If I remember correctly, you said last night was your first LR, making this your second. Trying to take quotes from the LR is a deceptively difficult goal. You probability won't watch any of the games. Just wanted to make sure you know you what your getting into beforehand.
Nooo! I'm missing the games, because I fucking woke up at 6AM to watch these, on Easter Sunday to boot, but now I gotta find a way to get TeamSpeak working
Vulture Tank force from Reality at Hiya's front door Reality sending reinforcements, Hiya's force getting shelled from Reality's tanks Hiya attempting a break, loses all forces
Jangbi in teal at 3 Killer in blue at 11.5 Jangbi scouting in the wrong direction, meanwhile Killer lays down his pool. first overlord heading in the wrong direction, second overlord will find jangbi
Lair being morphed, JB getting his core. shot of a wide eyed kid in the crowd. Adun warping in. JB adding two gates in his main (total of 3) sprire goes up as soon as the lair finishes. 1 dragoon out searching the perimeters of the main
4th hatchery at Killer's 3rd at 9.5 Lings trying to bother 2 zealots and a goon 5th hatchery at the nat Archives Hydra Den at the 3rd 5 zealots and a goon coming to attack the nat Scourge, not muta's for Killer SUNKEN GOES DOWN Killer pulling probes, losing some in the process Another sunken morphs but its taken down 2 zealots and a goon left, with reinforcements coming in Lings finsih morphing, but are mostly taken out Killer has reinforcements from his 3rd on the way 3 zealots and a goon in the main looking to take out the Spire +1 being researched Spire at 1/2 health
More zealots being rallied, that nat is very vulnerable, JB's units make it all the way into the main, the spire is now under attack, killer has a third and is pumping many zerglings, not enough to stop that spire from going down.
Killer losing drones now to the zealots, more zealots on the way
Spire goes down! Killer should've gotten scouting Drones taking hits from a good in base Units finally warded off, but about 6 zealots coming in, fall back to muta's Archon, and HT Jangbi trying again to attack, pulls back Killer taking shots off at the nat probes Snipes a HT as well as about 4 probes
Mutass finally pop, JB adding more gates, he gets two HTs and merges them into an Archon. Killer's going to have to be careful, Killer regaining control of his nat. meanwhile Killer harassing JB's nat with mutas, 1 cannon warping in, the archon chases away those mutas.
Killer resumes mining in his main. rebuilding that spire now. JB on the move again, with zealots goons and an archon.
On April 24 2011 13:42 iamho wrote: Wow killer.. dying to 10 units, really?
He was deceived by Jangbi's build.
Jangbi was auto-dead to any kind of muta opening but due to not getting +1, killer didn't suspect anything out of ordinary so Jangbi's gambit was able to work.
Killer delaying with mutas as he adds sunkens to his nat. He has a few hydras out as well, protoss ball stop to kill an overlord on the way to Killer's base.
Here he comes! storms over the hydras, the sunkens fall quickly, goons marching in, nothing to defend this attack
Core spinning now Spire just getting remorphed now 1 archon 4 goons 2 HT and 6? Zealots moving out +1 is finished 4 sunkens soon to be at the front door Storm on the hydra's Muta's getting splashed to death Sunkens get taken out Natural is going to get taken out gg from KIller
ALONE,wait, there the same person. X.X Someone else will save them and... PM shall save us now With JaeDong taking a game or two maybe Tyrant looks angry
Stork places his nex after one Cannon, his scouting probe bothers Alone's drone at his nat, but the 3rd hatch is placed there after 2 lings arrive Alone actually has 6 lings, able to surround the scouting probe and destroy it he takes his main gas
Stork starting his nat nex Alone's nat gets denied by the probe by a few seconds 3rd getting taken at 9 aswell by Alone Probe scout gets destoryed in the mist of the lings Stork going to scout 9 Core just started warping in
uh, Alone commits to his attack with a handful of hydraling just as the 3 extra cannons finish and it doesn't go well 2 cannons go down, 3 more being added
Alone still with just the 6 lings? Manage to take out another proe 2 zealots moving out Citadel and a stargate? warping in Two zealots, one towards nat one towards 9 Hydras out!! Two cannons, now three and four Zealot gets killed off by lings No Lair? Didn't catch Cannons are almost finished One cannons down Two! Hydras pulling back to hit the forge More reinforcements incomming Archives I think Cannons getting warped in left and right 4 with 2 complete atm
2nd gate for stork done, forge being added in the main gate at the front destroyed, hydra rush forwards, a few die to the 5 ready cannons, alone pulls back one templar out
A DT is out OL's are over head of the Hydra's HT is sitting behind the cannons Cannons and zealots manage to hold Two gateways for stork 4th and 5th hatcherys morphing 7 cannons 1 DT 3 HT I think Alone still only on one gas Taking expo at 11
2nd round of zealots heading out, hydra give ground 2 head towards alone's 3rd again hitting drones the rest head towards alone's nat, repelled by alone's army there
alone losing a bunch of lings for nothing moving them out among stork's zealots
stork prepping a 3rd at 3, but the pylons are found by lings
alone doesn't have enough hydra to hold against stork's army! storms decimate their rangs but more hydraling coming from behind all the lings stormed and more and more storm on the hydra but stork's army is decimated
lings die to the one active cannon at stork's warping 3rd
I'M BACK Holy drop on the main NEXUS BARELY SURVIVES HydraLurkLing attacking the 3rd Stork has a shuttle out Nexus goes down at the 3rd! Alone should snipe the main nexu imo Shuttle above the cliffs Alone running units into STork's army 4 zealots in Alones main! They're talking about Yellow I hear Stork looking to take out the 9 of Alone Stork still has zealots in Alone's main Zealots get taken care of but 9 has lost one, now both hatcheries
Looks like Stork is dropping HT THIS TIME Alone loses all drones on minerals ANother lurker behind the mineral line gets 3 proes Another well places Lurker, 1 kill 9 oclock has not been rebuilt? Huge engagement Hydra's metling to storms, but Alone comes out ahead
Relationships are the first thing that coaches suspect when a player begins slumping. In fact, most coaches say if a player is slumping then eight out of ten times the player is dating someone. So, when a certain progamer began slumping, the coaching staff asked him if he had gotten a girlfriend. The player answered no -- but the coaching staff didn't believe him. They asked other players to pay close attention to the player. His teammates, however, were unable to find anything indicting the player of this act. The coaching staff, after this, went nuts trying to figure out why the player was slumping. Of course, the answer was that the player involved in a secret romance. He was just that good at keeping it hidden.
