2011 MSL Season 2 Offline Prelims - Page 2
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Ryo
8787 Posts
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amazingoopah
United States1925 Posts
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hacklebeast
United States5090 Posts
And if OP wants to get the TLPD in for BeSt you have to capitalize the b and s. | ||
endy
Switzerland8966 Posts
JangBi / Tossgirl / SKT Zergs / Afrotoss fighting ! And thanks for the translation of course ! | ||
matjlav
Germany2435 Posts
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VGhost
United States3602 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [Group 1] + By.Sun advances to MST + Show Spoiler [Group 2] + n.Die_soO advances to MST + Show Spoiler [Group 3] + PerfectMan > Bye Rudy < Sea.Hak Yang Hee Su (P, Rookie) < Hope Bye < BarrackS PerfectMan > Sea.Hak Hope < BarrackS PerfectMan < BarrackS + Show Spoiler [Group 4] + HoeJJa advances to MST + Show Spoiler [Group 5] + BeSt > Bye Always > Beast Kim Gyu Hee (P, Rookie) < Mong Bye < Perfective BeSt > Always Mong < Perfective BeSt > Perfective + Show Spoiler [Group 6] + Crazy-Hydra > Bye Gwak > YongSu Kwon Hyuk Jin (P, Rookie) < Rush Bye < sHy Crazy-Hydra > Gwak Rush < sHy Crazy-Hydra > sHy + Show Spoiler [Group 7] + Anytime advances to MST + Show Spoiler [Group 8] + s2 advances to MST + Show Spoiler [Group 9] + Paralyze advances to MST + Show Spoiler [Group 10] + TurN advances to MST + Show Spoiler [Group 11] + JangBi advances to MST + Show Spoiler [Group 12] + M18M advances to MST + Show Spoiler [Group 13] + Ssak advances to MST + Show Spoiler [Group 14] + Brave advances to MST + Show Spoiler [Group 15] + Iris advances to MST + Show Spoiler [Group 16] + Midas advances to MST + Show Spoiler [Group 17] + Jaehoon advances to MST + Show Spoiler [Group 18] +Bogus advances to MST + Show Spoiler [Group 19] +Movie advances to MST + Show Spoiler [Group 20] +Action advances to MST + Show Spoiler [Group 21] +BaBy advances to MST + Show Spoiler [Group 22] +Killer advances to MST + Show Spoiler [Group 23] +HiyA advances to MST + Show Spoiler [Group 24] +Stats advances to MST | ||
Ryo
8787 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + I guess this is where all the money from Light's transfer has gone. I hope MBC does well. I would like to see more of the team in the MST. | ||
Crisium
United States1618 Posts
On June 28 2011 23:40 baubo wrote: I know OSL is the bigger starleague, but I really do prefer MSL's less brutal prelims due to lots of players seeded from previous round. It's much more fun to have an extra round, so if the top players drop, it will be on TV in a "fair" way. The MSL is truly the better league. After the OSL offline prelims only 28 players remain (Ro24 + seeds). There is way too much mayhem and way too many good players to not have a middle round there. The previous OSL method was better and meant that after the offline prelims there were 40 players left (Ro36 + 4 seeds). So you had more properly televised games and more of a chance to see good players at least advance to the Ro36. In the MSL, the MST follows the prelims and is televised and has 48 players playing, plus another 8 seeds who are waiting. So your favourite players only have to make it to the top 56 to see them in a properly televised and reasonable 4-player group format. The other OSL problem is the random factor of the Ro8 and beyond. Remember Jaedong and Flash meeting in the OSL Ro8 a year and a half ago and the MSL final? That's because the MSL reseeds based on rank in the Ro8. OSL is as thus: all players who advanced from the Ro16 were either #1 or #2 in their group. Ro8 is random #1 vs #2, as long as they weren't in the same Ro16 group. So in that previous example, Flash was a #2 (lost to Stork) and JD was a #1. But also consider that even if Flash and JD are both #1, they can meet in the Ro4 if they are randomly on the same side of the bracket. This "new" OSL style is of course basically the old one and this is why iloveoov and Savior failed in the