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iloveOOv interview after OGN finals

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uhjoo
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)1740 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-11-20 00:38:43
November 20 2004 00:33 GMT
#1
(Note- Yo-hwan = Boxer's name, "hyung" = Korean term for "older brother")

Q: Express how you feel on winning.

A: I don't feel very good. It was to the point where I almost wanted to lose the final. I don't have a feeling as if I won. After each game finished, all I thought about was what Yo-hwan hyung would do the next game, and how I would counter it. Only subconsciously did I think to myself that I didn't want to lose. I feel sad and bittersweet.

Q: You kept the promise that you made to your fans when Ever Starleague started.

A: I don't want to make promises from now on. If I can't keep the promise, I am criticized, and even if I can keep the promise I'm back to the same original situation. I don't want to make promises because of pressure from someone else. If it is a promise that comes from my own heart then I will make it. I don't want to make promises to match the atmosphere around me.

Q: You've conquered all the major leagues.

A: If I had beat someone other than Yo-hwan hyung, I think I would have been much happier. To be honest, even Ever Starleague is forgotten after time passes. There's no use to success in the past, and it's always been this way. So what I'm saying is that although I've won all the major leagues it will eventually become a forgotten past. The only choice is to keep moving forward, instead of dwelling on how well you did in the past.

Q: What do you think is the reason you were able to win?

A: The reason I was able to win is that I played at a subconscious level. I didn't play as I had prepared. I gave myself to the flow of the game.


Q: What was going through your mind watching Yo-hwan crying?

A: I thought to myself that it would have been good if Yo-hwan hyung won. If I had to guess what he was thinking, I would guess it was anger at himself. I would think it was disappointment in himself.

Q: How did you feel in game 4 when you were rushed early?

A: It's the first time I saw a strat like that. Because I was flustered, I was just trying to block it as fast as possible and I made alot of mistakes. It would have been better if I went up on the ledge to defend it but I wasn't able to do that. It's really important not to get flustered.

Q: You family was here to cheer you on.

A: They cheered me while believing in me. I'm so thankful. Also I'm particularly thankful to Koh, In-gyu (Canata). Even though he is in the semifinals of the "King of Rookies," he gave up on his own league, and practiced with me for 12 hours a day for 3 days, taking breaks only to eat. I'm so thankful. It's something I felt while practicing with him but this is a player that is really going to get big. (Canata) is a player who practiced with me for the Cengame finals and joined our team. I think he will be the next one to bear the flag for SK Telecom's terran tradition.


Q: If you can analyse today's games?

A: Today I utterly lost to Yo-hwan hyung when it comes to builds(note: suggesting losing the early game). I think I came out ahead in my execution and gameplay in the mid-late game.

Q: Do you have something you want to say to Yo-hwan?

A: I really hope that now Yo-hwan hyung will never hear from someone else that he is weak. I wish that Yo-hwan hyung will win all of his future tournaments the same way he stepped past so many good players on his road to this Ever Starleague final. I'm sure he was so determined because he hasn't had a win recently... I'm so sad. From now on, although I want to game again with Yo-hwan hyung, I don't want to meet him in this kind of situation ever again.


Q: Your next goal?

A: To win round 3 of the Proleague. I'm so thankful to my fans who came all the way to Taejon (city where finals was located) to cheer for me. I have no words other than thank you.
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WickeD
Profile Joined April 2003
Slovakia789 Posts
November 20 2004 00:38 GMT
#2
I don't envy his situation... I never liked Iloveoov, but he is a great player and probably a nice guy. He stepped up a notch or to in my mind...
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Elvin_vn
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
Vietnam2038 Posts
November 20 2004 00:54 GMT
#3
uhjoo = thx
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Ready2[ESC]
Profile Joined October 2002
Hungary1436 Posts
November 20 2004 00:55 GMT
#4
thx for the interview!
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mrdx
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Vietnam1555 Posts
November 20 2004 00:57 GMT
#5
Oov is nice. He deserved the given title "Boxer's student"
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PanoRaMa
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States5069 Posts
November 20 2004 00:57 GMT
#6
Poor boxer TT Oov really gives him a lot of respect..
uhjoo
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)1740 Posts
November 20 2004 00:58 GMT
#7
On November 20 2004 09:57 mrdx wrote:
Oov is nice. He deserved the given title "Boxer's student"


it also seems like he's passing on the torch to canata. that's some serious pressure my god.
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yOOysi
Profile Joined December 2002
Poland726 Posts
November 20 2004 01:01 GMT
#8
It is sad that Boxer lose.

Big thx for translation uhjoo. And i have a question to U:
How old are Boxer,oov and Canata ??
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Theory
Profile Joined October 2003
United States254 Posts
November 20 2004 01:02 GMT
#9
Nice interview - thanks yo!

Seems the two have a ton of respect for each which is cool. These leagues/tourney's obviously mean alot to these players. Look at Yellow after losing - sheesh. I'm sure that Oov will be around for awhile but I don't see boxer stepping aside yet either ;o
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cav
Profile Joined August 2004
Pitcairn514 Posts
November 20 2004 01:05 GMT
#10
"It was to the point where I almost wanted to lose the final."