Relationships are the first thing that coaches suspect when a player begins slumping. In fact, most coaches say if a player is slumping then eight out of ten times the player is dating someone. So, when a certain progamer began slumping, the coaching staff asked him if he had gotten a girlfriend. The player answered no -- but the coaching staff didn't believe him. They asked other players to pay close attention to the player. His teammates, however, were unable to find anything indicting the player of this act. The coaching staff, after this, went nuts trying to figure out why the player was slumping. Of course, the answer was that the player involved in a secret romance. He was just that good at keeping it hidden.
yes it is stork imo.
Except you know, Stork admits he has a girlfriend and just broke off recently.
On April 24 2011 14:18 DarkMatter_ wrote: Pretty awful game sense from Stork to not see that hidden expo the entire game.
I don't know how that expo would count as hidden just because Stork didn't count it. It was right above the 3rd and of course players will expand when they contain(somewhat) you.
Relationships are the first thing that coaches suspect when a player begins slumping. In fact, most coaches say if a player is slumping then eight out of ten times the player is dating someone. So, when a certain progamer began slumping, the coaching staff asked him if he had gotten a girlfriend. The player answered no -- but the coaching staff didn't believe him. They asked other players to pay close attention to the player. His teammates, however, were unable to find anything indicting the player of this act. The coaching staff, after this, went nuts trying to figure out why the player was slumping. Of course, the answer was that the player involved in a secret romance. He was just that good at keeping it hidden.
yes it is stork imo.
Except you know, Stork admits he has a girlfriend and just broke off recently.
he got himself a new one....I mean how hard is it for Stork to get a girlfriend....
On April 24 2011 14:17 Yxes2211 wrote: oh... my... god...
Awesome...
Hidden expo all the way
But wat does this mean for Hydra v Stork D:
Stork is going to get his shit pushed in that's what it means. His PvZ hasn't changed after all this time - glints of fantastic play backed by long streaks of god awful actions.
Relationships are the first thing that coaches suspect when a player begins slumping. In fact, most coaches say if a player is slumping then eight out of ten times the player is dating someone. So, when a certain progamer began slumping, the coaching staff asked him if he had gotten a girlfriend. The player answered no -- but the coaching staff didn't believe him. They asked other players to pay close attention to the player. His teammates, however, were unable to find anything indicting the player of this act. The coaching staff, after this, went nuts trying to figure out why the player was slumping. Of course, the answer was that the player involved in a secret romance. He was just that good at keeping it hidden.
yes it is stork imo.
Stork's gf (now ex-gf) wasn't a secret. And he didn't start slumping until during/after their breakup.
good play by Princess. Stork was a little too aggressive with his armies in the early-mid game, especially that first attack where he got pincered inside Princess' third and lost everything
If Princess is always this good I can see him being a proleague mainstay for Oz.
Relationships are the first thing that coaches suspect when a player begins slumping. In fact, most coaches say if a player is slumping then eight out of ten times the player is dating someone. So, when a certain progamer began slumping, the coaching staff asked him if he had gotten a girlfriend. The player answered no -- but the coaching staff didn't believe him. They asked other players to pay close attention to the player. His teammates, however, were unable to find anything indicting the player of this act. The coaching staff, after this, went nuts trying to figure out why the player was slumping. Of course, the answer was that the player involved in a secret romance. He was just that good at keeping it hidden.
yes it is stork imo.
Except you know, Stork admits he has a girlfriend and just broke off recently.
he got himself a new one....I mean how hard is it for Stork to get a girlfriend....
But Stork never slumped when he got a girlfriend, just saying.
On April 24 2011 14:20 Womwomwom wrote: Stork is going to get his shit pushed in that's what it means. His PvZ hasn't changed after all this time - glints of fantastic play backed by long streaks of god awful actions.
Where do people get all this hyperbole from?
