to find them spoiler-free. Personal recommendations? One of the more impressive feats was seeing notorious 5-pooler 
Plumbum play an epic long macro game on Icarus versus 
dsaqwe, in which he sported both excellent unit control as well as pretty good macro. For those Hive-minded ZvZ-lovers you should check out 
Kashu. 
(![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/HawaiianPig/ISL2/format.png)
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Pro7ect quarterfinal is going to be super, mega, uber, ultra epic. 
