On May 14 2011 10:14 Z3kk wrote: I hope JD cements his power rank position by thoroughly trouncing Bisu in an epic display of genius and aggression. :>
Nah, just hoping for a good series. I always hope the match goes to 7 games Though with Oz it's oftentimes either a strong win or 0-4/1-4...
Unfortunately at the moment, Jaedong's ZvP appears to be incredibly shaky.
His loss to Horang2 demonstrates a loss in understanding the overall matchup compared to his stellar ZvT and the fact that Grape has such a huge leeway in the beginning of his MSL game again depicts a not so confident tyrant in the Protoss sector. In the end, Jaedong won becuase of experience but the beginning was just rather uninspiring.
On May 14 2011 10:14 Z3kk wrote: I hope JD cements his power rank position by thoroughly trouncing Bisu in an epic display of genius and aggression. :>
Nah, just hoping for a good series. I always hope the match goes to 7 games Though with Oz it's oftentimes either a strong win or 0-4/1-4...
Unfortunately at the moment, Jaedong's ZvP appears to be incredibly shaky.
His loss to Horang2 demonstrates a loss in understanding the overall matchup compared to his stellar ZvT and the fact that Grape has such a huge leeway in the beginning of his MSL game again depicts a not so confident tyrant in the Protoss sector. In the end, Jaedong won becuase of experience but the beginning was just rather uninspiring.
I feel like he may have been trying to hide his vP tactics vs Horang2 with ro8 vs Grape only a day or two away. But yeah, that game was terribad.
On May 14 2011 10:14 Z3kk wrote: I hope JD cements his power rank position by thoroughly trouncing Bisu in an epic display of genius and aggression. :>
Nah, just hoping for a good series. I always hope the match goes to 7 games Though with Oz it's oftentimes either a strong win or 0-4/1-4...
Unfortunately at the moment, Jaedong's ZvP appears to be incredibly shaky.
His loss to Horang2 demonstrates a loss in understanding the overall matchup compared to his stellar ZvT and the fact that Grape has such a huge leeway in the beginning of his MSL game again depicts a not so confident tyrant in the Protoss sector. In the end, Jaedong won becuase of experience but the beginning was just rather uninspiring.
Or maybe the sickness clouded his decision-making, who knows.
for oz to have a chance in this match, jaedong has to match up against fantasy. Some oz toss has to match against bisu and killer or some zerg has to match up against the skt toss.
Can't see a match up like this and not hope for a Bisu vs Jaedong. Though if Fantasy brings his A game he'd make a good match against JD, who's vT has been looking stellar.
I think SKT is going to roll this to be honest though. Their rookies are performing well, and Bisu is looking better than ever with his vZ which is bad news for such a zerg heavy team, even if they get to the ace match.
I'm hoping we can see Fantasy vs a queen using zerg though, so we can finally see that build he's been talking about. + Show Spoiler +
On May 14 2011 10:46 erin[go]bragh wrote: Can't see a match up like this and not hope for a Bisu vs Jaedong. Though if Fantasy brings his A game he'd make a good match against JD, who's vT has been looking stellar.
I think SKT is going to roll this to be honest though. Their rookies are performing well, and Bisu is looking better than ever with his vZ which is bad news for such a zerg heavy team, even if they get to the ace match.
I'm hoping we can see Fantasy vs a queen using zerg though, so we can finally see that build he's been talking about. + Show Spoiler +
bio?! :O
I don't think anyone on OZ could possibly use queen play as well as SKZ including Jaedong.
The only match I'm worried about is SKT vs CJ, as CJ is really scary atm, with a lot of their players performing well. vs Oz shouldn't be a big problem, unless they somehow screw up royally.
On May 14 2011 11:32 GeLaar wrote: The only match I'm worried about is SKT vs CJ, as CJ is really scary atm, with a lot of their players performing well. vs Oz shouldn't be a big problem, unless they somehow screw up royally.
I can cleary see SKT loosing this. Fantasy can lose to anyone as this is pro league and we are talking about fantasy. I also think that bisu can lose to jaedong, imo its a 50-50 batlle. But if Bisu and fantasy both lose, skt will be in a really hard position.
On May 14 2011 11:32 GeLaar wrote: The only match I'm worried about is SKT vs CJ, as CJ is really scary atm, with a lot of their players performing well. vs Oz shouldn't be a big problem, unless they somehow screw up royally.
I can cleary see SKT loosing this. Fantasy can lose to anyone as this is pro league and we are talking about fantasy. I also think that bisu can lose to jaedong, imo its a 50-50 batlle. But if Bisu and fantasy both lose, skt will be in a really hard position.
On May 14 2011 11:32 GeLaar wrote: The only match I'm worried about is SKT vs CJ, as CJ is really scary atm, with a lot of their players performing well. vs Oz shouldn't be a big problem, unless they somehow screw up royally.