Do you watch the games? Stork tried to assault Princess so he could expand for a 3rd, and just barely got held off. Like, it was extremely close. There was one bad action, namely losing his two templar for nothing, but the game was essentially over as soon as he lost his first big army without being able to establish a secure 3rd, and he was probably at a disadvantage before that.
On April 24 2011 14:20 Womwomwom wrote: Stork is going to get his shit pushed in that's what it means. His PvZ hasn't changed after all this time - glints of fantastic play backed by long streaks of god awful actions.
Where do people get all this hyperbole from?
Do you watch the games? Stork tried to assault Princess so he could expand for a 3rd, and just barely got held off. Like, it was extremely close. There was one bad action, namely losing his two templar for nothing, but the game was essentially over as soon as he lost his first big army without being able to establish a secure 3rd, and he was probably at a disadvantage before that.
On April 24 2011 14:24 Taekwon wrote: also to jd, except jd mind effed him the entire game
The zero and JD game (as well as this) Stork had bad scouting with his sair in that he only makes one and misses critical pieces of information. (zero: he misses how much zero droned and no additional hydras despite sair being right there. jaedong: he misses the exact hydra count and assume that JD will drone a bit harder and tries to exploit the later lair timing and send dt to 4th and doesn't have storm in time. princess: misses the 4th completely etc)
PM with a citadel warping Grapes Core 2/3 of the way complete PM with perfectscouting and hopefully perfectrampblock First goon out to chase away the probe
Archives and 2nd gate finsihed warping for PM Core spinning for Grape, not sure about PM Perfect probe manages to almost escape Or not Robo first for Grape
Goons should take out that zealot Grape is on to the DT's!! Obs are on the way! GRAPE RAMP BLOCK DT's are slashing away at the goons Goons 2 goons down to DT's Probes falling now PM LEARNING FROM SASHIN So many probes going down FIRST OB OUT 12 kills for each DT
On April 24 2011 14:20 Womwomwom wrote: Stork is going to get his shit pushed in that's what it means. His PvZ hasn't changed after all this time - glints of fantastic play backed by long streaks of god awful actions.
Where do people get all this hyperbole from?
Do you watch the games? Stork tried to assault Princess so he could expand for a 3rd, and just barely got held off. Like, it was extremely close. There was one bad action, namely losing his two templar for nothing, but the game was essentially over as soon as he lost his first big army without being able to establish a secure 3rd, and he was probably at a disadvantage before that.
And the move command into losing whole army, messy cleanup of the doom drop, zero scouting after the loss of the only corsair, amongst other things.
Its not just one game, for his whole career he has had fantastic moments of completely flubbing and making that face when under pressure. All this Princess game has shown is that he hasn't changed at all and is definitely going to lose to Hydra.
On April 24 2011 14:20 Womwomwom wrote: Stork is going to get his shit pushed in that's what it means. His PvZ hasn't changed after all this time - glints of fantastic play backed by long streaks of god awful actions.
Where do people get all this hyperbole from?
Do you watch the games? Stork tried to assault Princess so he could expand for a 3rd, and just barely got held off. Like, it was extremely close. There was one bad action, namely losing his two templar for nothing, but the game was essentially over as soon as he lost his first big army without being able to establish a secure 3rd, and he was probably at a disadvantage before that.
And the move command into losing whole army, messy cleanup of the doom drop, zero scouting after the loss of the only corsair, amongst other things.
Its not just one game, for his whole career he has had fantastic moments of completely flubbing and making that face when under pressure. All this Princess game has shown is that he hasn't changed at all and is definitely going to lose to Hydra.
Lol its so funny how he always plays well vs JD and losses to weaker zergs
On April 24 2011 14:46 garbanzo wrote: Come on JD. Let's bring back JvZ! I'm excited to see how he performs today especially after... + Show Spoiler [group of death] +
...he completely demolished Sea and Flash.
Saying this spoils it regardless of the spoiler o_o
Come on guys, double stuffed oreo's ;D Pool, sooner for Jaedong? Or am I just blind while eating my cookie? FACE PAN DEATH STARE Gas from Tyrant too, HATCHERY FROM GREAT
Lair morphing now 6 inital lings are running cross postitions Tyrant going to scout Great last Great's pool now just finishing I think his nat is complete now Lair morphing for Great
On April 24 2011 14:46 garbanzo wrote: Come on JD. Let's bring back JvZ! I'm excited to see how he performs today especially after... + Show Spoiler [group of death] +
...he completely demolished Sea and Flash.
Saying this spoils it regardless of the spoiler o_o
Why? I can be excited to see how he performs today entirely for different reasons depending on his performance in the group of death. It's up to you to decide why I would be excited.
Jaedong with the ling arch Great about to break through Sunken is up for the Tyrant Lings getting a surround on it, no drones are pulled off to defend First muta out for Tyrant Evo chamber for Great Tons of lings dying, only one or two drones lost in that Tyrants first Muta gets warded away by a spore
JD loses a muta to scourge, tries to pick off drones with lings at great's nat great's first muta out JD gets lings into great's main but I don't think it matters
Lots of scourge from Great, one muta pops, Jaedong's lings are at the nat, but Great has a muta out now Jaedong runs by into the main, but Great pulls drones Three muta's for Great Jaedong hasn't very many drones
On April 24 2011 14:53 Turbovolver wrote: Great's ling micro was really weird in places, they all just stop attacking and do nothing for small periods of time...