?????? I know he wants Boxer to win (if he was playing someone else), but does this mean you think he didn't play his hardest?
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
November 20 2004 01:23 GMT
#11
At least he shows respect for Boxer. Now I don't feel as angry as before.
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PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-11-20 01:28:50
November 20 2004 01:23 GMT
#12
Thanks uhjoo, you rock as usual. Would be nice to read Boxer's reaction as well. I guess he didn't (couldn't) answer to any post-game interview, so maybe tomorrow or in a few days.

Anyway, Oov sounds more and more like a very nice guy to me, in addition to being the best in the world, hands down. He has a true winner spirit and he's definitely on his way to become one of the best SC players ever. His tournament record is already ridiculously awesome... seriously...
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analogkensho
Profile Joined June 2003
United States358 Posts
November 20 2004 01:28 GMT
#13
Thanks for translation, uhjoo!

This is just super classy by Oov. Some very smart comments too... congrats to him. +_+

Such a hard situation to be in though... wow.
1024MB
Profile Joined May 2004
United States1455 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-11-20 01:34:22
November 20 2004 01:34 GMT
#14
Thanks uhjoo!!!

And maybe now those fools who were bashing iloveoov before will see this and realize.

Oh and btw:

how to become a progamer:

he gave up on his own league, and practiced with me for 12 hours a day for 3 days, taking breaks only to eat.


:D
You learn from losing.
rOm
Profile Joined December 2002
Latvia1208 Posts
November 20 2004 01:53 GMT
#15
Don't think that canata sacrificed something, in fact, he gained even more, practicing with the mighty oov himself, 12 hours a day...
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VanDam
Profile Joined July 2004
Czech Republic4 Posts
November 20 2004 01:56 GMT
#16
i dont like Oov but whatever i wish he lose proleague
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WickeD
Profile Joined April 2003
Slovakia789 Posts
November 20 2004 01:59 GMT
#17
NO, I think SKT1 deserve to win the proleague....
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willyisback
Profile Joined May 2004
Vietnam147 Posts
November 20 2004 02:02 GMT
#18
great work uhjoo, I love reading this kind of stuff
Seems to me oov cared more about boxer winning than himself. Well, maybe not with 12 hour practice days -_-;;
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1024MB
Profile Joined May 2004
United States1455 Posts
November 20 2004 02:11 GMT
#19
On November 20 2004 11:02 willyisback wrote:
great work uhjoo, I love reading this kind of stuff
Seems to me oov cared more about boxer winning than himself. Well, maybe not with 12 hour practice days -_-;;


They need to practice regardless. He said he didn't even use his practice anyway (subconscious playing). He still won. Just shows 1:

He's good.

2: he has manners

Him are BoxeR are both equally cool. ^^
You learn from losing.
taDa
Profile Joined October 2004
575 Posts
November 20 2004 02:30 GMT
#20
BoxeR was the one who brought him into the team. BoxeR was one of the only people to believe in oov. BoxeR taught oov almost everything he knows. Very bittersweet.
GG
useLess
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4781 Posts
November 20 2004 02:37 GMT
#21
Oov doesnt sound as happy as he should, and BoxeR cried?
Moonlight Shadow
Catyoul *
Profile Joined April 2004
France2377 Posts
November 20 2004 02:55 GMT
#22
This almost made me cry.
It's nice to hear more of oov, he's such a nice guy after all.
WhyDidTheyBanMe
Profile Joined November 2004
Vietnam15 Posts
November 20 2004 03:02 GMT
#23
i dont like him
because to be modest is to be arrogrant
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S.L-2ndsky
Profile Joined November 2004
Great Britain21 Posts
November 20 2004 03:14 GMT
#24
boxer rushed? :D
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RockJunkie
Profile Joined December 2002
Mexico171 Posts
November 20 2004 03:16 GMT
#25
Thanks uhjoo, imo these interviews should be posted as news
LetMeBeWithYou
Profile Joined August 2004
Canada4254 Posts
November 20 2004 03:17 GMT
#26
On November 20 2004 12:02 WhyDidTheyBanMe wrote:
i dont like him
because to be modest is to be arrogrant


wtf? w/e who cares about your opinion

Yay OoV! i knew he'd win ^^;; but it sucks the finals had to be 2 closet friends not to mention teacher/student and Same team players T.T;;

and jesus canata that just made me rain whole lot respect for him he gave up his league to train with oov what a nice guy T.T
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Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
November 20 2004 03:32 GMT
#27
Oh my god. I fucking hate everything right now.
FrEaK[S.sIR]
Profile Joined October 2002
2373 Posts
November 20 2004 03:34 GMT
#28
On November 20 2004 12:02 WhyDidTheyBanMe wrote:
i dont like him
because to be modest is to be arrogrant


you hate him when he's confident
and you hate him when he's modest.

