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On June 22 2011 14:31 Spica wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 14:30 Womwomwom wrote:On June 22 2011 14:25 Spica wrote:
Holy shiiiit, Roro's first win against Bisu. Finally.
Intense game, insta-recommend.
Bisu what's up with your BvZ lately D| Probably because zergs are finally picking up on how to beat Bisu's style. Hyvaa showed in the prelims that even if you have comparatively awful mechanics to Bisu. if you play it right you can still win pretty solidly. Hmmm, if Bisu starts to go on a long losing streak vZ, then I'll say that his BvZ has reverted back to just PvZ. Gotta see more games first.
Of course Bisu is going to smash zergs most of the time but he's going to find wins much harder to pull off against the smarter zergs instead of those who are just mechanical robots. His wins are less like the start of the season where the zergs died to the first zealot push and now depending on his late game skill.
Its exactly like Flash with his TvP/TvZ. He doesn't bring out that super FD or third denying antics so aggressively in proleague because it doesn't work so well. If things lasted forever, PvZ would be the same as 2006 and Flash would still be doing the 2-1 doom push.
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United States13143 Posts
On June 22 2011 14:32 Zona wrote:
Also:
Can we have some maps that encourage something different PvZ?
I'm tired of seeing 4-base sunken defense zerg
(New) Bloody Ridge?
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WMF bringing it to SKT1. Mind vs Fantasy? Yes please. Rommel Terran vs Oov's protege!
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I think if he puts his  Mind to it he can live out his Fantasy.
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On June 22 2011 14:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 14:32 Zona wrote:
Also:
Can we have some maps that encourage something different PvZ?
I'm tired of seeing 4-base sunken defense zerg What do you suggest? Anything where zerg can't secure a fourth makes it impossible for zerg to play standard.
I have no idea. Maybe even maps that make Forge FE unviable
but who knows what kind of game that would result in.
Welp.
Fantasy in orange at 4.5
Mind in teal at 7.5
Neo EoTS
Fantasy sending out an early SCV
left of center 8rax
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United States5582 Posts
On June 22 2011 14:36 Womwomwom wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 14:31 Spica wrote:On June 22 2011 14:30 Womwomwom wrote:On June 22 2011 14:25 Spica wrote:
Holy shiiiit, Roro's first win against Bisu. Finally.
Intense game, insta-recommend.
Bisu what's up with your BvZ lately D| Probably because zergs are finally picking up on how to beat Bisu's style. Hyvaa showed in the prelims that even if you have comparatively awful mechanics to Bisu. if you play it right you can still win pretty solidly. Hmmm, if Bisu starts to go on a long losing streak vZ, then I'll say that his BvZ has reverted back to just PvZ. Gotta see more games first. Of course Bisu is going to smash zergs most of the time but he's going to find wins much harder to pull off against the smarter zergs instead of those who are just mechanical robots. His wins are less like the start of the season where the zergs died to the first zealot push and now depending on his late game skill. Its exactly like Flash with his TvP/TvZ. He doesn't bring out that super FD or third denying antics so aggressively in proleague because it doesn't work so well. If things lasted forever, PvZ would be the same as 2006 and Flash would still be doing the 2-1 doom push.
I never said that things will last forever, but okay, let's put words in my mouth!
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Mind drops a rax at his choke, takes his gas, starts to scout
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lol mind's normal scouting pattern spots fantasy's proxy rax
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lol 8 rax scouted so easily
gg fantasy
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Russian Federation905 Posts
On June 22 2011 14:35 Spica wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 14:33 Sovetsky Soyuz wrote:On June 22 2011 14:25 Spica wrote:
Holy shiiiit, Roro's first win against Bisu. Finally.
Intense game, insta-recommend.
Bisu what's up with your BvZ lately D| What you mean? He is 19-4 vZ this year, including Roro. Previous 3 are Jaedong, Zero, and Hydra. Oh, I'm just saying right after getting knocked out of the OSL, he drops another PvZ game. And with Bisu, you know that he's rather off if he loses more than 2 PvZ games!