I can cleary see SKT loosing this. Fantasy can lose to anyone as this is pro league and we are talking about fantasy. I also think that bisu can lose to jaedong, imo its a 50-50 batlle. But if Bisu and fantasy both lose, skt will be in a really hard position.
Also, i'm really hopping for another frotoss game
yeah but oz have jaedong, and sometimes hiya.
and thats it lol. i cant see oz winning this tbh
He was talking about T1's chances relative to a hypothetical CJ game.
On May 14 2011 11:32 GeLaar wrote: The only match I'm worried about is SKT vs CJ, as CJ is really scary atm, with a lot of their players performing well. vs Oz shouldn't be a big problem, unless they somehow screw up royally.
I can cleary see SKT loosing this. Fantasy can lose to anyone as this is pro league and we are talking about fantasy. I also think that bisu can lose to jaedong, imo its a 50-50 batlle. But if Bisu and fantasy both lose, skt will be in a really hard position.
Also, i'm really hopping for another frotoss game
yeah but oz have jaedong, and sometimes hiya.
and thats it lol. i cant see oz winning this tbh
He was talking about T1's chances relative to a hypothetical CJ game.
No, hahaha. i'm talking about todays match. Anyway, I don't know. We will have to wait and see.
Hyia, Jaedong fighting I hope its not onesided like CJ vs OZ Also Im hoping for Bisu to lose, I dont care against who, but if it is by Jaedong hands, Ill be extra pleased. And although Im cheering for OZ, I hope Paralyze manages to play and win. I want fellow afro users to do well.
On May 14 2011 12:16 1Eris1 wrote: hoping for a bj tonight
I see what you did there
The way things have been going this whole PL season, I wouldn't be surprised if this went to an Ace match. SKT's been winning, but there haven't been many dominant performances, and Oz have shown they're damn scary when they're on their game (vs KT anyone?).
GOGO Oz! But seriously, i don't think that skt is in their top shape if they keep having to go to ace match, plus having problems with zergs. Ima say 4-2 Oz
JD not on the bench, he must be in the back talking to the overmind. As much as I love OZ, I just want an epic Jaedong vs Bisu or V Fantasy! Dongjwa fighting ^^
Sunken gets thrown down for Killer at his nat Ling disadvantage for him S2 not mining from his nat though, Killer is, now is Both players at almost the exact same time for Spire 2nd gas getting claimed by Killer
Creep colony from S2 at nat Brought lings back to his nat and has taken 2nd gas Spire is complete NOW! Killer moving lings out, as is S2 Engagement! No Killer sneaks a ling though, almost but the sunken is there Eggs eggs eggs for both players Drone moving out for Killer?! OL spots it
S2 killing off his own lings? Killer losing an OLScourge for S2, but nothing for KIller S2 getting shots off on the drones Takes one scourge hit, but S2 has more Killer has no mutas left All drones getting torn apart
Wow, did I see the s2's scourges swing around from the north instead of behind s2's muta stack to snipe mutas? I was sure killer had that until the scourges came and weren't dodged at all
On May 14 2011 13:23 Release wrote: 25-4 against zerg. And they said oov was scary If Jaedong muta opening, i might just facepalm, fly to korea, and coach him myself.
Jaedong sneaking his drone around, to avoid the probe harass Taking his nat now? N o, decides to move the drone away Bisu might take the Drone... No maybe not
Jaedong trys to run by the warping in cannons but that probe micro managed to by enough time One drone kill to Bisu's woman probe Tyrant has a probe kill of his own, but loses ling Jaedong has his nat and 5 oclock morphing as expos Lair starting
drones being pulled to fight the zealot in JD"s nat, he's losing a nontrivial amount of mining time 2 more lings appear, bisu's zealot takes up a spot behind the minerals 1 zealot at jd's 3rd fighting a few lings, it dies
Zealot getting some harassment at the nat Funnel of lings I think Bisu scouted the 3rd out Yeah he did with a womanlot Lot as the nat still alive Citadel warping and stargate is up Forge spinning Zealot goes down with 2 lings to his name Spire morphing
First sair out Park looks older 4th hatch at the nat choke for Tyrant Sairs miss that one OL, what a hero His brother however... gets killed Scourge out now, flying towards the sairs Lings getting to the nat, as the sunken is morphing in Lots pull out as the sunken morphs in
4 zealots moving towards the 3rd +1 attack complete Bisu committing to this attack, Bisu spots the 5 nat getting taken One lot in the base of Jaedong gets a drone kill DT is out 2nd kill for the zealot 3rd First muta is out....