What sheer ignorance.
WhyDidTheyBanMe
Profile Joined November 2004
Vietnam15 Posts
November 20 2004 03:40 GMT
#29
may be you all bet on him
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ReBanned
Profile Joined April 2004
1929 Posts
November 20 2004 03:44 GMT
#30
He felt bad for whoopin boxer
2ndFoundation
Profile Joined April 2003
Germany212 Posts
November 20 2004 03:48 GMT
#31
uhjoo u know what? i <3 u.
racebannon
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada1225 Posts
November 20 2004 03:50 GMT
#32
I felt bad for oov because more than half the crowd just up and left the second boxer typed gg in game 5. No one was happy he won, and he can't even find joy in it either because he had to beat his friend.
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1024MB
Profile Joined May 2004
United States1455 Posts
November 20 2004 03:50 GMT
#33
On November 20 2004 12:17 LetMeBeWithYou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2004 12:02 WhyDidTheyBanMe wrote:
i dont like him
because to be modest is to be arrogrant


wtf? w/e who cares about your opinion


Not me :D
You learn from losing.
pinbaLL
Profile Joined March 2004
Sweden1711 Posts
November 20 2004 03:53 GMT
#34
On November 20 2004 12:50 1024MB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2004 12:17 LetMeBeWithYou wrote:
On November 20 2004 12:02 WhyDidTheyBanMe wrote:
i dont like him
because to be modest is to be arrogrant


wtf? w/e who cares about your opinion


Not me :D

Nor me
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
November 20 2004 03:53 GMT
#35
On November 20 2004 12:50 racebannon wrote:
I felt bad for oov because more than half the crowd just up and left the second boxer typed gg in game 5. No one was happy he won, and he can't even find joy in it either because he had to beat his friend.

I might become an Oov fan for this fact alone
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gg_hertzz
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
2152 Posts
November 20 2004 03:56 GMT
#36
Looks like OOv is destined to be unloved.

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raidern_br
Profile Joined November 2002
Brazil610 Posts
November 20 2004 04:00 GMT
#37
well i like oov and boxer
but i hoping that boxer would won because i wanted him so much to become the first one to hold 3 OGN championships, and seal his name as best bw player ever
but still, he's the only one who made it to 5 finals

congrats Lim Yo Hwan, you deserve it!
Gogogo
Elvin_vn
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
Vietnam2038 Posts
November 20 2004 04:07 GMT
#38
On November 20 2004 12:53 pinbaLL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2004 12:50 1024MB wrote:
On November 20 2004 12:17 LetMeBeWithYou wrote:
On November 20 2004 12:02 WhyDidTheyBanMe wrote:
i dont like him
because to be modest is to be arrogrant


wtf? w/e who cares about your opinion


Not me :D

Nor me

Neither ;] ;> ;}
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fjfjfjfj
Profile Joined November 2004
United States32 Posts
November 20 2004 04:26 GMT
#39
such drama =(
Macrophage
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany730 Posts
November 20 2004 04:57 GMT
#40
On November 20 2004 12:02 WhyDidTheyBanMe wrote:
i dont like him
because to be modest is to be arrogrant

i thought that was a funny and intelligent comment on all the oov haters but w/e :>
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
November 20 2004 04:57 GMT
#41
Thanks for the translation, uhjoo .

I've noticed that oov tends to be more of a serious and almost depressing kind of person than any other pro. Maybe it's because he's just that way, or maybe it's because he's totally honest when interviewed and doesn't feel any need to appease his fans (probably a combination of both).

In fact, one thing I like about korean progamers in general is that they are honest, up-front, and "real", as opposed to a celebrity or idol who tries to look good for the fans and conceals his or her shortcomings.
useLess
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4781 Posts
November 20 2004 04:59 GMT
#42
OPINION SLASH MY VIEW ON THINGS:
We have BoxeR, who is easily the starcraft equivalent of a boss fight. He became a household name; practically anyone who pays attention to the pro scene knows who he is and his exploits. Seems there was a small bump somewhere, and he tripped on a step. So he has to struggle a little now, in terms of league rankings, win/loss, whatever. You get the point. Hes made up this far once again. Winning this would show that hes still the amazing BoxeR he was years ago (not to say that he isnt now). Losing ... well, that could mean a lot of things, but I wont go into that.

END OPINION.
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EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
November 20 2004 05:08 GMT
#43
Poor oov, definitely sounds like the most possible bittersweet victory he can have. I would like to think though that Boxer looks back on it as not his loss, but as his student's victory.

Thanks for translation uhjoo
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PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
November 20 2004 05:09 GMT
#44
On November 20 2004 13:59 useless wrote:
Winning this would show that hes still the amazing BoxeR he was years ago (not to say that he isnt now). Losing ... well, that could mean a lot of things, but I wont go into that.


Considering how close the final was, I doubt it means much. Boxer lost two OSL when he was in his prime anyway.
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IcedEarth
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States3661 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-11-20 05:15:08
November 20 2004 05:13 GMT
#45
Wow ... Iloveoov is a very passionate gamer. Mucho respect for this man. He's been my fave terran pro for a year already, but wow, I never expected personal personality to come out.

