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Monday, March 21th 2010, 18:00 KST, Channel MBCGame
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+ Show Spoiler + STX and Samsung have both been underperforming heavily lately, with flashes of inspiration here and there, but never really capitalizing on it. I, for one, expect a few answers:
Will a STX player make Power Rank again next month? Will Samsung finally play Turn again or will it continue to troll its fans with second rate Zergs and a slumping Jangbi? Will we witness a drastic trading of blows or a completely one-sided massacre? Is Tossgirl still hot? The answers may or may not be revealed this match!
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(unplayed games will be given random description to avoid spoilers).
+ Show Spoiler [Game 1] + Believe it or not, I'll recommend this game, if only so this doesn't happen to you when you play the losing player's common strategy.
+ Show Spoiler [Game 2] + Mustaju screaming multiple times? Check. Cool strategy choice? Check. Is the game still terrible? Probably. I'm more favorable about it than the rest of the voters, though.
+ Show Spoiler [Game 3] + Not a bad game by any measure. Lots of good spellusage.
+ Show Spoiler [Game 4] + Decent, but not spectacular. Kinda meh.
+ Show Spoiler [Game 5] + Low econ PvZ. Nice to watch. Yes.
+ Show Spoiler [Game 6] + BO win. Wouldn't say it's not entertaining, but I wouldn't say it merits a watch without the context.
+ Show Spoiler [Game 7] + All but a few probes get either stormed or scarabed from a macro game. INSANE. Yes.
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Poll: Who are you rooting for?Samsung KHAN (26) 68% STX SouL (8) 21% I don't want to talk about it. (4) 11% 38 total votes Your vote: Who are you rooting for? (Vote): Samsung KHAN
(Vote): STX SouL
(Vote): I don't want to talk about it.
Poll: Who will win?Samsung KHAN (11) 41% STX SouL (10) 37% I voted and didn't say anything at the same time. Take that, poll! (6) 22% 27 total votes Your vote: Who will win? (Vote): Samsung KHAN
(Vote): STX SouL
(Vote): I voted and didn't say anything at the same time. Take that, poll!
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United States13143 Posts
Although I don't like it, I think STX will win. Stork seems to be becoming shakier, Samsung's rookies haven't been as good as they were before in the last couple of matches, and Jangbi and great are still bad(did you know great is 2-8 in his last 10?).
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Both teams are already out of the playoffs... so this could go either way.
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The predictions are spot on, alas... however, since this apparently doesnt affect playoffs standings - i.e. doesnt matter for khan - Khan will probably win. They always seem to win when it doesnt really matter (in recent history anyway). Can't wait for normal PL anyway, so Khan can actually use more than 4 players a match...
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On March 21 2011 16:00 structuralinertia wrote:
The predictions are spot on, alas... however, since this apparently doesnt affect playoffs standings - i.e. doesnt matter for khan - Khan will probably win. They always seem to win when it doesnt really matter (in recent history anyway). Can't wait for normal PL anyway, so Khan can actually use more than 4 players a match...
Well when there's no stress, you tend to do better.
Remember Oz 3-0 MBC at the end of r5 last time?
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is samsung out even if they win this? :/
edit: out of the WL playoffs, that is
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On March 21 2011 16:24 a7choi wrote:
is samsung out even if they win this? :/
edit: out of the WL playoffs, that is
Yeah, their differential is pretty bad.
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Stork AK please
Edit: sick banner KasPra
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out of playoffs eh??
well see some weird games from Brain Zerg and Storkuu
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No mentions of the Easter eggs 10 minutes before gamestart. Pity.
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United States10328 Posts
why am I up and why is this banner so sick
edit: lol stx shelter pretty good, and pokemon ... i should figure out stuff beyond gen 2 
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why justintv :S? it sucksssssss
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holyshit such a sick banner
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
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Lots of love to xsebT using Justin.TV : )
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1 of everything build from turn..lol
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clam going for bust...turn is going to be screwed if he doesnt bunker up
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LurkersHydras > Fast Vessel
Seriously Turn, get a bunker.
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On March 21 2011 18:18 mnesthes wrote:
Lurkers hydras > Fast Vessel
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I guess that's it 
gg
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poor turn countered so hard =S
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Poll: Would you recommend game 1?No (11) 69% Yes (4) 25% Check it out if you have time. (1) 6% 16 total votes Your vote: Would you recommend game 1? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Check it out if you have time.
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5 hydras > terran who finds defenses overrated
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god turn that was pathetic. it takes skill to lose tvz on fortress
that being said, calm can you please show us a macro game vs T?
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On March 21 2011 18:19 Katsuge wrote: I thought Calm was going to get Lurkers, but then he just saw what was the whole defense of Turn, and decided Lurkers would be overkill.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
lol turn,over in a blink of an eye.
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khan sending their rookies.
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Reality - Bonjwa in the making.
Oh and, if Reality loses, send Jangbi.