Bisu taking 12 oclock, his 3rd Bisu looking to attack 3rd again Archon destroying the lings 3 sunkens to defend, but the lots are pocking them away The archon geos down And 5 OL's go down for Jaedong All sunkens are down, but all of the lots are aswell Sairs attacking the mutas GG from Tyrant
On May 14 2011 13:36 Gleen wrote: I don't think that even Jaedong know what happened, Bisu just dominated.
Jaedong's overpool was failed when his nat was taken very late, only 1 zergling got by the cannons, zealot and DT harass, as well as a probe killing a drone, with another suicidal muta attack, and overdroning.
On May 14 2011 13:36 Yxes2211 wrote: JD was on the back foot that entire game... I wish he would stop with the muta stuff...
Incredibile muta+scourge micro and amounts are about the only reliable way to counter neo bisu. teching to lurkers only open up 3rd windows. mutas are the only way to possibly deny both while at the same time threatening the zealot +1 push
On May 14 2011 13:35 Quarz wrote: Well Bisu VS JD is very boring.
just spotted a very sad oz fan
lol no because i know the outcome anyways there is no hype like JvF or something like this. JvsB is like Bisu vs Flash. You know the outcome 90% for sure.
After that epic Sair vs Muta + Scourge battle JD was always going to struggle. Strong performance from KTY, but I'm not convinced JD was at his best - the guy looked pale and pretty damn sick to me.
Bisu still had to execute, and played well, but I think we need to keep things in perspective a little bit (even though Bisu is my favourite player).
Jaedongs current zvp has absolutely NOTHING on Bisu. He looks completely lost.
Letting 1 zealot slip into the main and kill 4 probes because he doesn't want to pull 2 lings back to kill it. And being off with the spore colony timing against a Corsair/DT build in 2011. Woah his zvp is just off since a couple of months (should be enough for Grape though)
On May 14 2011 13:36 Nick_54 wrote: Safe to say Bisu has Jaedong's number lately. Dominating play !!!
Bisu>Jaedong=Flash>Bisu
=Jaedong>Flash (going off of group D and kt vs oz ofc)
well um Jaedong is mainly < Flash but i give him =Flash because Flash has shown foolishness in his play recently. There's no question a real flash vs Jaedong wouldn't end in stomps.
On May 14 2011 13:39 trexbqs wrote: is that me or the game is really 1 side today?
Bisu is getting close to 85% vs zerg this season. Ridiculously good. I can't remember the last lost to a zerg for him. Maybe against shine? His PvZ is like the JvZ of 2009 pre avalon.
On May 14 2011 13:39 Neverhood wrote: Wish one of their games would go to late game....
yeah.. can anybody show me the last good JvB? i haven't been around that long, but the games haven't been that great.
they really should save jd til oz is down 0-3 or something. oz is weak enough as it is and the morale of the players seems to just fall apart after jd loses early.
Also another thing that makes me sad now is that Stork isn't even mentioned in taekbangleessang because his play has just gone down the drain all over the place lol At least B/F/J are still considered reasonably strong.... D:
On May 14 2011 13:39 trexbqs wrote: is that me or the game is really 1 side today?
Bisu is getting close to 85% vs zerg this season. Ridiculously good. I can't remember the last lost to a zerg for him. Maybe against shine? His PvZ is like the JvZ of 2009 pre avalon.
On May 14 2011 13:36 Nick_54 wrote: Safe to say Bisu has Jaedong's number lately. Dominating play !!!
Bisu>Jaedong=Flash>Bisu
=Jaedong>Flash (going off of group D and kt vs oz ofc)
well um Jaedong is mainly < Flash but i give him =Flash because Flash has shown foolishness in his play recently. There's no question a real flash vs Jaedong wouldn't end in stomps.
this i agree with, however in their most recent games, which i was going off of JD has won your right it probably should be =Flash when the real flash shows up but til then JD>Flash (at least let me dream lololol)
On May 14 2011 13:40 darktreb wrote: That was the worst I've ever seen Jaedong get wrecked. Wow, Bisu's PvZ really is amazing (this coming from someone who doesn't like Bisu at all).
That felt like Bisu vs Savior March 3rd, 2007 edition... it was that painful to watch.
JD get always wrecked against Bisu. The games are always the same. Bisu do a timing push with zealots with some harrasment and the games end.
On May 14 2011 13:39 trexbqs wrote: is that me or the game is really 1 side today?
Bisu is getting close to 85% vs zerg this season. Ridiculously good. I can't remember the last lost to a zerg for him. Maybe against shine? His PvZ is like the JvZ of 2009 pre avalon.
How about that ridiculous ACE match vs zero few weeks ago? Man o man.
On May 14 2011 13:39 trexbqs wrote: is that me or the game is really 1 side today?