And btw uhjoo
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bangchucaibang
Profile Joined September 2004
United States202 Posts
November 20 2004 05:16 GMT
#46
Reading OOv's interview, I feel like he is a very nice person.
Way to go, champ
hhkx
Profile Joined October 2004
Canada757 Posts
November 20 2004 06:29 GMT
#47
ty for the translation
hhkx
Profile Joined October 2004
Canada757 Posts
November 20 2004 06:30 GMT
#48
can someone tell me, how many osl seasons are there in one year?
SoLaR[i.C]
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
United States2969 Posts
November 20 2004 06:35 GMT
#49
The student has become the master.
Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-11-20 06:36:40
November 20 2004 06:36 GMT
#50
On November 20 2004 15:30 hhkx wrote:
can someone tell me, how many osl seasons are there in one year?


three, approximatly
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karelen
Profile Joined October 2003
Sweden2407 Posts
November 20 2004 07:18 GMT
#51
they both rock
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itzMorglum
Profile Joined October 2004
Poland171 Posts
November 20 2004 07:23 GMT
#52
gg both. Respect for winer and loser.... never expected it could look like this....
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Profile Joined June 2004
United States323 Posts
November 20 2004 07:49 GMT
#53
And for the future... Canata fighting!!!!`
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FeelTheMoment
Profile Joined August 2004
89 Posts
November 20 2004 07:54 GMT
#54
competitive sport is cruel, however such scene warms my heart.
Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
November 20 2004 09:29 GMT
#55
They gave us 5 great games, and hands down for boxer showing he can pull of insane strategies with such high stakes yet another time. oov was best this day though, and game nr1 and 3 he showed it coming back after a poor start again. IMO they're both winners.
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EntertainMe
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
864 Posts
November 20 2004 09:37 GMT
#56
thx for the translation....
can anyone tell me the prize for 1st 2nd and 3rd?
Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
November 20 2004 09:40 GMT
#57
1st 20.000.000 won (~20.000 US $)
2nd 10.000.000 won (~10.000 US $)
3rd 5.000.000 won (~5.000 US $)
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EntertainMe
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
864 Posts
November 20 2004 09:43 GMT
#58
ty
ieatkids5
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States4628 Posts
November 20 2004 09:47 GMT
#59
Thanks for the translation, uhjoo.
Oov seems so sad that he beat Boxer...
He should be happy.
worst.player
Profile Joined July 2004
625 Posts
November 20 2004 09:51 GMT
#60
Gratzi uhjoo. I'm with everyone when they say "you rock."

oov is so damn good.. my god. who would've thought oov would win? and all 5 games were great? too bad oov's win was so bittersweet.

The student has become the master.

Haha.. too true though.
TheEarthIsFlat
Profile Joined October 2004
United States54 Posts
November 20 2004 10:07 GMT
#61
On November 20 2004 11:30 taDa wrote:
BoxeR was the one who brought him into the team. BoxeR was one of the only people to believe in oov. BoxeR taught oov almost everything he knows. Very bittersweet.


Can anyone explain this to me? It doesn't seem to make sense. Boxer taught iloveoov to play a boring, pure macro style game?
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
11739 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-11-20 10:21:34
November 20 2004 10:19 GMT
#62
On November 20 2004 19:07 TheEarthIsFlat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2004 11:30 taDa wrote:
BoxeR was the one who brought him into the team. BoxeR was one of the only people to believe in oov. BoxeR taught oov almost everything he knows. Very bittersweet.


Can anyone explain this to me? It doesn't seem to make sense. Boxer taught iloveoov to play a boring, pure macro style game?


He taught him the importance of certain things for Terran. He taught him how to micro as well as he does, and he taught him how to think while playing, moreso than he did before. What's so hard to understand?

I never hated OOv, and I didn't like him anymore after he beat Boxer, but after reading the interview, I have to give a lot of respect to him. It has to be so hard to beat Boxer in the finals like that. So sad. It's so sad that it couldn't have been a happy ending between team mates, like Yellow vs Reach.

To whoever asked if OOv wasn't playing his best: he was, but he was hoping that Boxer would out play him. (In reference to the comment about him wanting to lose) Of course, he couldn't just throw a game, though.
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Hautamaki
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Canada1311 Posts
November 20 2004 10:22 GMT
#63
Who has the best defense in progaming? Iloveoov. Who has the best offence? In tvt you'd say Boxer. I don't think it's any coincidence... Boxer didn't teach Iloveoov how to play his style, he taught him how to defend against and defeat his style...