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kal vs stork please.
i bet kal prepared something for stork
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On March 21 2011 18:27 mnesthes wrote:
Reality - Bonjwa in the making.
Oh and, if Reality loses, send Jangbi.
Every year, jangbi slumps harder : ( probably coz stork stole his thunder
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On March 21 2011 18:16 Katsuge wrote:
1 of everything build from turn..lol
And a whole lot of nothing.
Looks like Calm has been watching Day9.
When your opponent tries some kind of crazy unorthodox build, what do you do?
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Sending out a terran next is a no-brainer on this map.
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United States10328 Posts
wow calm, queen's nest right after mutas pop... no lurkers??
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queens nest going down. guardians
edit: wait, den being built?
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greater spire and a million sunkens... what is Calm doing?
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Greater Spire + Nydus Canal...
Calm must have found the Walkable Guardians upgrade.
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United States10328 Posts
calm with sunken d + hive and guardians incoming! vessel is out though
calm's 3rd barely online; guards morphing above calm's cliff at his 3rd
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Calm throwing away many scourge trying to snipe vessels over marines.
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buffer into guardians getting raped
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2 base hive into 2.5 base ultralisks. I like.
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reality should stop letting calm expand
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Reality flies a vessel right into some scourge as he lands his expo at the 9, cleaning up some lings waiting there. Calm starting to spawn ultras.
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wraith + vessel beat back the guardians the first time
defiler mound out
reality with huge mm push
calm's first swarm is ok, but probably insufficient
defiler irradiated
2 dropship for reality; ultra cavern for calm (is this "crazy zerg"??)
3rd cc for reality; his 2 dropships going... no clue
pretty good plague by calm on some rines in the ball
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calm again with an head-ache build
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Reality drops the main! It gets cleaned up without too much effort by a swarm, lings, and a guardian. 2 dropships head up toward Calm's 12' island expo, but one gets sniped by scourge before it gets close! The other one manages to drop off 3 marines which snipe the nydus before it gets hit by scourge! Calm's sunken is out of range of the marines which are hitting the hatch!
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i have no idea what reality is trying to accomplish here
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The hatch is down to red hp! Calm's new nydus completes but the hatch gets sniped before he can send any units through! An ultra finishes spawning right after the hatch dies!
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lol firebat marine drop kills a bunch of drones in calm's main
vessel scourged; scourges marined
cows are out; i guess calm is now on 4 gas
another reality drop in main, some kills
calm loses a lot of lings trying to backstab reality's 3rd
edit: good night, too sleepy
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conga line of 2 control groups of zerglings into a handful of mnm lol
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Reality with a huge bio ball and vessels sitting just outside Calm's nat. He attacks into the wall of sunkens and loses a control group of marines without killing anything. Calm lands a huge plague on most of the bioball and it gets torn apart by ultras! Scourge explode on all the vessels! They've traded armies!
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Calm fails so hard, I am out of words.
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LOL i didnt know that 3 marines can take out a hatchery :x
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Uhh calm, ultras have a long hatching time, not exactly a wise choice for wiping out a marine drop
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Reality moves out with a new bioball but runs into a pack of ultras and a defiler! Everything gets plagued again and dies! Reality retreats to his bunker with a firebat, spamming repair to kill all the lings!
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Reality drops the 12' expo up on the cliff, sniping the sunken and attacking the extractors! At the same time, Calm is invading Reality's nat and third with ultra/ling/defiler! Reality is running out of army and his bases are being overrun!
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Reality in some serious trouble now, pulling SCVs to help kill ultras while his bioball shoots at them through swarm. Ultras are rampaging through his main now, killing marines as they spawn!
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Calm looks so tortured when he's failing.
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reality should tech to bc's
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Reality ggs as he loses his only 2 mining bases in the blink of an eye and has ultras in his main.
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On March 21 2011 18:47 Musou wrote:
Reality drops the 12' expo up on the cliff, sniping the sunken and attacking the extractors! At the same time, Calm is invading Reality's nat and third with ultra/ling/defiler! Reality is running out of army and his bases are being overrun!
you need to stop ending all of your sentences with an exclamation mark!
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On March 21 2011 18:48 Musou wrote:
Reality ggs as he loses his only 2 mining bases in the blink of an eye and has ultras in his main. Huh are you from the future O_O
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On March 21 2011 18:48 okum wrote:
Calm looks so tortured when he's failing. The other guy was even worse.
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On March 21 2011 18:48 radialis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 18:47 Musou wrote:
Reality drops the 12' expo up on the cliff, sniping the sunken and attacking the extractors! At the same time, Calm is invading Reality's nat and third with ultra/ling/defiler! Reality is running out of army and his bases are being overrun! you need to stop ending all of your sentences with an exclamation mark!
But it's more exciting that way.
On March 21 2011 18:49 xarthaz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 18:48 Musou wrote:
Reality ggs as he loses his only 2 mining bases in the blink of an eye and has ultras in his main. Huh are you from the future O_O
Yes. I am.
