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Hello all, Further whining about the Ace match will result in strict punishments. Time stamp 05:08 KST. Thank you. Empyrean | ||
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Taekwon
United States8155 Posts
c u vs stx t1 | ||
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_Quasar_
Russian Federation4405 Posts
On May 04 2011 16:45 Geographer wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/WIgdR.jpg) Look at that mini-map, you can see yellow lines from each of ZerO's bases. It's like he was rallying them to entry of Bisu's natural. Yeah he was. Especially lol is the moment when they show lings just running past the templar standing aside and smoking a cigar in the zerg's base. :D But, at this point, Zero had already won this de-facto.  | ||
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QuickStriker
United States3694 Posts
On May 04 2011 16:48 Taekwon wrote: gg c u vs stx t1 I believe them vsing Samsung comes first? But yea... STX vs SKT should be good.. | ||
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Turbovolver
Australia2449 Posts
On May 04 2011 16:43 QuickStriker wrote: That game... what ssak did in that game was just... ugh... I mean really, did he really thought he'll defend mutas with some weird bunker placement, really late turrets and some goliaths? Not to mention, he didn't put RINES IN THE BUNKER! They weren't really late turrets, he had no hope holding off "faster than 2 hatch" mutas with 14cc into 2fac, end of story. | ||
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Lucumo
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Murderotica
Vatican City State2594 Posts
On May 04 2011 16:50 Turbovolver wrote: They weren't really late turrets, he had no hope holding off "faster than 2 hatch" mutas with 14cc into 2fac, end of story. I disagree he had only one turret up at each key location when ideally you should have 2 especially vs 2 hatch with mech, this is coming from what I perceived from games as I don't play Terran well so I might be wrong but it seemed that way to me. Also really high. | ||
Milkis
5003 Posts
kind of ridiculous. But it's still not as bad as the SKT fans QQing and "blaming" their players for losing. The fuck? Just accept the loss instead of thrashing your own team. The hell. | ||
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Legatus Lanius
2135 Posts
On May 04 2011 16:47 Seraphic wrote: well at least Bisu's vZ record is still up there. What is it now btw? one less than it was before? | ||
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Murderotica
Vatican City State2594 Posts
On May 04 2011 16:45 ArvickHero wrote: Aztec is sooo Zerg favored if Protoss goes for conventional PvZ style, since Zerg can get 6 bases and Protoss can't break it, which the Zerg then plagues the Protoss to death (along with swarm/lurker/ling/ultra/hydra) that being said, the map calls for a new strategy of PvZ. Seems like the map makers intended to allow Protoss/Terrans to keep Zerg in check by making the mains easily harassable and the cliffs, but that's.. really not enough. I really do think the best way to have played on this map was to get Arbiters for recall (which Bisu could've afforded easily, being on 5 base and all). Bisu would've been able to take out at least both mains with recall.. I also don't think this is the case. I think Zero just played beautifully and Bisu had too many zeals for far too long and strangely few archon/reaver and I saw so many HT die after just one engagement. | ||
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chisuri
Vietnam789 Posts
On May 04 2011 16:58 Milkis wrote: i love how bisu loses and everyone goes "ZvP imba", not just here but on korean sites too. Oh, and the map blaming. psh. kind of ridiculous. But it's still not as bad as the SKT fans QQing and "blaming" their players for losing. The fuck? Just accept the loss instead of thrashing your own team. The hell. There is a reason for everything. Bisu vZ is better than FvZ and JvZ. Enough said. | ||
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Cres
United States227 Posts
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chisuri
Vietnam789 Posts
On May 04 2011 16:59 Murderotica wrote: I also don't think this is the case. I think Zero just played beautifully and Bisu had too many zeals for far too long and strangely few archon/reaver and I saw so many HT die after just one engagement. They all used up their energy on storms, and they are too slow so no chance to survive at all anyways. The Zerg streams were never-ending. | ||
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Turbovolver
Australia2449 Posts
On May 04 2011 16:58 Milkis wrote: But it's still not as bad as the SKT fans QQing and "blaming" their players for losing. The fuck? Just accept the loss instead of thrashing your own team. The hell. The point is they aren't SKT fans, not really, they are Bisu fans. Murderotica wrote: I disagree he had only one turret up at each key location when ideally you should have 2 especially vs 2 hatch with mech, this is coming from what I perceived from games as I don't play Terran well so I might be wrong but it seemed that way to me. Also really high. Sure, he should've had more turrets, and if he could afford them, then that was indeed his error. But I don't think he could get up turrets much earlier, he may have been playing for standard 2-hatch timing instead of 12pool timing but as evidenced by him trying to protect his nat's mineral line with a bunker just so it would be earlier, he knew mutas were coming and he did everything he could with repairs and such to hold it off. That is to say, he didn't play retarded, he simply got punished for going 14cc by one of the most aggressive zerg openers out there. | ||
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chisuri
Vietnam789 Posts
On May 04 2011 17:00 Cres wrote: But Zero's vP is quite insane on good days Remember he won against Flash not too long ago and an ACE match in R1 or R2 vs JD? This guy can be insane sometimes. | ||
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Murderotica
Vatican City State2594 Posts