oops =p
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uhjoo
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)1740 Posts
November 20 2004 10:28 GMT
#64
the pregame conversations were actually sort of heartwarming... everyone by now knows boxer's famous quote about OOv before he burst onto the scene about how "this is a terran that will shake the world" (or something like that). well in the live pregame interviews, boxer basically recalled how he said this, and he said something to the order of "i'm grateful to him for making my prediction come true." it was massively touching

it was just as touching when the mc asked OOv if he thinks he will win, and he said, roughly translated, "i will win even if i have to force myself to do so." clearly a tribute to how torn he was to having to beat boxer, but also a tribute to his professional attitude. it was cool~

i want bubbles the warrior monkey back
Hwoarang
Profile Joined August 2004
Korea (South)235 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-11-20 10:34:45
November 20 2004 10:34 GMT
#65
Nice interview, thanks for the update uhjoo~
I think in game 4 its possible that Boxer may have not had 50 minerals after all his scvs got killed by the wraith...(!!)
so oov could have floated his buildings and got a draw..one of the commentators said this was a possibility..i dunno if they're gonna bother checking it o_O
To do is to be -(Aristotle) To be is to do -(Edison) Do be do be do -(Sinatra)
Raith
Profile Joined September 2004
United States38 Posts
November 20 2004 10:48 GMT
#66
go oov.. sniff box..
HaSuTeDdYBeaR
BoxerFan
Profile Joined November 2004
Korea (South)4 Posts
November 20 2004 13:02 GMT
#67
On November 20 2004 19:34 Hwoarang wrote:
Nice interview, thanks for the update uhjoo~
I think in game 4 its possible that Boxer may have not had 50 minerals after all his scvs got killed by the wraith...(!!)
so oov could have floated his buildings and got a draw..one of the commentators said this was a possibility..i dunno if they're gonna bother checking it o_O


No. Boxer had a meeting with his fans at pub after the game. According to one fan, he said there that he had more than 50 minerals.
Nice to meet you. I am a fan of a legend player, Boxer.
cYaN
Profile Joined May 2004
Norway3322 Posts
November 20 2004 13:46 GMT
#68
never liked oov that much, just hope the ogn curse takes him out of the game next time.
ItchReliever
Profile Joined April 2004
2489 Posts
November 20 2004 14:00 GMT
#69
competition is cruel, communism for all
BinaryStar
Profile Joined November 2004
Afghanistan669 Posts
November 20 2004 14:15 GMT
#70
Boxer cried? Hahaha... that means Oov has managed to beat NaDa, Yellow, Boxer (arguably the top 3 progamers) and made two of them cry (NaDa and Boxer).

Go Oov!!
Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
November 20 2004 14:47 GMT
#71
Very cool, I agree that Boxer's early game was strong. Game 2, Boxer was just so awesome, but oov managed to come back.
Really nice interview!
Trucy Wright is hot
AMDme
Profile Joined November 2004
84 Posts
November 20 2004 14:55 GMT
#72
yo hwan cried... and i cried....my heart was broken...
BoxeR 4ever
yeehaw
Profile Joined October 2004
San Marino888 Posts
November 20 2004 15:11 GMT
#73
I didn't feel like doing anything yesterday. Same for today, though less intensity.
G_G
yeehaw
Profile Joined October 2004
San Marino888 Posts
November 20 2004 15:12 GMT
#74
On November 20 2004 19:22 Hautamaki wrote:
Who has the best defense in progaming? Iloveoov. Who has the best offence? In tvt you'd say Boxer. I don't think it's any coincidence... Boxer didn't teach Iloveoov how to play his style, he taught him how to defend against and defeat his style...

oops =p


I think there is much truth in this statement. Does it mean Boxer will go downhill? The master-student relationship, oov has gained much from it, Boxer much less so.
G_G
AMDme
Profile Joined November 2004
84 Posts
November 20 2004 15:19 GMT
#75
i heard that the 4th game was exciting,anyone can describe some details?
BoxeR 4ever
Addicted`To`Zerg
Profile Joined August 2004
Bulgaria1353 Posts
November 20 2004 15:33 GMT
#76
has oov changed - i don't see his arrogance.

he says:
I'm so sad. , I don't want to meet him in this kind of situation ever again

that's cute
thelucas
Profile Joined October 2004
Slovakia285 Posts
November 20 2004 15:58 GMT
#77
OOv = truly champion
OOv I like him, and i am sad, that there is no more people thinking in the same way.
this is possibility to show what is perfection
RP80
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden64 Posts
November 20 2004 17:54 GMT
#78
thelucas: I can only agree, he is the best. I think he is without a doubt the strongest player ever in the history of Starcraft. I mean players are so much better nowdays then a couple of years back and Ilove is totally dominating despite how hard it is, it says quite alot...
However he will sadly never be a very popular player since his style is not "flashy" and "goodlooking".
DaZe
Profile Joined November 2003
Sweden2111 Posts
November 20 2004 18:04 GMT
#79
nice interview, he is indeed manner
Schmutsig
Profile Joined July 2004
Netherlands29 Posts
November 20 2004 21:27 GMT
#80
Oov: The reason I was able to win is that I played at a subconscious level. I didn't play as I had prepared. I gave myself to the flow of the game.

omg, this is soo cool. The level of skill these guys have is unbelievable. Amazing games, amazing story. thnx Manifesto7 and uhjoo
MPXMX
Profile Joined December 2002
Canada4309 Posts
November 20 2004 21:34 GMT
#81
I think boxer wanted to exit on a good note
He's been planning to leave progaming, right?
I wonder if he'll stop now, after this drama or still try to win something one last time before leaving.
VdP]EpiphaNy
Profile Joined March 2004
United Kingdom992 Posts
November 20 2004 22:03 GMT
#82
i thought he's not leaving for still a while to come? ..;p
Reach - I love protoss because its tough and straight. Its a race for the men
ky[Z]
Profile Joined January 2003
China1730 Posts
November 20 2004 23:14 GMT
#83
lol....boxer managed to achieved 2nd place in OGN after... .well...how many...4-5 years of his progaming life(?) is quite impressive.
Terran is SOoOo over-powered~!! Especially in TvT~!
SW)RIF
Profile Joined December 2003
United States563 Posts
November 20 2004 23:14 GMT
#84
Im guessing benzoic-acid was either banned or is inactive on teamliquid. This guy was in support of oov months back, and only a few of us were here to defend oov and benzoic. Im glad to see more people coming around, but hopefully not because of bandwagonning.