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On March 21 2011 18:49 xarthaz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 18:48 Musou wrote:
Reality ggs as he loses his only 2 mining bases in the blink of an eye and has ultras in his main. Huh are you from the future O_O
Looks like it, bioball is never able to stop like 20 ultralisks its just not possible.
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no tank no mines vs cows no good
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On March 21 2011 18:49 xarthaz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 18:48 Musou wrote:
Reality ggs as he loses his only 2 mining bases in the blink of an eye and has ultras in his main. Huh are you from the future O_O
yeah that guy's a good few minutes ahead lol
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Reality is too stubborn how can he hope to do what only the great FBH can do?
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On March 21 2011 18:49 Womwomwom wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 18:49 xarthaz wrote:On March 21 2011 18:48 Musou wrote:
Reality ggs as he loses his only 2 mining bases in the blink of an eye and has ultras in his main. Huh are you from the future O_O Looks like it, bioball is never able to stop like 20 ultralisks its just not possible.
Flash vs Type-b, anyone?
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Haha, that was a weird game.
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Poll: Would you recommend game 2?Yes (8) 42% No (6) 32% Check it out if you have time. (5) 26% 19 total votes Your vote: Would you recommend game 2? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Check it out if you have time.
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On March 21 2011 18:50 MountainDewJunkie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 18:49 Womwomwom wrote:On March 21 2011 18:49 xarthaz wrote:On March 21 2011 18:48 Musou wrote:
Reality ggs as he loses his only 2 mining bases in the blink of an eye and has ultras in his main. Huh are you from the future O_O Looks like it, bioball is never able to stop like 20 ultralisks its just not possible. Flash vs Type-b, anyone? unfortunately Reality < Flash and Calm > type-b
but terrible game overall.
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Looks like Calm is all-killing today? Although I suppose Stork or Great might theoretically stop him...
That was a weird game.
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On March 21 2011 18:50 MountainDewJunkie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 18:49 Womwomwom wrote:On March 21 2011 18:49 xarthaz wrote:On March 21 2011 18:48 Musou wrote:
Reality ggs as he loses his only 2 mining bases in the blink of an eye and has ultras in his main. Huh are you from the future O_O Looks like it, bioball is never able to stop like 20 ultralisks its just not possible. Flash vs Type-b, anyone?
The difference there was that Type B had like 8 basically unupgraded ultras to stop Flash's two base all in. It was simply an awful game by Type B, he even locked his defiler in so he couldn't use swarm.
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On March 21 2011 18:45 mnesthes wrote:
Calm fails so hard, I am out of words.
Reality fails more.
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I promise Calm a cheerful if he all-kills.
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You watched Clam make a bunch of big cows and scorpions and kill a bunch of Reality's peasants.
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On March 21 2011 18:53 tomatriedes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 18:45 mnesthes wrote:
Calm fails so hard, I am out of words. Reality fails more. That was before I saw how Reality failed.
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Jangbi out third for Khan.
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wtf.... I kinda enjoyed both games.... but it isn't recommended in the polls. (?!?!) TL needs more  Calm fanboys
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to be honest, im shocked that january still trusts failbi.
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Jangbi places a pylon at his nat and heads out to scout. Calm opening with a 9 pool.
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On March 21 2011 18:59 chongu wrote:wtf.... I kinda enjoyed both games.... but it isn't recommended in the polls. (?!?!) TL needs more Calm fanboys
I enjoyed it. I like unorthodox play and on Empire of the Sun any ZvT win is a feat.
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On March 21 2011 19:00 Katsuge wrote:
to be honest, im shocked that january still trusts failbi.
Khan is in a massive downward spiral, everybody is failing equally so she has no choice. I would've personally sent Great and then Stork but let's see what happens.
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Jangbi goes FFE after scouting the early pool, adding a cannon and gateway to complete the wall. 1 ling makes it in right before the cannon completes!
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On March 21 2011 18:27 mnesthes wrote:
Reality - Bonjwa in the making.
Oh and, if Reality loses, send Jangbi. oh god hahahaha
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The ling stays alive for a good while, scouting everything Jangbi is doing, but gets trapped by 2 probes. It scores a kill before dying to the probes.
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why khan still sends jangbi is a great mistery to me
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Jangbi techs to templar as his first corsair pops and 3 zealots complete the wall off at his nat. First corsair heads out to hunt some overlords. Calm's spire completes but there are no sign of scourge just yet.
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Jangbi heads out with dt/sair toward Calm's 3rd at the 11' but is driven back by a large group of hydra and overlords. He decides to move out his speedlots and leaves his dt to block the ramp from the other entrance.
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Jangbi takes his third. A stop lurker awaits probes but Jangbi builds a cannon int he mineral line. He kills the lurker before it even attacks once. Jangbi takes his 4th and sends a zealot down to kill the single ling that is attacking his warping in nexus. Corsairs fly around and kill all the scourge they see.