Bisu is getting close to 85% vs zerg this season. Ridiculously good. I can't remember the last lost to a zerg for him. Maybe against shine? His PvZ is like the JvZ of 2009 pre avalon.
Yes. agree that but his lost to zero about last week?. by the way, thanks.
On May 14 2011 13:38 yiodee wrote: funny to see that lately
Bisu > Jaedong Jaedong > flash flash >bisu
or maybe it is just me
Is there a chance for stork to be placed somewhere on that list?
I don't think Stork's in any shape to be compared to any of those three right now. It's sad, but he needs to get his shit together. He's got the talent; I have no idea why he's slumping so hard.
On May 14 2011 13:39 Neverhood wrote: Wish one of their games would go to late game....
yeah.. can anybody show me the last good JvB? i haven't been around that long, but the games haven't been that great.
they really should save jd til oz is down 0-3 or something. oz is weak enough as it is and the morale of the players seems to just fall apart after jd loses early.
Despite everything, i really like to believe that the 5th set ace match between them when it was still lecaf OZ was quite nice. I believe the map was destination. There was another good match on heartbreak ridge, but i forget when it was played.
On May 14 2011 13:39 trexbqs wrote: is that me or the game is really 1 side today?
Bisu is getting close to 85% vs zerg this season. Ridiculously good. I can't remember the last lost to a zerg for him. Maybe against shine? His PvZ is like the JvZ of 2009 pre avalon.
On May 14 2011 13:39 trexbqs wrote: is that me or the game is really 1 side today?
Bisu is getting close to 85% vs zerg this season. Ridiculously good. I can't remember the last lost to a zerg for him. Maybe against shine? His PvZ is like the JvZ of 2009 pre avalon.
How about that ridiculous ACE match vs zero few weeks ago? Man o man.
On May 14 2011 13:39 Neverhood wrote: Wish one of their games would go to late game....
yeah.. can anybody show me the last good JvB? i haven't been around that long, but the games haven't been that great.
they really should save jd til oz is down 0-3 or something. oz is weak enough as it is and the morale of the players seems to just fall apart after jd loses early.
On May 14 2011 13:39 Neverhood wrote: Wish one of their games would go to late game....
yeah.. can anybody show me the last good JvB? i haven't been around that long, but the games haven't been that great.
they really should save jd til oz is down 0-3 or something. oz is weak enough as it is and the morale of the players seems to just fall apart after jd loses early.
On May 14 2011 13:39 trexbqs wrote: is that me or the game is really 1 side today?
Bisu is getting close to 85% vs zerg this season. Ridiculously good. I can't remember the last lost to a zerg for him. Maybe against shine? His PvZ is like the JvZ of 2009 pre avalon.
On May 14 2011 13:39 Neverhood wrote: Wish one of their games would go to late game....
yeah.. can anybody show me the last good JvB? i haven't been around that long, but the games haven't been that great.
they really should save jd til oz is down 0-3 or something. oz is weak enough as it is and the morale of the players seems to just fall apart after jd loses early.
On May 14 2011 13:39 trexbqs wrote: is that me or the game is really 1 side today?
Bisu is getting close to 85% vs zerg this season. Ridiculously good. I can't remember the last lost to a zerg for him. Maybe against shine? His PvZ is like the JvZ of 2009 pre avalon.
How about that ridiculous ACE match vs zero few weeks ago? Man o man.
I have to watch that. How did he lose?
Zeri just survives all the harass/ prevents it and survives with early 4 bases... and Zero's zvp is just extremely scary in general
On May 14 2011 13:39 trexbqs wrote: is that me or the game is really 1 side today?
Bisu is getting close to 85% vs zerg this season. Ridiculously good. I can't remember the last lost to a zerg for him. Maybe against shine? His PvZ is like the JvZ of 2009 pre avalon.
How about that ridiculous ACE match vs zero few weeks ago? Man o man.
I have to watch that. How did he lose?
Bisu lost mainly because Zero perfected his defenses and Neo-Aztec is a map where Zero can comfortably defend incredibile numbers of hatcheries at singular choke points. Despite having 4 baes and harrassing well, Bisu could only inevitably fall to sauron zerg reloaded.
On May 14 2011 13:39 Neverhood wrote: Wish one of their games would go to late game....
yeah.. can anybody show me the last good JvB? i haven't been around that long, but the games haven't been that great.
they really should save jd til oz is down 0-3 or something. oz is weak enough as it is and the morale of the players seems to just fall apart after jd loses early.
Bisu v Jaedong games are kinda like this despite their hype lol
What usually happens is that someone makes a mistake, then the other guy converts that into a one-sided win. In this case (and apparently most recently) Jaedong slipped up.
So yeah I'm not really ever hyped for Bisu v Jaedong.