What? Knocked out of OSL? When? How? Isnt OSL just starting???
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United States5582 Posts
Bah TvT, might as well go do something else now. ==
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Bisutopia19231 Posts
Time for an hour long TvT against 2 very good Terrans.
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Fantasy adds a bunker at mind's nat
throws down a center factory too
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On June 22 2011 14:36 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 14:34 Winechu wrote:On June 22 2011 14:32 TwoToneTerran wrote:On June 22 2011 14:29 Lightwip wrote:
That may have been the worst game I've seen from Bisu in a long time.
He'd better practice more. This was about as well played as all of his wins, obviously with a bit of variation. The only difference is that Roro played better than most zergs. Just because a guy loses doesn't mean he was playing worse. Actually he was playing worse. Careless with the ling runby, losing his entire corsair fleet when it was avoidable, worse storms than usual, questionable engagements, then that strategic error not denying 7 Yep, he was playing worse than usual His storms and engagements were not particularly different. He lost because Roro prepared for him and was strategically better and mechanically close enough to win.
I agree completely that Roro's better preparation and strategy was what won him the game. However Bisu's play just seemed a bit off to me. Maybe it's just me then.
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Mind is proxying a factory in response. Set 4 incoming.
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Ahaha, fantasy bunker rush gonna get owned.
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wait - was that Mind's center factory?
not fantasy's
fantasy doesn't even have his gas
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On June 22 2011 14:38 Sovetsky Soyuz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 14:35 Spica wrote:On June 22 2011 14:33 Sovetsky Soyuz wrote:On June 22 2011 14:25 Spica wrote:
Holy shiiiit, Roro's first win against Bisu. Finally.
Intense game, insta-recommend.
Bisu what's up with your BvZ lately D| What you mean? He is 19-4 vZ this year, including Roro. Previous 3 are Jaedong, Zero, and Hydra. Oh, I'm just saying right after getting knocked out of the OSL, he drops another PvZ game. And with Bisu, you know that he's rather off if he loses more than 2 PvZ games! What? Knocked out of OSL? When? How? Isnt OSL just starting???
He got knocked out in the prelims by Hyvaa.
On June 22 2011 14:37 Spica wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 14:36 Womwomwom wrote:On June 22 2011 14:31 Spica wrote:On June 22 2011 14:30 Womwomwom wrote:On June 22 2011 14:25 Spica wrote:
Holy shiiiit, Roro's first win against Bisu. Finally.
Intense game, insta-recommend.
Bisu what's up with your BvZ lately D| Probably because zergs are finally picking up on how to beat Bisu's style. Hyvaa showed in the prelims that even if you have comparatively awful mechanics to Bisu. if you play it right you can still win pretty solidly. Hmmm, if Bisu starts to go on a long losing streak vZ, then I'll say that his BvZ has reverted back to just PvZ. Gotta see more games first. Of course Bisu is going to smash zergs most of the time but he's going to find wins much harder to pull off against the smarter zergs instead of those who are just mechanical robots. His wins are less like the start of the season where the zergs died to the first zealot push and now depending on his late game skill. Its exactly like Flash with his TvP/TvZ. He doesn't bring out that super FD or third denying antics so aggressively in proleague because it doesn't work so well. If things lasted forever, PvZ would be the same as 2006 and Flash would still be doing the 2-1 doom push. I never said that things will last forever, but okay, let's put words in my mouth!
Sorry about that then. When people seem to suggest BvZ, they seem to suggest the same as JvZ and FvZ - otherwise match ups that fanboys keep spouting as come-here-and-let-me-rape-you zones for the respective player.
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Bisu did screw up a couple times that game and paid the price
like others said, the ling runby, the sair loss
vulture heading to fantasy's main - fantasy's factory not even done yet
ugly
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EPT