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Jangbi sends some zealots to attack the third again, but there is now a sunken wall and some lurkers waiting for him. He moves the rest of his army up, ready to break the third. A shuttle drops off 2 DTs in calm's main at the same time his army cleans up. The 2 dts snipe a few drones as Jangbi moves the majority of his army into the third.The sunken wall goes down without much resistance and Jangbi storms slaughter Calm's reinforcements as they stream in. The 11' base is dead!
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On March 21 2011 19:13 Musou wrote:
Jangbi sends some zealots to attack the third again, but there is now a sunken wall and some lurkers waiting for him. He moves the rest of his army up, ready to break the third. A shuttle drops off 2 DTs in calm's main at the same time his army cleans up. The 2 dts snipe a few drones as Jangbi moves the majority of his army into the third.The sunken wall goes down without much resistance and Jangbi storms slaughter Calm's reinforcements as they stream in. The 11' base is dead!
Man, you really are from the future oO
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Jangbi streams nonstop units toward the 11' even though it's basically already dead. Calm desperately sends reinforcements as well, but they are just dying in streams as they come. Jangbi retreatts after taking down the 11', killing more units as he pulls back. Calm pushes out with everything he has toward Jangbi's stream of units, but storms go off everywhere, killing the majority of his units.
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On March 21 2011 19:14 corumjhaelen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 19:13 Musou wrote:
Jangbi sends some zealots to attack the third again, but there is now a sunken wall and some lurkers waiting for him. He moves the rest of his army up, ready to break the third. A shuttle drops off 2 DTs in calm's main at the same time his army cleans up. The 2 dts snipe a few drones as Jangbi moves the majority of his army into the third.The sunken wall goes down without much resistance and Jangbi storms slaughter Calm's reinforcements as they stream in. The 11' base is dead! Man, you really are from the future oO His stream is just ahead.
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Calm attacks with everything he has into Jangbi's third, but he loses his whole army for nothing. Jangbi takes a 5th at the 6' while everything is going on. Calm is basically dead at this point. Corsairs are rampaging across the map killing overlords as Calm loses the last of his army to Jangbi's death ball.
Calm ggs after losing his final army units.
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Oh nice, it's good to see Jangbi win something for a change.
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On March 21 2011 19:16 mnesthes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 19:14 corumjhaelen wrote:On March 21 2011 19:13 Musou wrote:
Jangbi sends some zealots to attack the third again, but there is now a sunken wall and some lurkers waiting for him. He moves the rest of his army up, ready to break the third. A shuttle drops off 2 DTs in calm's main at the same time his army cleans up. The 2 dts snipe a few drones as Jangbi moves the majority of his army into the third.The sunken wall goes down without much resistance and Jangbi storms slaughter Calm's reinforcements as they stream in. The 11' base is dead! Man, you really are from the future oO His stream is just ahead.
Yeah I know it was a joke, but it's like some minutes ahead, and as I only see one stream on TL...
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Jangbi didn't just win that game. He looked like he was in control from the very beginning. And those storm. Oh, those storms.
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haha just get home from work to see calm gg... to jangbi?!? what a pleasant surprise!!
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Poll: Would you recommend game 3?Yes (12) 86% No (1) 7% Check it out if you have time. (1) 7% 14 total votes Your vote: Would you recommend game 3? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Check it out if you have time.
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On March 21 2011 19:17 corumjhaelen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 19:16 mnesthes wrote:On March 21 2011 19:14 corumjhaelen wrote:On March 21 2011 19:13 Musou wrote:
Jangbi sends some zealots to attack the third again, but there is now a sunken wall and some lurkers waiting for him. He moves the rest of his army up, ready to break the third. A shuttle drops off 2 DTs in calm's main at the same time his army cleans up. The 2 dts snipe a few drones as Jangbi moves the majority of his army into the third.The sunken wall goes down without much resistance and Jangbi storms slaughter Calm's reinforcements as they stream in. The 11' base is dead! Man, you really are from the future oO His stream is just ahead. Yeah I know it was a joke, but it's like some minutes ahead, and as I only see one stream on TL...
I'm watching a source stream. I can restream it but it'll be on ustream and there are some audio issues with crackling whenever the commentators get excited and start yelling.
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On March 21 2011 19:20 Musou wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 19:17 corumjhaelen wrote:On March 21 2011 19:16 mnesthes wrote:On March 21 2011 19:14 corumjhaelen wrote:On March 21 2011 19:13 Musou wrote:
Jangbi sends some zealots to attack the third again, but there is now a sunken wall and some lurkers waiting for him. He moves the rest of his army up, ready to break the third. A shuttle drops off 2 DTs in calm's main at the same time his army cleans up. The 2 dts snipe a few drones as Jangbi moves the majority of his army into the third.The sunken wall goes down without much resistance and Jangbi storms slaughter Calm's reinforcements as they stream in. The 11' base is dead! Man, you really are from the future oO His stream is just ahead. Yeah I know it was a joke, but it's like some minutes ahead, and as I only see one stream on TL... I'm watching a source stream. I can restream it but it'll be on ustream and there are some audio issues with crackling whenever the commentators get excited and start yelling.