*edit2* Oh that one posted by Malinor was pretty good
On May 14 2011 13:45 disciple wrote: the game with the carriers on andromeda is my favorite BvJ
Agreed. The one noted above is a great game to watch, but it was also right after Bisu returned from his sabbatical(or whatever people want to call it), iirc.
On May 14 2011 13:45 disciple wrote: the game with the carriers on andromeda is my favorite BvJ
Agreed. The one noted above is a great game to watch, but it was also right after Bisu returned from his sabbatical(or whatever people want to call it), iirc.
Sabbatical does absolutely no justice to his previous condition lol.
Fantasy with a good number of vultures outside of Lomo's main First wraith of Lomo taking a peak at Fanta, and taking some shots Spidermines are complete MINES TAKE OUT a tank Mines not splashing a ton Lomo does not have any gum!? Fantasy taking out his temple 4 fact for both players Armory for Fanta
lomo adding 3rd and 4th factories, control tower fantasy adding 4th factory, poops a mine at 9 and 6
still one mine there at lomo's nat but he scans and clears it, 5 tanks heading out now clearing mines carefully without scanning but one left outside his nat
Dropship intecept! Or denial AA set up well for Fantasy Battle of the vultures Tanks are pushing into Lomo's vultures aswell, take mine hits Lomo has seige mode before Fantasy Drop successful! Tank and 2 vultures not much damage done Fantasy takes a 3rd at 3, ebay in choke denys vulture harass HUGE MINE
lol, Bisu PL strikes again, I can see SKT knows how prepare for the matches. But I'm still not very sad as long as Bisu is out of MSL, hehehe (diabolic)^^
Both players setting up seige lines Fantasy picking at Lomo's Lomo has his 3rd not, and Ebay block as well Fantasy unseiged, but Lomo pulled back Fantasy taking centre top right Dropship gets taken out by turret Lomo taking centre bottom left
On May 14 2011 13:58 Z3kk wrote: Man I wish something revolutionary about TvT might someday be discovered so that they can be fast, furious, and without long positional grindfests :<
Though with their units, such games do seem inevitable...maybe someday hehe
We're currently in the middle of transitioning to a more rapid wraith obsession.
Lomo shelling Fanta's 4th base mineral line Fantasy moving down towards 6 oclock Lomo with a small force Fanta with most of his army Fantasy produving wraiths Valk and wraith for Lomo
how did fantasy totally miscalculate positioning when he's been winning army battles? his army clears out lomo's tanks on center-SE now moving west along the south
fantasy with a pretty large force near 6, now he unsieges and moves to attack lomo's units S of the center lomo has so few ground units, but now moving some in response
fantasy sieges up a bunch of tanks standoff s of center-SW
lomo flies a few air units over the place without using them
fantasy's scvs idle at 4.5 main, but now they start mining
lomo's wraiths netting quite a few tank kills N of center fantasy adding a few goliaths I'd like to see an alternative to contesting wraiths and fantasy is pretty ahead
his units moving towards lomo's units at 10.5 nat
lomo tries a mine surround but it doesn't do much damage, fantasy' now clear to move towards assaulting lomo's 5th except for mines
Huge engagement at 12 oclock ish Lomo loses all but his tanks, 3 of them Lomo gets wiped out, has a bit of a minefield towards his 10.5 base, but proper scans nulify them +1 air attack for Lomo Loses a few of his wraiths
lomo finally transferring scvs to his 6th, fantasy moving a huge force towards the center, lomo ready with responding forces, takes out most of fantasy's goliaths with his tanks fantasy lost more in that engagement I think
vultures raid 9, not too many scvs there
but lomo has a few tanks and vultures raiding 4.5 nat, but fantasy' clears it quickly, at some cost or not, lomo has more tanks following up, fantasy losing a lot of scvs
lomo's cloaked wraiths pick off 2 of fantasy's dropships before fleeing from the 4 goliaths post-scan
On May 14 2011 13:38 yiodee wrote: funny to see that lately
Bisu > Jaedong Jaedong > flash flash >bisu
or maybe it is just me
so among top players Z>T, P>Z, T>P is the trend now..
"Top players" seems a bit broad. It's like that among these three guys only.
yeah that's what i meant
...So about stork...
Seems Stork suffers the same inherent matchup "imbalances" as lower tier players (PvZ) but is on average equal footing against TLS.
Well, according to TLPD he has a winning record against all three, but at the moment I'm pretty sure that any of the 3 would stomp stork...Jaedong might lose if stork did something weird and his game were not on, and Bisu might lose since his P mirror is sort of random, but right now I do not think Stork has a very good chance at all...