I think to clarify anyones conception about who will be the best in the future.. they wont be flashy or stylistic. You gotta be a moron to ignore that the game has been refinded into a machine of execution. It becomes more and more difficult for rare strategies or builds to accomplish wins. If anyone dethrowns OOv's dominance in the future, he will have to be even better with the keyboard.
RedDress
Profile Joined November 2004
Poland229 Posts
November 20 2004 23:25 GMT
#85
boxer lose , sad (( HOWEVER gw oVV .
1st - not for fame , 2nd - not for money . Just for aiur.
VerticalHorizon
Profile Joined September 2004
United States415 Posts
November 21 2004 03:08 GMT
#86
nice interview... :-(
Call it the greatest sin to prefer existence over honor and, for the sake of life, to lose the reasons for living. - Juvenal, Satires
EntertainMe
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
864 Posts
November 21 2004 03:10 GMT
#87
A: They cheered me while believing in me. I'm so thankful. Also I'm particularly thankful to Koh, In-gyu (Canata). Even though he is in the semifinals of the "King of Rookies," he gave up on his own league, and practiced with me for 12 hours a day for 3 days, taking breaks only to eat. I'm so thankful. It's something I felt while practicing with him but this is a player that is really going to get big. (Canata) is a player who practiced with me for the Cengame finals and joined our team. I think he will be the next one to bear the flag for SK Telecom's terran tradition.


practiced 12 hours a day for 3 days, taking breaks only to eat......

of tvt.....

gg, oov takes my respect
Alpha
Profile Joined September 2004
France1495 Posts
November 21 2004 04:22 GMT
#88
did boxer really cried too bad
The psi bolts enlighten me.
Hippopotamus
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
1914 Posts
November 21 2004 04:44 GMT
#89
Umm, not to try to lead this thread off topic or anything, but where is Boxer's post game interview?
badme
Profile Joined February 2004
United States49 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-18 16:21:05
November 21 2004 06:03 GMT
#90
Nightkin
Profile Joined November 2004
Germany4 Posts
November 21 2004 07:07 GMT
#91
I really want to knwo why Boxer cried. Because he lost, and was disappointed, or was it becasue he was just touched by the situation.
I would like to knwo more about it, and hope that there will be a post final interview with Boxer.
MoltkeWarding
Profile Joined November 2003
5195 Posts
November 21 2004 08:23 GMT
#92
Boxer always looks like he's on the verge of tears. Like after game 4 of 2002 starleague when he lost to reach :/
Jaxx
Profile Joined July 2004
Slovakia758 Posts
November 21 2004 09:06 GMT
#93
I'd like to see things that happened after the last match like victory ceremony, did anybody record also this?

And btw., this iview really impressed me and made me change my opinion about oov, i think he's really nice guy saying this. Anyway, i hope BoxeR will make it in next OGN...
instantbunz
Profile Joined November 2004
United States319 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-11-21 12:34:01
November 21 2004 12:27 GMT
#94
I think a lot of people wanted Boxer to win, partly because of his long history with Starcraft. After all, he was the one that raised the standard of gaming in Starcraft, bringing innovative ways in playing, such as certain kinds of build, control of units, etc. He is one of the few members that have been there since the beginning of progamers.

Personally, I was also hoping that Boxer would win. But in another light I can see how this would benefit Boxer a lot. He did set the record for entering the most semi-finals, beating Yellow, and he is one championship away from winning the most titles. I remember that Boxer said that this final would be as though he was fighting with himself, since he had taught iloveoov lots of things (but not all, as iloveoov was surprised by the build order in the fourth game that he had never seen before).

One interesting thing that I saw at FighterForum.com was their Weekly MVP. The way the MVP is decided is from the votes of the commentators (which make up a large portion of the vote) and from the votes of the people.

It is interesting how 60% of the commentators (the Starcraft experts, analyzers of the game) and 39% of the people voted for iloveoov. This is about half of the people that voted for him.

When Boxer beat Yellow in the semi-finals, 90% of the commentators and 72% of the people voted for him. Normally, when people get picked for MVP, it should be about this much difference.

I can see why only 60% commentators voted for iloveoov. It is because in the beginning of almost every match, he was being controlled by Boxer's mindgames. It was only because of Boxer's little but extremely crucial mistakes (such as not completely scouting a certain area) that turned the tide of the game.

