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iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
May 11 2011 04:44 GMT
#161
Does anyone notice that horang2 does the same shit almost every game, every matchup? Some type of mass-gateway 2 base push that usually works very well.
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-11 04:45:10
May 11 2011 04:44 GMT
#162
On May 11 2011 13:40 chongu wrote:
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On May 11 2011 13:37 loveeholicce wrote:
Jaedong was mining 3 bases with a 4th starting to get saturated. I come back after making a sandwich and hes lost his main and his natural. Any1 care to explain wat happened? oO


Jaedong pretty much went for his mutalisk timing.... against 5 corsairs and 2 canons. so that failed badly... Jaedong knew he was behind, so he tried it again (?) and managed to snipe the nexus. Meanwhile, protoss had amassed a large 2 base army (no hts only archons) and just pushed jaedong's nat breaking like 10 sunkens.

It was the type of attack movie mentioned horang2 does vZ.
I think he said pretech timings where protoss can get it done by using mass gateways.

On May 11 2011 13:44 iamho wrote:
Does anyone notice that horang2 does the same shit almost every game, every matchup? Some type of mass-gateway 2 base push that usually works very well.

If it works, do it. Players are greedy. The build is agressive.
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Tenhou
Profile Joined April 2011
1052 Posts
May 11 2011 04:45 GMT
#163
On May 11 2011 13:37 loveeholicce wrote:
Jaedong was mining 3 bases with a 4th starting to get saturated. I come back after making a sandwich and hes lost his main and his natural. Any1 care to explain wat happened? oO


Too busy hardcore mutaing it up and got not much troops to defend 8gateway worth of units production at the time. Horang2 loses his main nexus and all the probes there + his 3rd nexus just to kill Jaedong's main and natural then put the 2 nexus back safely while jaedong was stuck in his 3rd and 4th with only muta for map control.
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32277 Posts
May 11 2011 04:45 GMT
#164
On May 11 2011 13:37 Release wrote:
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On May 11 2011 13:36 IntoTheWow wrote:
horang2 4 bonjwa 2011

um no. Put him against flash, and 10 times out of 10 flash will win. Jaedong was just being notoriously greedy, not starting hydra production until very very late.


what are you talkin about hroang2 just beat jaedong he can beat anyone right now
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Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
May 11 2011 04:45 GMT
#165
On May 11 2011 13:43 BlackMagister wrote:
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On May 11 2011 13:40 qrs wrote:
On May 11 2011 13:37 BlackMagister wrote:
Horang2 > Jaedong without cheese
Horang2's not really known for cheese anymore.

I know this, I'm a big Horang2 fan, but if you told me Horang2 beat Jaedong I would assume cheese because Horang2 has not shown any good PvZ games yet. Well maybe if Horang2 does his 10 gateway attack, but that's about it.

I like horang2, but does he ever do anything other than mass gates vZ?
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okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
May 11 2011 04:46 GMT
#166
On May 11 2011 13:44 iamho wrote:
Does anyone notice that horang2 does the same shit almost every game, every matchup? Some type of mass-gateway 2 base push that usually works very well.

I'm not complaining. As long as his opponents don't learn, it leads to good games.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
Yxes2211
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1587 Posts
May 11 2011 04:46 GMT
#167
On May 11 2011 13:44 NobleHelium wrote:
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On May 11 2011 13:37 Yxes2211 wrote:
Fantasy gg timing.... Shit... hopefully JD does something about his vP between now and tomorrow...


Eh, that's only the first game. There's plenty of time.


I know, but I still don't want him falling a game behind in the series.
Jaedong and Baby
Tenhou
Profile Joined April 2011
1052 Posts
May 11 2011 04:46 GMT
#168
On May 11 2011 13:45 IntoTheWow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2011 13:37 Release wrote:
On May 11 2011 13:36 IntoTheWow wrote:
horang2 4 bonjwa 2011

um no. Put him against flash, and 10 times out of 10 flash will win. Jaedong was just being notoriously greedy, not starting hydra production until very very late.


what are you talkin about hroang2 just beat jaedong he can beat anyone right now


Not to mention Flash just lose to Much recently with that heavy gateway style of play.
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
May 11 2011 04:47 GMT
#169
On May 11 2011 13:45 Elyvilon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2011 13:43 BlackMagister wrote:
On May 11 2011 13:40 qrs wrote:
On May 11 2011 13:37 BlackMagister wrote:
Horang2 > Jaedong without cheese
Horang2's not really known for cheese anymore.

I know this, I'm a big Horang2 fan, but if you told me Horang2 beat Jaedong I would assume cheese because Horang2 has not shown any good PvZ games yet. Well maybe if Horang2 does his 10 gateway attack, but that's about it.

I like horang2, but does he ever do anything other than mass gates vZ?

Probably not if you only count games he has won. Fans can notice Horang2's shaky PvZ and Horang2 admits it's his weakness.
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
May 11 2011 04:47 GMT
#170
On May 11 2011 13:45 Elyvilon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2011 13:43 BlackMagister wrote:
On May 11 2011 13:40 qrs wrote:
On May 11 2011 13:37 BlackMagister wrote:
Horang2 > Jaedong without cheese
Horang2's not really known for cheese anymore.