On May 04 2011 16:58 Milkis wrote: i love how bisu loses and everyone goes "ZvP imba", not just here but on korean sites too. Oh, and the map blaming. psh. kind of ridiculous. But it's still not as bad as the SKT fans QQing and "blaming" their players for losing. The fuck? Just accept the loss instead of thrashing your own team. The hell. Not everyone, to both points. How is complaining about players playing poorly on your team not acceptable for a fan? How is it not just to judge them the same way you judge Bisu, for there were 4 losses in this match and each player is responsible for one. Point of the matter is Bisu won a game, and then lost a game against a player who was playing really well as opposed to the others who kind of flopped in one way or another, in Fantasy's and Ssak's case it was extreme. I don't see where your rage is coming from here, we're not "thrashing" anything, we are analyzing the play. So far I haven't seen anyone do a typical "omg wtf so noob scrub needs to go b- team and I wish afrotoss played instead of him" or whatever. That's mindless thrashing. Talking about why the games turned out the way they did is not. | ||
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Milkis
5003 Posts
On May 04 2011 16:59 chisuri wrote: There is a reason for everything. Bisu vZ is better than FvZ and JvZ. Enough said. Right now? Yes. But will people catch up and learn to deal with it? Yes. The point is that people adapt and deal with it and just because "Bisu lost against a Zerg" doesnt imply Zerg is imba. It just means people are learning how to deal with Bisu style play and Bisu will start dropping more games. Also, FYI: JvZ at its peak > BvZ > FvZ. You really can't deny that since JvZ has been a lot more dominant than BvZ which was rather streaky (although BvZ this season is rather strong, but not as strong as when Jaedong was absolutely dominating). | ||
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Milkis
5003 Posts
On May 04 2011 17:03 Murderotica wrote: Not everyone, to both points. How is complaining about players playing poorly on your team not acceptable for a fan? How is it not just to judge them the same way you judge Bisu, for there were 4 losses in this match and each player is responsible for one. Point of the matter is Bisu won a game, and then lost a game against a player who was playing really well as opposed to the others who kind of flopped in one way or another, in Fantasy's and Ssak's case it was extreme. I don't see where your rage is coming from here, we're not "thrashing" anything, we are analyzing the play. So far I haven't seen anyone do a typical "omg wtf so noob scrub needs to go b- team and I wish afrotoss played instead of him" or whatever. That's mindless thrashing. Talking about why the games turned out the way they did is not. You're obviously not the type of SKT fan I'm bashing. There are very specific ones in this thread that I think needs to reevaluate their mentality when they come to approaching the game. I should have phrased it in a way that made it imply "some" and not all. My mistake. | ||
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Murderotica
Vatican City State2594 Posts
On May 04 2011 17:01 chisuri wrote: They all used up their energy on storms, and they are too slow so no chance to survive at all anyways. The Zerg streams were never-ending. After templar use their energy up in an ideal situation the P has enough army to protect the HTs long enough for them to regain energy or morph into archons if the situation is more pressured. It's like in TvP where after every attack the Protoss does, Terran wants to retain the majority of his tanks even if it costs him in turrets/scvs/vultures/depots/goliaths(sometimes). What I meant to say overall is that Bisu never retained a decent amount of army to make a decent ball out of, and never got a sufficient amount of tech units to support it. One other thing, did anyone else notice that it seemed like Bisu wasn't rallying/combining forces well? Also to all the anti-Bisu-fans, don't put blanket statements on people, it makes you just as low as the people who actually deserve your angst. Do you see that poll? Apparently most Bisu fans can accept it when Bisu gets outplayed and recommend a game. | ||
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chisuri
Vietnam789 Posts
On May 04 2011 17:03 Murderotica wrote: Not everyone, to both points. How is complaining about players playing poorly on your team not acceptable for a fan? How is it not just to judge them the same way you judge Bisu, for there were 4 losses in this match and each player is responsible for one. Point of the matter is Bisu won a game, and then lost a game against a player who was playing really well as opposed to the others who kind of flopped in one way or another, in Fantasy's and Ssak's case it was extreme. I don't see where your rage is coming from here, we're not "thrashing" anything, we are analyzing the play. So far I haven't seen anyone do a typical "omg wtf so noob scrub needs to go b- team and I wish afrotoss played instead of him" or whatever. That's mindless thrashing. Talking about why the games turned out the way they did is not. Just one more thing, Zero didn't play WELL that game, he played ridiculously. Bisu did everything a Toss could have done and it was no use. This is not the first loss vZ of Bisu this season but that game was the most and the first justifying loss of him. Zero just played the game of his life there. | ||
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Milkis
5003 Posts
On May 04 2011 17:07 chisuri wrote: Just one more thing, Zero didn't play WELL that game, he played ridiculously. Bisu did everything a Toss could have done and it was no use. This is not the first loss vZ of Bisu this season but that game was the most and the first justifying loss of him. Zero just played the game of his life there. I think you need to watch more games by Zero if you think "Zero just played the game of his life there".... Zero had a good strategy to use on the map but his play wasn't spectacular or anything. But anything to sweeten Bisu's loss, I suppose | ||
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