From reading Boxer's message to his fans (536,000+ people registered) on the forum (cafe.daum.net/yohwanfan) posted a few hours ago, I take back what I said about Boxer having the least pressure, because of his experience in the finals. Boxer had to put up with more pressure than iloveoov in the finals, because he had to hold up all that he had achieved, in his position as the Emperor of Terran.

He also wrote on the forum how he could not concentrate during the game, regardless of how much he had planned for the game, ever since the moment he knew that he would be facing iloveoov in the finals. Though this sounds like an excuse for losing the game, I really believe what he said. To lose games 1 and 5 (maps Bitfrost III), both games of which the commentators predicted that Boxer would win if played, tells me that Boxer, though his initial start/build order was going as practiced, could not continue to carry on to the end because of the enormous amount of pressure.

But for now, I am confident that Boxer will forget the past achievements, and return to the one and only

SlayerS_`BoxeR`

-instantbunz-
Veni.Vidi.Vici.
mightypenny_ph
Profile Joined September 2004
Philippines259 Posts
November 21 2004 14:15 GMT
#95
gogogogo BoxeR
SlayerS_`BoxeR` + [ReD]NaDa
likeboxer
Profile Joined December 2003
Korea (South)465 Posts
November 21 2004 14:23 GMT
#96
On November 21 2004 21:27 instantbunz wrote:
I think a lot of people wanted Boxer to win, partly because of his long history with Starcraft. After all, he was the one that raised the standard of gaming in Starcraft, bringing innovative ways in playing, such as certain kinds of build, control of units, etc. He is one of the few members that have been there since the beginning of progamers.

Personally, I was also hoping that Boxer would win. But in another light I can see how this would benefit Boxer a lot. He did set the record for entering the most semi-finals, beating Yellow, and he is one championship away from winning the most titles. I remember that Boxer said that this final would be as though he was fighting with himself, since he had taught iloveoov lots of things (but not all, as iloveoov was surprised by the build order in the fourth game that he had never seen before).

One interesting thing that I saw at FighterForum.com was their Weekly MVP. The way the MVP is decided is from the votes of the commentators (which make up a large portion of the vote) and from the votes of the people.

It is interesting how 60% of the commentators (the Starcraft experts, analyzers of the game) and 39% of the people voted for iloveoov. This is about half of the people that voted for him.

When Boxer beat Yellow in the semi-finals, 90% of the commentators and 72% of the people voted for him. Normally, when people get picked for MVP, it should be about this much difference.

I can see why only 60% commentators voted for iloveoov. It is because in the beginning of almost every match, he was being controlled by Boxer's mindgames. It was only because of Boxer's little but extremely crucial mistakes (such as not completely scouting a certain area) that turned the tide of the game.

From reading Boxer's message to his fans (536,000+ people registered) on the forum (cafe.daum.net/yohwanfan) posted a few hours ago, I take back what I said about Boxer having the least pressure, because of his experience in the finals. Boxer had to put up with more pressure than iloveoov in the finals, because he had to hold up all that he had achieved, in his position as the Emperor of Terran.

He also wrote on the forum how he could not concentrate during the game, regardless of how much he had planned for the game, ever since the moment he knew that he would be facing iloveoov in the finals. Though this sounds like an excuse for losing the game, I really believe what he said. To lose games 1 and 5 (maps Bitfrost III), both games of which the commentators predicted that Boxer would win if played, tells me that Boxer, though his initial start/build order was going as practiced, could not continue to carry on to the end because of the enormous amount of pressure.

But for now, I am confident that Boxer will forget the past achievements, and return to the one and only

SlayerS_`BoxeR`

-instantbunz-


I love your post.
theDUD3
Profile Joined November 2004
Philippines1 Post
November 21 2004 15:37 GMT
#97
BoxeR was the one who brought him into the team. BoxeR was one of the only people to believe in oov. BoxeR taught oov almost everything he knows.


poor is the student who doesn't surpass his master.
DSky.Flayer
Profile Joined November 2003
Finland102 Posts
November 21 2004 21:26 GMT
#98
He sounds like little sad :O
PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
November 21 2004 21:28 GMT
#99
On November 21 2004 21:27 instantbunz wrote:
I think a lot of people wanted Boxer to win, partly because of his long history with Starcraft. After all, he was the one that raised the standard of gaming in Starcraft, bringing innovative ways in playing, such as certain kinds of build, control of units, etc. He is one of the few members that have been there since the beginning of progamers.

Personally, I was also hoping that Boxer would win. But in another light I can see how this would benefit Boxer a lot. He did set the record for entering the most semi-finals, beating Yellow, and he is one championship away from winning the most titles. I remember that Boxer said that this final would be as though he was fighting with himself, since he had taught iloveoov lots of things (but not all, as iloveoov was surprised by the build order in the fourth game that he had never seen before).

One interesting thing that I saw at FighterForum.com was their Weekly MVP. The way the MVP is decided is from the votes of the commentators (which make up a large portion of the vote) and from the votes of the people.

It is interesting how 60% of the commentators (the Starcraft experts, analyzers of the game) and 39% of the people voted for iloveoov. This is about half of the people that voted for him.