Well I don't know, Craton works for me, but it's chinese. I don't know, don't bother if it's only for me. Thanks anyway ! =)
Edit : Niiiice to see jangbi win, he needs it.
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Not the best micro from Jangbu, and some of the storms were a little off, but i'm happy to see Jangbi's back.
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JANBI ALL KILL? please, would love one of my favorite protoss's to get out of his slump 
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what is this
jangbi beating calm, ustream working for me. awesome
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On March 21 2011 19:20 Musou wrote:
I'm watching a source stream. I can restream it but it'll be on ustream and there are some audio issues with crackling whenever the commentators get excited and start yelling.
Please do! I would rather hear cackling audio, than chinese commentary...
Edit: Doesn't really fit, but: 100th post w00t!
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Hero out as STX's second player.
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On March 21 2011 19:23 Doraemon wrote:
what is this
jangbi beating calm, ustream working for me. awesome
its weird.... craton did you change any ustream settings?
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Jangbiiiii!!!
Please do at least another kill
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On March 21 2011 19:26 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 19:23 Doraemon wrote:
what is this
jangbi beating calm, ustream working for me. awesome its weird.... craton did you change any ustream settings?
well, ustream's still the same for me (no problem im watchin PLU), maybe its just south aus now O_o
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Both players scouting the wrong way as they open the same way as last game. (FFE vs 9pool)
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Hero taking a quick 4th. Jangbi doesn't manage to find any overlords before he has to go home due to scourge. A pair of scourge fly by Jangbi's base and scout everything. A DT heads out from Jangbi toward Hero's nat. It gets driven back by some detection and a sunken and heads down toward the 3rd/4th instead.
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hero gettin up a 4th at 5
jangbi moving out dts, backs them off
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Hero with a huge flock of scourge and muta heads toward Jangbi's 3rd. The probes are stacked as they maynard down. Both cannons get sniped as the probes retreat. Jangbi loses most of his corsairs to scourge as they try to chase off the muta. The muta back off because of an archon and the few remaining corsairs.
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jangbi posturing with a small archon/zeal force
hero getting muta
jangbi making a 3rd at 9
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Hero snipes some HT with his muta but loses almost all of them. Shuttle heads out to the 4th with a load of DT.
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Hero attacking into Jangbi's third with a HUGE ball of hydra. Storm kills a massive amount of hydra as the 2 DTs wreak havoc at the 4th. Jangbi doesn't have enough army to hold the third and it goes down to the hydras.
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hero attacking jangbis third with muta/scourge, kills a fair few sairs with scourge then backs off, but the third is still up
hero now pumping hydra, whilst sniping a couple hts... mutas nearly all dead but at least 3 ht sniped
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Jangbi moves out with his small army but runs into another huge army of hydra. They push into his nat. He doesn't have nearly enough storms to hold this off. The hydras push back all of Jangbi's army as lings stream in. Jangbi ggs as he loses control of his nat.
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Poll: Would you recommend game 4?No (8) 80% Yes (1) 10% Check it out if you have time. (1) 10% 10 total votes Your vote: Would you recommend game 4? (Vote): Yes
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if January sends great i will be raging like no tomorrow...
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and... hydra break to finish it, meh...
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January plz send out juni :D
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STX please win! I've had my LB on you guys!
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JAAANBBI . Hero's quick 4th with a lot of sunkens to defend each base. Hero just completely owned him.
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woah suzumiya haruhi on the stream o_O
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And Stork gets sent out as the ace player. Can he make it through Hero and the 2 snipers?
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Stork going for a gateway first build.
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On March 21 2011 19:50 Musou wrote:
And Stork gets sent out as the ace player. Can he make it through Hero and the 2 snipers?
Kal shouldn't be considered a sniper. I'm pretty sure he's just the regular ace.
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Hero gets thrown off by the lack of a pylon at the nat and sends his lings in the wrong direction. Stork doesn't block his ramp in time and 4 lings make it into his main, scouting everything.
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4 lings inside Storks main, dragoon and 2 zlots chasing them
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Stork now heading down to Hero's base with 2 zealots and a goon, chasing down lings and rallying more zealots down. Hero loses quite a few lings, unable to get a surround on Stork's units. First hydra pops as a corsair kills overlords.
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Stork putting on the pressure with a sair, dragoon and 3 zlots at heros natural.
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Stork kills off every ling and chases down the hydras without losing a single unit. Hero is in some serious trouble.
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MY FAVORITE PLAYER IS OWNING USING ONE OF MY FAVORITE BUILDS!
EDIT: and by build I mean style of build of course.
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Pheer the power of the gate first build!