prelims multiple times when they were simultaneously winning multiple MSLs. There is a far greater chance of inferior players advancing out of the giant OSL prelim groups because there are so many games played that you don't have time to properly prepare. There is a reason the MSL is nicknamed "Where Bonjwa Happens". The MSL is better. It gets less prestige because it is newer and everyone remembers the Coca-Cola OSL. Boxer was an OSL man first and foremost even later in his career so that also helped. tl;dr MSL > OSL because there are more televised games, an extra round after the prelims that gives the better players more chance to advance, and is less random from the Ro8 and on. | ||
Doughboy
United States721 Posts
Anyway, Woon, PianO, Wooki, and Mercury hwaiting! | ||
Anomarad
Canada565 Posts
GL to the rookies. | ||
FlaShFTW
United States9652 Posts
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Ryo
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mustaju
Estonia4504 Posts
On June 29 2011 03:58 Ryo wrote: I just noticed, Frozen is not in the list. He didn't play in the OSL prelims either. I saw him return to the A-team though. :S I'm hoping he gets to play a game against FOX, though that is unlikely. I hope he's alright, but I was already panicking when he was sent to the B-team. | ||
p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
Choi Jae Sung = What Kim Byeong Su = NsP_ByungSoo Yang Hee Su = Neo.G_Haruhi Chae Kwang Jin = Neo.G_technick Kim Kyu Hoi = Hint Kwon Hyuk Jin = Ever)P(Noble Jeon Min Ho = Point[z-zone] (on Samsung KHAN) Lee Ki Seok = GalBi Yoon Ji Won = g1[kaL] Byun Hyun Je = Ever)P(mini Byung Young Bong = Bong[S.G] (CJ Entus) Kim Tae Hoon = Stussy[WHITE] Kim Young Joon = Minus)zealOt Choi Yo Han = Sung[sGw] Kim Seung Hwi = Ever)T(Holy (SK Telecom T1) Kim Ji Sung = Neo.G_hudadak (SK Telecom T1) Ha Seung Min = gom[kas] Noh Jae Sang = By.Cola | ||
Ryo
8787 Posts
On June 29 2011 04:56 p4NDemik wrote: Here are IDs of the Rookies/pros that didn't get TLPDized: Choi Jae Sung = What Kim Byeong Su = NsP_ByungSoo Yang Hee Su = Neo.G_Haruhi Chae Kwang Jin = Neo.G_technick Kim Kyu Hoi = Hint Kwon Hyuk Jin = Ever)P(Noble Jeon Min Ho = Point[z-zone] (on Samsung KHAN) Lee Ki Seok = GalBi Yoon Ji Won = g1[kaL] Byun Hyun Je = Ever)P(mini Byung Young Bong = Bong[S.G] (CJ Entus) Kim Tae Hoon = Stussy[WHITE] Kim Young Joon = Minus)zealOt Choi Yo Han = Sung[sGw] Kim Seung Hwi = Ever)T(Holy (SK Telecom T1) Kim Ji Sung = Neo.G_hudadak (SK Telecom T1) Ha Seung Min = gom[kas] Noh Jae Sang = By.Cola thanks, I'll add them to the OP. | ||
VGhost
United States3602 Posts
On June 29 2011 02:08 Crisium wrote:tl;dr MSL > OSL because there are more televised games, an extra round after the prelims that gives the better players more chance to advance, and is less random from the Ro8 and on. Curious: for the sake of argument, do you think this is evidence for the "Zerg era" theory that says balance has shifted to the point where Zerg is dominant in BW? If less random league -> more Zerg wins (and all-Zerg semis, etc), then at the very least there's an indication that there are more good Zerg players out there at the moment. | ||
agarangu
Chile274 Posts
On June 29 2011 01:21 VGhost wrote: Am bored. Full prediction (NOT RESULTS, THIS IS A PREDICTION): + Show Spoiler [Group 1] + By.Sun advances to MST + Show Spoiler [Group 2] + n.Die_soO advances to MST + Show Spoiler [Group 3] + PerfectMan > Bye Rudy < Sea.Hak Yang Hee Su (P, Rookie) < Hope Bye < BarrackS PerfectMan > Sea.Hak Hope < BarrackS PerfectMan < BarrackS + Show Spoiler [Group 4] + HoeJJa advances to MST + Show Spoiler [Group 5] + BeSt > Bye Always > Beast Kim Gyu Hee (P, Rookie) < Mong Bye < Perfective BeSt > Always Mong < Perfective BeSt > Perfective + Show Spoiler [Group 6] + Crazy-Hydra > Bye Gwak > YongSu Kwon Hyuk Jin (P, Rookie) < Rush Bye < sHy Crazy-Hydra > Gwak Rush < sHy Crazy-Hydra > sHy + Show Spoiler [Group 7] + Anytime advances to MST + Show Spoiler [Group 8] + s2 advances to MST + Show Spoiler [Group 9] + Paralyze advances