How is lomo v fanta shaping up? Would any of you say one or the other is ahead? :X
lomo's wraiths arrive at 4.5 after fantasy's pull away they attack scvs at 4.5 and 4.5 nat instead fantasy's wraiths attacking lomo's tank line near 10.5, lots of tanks picked off
CC at the nat goes down 9 oclock is exposed, Lomo pulls scvs from centre bottom left 6 oclock has a Lomo expo, but forced lift 7 starports from Fanta I think Lomo getting inposition to take out 5, but Fanta with so many wraiths
I hope Lomo keeps coming out... Honestly he has been playing better TvT than Hiya has and been less dominated than JD in the last 2 matches. And he's been playing much better players
fantasy's established his own tank line outside 3 and has a ton of wraiths there he engages lomo's air and ground force even though lomo has valks and goliaths he loses, fantasy lost a ton of wraiths though
Fantasy was so patient holding his Wraiths back until had the critical mass he was after. Really punished Lomo when he committed his forces to the right.
On May 14 2011 14:17 POWEROUTAGE wrote: This air-heavy style TvT must take an incredible amount of multitasking and mechanical ability to pull off...
Very exciting to watch though.
Fantasy wins, pretty good game to watch.
I think it's really just beltway that's making this air heavy style so popular. So much high and low ground and the useless center mineral only's that you don't need the extra land army to fight over.
Both sunken colonys go down oov laughing Pool getting picked off by the sunken colony, now an egg and now the hatchery Two more Creep Colonys get planted down
Third Creep colony Ling micro, makes Princess lose all but 2 lings Pirncess gets a sunken in, but loses it Soo loses his sunkens, smartly made some drones. I think?
This is Soo's game... Spires half way complete for both players Princess trying to break out Breaks out with his lings, both playesr with air force on the way" Scourge for Princess Muta's for Soo Muta scourge for Soo, no AA in the main exept for the scourge
How can anyone like this team? Look at those coaches being a couple of smug fucks the entire time. Enjoy your #1 spot. It won't matter when you get destroyed in the grand finals by CJ or KT or some other team.
On May 14 2011 14:40 DarkMatter_ wrote: How can anyone like this team? Look at those coaches being a couple of smug fucks the entire time. Enjoy your #1 spot. It won't matter when you get destroyed in the grand finals by CJ or KT or some other team.
I didn't see the games (showed up late) but i'm going to turn to blind fanboyism and say that JD purposely didn't use any real strat b/c he has important ZvPs in the MSL coming up. Please tell me i'm right.
Feels like a while since SKT won so conclusively. Unfortunately Oz weren't on their game tonight, but I'm sure they'll be strong as ever soon. Just need to look after the talismanic JD.
On May 14 2011 14:40 DarkMatter_ wrote: How can anyone like this team? Look at those coaches being a couple of smug fucks the entire time. Enjoy your #1 spot. It won't matter when you get destroyed in the grand finals by CJ or KT or some other team.
On May 14 2011 14:40 DarkMatter_ wrote: How can anyone like this team? Look at those coaches being a couple of smug fucks the entire time. Enjoy your #1 spot. It won't matter when you get destroyed in the grand finals by CJ or KT or some other team.
Hahaha well iloveoov can look smug as much as he pleases considering who he is
On May 14 2011 14:41 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: Thanks for the thread and streams.
Feels like a while since SKT won so conclusively. Unfortunately Oz weren't on their game tonight, but I'm sure they'll be strong as ever soon. Just need to look after the talismanic JD.
you know.. i keep hearing about how "strong" oz used to be. but as far as i know they haven't been anywhere near a PL championship since they were named lecaf.. which was years ago.
On May 14 2011 14:40 DarkMatter_ wrote: How can anyone like this team? Look at those coaches being a couple of smug fucks the entire time. Enjoy your #1 spot. It won't matter when you get destroyed in the grand finals by CJ or KT or some other team.
i notice your icon
Is it salty? (can't see it because I have icons turned off)
Oh yeah, thanks to all of the awesome streamers as usual, and to Zona for making the thread! Yay SKT, now I can sleep in peace tonight with a solid victory.
On May 14 2011 14:41 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: Thanks for the thread and streams.
Feels like a while since SKT won so conclusively. Unfortunately Oz weren't on their game tonight, but I'm sure they'll be strong as ever soon. Just need to look after the talismanic JD.
you know.. i keep hearing about how "strong" oz used to be. but as far as i know they haven't been anywhere near a PL championship since they were named lecaf.. which was years ago.
Well it seems like their coaches are not very good, They are really good in WInner League but regular pro league even Ace seems better.Two times they have managed to faca J versus B, what you try to avoid. They dont prepare properly. The coaching staff by SKT1 is very good. They always seems to know what the other coaches think and know what their player are capable of.