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Hero finally gets enough hydra to kill off the zealots, but he loses a few drones and another overlord. Stork takes his nat as he streams more zealots down. Stork throws down 4 cannons and pulls a few probes at his nat as hydras head up toward his base for a counter attack.
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Stork putting up a natural and a bunch of cannons, hero chasing storks forces back to storks natural with a control gruop of hydras. Sairs also gotten quite a few kills already.
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Stork takes out another overlord but hangs around too long and loses a full hp corsair to hydras. His other corsair is nearly dead from earlier, but manages to slip away. Hero takes his min-only as his hydras soft-contain stork at the nat.
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Stork cannons up, which kills some of my buzz. I would much rather he'd held with ranged goons or a Reaver or something. Sinking 600 in cannons makes it easy for Zerg to drone up and expand.
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absolutely clutch sairs from stork, keeping hero from getting the hydras to roll him
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A corsair flies over Hero's base to scout everything and sees the morphing min-only, but flies right through some hydras and dies. A DT heads down, but there are overlords and hydras at every base.
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Even if Hero loses right here, I'm sure either Kal or Shuttle will pick up where he left off.
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Stork building nothing but zealots and templar now. He moves out with a control group of slowlots and a couple HT. Hero attempts to snipe the HT but gets chased around by the zealots. Speedlot upgrade finishes as Stork reaches Hero's nat and some good storms kill quite a few hydra. Hero pulls drones to defend, but he's losing all his units. An archon is blowing drones up left and right.
Hero ggs as he loses everything at his nat and some units at his third.
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this game is already recommended..
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Ouch, Stork's loss of those Corsairs is biting him hard. Mutas will be out soon - can his Zealot/Temp do enough damage before they arrive?
Wait - mutas aren't building? HERO GETTING STOMPED?
GG!
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Hero ggs. He was too behind from the start it wasn't even funny.
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Ahhh, always nice to see a build that doesn't go forge first.
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I didnt see heros build but does this game mean 10gate > 2 hatch hydra bust?
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GG! lol at the constant slow-zeals-chasing-hydras that game
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On March 21 2011 20:08 ShadeR wrote:
I didnt see heros build but does this game mean 10gate > 2 hatch hydra bust?
If he didnt put down a hydralisk den, he would've lost by unstoppable corsair amounts. It wasn't a bust, it was a defense measure.
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I don't understand.. What part of the last game was recommended? I guess Stork fanboyism rolls.
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On March 21 2011 20:10 Djagulingu wrote:
I don't understand.. What part of the last game was recommended? I guess Stork fanboyism rolls.
i dunno man.... maybe the AWESOME build?? -_-
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On March 21 2011 20:10 Djagulingu wrote:
I don't understand.. What part of the last game was recommended? I guess Stork fanboyism rolls.
People are probably just recommending it for a gate-first instead of forge-first PvZ.
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super sexy build love seeing something different from a forge fast expand
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Shuttle up for a PvP against Stork.
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On March 21 2011 20:11 structuralinertia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 20:10 Djagulingu wrote:
I don't understand.. What part of the last game was recommended? I guess Stork fanboyism rolls. i dunno man.... maybe the AWESOME build?? -_-
I'm not surprised by seeing the team flag after reading this. Your standard 1 gate tech into 2 gate zealot sairs against someone who either couldn't see that with runby lings or couldn't react accordingly.
You lose to any protoss player does that in iccup: Cheesy fag son of a beech.
Any protoss does that in proleague: This was the worst game of today
Stork does that: STORKUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU AUTO-RECOMMENDED.
On March 21 2011 20:11 Musou wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 20:10 Djagulingu wrote:
I don't understand.. What part of the last game was recommended? I guess Stork fanboyism rolls. People are probably just recommending it for a gate-first instead of forge-first PvZ.
I think it's just for Stork. I mean, the execution was good but build itself or the inability to scout that with runby lings or reacting poorly should keep people away from recommending imo.
On March 21 2011 20:13 Alex) wrote:
super sexy build love seeing something different from a forge fast expand
Again, see the first quote.
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On March 21 2011 20:17 Djagulingu wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 21 2011 20:11 structuralinertia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 20:10 Djagulingu wrote:
I don't understand.. What part of the last game was recommended? I guess Stork fanboyism rolls. i dunno man.... maybe the AWESOME build?? -_- I'm not surprised by seeing the team flag after reading this. Your standard 1 gate tech into 2 gate zealot sairs against someone who either couldn't see that with runby lings or couldn't react accordingly. You lose to any protoss player does that in iccup: Cheesy fag son of a beech. Any protoss does that in proleague: This was the worst game of today Stork does that: STORKUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU AUTO-RECOMMENDED. On March 21 2011 20:11 Musou wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 20:10 Djagulingu wrote:
I don't understand.. What part of the last game was recommended? I guess Stork fanboyism rolls. People are probably just recommending it for a gate-first instead of forge-first PvZ. I think it's just for Stork. I mean, the execution was good but build itself or the inability to scout that with runby lings or reacting poorly should keep people away from recommending imo. On March 21 2011 20:13 Alex) wrote:
super sexy build love seeing something different from a forge fast expand Again, see the first quote.
yeah i gotta agree, the stork fanboyism in this thread is out of control...