I know this, I'm a big Horang2 fan, but if you told me Horang2 beat Jaedong I would assume cheese because Horang2 has not shown any good PvZ games yet. Well maybe if Horang2 does his 10 gateway attack, but that's about it.

I like horang2, but does he ever do anything other than mass gates vZ?

if its working well and other players dont counter it, i see no reason not to do it
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Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
May 11 2011 04:47 GMT
#171
On May 11 2011 13:45 IntoTheWow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2011 13:37 Release wrote:
On May 11 2011 13:36 IntoTheWow wrote:
horang2 4 bonjwa 2011

um no. Put him against flash, and 10 times out of 10 flash will win. Jaedong was just being notoriously greedy, not starting hydra production until very very late.


what are you talkin about hroang2 just beat jaedong he can beat anyone right now

Jaedong played uh Badly
Suicide overlord into cannon is almost free overlord kill for first corsair.
Scourge micro was less than sub-par
Scouting was non-existant.
Scourge muta timing was terrible.
Base trade only works when you end up ahead on bases as a zerg, not even.

Watch Jaedong vs Kal @ nate MSL for top level play. This is far from it.
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NobleHelium
Profile Joined May 2010
United States82 Posts
May 11 2011 04:47 GMT
#172
On May 11 2011 13:46 Yxes2211 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2011 13:44 NobleHelium wrote:
On May 11 2011 13:37 Yxes2211 wrote:
Fantasy gg timing.... Shit... hopefully JD does something about his vP between now and tomorrow...


Eh, that's only the first game. There's plenty of time.


I know, but I still don't want him falling a game behind in the series.


Not sure if many people would mind Jaedong getting another LWWW. Heh.
Yxes2211
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1587 Posts
May 11 2011 04:48 GMT
#173
Sweeeeeet Killer vs Hydra
Jaedong and Baby
telamascope
Profile Joined April 2010
United States310 Posts
May 11 2011 04:48 GMT
#174
Killer vs Hydra rematch!
lyAsakura
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1414 Posts
May 11 2011 04:48 GMT
#175
Killer vs Hydra.
WeMade FOX would be a deadly SC2 team.
trexbqs
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia1731 Posts
May 11 2011 04:48 GMT
#176
its killer vs hydra.
Learn,live and love it.
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
May 11 2011 04:49 GMT
#177
On May 11 2011 13:47 NobleHelium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2011 13:46 Yxes2211 wrote:
On May 11 2011 13:44 NobleHelium wrote:
On May 11 2011 13:37 Yxes2211 wrote:
Fantasy gg timing.... Shit... hopefully JD does something about his vP between now and tomorrow...


Eh, that's only the first game. There's plenty of time.


I know, but I still don't want him falling a game behind in the series.


Not sure if many people would mind Jaedong getting another LWWW. Heh.

The 2009 strat. I like it, but in 2011 Jaedong has done LLWWL.
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Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
May 11 2011 04:49 GMT
#178
On May 11 2011 13:40 Release wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2011 13:38 King K. Rool wrote:
On May 11 2011 13:37 Release wrote:
On May 11 2011 13:36 IntoTheWow wrote:
horang2 4 bonjwa 2011

um no. Put him against flash right now, and 10 times out of 10 flash will win. Jaedong was just being notoriously greedy, not starting hydra production until very very late.

r u for rela bro

he had a few hydras when horang's attack came.

and yes. Flash scouts his opponents, and building enough factories, and enough supply depot walls.

Flash started his bonjwa deep into 2009.


if flash is a bonjwa how come jaedong beat him? therefore jaedong = new bonjwa
if jaedong is bonjwa how come horang2 beat him?

therefore horang2 is bonjwa, basic logic
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32277 Posts
May 11 2011 04:49 GMT
#179
On May 11 2011 13:47 Release wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2011 13:45 IntoTheWow wrote:
On May 11 2011 13:37 Release wrote:
On May 11 2011 13:36 IntoTheWow wrote:
horang2 4 bonjwa 2011

um no. Put him against flash, and 10 times out of 10 flash will win. Jaedong was just being notoriously greedy, not starting hydra production until very very late.


what are you talkin about hroang2 just beat jaedong he can beat anyone right now

Jaedong played uh Badly
Suicide overlord into cannon is almost free overlord kill for first corsair.
Scourge micro was less than sub-par
Scouting was non-existant.
Scourge muta timing was terrible.
Base trade only works when you end up ahead on bases as a zerg, not even.

Watch Jaedong vs Kal @ nate MSL for top level play. This is far from it.


Kal is really bad he has a horrible record in his last 30 games.

On the other hand horang2 is too good. You know what the "2" in horang2 stands for? "2good".
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VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3615 Posts
May 11 2011 04:50 GMT
#180
Killer sets out to bring down his master's nemesis... okay that's overly dramatic but life is more fun with drama.
#4427 || I am not going to scan a ferret.
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