When Boxer beat Yellow in the semi-finals, 90% of the commentators and 72% of the people voted for him. Normally, when people get picked for MVP, it should be about this much difference.

I can see why only 60% commentators voted for iloveoov. It is because in the beginning of almost every match, he was being controlled by Boxer's mindgames. It was only because of Boxer's little but extremely crucial mistakes (such as not completely scouting a certain area) that turned the tide of the game.

From reading Boxer's message to his fans (536,000+ people registered) on the forum (cafe.daum.net/yohwanfan) posted a few hours ago, I take back what I said about Boxer having the least pressure, because of his experience in the finals. Boxer had to put up with more pressure than iloveoov in the finals, because he had to hold up all that he had achieved, in his position as the Emperor of Terran.

He also wrote on the forum how he could not concentrate during the game, regardless of how much he had planned for the game, ever since the moment he knew that he would be facing iloveoov in the finals. Though this sounds like an excuse for losing the game, I really believe what he said. To lose games 1 and 5 (maps Bitfrost III), both games of which the commentators predicted that Boxer would win if played, tells me that Boxer, though his initial start/build order was going as practiced, could not continue to carry on to the end because of the enormous amount of pressure.

But for now, I am confident that Boxer will forget the past achievements, and return to the one and only

SlayerS_`BoxeR`

-instantbunz-


Can you please give me a link to your 3rd post? I've read only 2 and I'm definitely looking for the 3rd one now. Seriously, I <3 you.
Administrator
uhjoo
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)1740 Posts
November 22 2004 00:00 GMT
#100
[QUOTE]On November 21 2004 23:23 likeboxer wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 21 2004 21:27 instantbunz wrote:

From reading Boxer's message to his fans (536,000+ people registered) on the forum (cafe.daum.net/yohwanfan) posted a few hours ago...

I love your post. [/QUOTE]

thanks for your post... you motivated me to translate the entire note that you mention here (originally i wasn't going to do it b/c it was too much work but you motivated me!).

non korean-speakers, check the tourneys section for the translation.

welcome to teamliquid.net~~
i want bubbles the warrior monkey back
AutumnLight
Profile Joined July 2003
Ukraine2488 Posts
November 22 2004 01:11 GMT
#101
emotional interview,thnx uhjoo
Pray for War.
Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4511 Posts
November 22 2004 03:33 GMT
#102
please, boxer didn't teach oov anything, oov just got the perfect envirmoment to bring out his best game in that team.

you guys are romantising this WAY too much, it's sad :/
Team Liquid
TreK
Profile Joined August 2004
Sweden2089 Posts
November 22 2004 04:07 GMT
#103
i love these interviews, gives my heart back to broodwar again in a way its hard to describe
Bergkamp ftw!
TreK
Profile Joined August 2004
Sweden2089 Posts
November 22 2004 04:09 GMT
#104
cmon ret...share some love wtf :D
Bergkamp ftw!
PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-11-22 04:23:22
November 22 2004 04:15 GMT
#105
On November 22 2004 12:33 ret wrote:
please, boxer didn't teach oov anything, oov just got the perfect envirmoment to bring out his best game in that team.


So training with Boxer all week long doesn't make you learn things about 'strategy', 'timing' or 'micro'?
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maritini
Profile Joined October 2004
Greece121 Posts
November 22 2004 07:37 GMT
#106
thanx for the interview
ssregitoss
Profile Joined September 2004
Turkey241 Posts
November 22 2004 07:50 GMT
#107
people started to get angry about oov.cause he expands like he is playing zerg vs protoss.his game play will be solved.he is only taking expos and making units like machine.i still cant believe how reach lost to oov.
loztdignity
Profile Joined September 2004
Sweden176 Posts
November 23 2004 18:16 GMT
#108
cool interview, Uhjoo you are priceless.
no thx.
Vietnam_Oi
Profile Joined September 2003
Vietnam120 Posts
November 24 2004 01:11 GMT
#109
not as much glory for defenders as compared to being on the offensive
.
Alpha
Profile Joined September 2004
France1495 Posts
November 24 2004 01:45 GMT
#110
i want this in korean
The psi bolts enlighten me.
cSf.Vicek
Profile Joined January 2004
Czech Republic271 Posts
November 24 2004 03:08 GMT
#111
oov is best, but poor boxer ... they are both nice
88)GuMMi
Profile Joined August 2004
Sweden720 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-11-24 06:17:21
November 24 2004 06:16 GMT
#112
s
Puppy powaa
88)GuMMi
Profile Joined August 2004
Sweden720 Posts
November 24 2004 06:18 GMT
#113
On November 20 2004 09:33 uhjoo wrote:
Q: Your next goal?

A: To win round 3 of the Proleague. I'm so thankful to my fans who came all the way to Taejon (city where finals was located) to cheer for me. I have no words other than fuck you.


LOL i missread it first time.... was kind of in a shock and was gonna start laughing... lol :D
Puppy powaa
AMDme
Profile Joined November 2004
84 Posts
November 24 2004 15:10 GMT
#114
i hope boxer to win , but he didn't ,when he cried, i cried
BoxeR 4ever
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