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On March 21 2011 20:17 Djagulingu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 20:11 structuralinertia wrote:On March 21 2011 20:10 Djagulingu wrote:
I don't understand.. What part of the last game was recommended? I guess Stork fanboyism rolls. i dunno man.... maybe the AWESOME build?? -_- I'm not surprised by seeing the team flag after reading this. Your standard 1 gate tech into 2 gate zealot sairs against someone who either couldn't see that with runby lings or couldn't react accordingly. You lose to any protoss player does that in iccup: Cheesy fag son of a beech. Any protoss does that in proleague: This was the worst game of today Stork does that: STORKUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU AUTO-RECOMMENDED. Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 20:11 Musou wrote:On March 21 2011 20:10 Djagulingu wrote:
I don't understand.. What part of the last game was recommended? I guess Stork fanboyism rolls. People are probably just recommending it for a gate-first instead of forge-first PvZ. I think it's just for Stork. I mean, the execution was good but build itself or the inability to scout that with runby lings or reacting poorly should keep people away from recommending imo.
One gate tech builds are almost NEVER seen in professional starcraft, and they're generally more exciting because of back-and-forth violence during the period when a forge FE would just be powering and teching.
Incidentally, is 1 gate tech into 2 gate zealots w/2 corsairs really a standard build? I've never seen it before, ever, and my standard PvZ openings have always been one-base.
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3 gate vs temp tech looks bad for stork.
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Shuttle adds a second gate early as Stork gets a goon first and heads out with a goon to Shuttle's main. Probe lures the goon away from his base. Shuttle goes with quick templar tech as Stork adds 2 more gates for 3 gate.
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Stork is not going to win with 3 gates against DTs :/
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Ooof, 2 gate DT is really the best build you could ask for against a 3 gate opening. Stork has no robo; if he drops a nexus, it's game over.
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Both players try to scout with a probe but get denied by goons. First DTs warp in for Shuttle. Stork still has no detection. He is going to be in some trouble. The 2 DTs sneak over to Stork's base as Stork attacks into Shuttle's army and wipe it out!
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Stork catches and slaughters the army, but DTs are rushing for his main! Stork has nothing to defend! His probes are fleeing for their lives!
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Both players pull all their probes. Shuttle spawns 2 more DTs and starts killing goons. SHuttle loses a gateway and his probes are under attack. A DT catches the probes in the center of the map and wipes them out.
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Shuttle loses all his probes as well, trying to run away. DTs are hunting down Stork's goons. Stork ggs as he has no detection and Shuttle has too many DTs!
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I think Stork is trying to eliminate Shuttle by dancing, but it's impossible with DTs sniping his goons.
Stork GGs.
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Stork ggs. Yay thanks Shuttle, Calm and Hero for saving my LB today!
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lol, what a crazy game!
definitly recommended!
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i think i have never seen a good pvp on this shit map.
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wait lol, could stork win this??!?
edit: stream behind :/
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On March 21 2011 20:17 Djagulingu wrote:
You lose to any protoss player does that in iccup: Cheesy fag son of a beech.
Any protoss does that in proleague: This was the worst game of today
Wrong.
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3 gate goon is not a happyface build.
I know pros have to be unpredictable, but I'd rather Stork had the confidence to open with either 1-2 gate robo or with a DT build of his own. Stork risked a build order loss, and got it.
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lol pvp seems to be such a gamble D:
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meh, nice aggression and probe graveyard, but nonetheless ye olde BO loss game.
terrible decision to go 3 gate imho
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wtf stork? this is inferior build in pvp. Not 4gate and cant beat 2 gate robo, serves nothing. There is time for robo at 3 gates.
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Looks like the WL playoff spots are all locked now with KT, Oz, SKT and Hite.
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On March 21 2011 20:30 Musou wrote:
Looks like the WL playoff spots are all locked now with KT, Oz, SKT and Hite. Already yesterday when SKT won.