On May 14 2011 14:54 _Quasar_ wrote: fuck, JD really needs to change ZvP strats. What, 12387162349876234th loss to Bisu in SPL, and still no change...
did jaedong do the same muta strategy? If so he seriously needs too stop doing that :D
Yes. I think Zerg should seriously start building queen after a first pack of muta. They simply fuck it all up to corsairs now. What profit do you gain if your muta is basically fucking dead?
Also... I kind of feel that... 4 base play isn't a good option when you over-pool??? That early larva disadvantage might kind of count.
JD's Elo is now below 2300 while Bisu is about to peak his vT and vZ (his win in this match over JD earns him 8 points in Elo and he is 2 point short to peak).
On May 14 2011 16:39 chisuri wrote: JD's Elo is now below 2300 while Bisu is about to peak his vT and vZ (his win in this match over JD earns him 8 points in Elo and he is 2 point short to peak).
when i go to look up someone in tlpd it always looks in some random database. is there some option so i can change it back to normal? Also bisu is coming up on flash. when did flash fall so far below 2400?
On May 14 2011 14:41 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: Thanks for the thread and streams.
Feels like a while since SKT won so conclusively. Unfortunately Oz weren't on their game tonight, but I'm sure they'll be strong as ever soon. Just need to look after the talismanic JD.
you know.. i keep hearing about how "strong" oz used to be. but as far as i know they haven't been anywhere near a PL championship since they were named lecaf.. which was years ago.
Oz reached the SPL 08-09 Grand Finals and managed to take T1 to the Ace match on Day 2. But other than that Oz pretty much failed as a team imo
Why the fuck did Oz sell ForGG, gimped them so much.. Oz's situation is the equivalent of losing Fantasy (ForGG), having Best slump even harder (Lomo) and having their rookies totally fail nowadays..
On May 14 2011 14:40 DarkMatter_ wrote: How can anyone like this team? Look at those coaches being a couple of smug fucks the entire time. Enjoy your #1 spot. It won't matter when you get destroyed in the grand finals by CJ or KT or some other team.
Come now, we were allies in "The Elephant In The Room" before
On May 14 2011 14:40 DarkMatter_ wrote: How can anyone like this team? Look at those coaches being a couple of smug fucks the entire time. Enjoy your #1 spot. It won't matter when you get destroyed in the grand finals by CJ or KT or some other team.
On May 14 2011 14:40 DarkMatter_ wrote: How can anyone like this team? Look at those coaches being a couple of smug fucks the entire time. Enjoy your #1 spot. It won't matter when you get destroyed in the grand finals by CJ or KT or some other team.
lol ever since that dude who I will not name said SKT is getting so many undeserved wins everyone is jumping the bandwagon.:p
On May 14 2011 18:42 HighTemper wrote: BvZ is unreal. Bisu is definitely playing a different race when all other Protoss fall against the swarm.
BvZ in 2011 is 17 wins / 3 losses (85%) according to TLPD
27 / 5 in PL10-11 incl. WL that is.. not bad :D
Unfortunately BvJ was the only interesting game, when it is SKT1 vs Oz and we were not able to see it twice today. Never the less Oz is a bit slumping right now, hope they make a comeback definitely want to see them at the grand finals. Gogogo Oz!
On May 14 2011 14:40 DarkMatter_ wrote: How can anyone like this team? Look at those coaches being a couple of smug fucks the entire time. Enjoy your #1 spot. It won't matter when you get destroyed in the grand finals by CJ or KT or some other team.
On May 14 2011 13:39 Neverhood wrote: Wish one of their games would go to late game....
yeah.. can anybody show me the last good JvB? i haven't been around that long, but the games haven't been that great.
they really should save jd til oz is down 0-3 or something. oz is weak enough as it is and the morale of the players seems to just fall apart after jd loses early.
On May 14 2011 18:42 HighTemper wrote: BvZ is unreal. Bisu is definitely playing a different race when all other Protoss fall against the swarm.
BvZ in 2011 is 17 wins / 3 losses (85%) according to TLPD
27 / 5 in PL10-11 incl. WL that is.. not bad :D
Unfortunately BvJ was the only interesting game, when it is SKT1 vs Oz and we were not able to see it twice today. Never the less Oz is a bit slumping right now, hope they make a comeback definitely want to see them at the grand finals. Gogogo Oz!
27/4 not 5. He lost to Action, Hydra, JD and Zero. Yup I can remember each of his losses. That's how good he is. And his PvT is 17/3 or something with losses to Flash, Leta and Hiya. Just for your reference.
On May 14 2011 17:28 ArvickHero wrote: Why the fuck did Oz sell ForGG, gimped them so much.. Oz's situation is the equivalent of losing Fantasy (ForGG), having Best slump even harder (Lomo) and having their rookies totally fail nowadays..
btw. Has there been any news about ForGG returning to the scene or whats up with him these days?