On April 24 2011 14:53 Turbovolver wrote: Great's ling micro was really weird in places, they all just stop attacking and do nothing for small periods of time...
it's not weird micro, it's just bad micro
lings do that
Yes, it's weird that a progamer shows micro like that, is my meaning :D
On April 24 2011 14:55 radialis wrote: ugh i wish JD wouldn't 9 pool in 9/10 of his zvz games. 9 pool is the most pussy build order ever. even JD himself said 9 pool is bad in zvz
On April 24 2011 14:55 _Quasar_ wrote: if he gg'd now, why didn't he earlier??? what happened?
great was building up mutas and jd had no way of holding that off. too few drones left so not many mutas (mostly scourges that failed to land) and no evo for spores.
Why whine about zvz? Jaedong had build order ADVANTAGE and does not capitalize on it because his lings went the wrong way. Great gets 2nd hatch up for free and has huge eco and larva advantage.
On April 24 2011 14:51 Release wrote: JD just played some of the worst ZvZ i've ever seen
Only his decision-making wasn't good, his control was awesome.
They say it's all micro, but when you suck that bad at scouting, it's just bad
LOL u cant be serious now
I am, Usually, one of the six lings scouts the close position while the other five move between the two unscouted bases. He moved all six to cross.
look at Jaedong vs Flash ace match long time ago, when flash 14cc.
having 1 ling there would result in what exactly? besides, if mirror opening (or even 12 pool from oppo zerg) a 6v5 zergling results in that the 5 zerglings have to back up, and thus lose any and all advantage the most 1 zergling could do is slow great's mining for like... 10 seconds real useful
On April 24 2011 14:51 Release wrote: JD just played some of the worst ZvZ i've ever seen
Only his decision-making wasn't good, his control was awesome.
They say it's all micro, but when you suck that bad at scouting, it's just bad
LOL u cant be serious now
I am, Usually, one of the six lings scouts the close position while the other five move between the two unscouted bases. He moved all six to cross.
look at Jaedong vs Flash ace match long time ago, when flash 14cc.
You can't scout in ZvZ, a drone scout leaves u behind. All you do is send ur overlord and hope for the best. It was a cinflip and jaedong lost it. He went 9 pool so it would be silly to split the lings up since u gotta do damage no matter wat. That 1 ling makes a huge difference with such low econs that early into the game so even if he scouted correctly with the 5 lings his rush wouldn't have the same power. If he scouted wrong with that 1 zergling then it really wouldn't matter cause theres nothing u can do, u have to wait for the other 5 zerglings to come back anyway. A lot of it comes down to luck, and its a little silly to bank on a 9 pool on a big 4 player map but saying "his scouting was bad" is completely ridiculous. Do u even play the game? Have you ever played a ZvZ?
On April 24 2011 14:55 Trizz wrote: That's zvz, coinflip MU.
Jaedong won the coin flip
Well the BO-win turned into a BO-loss within a matter of seconds, stupid scouting. But 9pool with lair before ling-speed is probably my least favourite zvz-build.
I don't understand how anyone can say Jaedong played badly. His ling micro (especially at the ramp) and drone micro was excellent. He just got really unlucky with the scouting. Generally, players send their overlord in the direction where it reaches their opponent's expo first. Jaedong did the opposite with his overlord so that he can check the bottom left with his ovie and if great's ovie reaches JD's base, then he would know great is in top right, but since that didn't happen, he assumed that it's in the top left. Jaedong did pretty much everything right that game, just not the best choice of build and some unlucky scouting.
On April 24 2011 15:00 iamho wrote: why did jaedong send his lings cross positions first anyways? that just seems like a terrible idea
JD probably had brain farts or something. Worse decision making than his game vs Hogil
Read my previous post. People need to stop making ridiculous statements without actually understanding why a player made those decisions. Just because it didn't work out this time doesn't mean it was a bad decision.
On April 24 2011 15:00 iamho wrote: why did jaedong send his lings cross positions first anyways? that just seems like a terrible idea
Normally, a zerg sends their first overlord to closest nat. Since JD didn't see an ovie come enter his nat, he figured that Great would be at top left. (He sent first ovie to bott left so he'd "know" where zerg is but got thrown off by Great's scouting pattern.
Now there's no reasons to like Oz, though Hiya is amusing at times.
And yeah, 9 pool without speed isn't even such a great build vs 12 hatch at the level progamers play at now.They're too good with their drones, for example.
edit: Yay, Harem coming in with an actually intelligent post regarding this debacle ^^
[QUOTE]On April 24 2011 15:06 Turbovolver wrote: I miss Backho and Lomo too =( [QUOTE] Backho is out because of an injury again right? What about Lomo? o.o
On April 24 2011 15:06 Turbovolver wrote: I miss Backho and Lomo too =(
Now there's no reasons to like Oz, though Hiya is amusing at times.
And yeah, 9 pool without speed isn't even such a great build vs 12 hatch at the level progamers play at now.They're too good with their drones, for example.
Hydra vs Great @ MSL finals. 9pool vs 12 hatch Hydra ran straight into Great's main without speed and picked of drones to win.
