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On July 17 2011 19:28 Heimatloser wrote:
if the last match goes to ace, woongjin will win. their ace is simply unstoppable, while kt currently has no reliable ace player (flash is only training one strategy per matchup? and the second most stable player of last few months for kt is hoejja)
Putting waaaay too much emphasis on Flash's ace loss. ZerO won because it was a well prepared build that caught Flash off guard (Similar to Bisu in WL Finals). I would still give Flash an advantage over ZerO if it goes standard. ZerO's beaten Flash twice this year, both times catching him off guard with early lurkers. Not that those wins don't count, I'm just saying 
Flash is still the favorite if they meet in my eyes. ^^
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On July 18 2011 02:32 Ideas wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 01:36 swanized wrote:On July 18 2011 01:12 Jaksiel wrote:On July 17 2011 16:36 Vasoline73 wrote:
Seriously I hope after this series people can stop talking about KTFlash. KT hasn't been KTFlash for awhile and we beat "deep team" STX and are putting up a hell of a fight v "deep team" WJ. WJ sure as hell is not a "deep" team. Their lineup is Zero, Soulkey, Light, and a bunch of question marks. I've always considered Really overrated and Free is in a ridiculous slump. Anyone beyond even those two is pretty much just bad. if everyone on WJ played at their top form stars would DESTROY proleague though so I think he is referring to stars' potential here to be fair I think you could say that about any team.
ok then with every team at full potential woongjin would be one of the best 
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KT! I believed! Hoejja stepping his game up and being an asset in the playoffs. If KT takes WJ on game 3 then CJ is also going down.
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It's kinda hard pressed to say that WJN currently has better 4-5 than a lot of other teams.
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Our top 5 plays a lot of games, which means anyone below pretty much is either a rookie or Guemchi. Deep team?
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Wow, it's going to come to a 3rd game!! :o
Go KT :D
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So happy KT won!
Last day will be epic!
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How is WJ not a deep team? 3 ace players in Zero, Light and Soulkey... plus Really as support and I guess Free on occasion. What team is deep if you don't consider WJ deep? Just CJ? SKT only has Bisu Fantasy and Best. I guess they arent a deep team either?
Even CJ is just Hydra, Snow and... Leta? Movie? Those players all lack consistency minus Hydra...
3 A/S class players plus support is about as deep as a PL team is going to get until CJ gets Effort back next season...
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People are often quite silly regarding the whole team depth thing to be honest.
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If Stars and KT aren't deep teams we literally only have one or two teams we can actually call deep.
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STAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATS
Fuck year
Hoping for clean 4-0 to KT
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Let's see if KT can come up clutch with a win or if Stars can go back to their winning formula.
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On July 18 2011 05:07 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 04:49 Vasoline73 wrote:
How is WJ not a deep team? 3 ace players in Zero, Light and Soulkey... plus Really as support and I guess Free on occasion. What team is deep if you don't consider WJ deep? Just CJ? SKT only has Bisu Fantasy and Best. I guess they arent a deep team either?
Even CJ is just Hydra, Snow and... Leta? Movie? Those players all lack consistency minus Hydra...
3 A/S class players plus support is about as deep as a PL team is going to get until CJ gets Effort back next season... However SKT 1 iS #1 for a ReasoN:  Hyuk,  SoO,  Ssak, Sun and back ups s2, Paralyze Really make SKT a Deep team too. But WJ and KT arent Deep teams. They are just normal teams with 1-2 top players at any time with the rest of the team having players fluctuate between brilliant and terribad.
And those SKT players you mentioned don't fluctuate between good (none of them have ever been brilliant) and terrible? Even Best and Fantasy have had very questionable moments this season
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Deepest team of this season is Khan, followed by Stars, then by CJ
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There are currently 10 teams in the league, if we include okay teams, then half the teams would have a deep team in a bo7. This year's race for playoffs is especially close in the middle pack-- signifying that the teams are relatively evenly balanced around the middle. KT got a huge boost from WL format, so they are kinda grouped together with the middle more than the top 2 juggernauts. SKT and CJ are deep-- one look at the +- differential will tell you as much. SKT is murdering the individual league prelims.
Khan and STX are relatively even with Stars in terms of depth (we really abused ZvP to beat Khan in the first round). so if we consider these teams as "deep" then 5 teams out of 10 are considered deep-- which kinda makes it silly.
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On July 18 2011 04:49 Vasoline73 wrote:
How is WJ not a deep team? 3 ace players in Zero, Light and Soulkey... plus Really as support and I guess Free on occasion. What team is deep if you don't consider WJ deep? Just CJ? SKT only has Bisu Fantasy and Best. I guess they arent a deep team either?
Even CJ is just Hydra, Snow and... Leta? Movie? Those players all lack consistency minus Hydra...
3 A/S class players plus support is about as deep as a PL team is going to get until CJ gets Effort back next season...
Dude. Dont talk shit about Movie. 
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On July 18 2011 06:48 xarthaz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 04:49 Vasoline73 wrote:
How is WJ not a deep team? 3 ace players in Zero, Light and Soulkey... plus Really as support and I guess Free on occasion. What team is deep if you don't consider WJ deep? Just CJ? SKT only has Bisu Fantasy and Best. I guess they arent a deep team either?
Even CJ is just Hydra, Snow and... Leta? Movie? Those players all lack consistency minus Hydra...
3 A/S class players plus support is about as deep as a PL team is going to get until CJ gets Effort back next season... Dude. Dont talk shit about Movie.
Why do you have a soft spot for Movie?
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On July 18 2011 07:20 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 06:48 xarthaz wrote:On July 18 2011 04:49 Vasoline73 wrote:
How is WJ not a deep team? 3 ace players in Zero, Light and Soulkey... plus Really as support and I guess Free on occasion. What team is deep if you don't consider WJ deep? Just CJ? SKT only has Bisu Fantasy and Best. I guess they arent a deep team either?
Even CJ is just Hydra, Snow and... Leta? Movie? Those players all lack consistency minus Hydra...
3 A/S class players plus support is about as deep as a PL team is going to get until CJ gets Effort back next season... Dude. Dont talk shit about Movie. Why do you have a soft spot for Movie?
Well I have a soft spot for Movie because he's the first progamer that I really followed when I joined TL in 2009. Seeing all other protoss players getting killed by zerg left and right, it was so inspiring to see Movie dominate against zergs at that time, even calming the Typhoon which Taekbang couldn't.
And his record since Round 5 in PL: 14-2
And CJ's motto the whole season was to let the deep lineup and smart sniping kill teams before the Ace match, and it has served them quite well, even against SKT (the only shutout losses SKT had this season was against CJ, getting shutout twice).
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