Did Jaedong go muta again? I bet he did, why does he always do it. It's awful and doesn't even look comfortable against bad P players. He's just totally out of this matchup it seems, it hurts him that he rarely plays against P in proleague while Bisu can play PvZ as much as he wants with good backup in the team. Not to mention superior practice partners.
Just think how little Jaedong has had to actually play vP in the past year or so. Even in bo5's against Stork and Snow it was scrappy play (although it still was a good series vs Snow), ZerO or Calm in his ZvP prime were looking much more comfortable than this. It's all very well practicing vT cause i'm guessing he really wants to be able to beat Flash in the MSL, but he's sacrificed his other matchups it seriously looks like.
Also for the rest of the team, Lomo is useless now. Play sHy and Sky! And it's disappointing proleague is already resorting to so many mirrors all the time.
I don't think JD "lost" his sense for ZvP, most of his last losses against P are coming from Bisu and as a Zerg player it is allowed to lose against Bisu, that means nothing. Most of his last ZvP he did won, so I don't think he has to change some things in general in his ZvP, he just has to prepare something special against Bisu, but that holds for every Zerg, instead of banking on his natural pure skill. (just my opinion)
meh, it's hard to get worse mu's than we got tonight. s2 gets killer instead of lomo or hiya, Jaedong gets the only person with a reasonable chance of beating him, fantasy doesn't get a zerg and princess doesn't get a p. People give far to much credit to skt1 for being a "deep" team and to little to the coaching staff
On May 14 2011 16:39 chisuri wrote: JD's Elo is now below 2300 while Bisu is about to peak his vT and vZ (his win in this match over JD earns him 8 points in Elo and he is 2 point short to peak).
when i go to look up someone in tlpd it always looks in some random database. is there some option so i can change it back to normal? Also bisu is coming up on flash. when did flash fall so far below 2400?
2400 is impossible to keep. You win, get probably one point max, two points maybe to #2 or #3, and when you lose you probably lose like 15 points or some crazy number.
Tbh its nothing special that jd lost to bisu. Jd didnt play lot of zvp lately he wasnt preparing that much for this mu, bisu plays a lot of pvz and its obviously strongest mu atm. Jd's worst mu is zvp atm he play lot of zvt games and its where he shine. Like someone earlier said jd dont play good vs p in proleague its like bisu failing at individual leagues.
I think if JD was actually in a situation where he regularly played P in PL it wouldn't be so bad, but it's rare. The other teams always send out T/Z against him.
On May 14 2011 16:39 chisuri wrote: JD's Elo is now below 2300 while Bisu is about to peak his vT and vZ (his win in this match over JD earns him 8 points in Elo and he is 2 point short to peak).
when i go to look up someone in tlpd it always looks in some random database. is there some option so i can change it back to normal? Also bisu is coming up on flash. when did flash fall so far below 2400?
2400 is impossible to keep. You win, get probably one point max, two points maybe to #2 or #3, and when you lose you probably lose like 15 points or some crazy number.
wtf jaedong losing to bisu while doing that expo muta scourge ling strat again. zero played that style perfectly against bisu while jd doesnt seem to be able to do it properly.
On May 15 2011 01:45 wassbix wrote: So JD > Flash > Bisu > JD
The weird stuff is that it means Z>T>P>Z.
Can't really compare across a couple of Bo1 to make that conclusion.
It was more of a light-hearted comment because in the past month Flash can't beat Jaedong who can't beat Bisu who can't beat Flash. He wouldn't honestly mean that
On May 15 2011 01:45 wassbix wrote: So JD > Flash > Bisu > JD
The weird stuff is that it means Z>T>P>Z.
Can't really compare across a couple of Bo1 to make that conclusion.
It was more of a light-hearted comment because in the past month Flash can't beat Jaedong who can't beat Bisu who can't beat Flash. He wouldn't honestly mean that
Haha i just was poking fun at the fan boy wars that's been going on cause of the triangular relationship recently
All 3 have been playing BW at an insane level though and boy its fun to watch
Just saw the BvJ game. That was a rape like srsly......
Yeah... wasn't even close at any point. Jaedong even dropped down to 0 overlords at one point. 0 overlords...
But, in the interest of fanboying, Bisu prepared specifically for Jaedong on specifically that map with specifically that build for what I only assume was a few days, since nobody on Oz can realistically expect to take down Bisu when Bisu plays standard, except for JD. So it was an absolutely fantastic snipe/rape/whateveryouwannacallit by the best vZ player on the planet at the moment.
Two things though, 1. Jaedong needs to stop doing that build or fix whatever is wrong with it and 2. needs to just start cheesing Bisu more or do something that's not so passive in the early game. Surprise him.
One thing I don't understand though, how did Killer lose so magnificently to s2? Same builds and the only difference was the few scourge s2 made. Was that it?