to MST + Show Spoiler [Group 10] + TurN advances to MST + Show Spoiler [Group 11] + JangBi advances to MST + Show Spoiler [Group 12] + M18M advances to MST + Show Spoiler [Group 13] + Ssak advances to MST + Show Spoiler [Group 14] + Brave advances to MST + Show Spoiler [Group 15] + Iris advances to MST + Show Spoiler [Group 16] + Midas advances to MST + Show Spoiler [Group 17] + Jaehoon advances to MST + Show Spoiler [Group 18] +Bogus advances to MST + Show Spoiler [Group 19] +Movie advances to MST + Show Spoiler [Group 20] +Action advances to MST + Show Spoiler [Group 21] +BaBy advances to MST + Show Spoiler [Group 22] +Killer advances to MST + Show Spoiler [Group 23] +HiyA advances to MST + Show Spoiler [Group 24] +Stats advances to MST Wait, so every good player in KT will advance. I like that (y) May your prediction come true. | ||
baubo
China3370 Posts
On June 29 2011 05:20 VGhost wrote: Curious: for the sake of argument, do you think this is evidence for the "Zerg era" theory that says balance has shifted to the point where Zerg is dominant in BW? If less random league -> more Zerg wins (and all-Zerg semis, etc), then at the very least there's an indication that there are more good Zerg players out there at the moment. I know this may come off as "annoying fan crying imba", but I've always believed that more rounds means more map-imba. So if one particular map works against a particular race, it's hard to overcome that in the MST, MSL group, and then likely going into the Ro16 as the lower seed, hence meaning your opponent gets to take out the map and not you. But that's why its fun to see players like Savior overcoming all obstacles and winning MSLs against the maps. | ||
xarthaz
1704 Posts
On June 29 2011 02:08 Crisium wrote: The MSL is truly the better league. After the OSL offline prelims only 28 players remain (Ro24 + seeds). There is way too much mayhem and way too many good players to not have a middle round there. The previous OSL method was better and meant that after the offline prelims there were 40 players left (Ro36 + 4 seeds). So you had more properly televised games and more of a chance to see good players at least advance to the Ro36. In the MSL, the MST follows the prelims and is televised and has 48 players playing, plus another 8 seeds who are waiting. So your favourite players only have to make it to the top 56 to see them in a properly televised and reasonable 4-player group format. The other OSL problem is the random factor of the Ro8 and beyond. Remember Jaedong and Flash meeting in the OSL Ro8 a year and a half ago and the MSL final? That's because the MSL reseeds based on rank in the Ro8. OSL is as thus: all players who advanced from the Ro16 were either #1 or #2 in their group. Ro8 is random #1 vs #2, as long as they weren't in the same Ro16 group. So in that previous example, Flash was a #2 (lost to Stork) and JD was a #1. But also consider that even if Flash and JD are both #1, they can meet in the Ro4 if they are randomly on the same side of the bracket. This "new" OSL style is of course basically the old one and this is why iloveoov and Savior failed in the prelims multiple times when they were simultaneously winning multiple MSLs. There is a far greater chance of inferior players advancing out of the giant OSL prelim groups because there are so many games played that you don't have time to properly prepare. There is a reason the MSL is nicknamed "Where Bonjwa Happens". The MSL is better. It gets less prestige because it is newer and everyone remembers the Coca-Cola OSL. Boxer was an OSL man first and foremost even later in his career so that also helped. tl;dr MSL > OSL because there are more televised games, an extra round after the prelims that gives the better players more chance to advance, and is less random from the Ro8 and on. Agreed. And MSL has the energy and capability of casters they really pump up the game action.. OSL guys kinda seem half hearted, not fully into the game. | ||
moopie
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