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[R&S] 2011 Jinair OSL - Page 5

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Jenia6109
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Russian Federation1613 Posts
July 02 2011 21:38 GMT
#81
On July 03 2011 05:31 Release wrote:
We will have a JvF final. That's right. Jaedong vs Fantasy all day. Fantasy will bust out a new build involving Battlecruisers to yamato hatcheries. Ofc in games 3,4,5, jaedong will use 2 hatch muta to get early scourge, park them on top of fantasy's starports and watch oov cry again.

This.
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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8710 Posts
July 02 2011 22:12 GMT
#82
On July 03 2011 06:38 Jenia6109 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2011 05:31 Release wrote:
We will have a JvF final. That's right. Jaedong vs Fantasy all day. Fantasy will bust out a new build involving Battlecruisers to yamato hatcheries. Ofc in games 3,4,5, jaedong will use 2 hatch muta to get early scourge, park them on top of fantasy's starports and watch oov cry again.

This.


I'm smiling now, thank you.^^

In other terms: zerg seems to overrun the OSL after it happenend only to the MSL in the recent past.
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
July 02 2011 22:22 GMT
#83
Poor Protoss. Our DT rushes and arbiter play has been figured out or something in the past year or two
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3621 Posts
July 02 2011 22:36 GMT
#84
Well Jangbi and Stork both have godlike PvT and very good PvZ when on, so I'd say we're all set for a Stork vs Jangbi final.

Right?

Right???
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Crisium
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1618 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-02 23:49:54
July 02 2011 23:46 GMT
#85
You can really never count Stork out. The only active players who has been in as many OSL finals as him are Jaedong and Flash. So I guess one of Flash vs Stork vs Jaedong is the most likely final. But since JangBi is so hot right now, he might be able to take out Flash's wrist and meet Stork in the finals.

Or knowing the OSL Jaedong will beat Flash in the Ro8 and JangBi will use his so hot right now powers to win over Jaedong.
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a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
July 03 2011 00:19 GMT
#86
hyvaa fighting

?!?!!??!?
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ninini
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden1204 Posts
July 03 2011 01:59 GMT
#87
On July 03 2011 02:54 Ideas wrote:
after the Ro16 most of the weaker zergs (modesty, soo, hyuk, shine, etc) should be weeded out and we will be left with a pretty good race distribution I think.

as long as JD, flash, fantasy, and stork make it out, this OSL can still be really good. I think the ideal Ro8 would include those 4 plus hydra, baby, calm, and jangbi. just too bad that stork/fantasy/calm/sorta baby are slumping pretty bad right now lol


How dare you doubt the Hyuk!?

Anyways, it's impossible to tell what will happen without seeing the groups. All the terrans are semi-slumping right now, so how they perform will affect the amount of zerg survivors greatly. If this was last season it would have been a zerg slaughter.
nbaker
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1341 Posts
July 03 2011 02:57 GMT
#88
Why Zero? Why?
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
July 03 2011 16:47 GMT
#89
Group Selection will be held on 8th July 7.30pm. Yesterday the players had their profile pictures taken for the new OSL intro.

Ro16 will be held from 13th July onwards.

영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
a7choi
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1664 Posts
July 05 2011 19:48 GMT
#90
wow only two protosses.. both from samsung
djbhINDI
Profile Joined June 2011
United States372 Posts
July 05 2011 21:05 GMT
#91
On July 02 2011 22:32 jpak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2011 22:12 ZBiR wrote:
Doesn't OSL still have their fair racial distribution group policy? If so, + Show Spoiler [edit: meh, looks like not anymore...] +
we're only gonna have 1 group with 3 zergs and 1 terran, 3 groups with 2 zergs, 1 group with 2 terrans. Tosses obviously in different groups. In other words, each group is 2Z + 1T + 1 of (2P, 1T, 1Z), and hopefully most of the zergs will go down in that stage.


They got rid of that a long time ago. I remember the all-zerg group in ever 2008 osl.

I still don't understand this aversion that so many people have for ZvZ Bo3/5.

Dude, ZvZ is the WORST matchup because it never changes. There are only Mutas, Scourge, and Zerglings involved - EVER. I have not seen a ZvZ in the past year which got out of lair tech - most are just repeats of Muta v. Scourge battles - the only variation we see is when the pool goes down. PvP, while more chancy, is at least entertaining - players actually make different kind of units. TvT is amazingly intense, always gets to late game and tons of units. ZvZ? Boring.
You can't emphasize enough how much you need to be a paradigm shifter. - Savior
hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-05 21:19:31
July 05 2011 21:13 GMT
#92
Roro Zero Polaris rhapsody
type-B Zero match point
hoejja Zero empire of the sun
Great Zero Triatholon
Great soulkey grandline
Great soulkey Circuit Breaker
Jaedong Great Medusa
zero great la mancha
hydra great dante's peak
are some that went beyond muta ling scourge