No Lair! Three hatch Hydra's StarGate for Shy He'd better scout this Somebodys sleepy in the audience Juni has a 3rd at 9 as well Shy doesn't get past the nat for scouting, Juni taking 11
First siar out, going to scout the main, sees the Den, 3 cannons added to the 2 initial Archives warping, as is a 2nd gateway 2 Sairs out Hydra's picking at the forge Cannons not yet warped in yet Sairs picking at the OL's Juni loses, none yet
I don't know why January keeps playing Juni. He's been around for about a decade now and he's as bad as your average B-teamer with no potential for improvement. At least play bad B-teamers who have potential to improve instead of this dinosaur.
On April 24 2011 15:12 pylonsalad wrote: I don't know why January keeps playing Juni. He's been around for about a decade now and he's as bad as your average B-teamer with no potential for improvement. At least play bad B-teamers who have potential to improve instead of this dinosaur.
On April 24 2011 15:07 Release wrote: Hydra vs Great @ MSL finals. 9pool vs 12 hatch Hydra ran straight into Great's main without speed and picked of drones to win.
but hydraling trying to rush the cannons, one storm takes its toll just 2 cannons left, the last storm rips apart most of the remaining hydra but there's 6 hydra left, enough to take down most of the probes
7 cannons at the nat HT is out, and a forge is resaerching +1 Lair getting morphed at 11, Sairs scout it Cancels a cannon, and has sealed himself out of the nat? LOL Shy Tons of Hydra's STORM Melts some Hydra's Probes are pulled Another nice storm Almost all the Hydra's are taken out 6 are in the nat, all probes are dying T.T Probes are maynarded to the nat... wtf? GG from Shy... SHOULD HAVE SENT ANYTIME WTF OZ
Wow, even a noob like me could see that you need more cannons... honestly, you see the 4th without a single drone, the third with 2 drones, and u go as far to cancel ur 7th cannon...lol.....
Whom ever is making the decision making at OZ should really start playing a certain veteran player, with an OSL win over the Emperor and a OSL silver against the Living Legend Just saying, Sashin would've taken Juni on a bus ride.
On April 24 2011 15:13 BlackMagister wrote: Fake hydra all in to real hydra all in rofl.
Didn't seem too all in, he had four bases up didn't he?
He had 4 hatcheries only, and 2 of the bases had 3 drones combined together, not considering the poor saturation in main and natural. Juni had almost no drones. =.=
On April 24 2011 15:13 BlackMagister wrote: Fake hydra all in to real hydra all in rofl.
Didn't seem too all in, he had four bases up didn't he?
He had 4 hatcheries only, and 2 of the bases had 3 drones combined together, not considering the poor saturation in main and natural. Juni had almost no drones. =.=
With four hatches and P spending a lot on cannons, I don't think he's out of the game if his hydras fail, especially if he just leaves them outside of the base. P has no army and he can easy go a round of drones or so.
edit: Oh OK, it was an all-in you can CANCEL. That makes more sense lolololol
On April 24 2011 15:19 _Quasar_ wrote: Fuck! No ace match. T_T
Ace match would've meant angry Jaedong, which would take out anyone bar the rest of TBLS. Khan's lucky it didn't get to ACE match, i.e. that Killer and HiyA failed.
Damn... I guess Jaedong OZ got really unluckey today
zvz is really cunty sometimes.
Though you can only blame Jaedong for doing a 9-pool on such a big map. At the same time he has to keep his opponents guessing what he is doing. ahh :/
I changed my mind, I don't care whether or not that was an all-in, Shy's loss was inconsequential. JD, Hiya and Killer dropped the proverbial Oz ball today, not Shy.
On April 24 2011 15:21 Elroi wrote: Damn... I guess Jaedong OZ got really unluckey today
zvz is really cunty sometimes.
Though you can only blame Jaedong for doing a 9-pool on such a big map. At the same time he has to keep his opponents guessing what he is doing. ahh :/
Jaedong's control and defensive skills are good enough that he could probably safely 12 hatch/12 pool expo almost all the time on a 4 P map. Still confused why he decided to go 9pool.
On April 24 2011 15:19 _Quasar_ wrote: Fuck! No ace match. T_T
Ace match would've meant angry Jaedong, which would take out anyone bar the rest of TBLS. Khan's lucky it didn't get to ACE match, i.e. that Killer and HiyA failed.
But Oz is predictable in sending a zerg (Jaedong/Killer) for an ace match. Wouldn't put it past Khan to send a zerg (great) for a repeat of their previous game.
PS: you just negated your own claim for an Oz victory in the ace match because one of the TBLS is playing for Khan....
On April 24 2011 15:19 _Quasar_ wrote: Fuck! No ace match. T_T
Ace match would've meant angry Jaedong, which would take out anyone bar the rest of TBLS. Khan's lucky it didn't get to ACE match, i.e. that Killer and HiyA failed.
But Oz is predictable in sending a zerg (Jaedong/Killer) for an ace match. Wouldn't put it past Khan to send a zerg (great) for a repeat of their previous game.
PS: you just negated your own claim for an Oz victory in the ace match because one of the TBLS is playing for Khan....
Whoops....I didn't say it meant a certain victory though if he had to face Stork. Also, I doubt Jaedong would make the same kind of mistake twice in the ace match.
Wouldn't Turn have made some sense for ace? Empire of the Sun is heavily T favoured in TvZ after all... Either way, JD would've won ace, I'm sure of it. That stupid 9pool though...
On April 24 2011 15:19 _Quasar_ wrote: Fuck! No ace match. T_T
Ace match would've meant angry Jaedong, which would take out anyone bar the rest of TBLS. Khan's lucky it didn't get to ACE match, i.e. that Killer and HiyA failed.
But Oz is predictable in sending a zerg (Jaedong/Killer) for an ace match. Wouldn't put it past Khan to send a zerg (great) for a repeat of their previous game.
PS: you just negated your own claim for an Oz victory in the ace match because one of the TBLS is playing for Khan....
To this day, i've said that Jaedong's ZvZ is the best, but Hydra has shown much better ZvZ.
On April 24 2011 15:19 _Quasar_ wrote: Fuck! No ace match. T_T
Ace match would've meant angry Jaedong, which would take out anyone bar the rest of TBLS. Khan's lucky it didn't get to ACE match, i.e. that Killer and HiyA failed.
But Oz is predictable in sending a zerg (Jaedong/Killer) for an ace match. Wouldn't put it past Khan to send a zerg (great) for a repeat of their previous game.
PS: you just negated your own claim for an Oz victory in the ace match because one of the TBLS is playing for Khan....
To this day, i've said that Jaedong's ZvZ is the best, but Hydra has shown much better ZvZ.
The danger with mirrors is that the starting BO can decide a game long before mechanics/game-sense becomes crucial. So yeah, you can be the best Terran, Protoss or Zerg of the time but a bad BO choice in your race's mirror matchup can still kill you (if the opponent is even half-decent)
On April 24 2011 16:01 Release wrote: After seeing the games today, Flash is the MSL champion.
What? I'm a Flash fan but how can you be so sure that Flash will win? JD loses a ZvZ with bad scouting and now you're sure that Flash will be the champion? What kind of an OZ fan are you?
Anytime, must be dissapointed at the decision "Let me out against this Khan scrub, Sashin rush him, no hydra crap for me" "Shy your up" -.- If only my dreams would be reality Reach vs Midas final, or a Yellow vs Bisu
On April 24 2011 16:54 DropBear wrote: CoffeeJelly good job on the thread again. I want to ask you and others about the bookmarking of the start of each game in the thread.
Did you like doing it? Was it easy or annoying to do? To everyone reading, did you find it useful?
I think its an awesome idea don't know why its never been done before!~
On April 24 2011 16:54 DropBear wrote: CoffeeJelly good job on the thread again. I want to ask you and others about the bookmarking of the start of each game in the thread.
Did you like doing it? Was it easy or annoying to do? To everyone reading, did you find it useful?
I think its an awesome idea don't know why its never been done before!~
On April 24 2011 16:54 DropBear wrote: CoffeeJelly good job on the thread again. I want to ask you and others about the bookmarking of the start of each game in the thread.
Did you like doing it? Was it easy or annoying to do? To everyone reading, did you find it useful?
Thanks!
It was easy and painless for me so I don't mind doing it.
Didn't realize there was a bookmark included in the OP till after the games. Thanks for this and I hope this feature is continued. It will definitely come in handy if I check a thread for a match I didn't follow actively.
Relationships are the first thing that coaches suspect when a player begins slumping. In fact, most coaches say if a player is slumping then eight out of ten times the player is dating someone. So, when a certain progamer began slumping, the coaching staff asked him if he had gotten a girlfriend. The player answered no -- but the coaching staff didn't believe him. They asked other players to pay close attention to the player. His teammates, however, were unable to find anything indicting the player of this act. The coaching staff, after this, went nuts trying to figure out why the player was slumping. Of course, the answer was that the player involved in a secret romance. He was just that good at keeping it hidden.
yes it is stork imo.
Stork's gf (now ex-gf) wasn't a secret. And he didn't start slumping until during/after their breakup.
You know it was probably during that time when Stork was doing super well heading for dual finals, and his girlfriend goes why arent you spending more time with me? And boom
On April 24 2011 16:54 DropBear wrote: CoffeeJelly good job on the thread again. I want to ask you and others about the bookmarking of the start of each game in the thread.
Did you like doing it? Was it easy or annoying to do? To everyone reading, did you find it useful?
Thanks!
It was easy and painless for me so I don't mind doing it.
I was wondering what you were doing, that's a good idea actually, should be done for every LR
On April 24 2011 16:54 DropBear wrote: CoffeeJelly good job on the thread again. I want to ask you and others about the bookmarking of the start of each game in the thread.
Did you like doing it? Was it easy or annoying to do? To everyone reading, did you find it useful?
Thanks!
It was easy and painless for me so I don't mind doing it.
I was wondering what you were doing, that's a good idea actually, should be done for every LR
i think its a great idea, but if thread makers dont want to do it thats fine with me too
On April 24 2011 13:58 Hyde wrote: harry potter came to see stork and JD
that was me! And fuck... I'm really sorry guys, apparently I jinxed Jaedong AND Stork tonight, cuz they both fucking lost!!! I was praying for it to go to an Ace match, since I'm not a huge Samsung or Hwaseung fan, but I love dinotoss and the dong...
and speaking of which, I'm thinking of switching my fanboyism to Hwaseung, since practically ALL their fans were girls (samsung was 75% guys). Seriously, the first 3 rows were all hwaseung fans, and there was only 1 guy. All the Samsung fans were in back so I was sandwiched in between.