edit: and ggplay yellow on 815

I do agree with the overall point that TvT is in general a better MU to watch, but you might be selling ZvZ short a bit
Protoss: Best, Paralyze, Jangbi, Nal_Ra || Terran: Oov, Boxer, Fantasy, Hiya|| Zerg: Yellow, Zero
djbhINDI
Profile Joined June 2011
United States372 Posts
July 05 2011 21:14 GMT
#93
Here's to Protoss getting wiped in the next round(which won't happen) and a 4-zerg group(which probably won't happen).
You can't emphasize enough how much you need to be a paradigm shifter. - Savior
Z3kk
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4099 Posts
July 05 2011 21:34 GMT
#94
On July 06 2011 04:48 a7choi wrote:
wow only two protosses.. both from samsung


:S

Gogogo guys!
Failure is not falling down over and over again. Failure is refusing to get back up.
jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
July 05 2011 21:40 GMT
#95
@djbhINDI I advise you and anyone else who think ZvZ is just muta ling scourge to read these:

Learn to Watch ZvZ by Shark Part 1

Learn to Watch ZvZ by Shark Part 2

On July 06 2011 06:13 hacklebeast wrote:
Roro Zero Polaris rhapsody
type-B Zero match point
hoejja Zero empire of the sun
Great Zero Triatholon
Great soulkey grandline
Great soulkey Circuit Breaker
Jaedong Great Medusa
zero great la mancha
hydra great dante's peak
are some that went beyond muta ling scourge

edit: and ggplay yellow on 815

I do agree with the overall point that TvT is in general a better MU to watch, but you might be selling ZvZ short a bit


Don't forget Jaedong vs Yellow:

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jaQi
Profile Joined December 2010
1121 Posts
July 05 2011 22:00 GMT
#96
lol. Only two protoss'? Haha and one of them was seeded, I bet Stork would have been eliminated if he had to go through prelims. I don't see any protoss winning an individual league soon.. :/
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
July 05 2011 22:48 GMT
#97
Jangbi, the chosen one, the last of the Kong line. gogogog
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djbhINDI
Profile Joined June 2011
United States372 Posts
July 05 2011 23:00 GMT
#98
On July 06 2011 06:40 jpak wrote:
@djbhINDI I advise you and anyone else who think ZvZ is just muta ling scourge to read these:

Learn to Watch ZvZ by Shark Part 1

Learn to Watch ZvZ by Shark Part 2

Show nested quote +
On July 06 2011 06:13 hacklebeast wrote:
Roro Zero Polaris rhapsody
type-B Zero match point
hoejja Zero empire of the sun
Great Zero Triatholon
Great soulkey grandline
Great soulkey Circuit Breaker
Jaedong Great Medusa
zero great la mancha
hydra great dante's peak
are some that went beyond muta ling scourge

edit: and ggplay yellow on 815

I do agree with the overall point that TvT is in general a better MU to watch, but you might be selling ZvZ short a bit


Don't forget Jaedong vs Yellow:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZtJNG-Bzpo

A) Wow, 10 games? How many ZvZ's' have been played during this time period? Did you know that providing counterexamples to a general assumption is a logical fallacy? I've seen >25 recent ZvZ, nothing but Mutaling/Scourge.

B) As far as Shark's articles, the fact that larvae are involved in production still doesn't make the game any better.

C) Nothing you've said shows that ZvZ is more interesting than any other matchup. Doesn't matter if it's good or not - the reason we don't want ZvZ is because any other single matchhup is more exciting. Especially in a Bo3 or Bo5. TvT gets into late game almost always, and while PvP tiruns into something of a coin flip rock-paper-scissors, at least it's not a rock-rock game 90% of the time.

D) One player, Great, is involved in 60% of the games you mentioned...he himself said that he wants to lead the trend out of "boring" ZvZ. Unfortunately, that doesn't really help the situation - only 4 times has any other player decided to break out of this trend. This and common sense dictates that there is no denying that ZvZ is 1) Boring and/or 2) The most boring. And all of this provides more than enough reason against any ZvZ BoX.
You can't emphasize enough how much you need to be a paradigm shifter. - Savior
hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
July 05 2011 23:30 GMT
#99
Your entitled to your opinion. But instead of looking at my post as an attack on what you think, look at it as an invitation to watch some really cool games that, by your own account, you haven't seen yet.

Ironically, in most of those great games he went hive in response to his opponent going hive first.
Protoss: Best, Paralyze, Jangbi, Nal_Ra || Terran: Oov, Boxer, Fantasy, Hiya|| Zerg: Yellow, Zero
Z3kk
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4099 Posts
July 05 2011 23:35 GMT
#100
I wouldn't call ZvZ the hands-down most boring, though. It may be a bit subjective, but I find TvT the most boring regardless of--or perhaps because of--its usual progression into lategame...
Failure is not falling down over and over again. Failure is refusing to get back up.
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