I was getting weird looks for having one of each team's balloons, and cheering for EVERY player, but neither team. Must have been driving the hardcore fans mad lol.
It was really awesome to have gone to this. Surely there could have been more exciting ones to go to, but I come here on business and don't always have the opportunity. I've been watching and following this scene for almost 3 years now, and been to Korea about a dozen times, it's about fucking time I went and experienced this live!
The camera crew does an amazing job at broadcasting.. what I mean is, the place looks so epic and big when you're watching it on tv, but it feels a lot different sitting inside.
Oh wow, live report tab was invented? Genius! Though you may want to add Game 8 tab also with text 'not played' embedded on it so there aren't any indirect spoilers.
On April 24 2011 13:58 Hyde wrote: harry potter came to see stork and JD
that was me! And fuck... I'm really sorry guys, apparently I jinxed Jaedong AND Stork tonight, cuz they both fucking lost!!! I was praying for it to go to an Ace match, since I'm not a huge Samsung or Hwaseung fan, but I love dinotoss and the dong...
and speaking of which, I'm thinking of switching my fanboyism to Hwaseung, since practically ALL their fans were girls (samsung was 75% guys). Seriously, the first 3 rows were all hwaseung fans, and there was only 1 guy. All the Samsung fans were in back so I was sandwiched in between.
I was getting weird looks for having one of each team's balloons, and cheering for EVERY player, but neither team. Must have been driving the hardcore fans mad lol.
It was really awesome to have gone to this. Surely there could have been more exciting ones to go to, but I come here on business and don't always have the opportunity. I've been watching and following this scene for almost 3 years now, and been to Korea about a dozen times, it's about fucking time I went and experienced this live!
The camera crew does an amazing job at broadcasting.. what I mean is, the place looks so epic and big when you're watching it on tv, but it feels a lot different sitting inside.
Fantastic =] Good for you man. I hope to be able to experience even a simple proleague match live too some day.
@Shader Thanks bro! BTW you're in Australlia- not too far from here (compared to US), so you have a good chance, if you can save up the money for a flight! There's plenty of cheap hotels, but you might need some help to find them unless you know Korean. Feel free to ask!
slappy wrote: that was me! And fuck... I'm really sorry guys, apparently I jinxed Jaedong AND Stork tonight, cuz they both fucking lost!!! I was praying for it to go to an Ace match, since I'm not a huge Samsung or Hwaseung fan, but I love dinotoss and the dong...
and speaking of which, I'm thinking of switching my fanboyism to Hwaseung, since practically ALL their fans were girls (samsung was 75% guys). Seriously, the first 3 rows were all hwaseung fans, and there was only 1 guy. All the Samsung fans were in back so I was sandwiched in between.
I was getting weird looks for having one of each team's balloons, and cheering for EVERY player, but neither team. Must have been driving the hardcore fans mad lol.
It was really awesome to have gone to this. Surely there could have been more exciting ones to go to, but I come here on business and don't always have the opportunity. I've been watching and following this scene for almost 3 years now, and been to Korea about a dozen times, it's about fucking time I went and experienced this live!
The camera crew does an amazing job at broadcasting.. what I mean is, the place looks so epic and big when you're watching it on tv, but it feels a lot different sitting inside.
How long you in Korea man, do you want to hit up some games its so much better having someone to talk to and no one I know likes Starcraft. I was gonna go to SKT vs KT tomorrow but I have to go to hospital Monday and Tuesday now (transferring hospitals and sorting out a MIR scan) .
There's nothing posted past Tuesday on the calendar and I'm lazy enough for that to be my only source of knowledge on when and where Pro-league games are.
Oz is the right team to support man, you know it. All the players are so loveable and your right a large proportion of the fan base are female. Though most of them not legal sadly (lets not get into the fact that in Korea not legal is legal).
I missed most of today's games because I set my alarm for AM instead of PM. Idiot.
slappy wrote: that was me! And fuck... I'm really sorry guys, apparently I jinxed Jaedong AND Stork tonight, cuz they both fucking lost!!! I was praying for it to go to an Ace match, since I'm not a huge Samsung or Hwaseung fan, but I love dinotoss and the dong...
and speaking of which, I'm thinking of switching my fanboyism to Hwaseung, since practically ALL their fans were girls (samsung was 75% guys). Seriously, the first 3 rows were all hwaseung fans, and there was only 1 guy. All the Samsung fans were in back so I was sandwiched in between.
I was getting weird looks for having one of each team's balloons, and cheering for EVERY player, but neither team. Must have been driving the hardcore fans mad lol.
It was really awesome to have gone to this. Surely there could have been more exciting ones to go to, but I come here on business and don't always have the opportunity. I've been watching and following this scene for almost 3 years now, and been to Korea about a dozen times, it's about fucking time I went and experienced this live!
The camera crew does an amazing job at broadcasting.. what I mean is, the place looks so epic and big when you're watching it on tv, but it feels a lot different sitting inside.
How long you in Korea man, do you want to hit up some games its so much better having someone to talk to and no one I know likes Starcraft. I was gonna go to SKT vs KT tomorrow but I have to go to hospital Monday and Tuesday now (transferring hospitals and sorting out a MIR scan) .
There's nothing posted past Tuesday on the calendar and I'm lazy enough for that to be my only source of knowledge on when and where Pro-league games are.
Oz is the right team to support man, you know it. All the players are so loveable and your right a large proportion of the fan base are female. Though most of them not legal sadly (lets not get into the fact that in Korea not legal is legal).
I missed most of today's games because I set my alarm for AM instead of PM. Idiot.
Edit: was directing my question to the wrong guy
Yo man, seems the PL matches are only posted in the TL calender one after the other these days. I'm working all weekdays from 9-6 give or take, so attending matches on the weekdays seems futile, but Saturday is a definite possibility to see another match, whether it be PL or MSL. Although I'm in Kangnam, the subway(green line) is really easy to take to Mullae Station to MBC Hero Studio.. not sure a bout OGN studio, as I haven't made that adventure yet.
slappy wrote: that was me! And fuck... I'm really sorry guys, apparently I jinxed Jaedong AND Stork tonight, cuz they both fucking lost!!! I was praying for it to go to an Ace match, since I'm not a huge Samsung or Hwaseung fan, but I love dinotoss and the dong...
and speaking of which, I'm thinking of switching my fanboyism to Hwaseung, since practically ALL their fans were girls (samsung was 75% guys). Seriously, the first 3 rows were all hwaseung fans, and there was only 1 guy. All the Samsung fans were in back so I was sandwiched in between.
I was getting weird looks for having one of each team's balloons, and cheering for EVERY player, but neither team. Must have been driving the hardcore fans mad lol.
It was really awesome to have gone to this. Surely there could have been more exciting ones to go to, but I come here on business and don't always have the opportunity. I've been watching and following this scene for almost 3 years now, and been to Korea about a dozen times, it's about fucking time I went and experienced this live!
The camera crew does an amazing job at broadcasting.. what I mean is, the place looks so epic and big when you're watching it on tv, but it feels a lot different sitting inside.
How long you in Korea man, do you want to hit up some games its so much better having someone to talk to and no one I know likes Starcraft. I was gonna go to SKT vs KT tomorrow but I have to go to hospital Monday and Tuesday now (transferring hospitals and sorting out a MIR scan) .
There's nothing posted past Tuesday on the calendar and I'm lazy enough for that to be my only source of knowledge on when and where Pro-league games are.
Oz is the right team to support man, you know it. All the players are so loveable and your right a large proportion of the fan base are female. Though most of them not legal sadly (lets not get into the fact that in Korea not legal is legal).
I missed most of today's games because I set my alarm for AM instead of PM. Idiot.
Edit: was directing my question to the wrong guy
Yo man, seems the PL matches are only posted in the TL calender one after the other these days. I'm working all weekdays from 9-6 give or take, so attending matches on the weekdays seems futile, but Saturday is a definite possibility to see another match, whether it be PL or MSL. Although I'm in Kangnam, the subway(green line) is really easy to take to Mullae Station to MBC Hero Studio.. not sure a bout OGN studio, as I haven't made that adventure yet.
Oh cheers e_i_pi_1_0 thats really useful. I knew there would be a way of finding out somewhere if I bothered to look hard enough. I missed most of these games so I'm looking forward to getting to watch the vods and see how Princess could possibly have beaten Stork. Thats the biggest feather in his cap.
On April 25 2011 08:47 Greg_J wrote: Oh cheers e_i_pi_1_0 thats really useful. I knew there would be a way of finding out somewhere if I bothered to look hard enough. I missed most of these games so I'm looking forward to getting to watch the vods and see how Princess could possibly have beaten Stork. Thats the biggest feather in his cap.
STX Soul VS KT is tempting on Wednesday.
You're so lucky you can watch the PL matches live. I'm stuck watching them on stream in the middle of the night, and hoping I can get enough sleep for the next day at the same time.
I'm waiting for Oz vs MBC and Oz vs KT. Those should be good.
Disappointing game as an Oz fan, only highlight being Princess maybe being a new hope instead of Killer. I'd rather Perfectman just not play at all than come out just to cheese every time.
Well I just watched great vs. jaedong and I don't understand something:
What is the advantage of going one base mutalisk against a fast expanding zerg when it can be countered so easily with spores? jaedong even had to put up a sunken because he was out-larvaed.
On April 26 2011 11:12 cca1ss1e wrote: Well I just watched great vs. jaedong and I don't understand something:
What is the advantage of going one base mutalisk against a fast expanding zerg when it can be countered so easily with spores? jaedong even had to put up a sunken because he was out-larvaed.
I'm a newb, but I am curious.
gg though!
XD
Jaedong's build was meant to end the game with lings, or at least deal enough eco damage with his fast lings that his 1 base play wouldn't be an issue. 1 base play in ZvZ usually only works if the opponent also goes for 1 base or you deal some significant damage with the early lings.
Personally 9pool lair first is, in my opinion, the stupidest build in JD's arsenal. His ling micro is so great he should've just tried to end it with lings, and not tried to Lair.
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