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Looks like PvP can be as much of a BO win as ZvZ
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On March 21 2011 20:20 Severedevil wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 20:17 Djagulingu wrote:On March 21 2011 20:11 structuralinertia wrote:On March 21 2011 20:10 Djagulingu wrote:
I don't understand.. What part of the last game was recommended? I guess Stork fanboyism rolls. i dunno man.... maybe the AWESOME build?? -_- I'm not surprised by seeing the team flag after reading this. Your standard 1 gate tech into 2 gate zealot sairs against someone who either couldn't see that with runby lings or couldn't react accordingly. You lose to any protoss player does that in iccup: Cheesy fag son of a beech. Any protoss does that in proleague: This was the worst game of today Stork does that: STORKUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU AUTO-RECOMMENDED. On March 21 2011 20:11 Musou wrote:On March 21 2011 20:10 Djagulingu wrote:
I don't understand.. What part of the last game was recommended? I guess Stork fanboyism rolls. People are probably just recommending it for a gate-first instead of forge-first PvZ. I think it's just for Stork. I mean, the execution was good but build itself or the inability to scout that with runby lings or reacting poorly should keep people away from recommending imo. One gate tech builds are almost NEVER seen in professional starcraft, and they're generally more exciting because of back-and-forth violence during the period when a forge FE would just be powering and teching. Incidentally, is 1 gate tech into 2 gate zealots w/2 corsairs really a standard build? I've never seen it before, ever, and my standard PvZ openings have always been one-base.
The biggest reason why I'm saying that the game should not be recommended is that Hero was unable to see a stargate with runby lings or unable to react properly to what he saw. People can't see everything in every game and thus reactions won't be optimal in every single situation. That's why some games are recommended and some games are not.
Anyway, Shuttle beat Stork with a gay build that requires 25 apm and significantly less iq and he's the worst player in the world and he doesn't deserve to be a progamer.
+ Show Spoiler +Sarcasm, for people that irony doesn't cut it.
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On March 21 2011 20:27 Elefanto wrote:
lol pvp seems to be such a gamble D:
Yes and no. You can choose builds that have no hard counter (such as ZcoreZ --> 2 gate goon robo --> reaver expand) but you risk falling behind against certain riskier builds (like 2-3 gate nexus).
You can also hedge your bets by buying a forge, if there's a risk of dying to stealth or non-reaver aggression.
Safe openings exist.
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On March 21 2011 20:37 Severedevil wrote:Yes and no. You can choose builds that have no hard counter (such as ZcoreZ --> 2 gate goon robo --> reaver expand) but you risk falling behind against certain riskier builds (like 2-3 gate nexus). You can also hedge your bets by buying a forge, if there's a risk of dying to stealth or non-reaver aggression. Safe openings exist.
And die later if your opponent goes for a economic build. Build order counter exists.
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On March 21 2011 20:36 Djagulingu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 20:20 Severedevil wrote:On March 21 2011 20:17 Djagulingu wrote:On March 21 2011 20:11 structuralinertia wrote:On March 21 2011 20:10 Djagulingu wrote:
I don't understand.. What part of the last game was recommended? I guess Stork fanboyism rolls. i dunno man.... maybe the AWESOME build?? -_- I'm not surprised by seeing the team flag after reading this. Your standard 1 gate tech into 2 gate zealot sairs against someone who either couldn't see that with runby lings or couldn't react accordingly. You lose to any protoss player does that in iccup: Cheesy fag son of a beech. Any protoss does that in proleague: This was the worst game of today Stork does that: STORKUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU AUTO-RECOMMENDED. On March 21 2011 20:11 Musou wrote:On March 21 2011 20:10 Djagulingu wrote:
I don't understand.. What part of the last game was recommended? I guess Stork fanboyism rolls. People are probably just recommending it for a gate-first instead of forge-first PvZ. I think it's just for Stork. I mean, the execution was good but build itself or the inability to scout that with runby lings or reacting poorly should keep people away from recommending imo. One gate tech builds are almost NEVER seen in professional starcraft, and they're generally more exciting because of back-and-forth violence during the period when a forge FE would just be powering and teching. Incidentally, is 1 gate tech into 2 gate zealots w/2 corsairs really a standard build? I've never seen it before, ever, and my standard PvZ openings have always been one-base. The biggest reason why I'm saying that the game should not be recommended is that Hero was unable to see a stargate with runby lings or unable to react properly to what he saw. People can't see everything in every game and thus reactions won't be optimal in every single situation. That's why some games are recommended and some games are not. Anyway, Shuttle beat Stork with a gay build that requires 25 apm and significantly less iq and he's the worst player in the world and he doesn't deserve to be a progamer. + Show Spoiler +Sarcasm, for people that irony doesn't cut it.
No irony here just the lowest form of wit.
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On March 21 2011 20:36 Djagulingu wrote:The biggest reason why I'm saying that the game should not be recommended is that Hero was unable to see a stargate with runby lings or unable to react properly to what he saw. People can't see everything in every game and thus reactions won't be optimal in every single situation. That's why some games are recommended and some games are not.
What? A stargate is an assumed part of 1gate tech, and Hero had very early hydras for that very reason. What are you talking about?
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On March 21 2011 20:32 writer22816 wrote:Looks like PvP can be as much of a BO win as ZvZ
I happen to think it's even more a BO win situation than ZvZ, there are no auto-lose builds in ZvZ and a good player can overcome any BO loss with good micro and decision making, something that's much more difficult to accomplish in PvP, if not simply impossible.
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Aww man we are falling hard, a couple more losses and it's the bottom of the table... I lost hope in JangBad early this season but I was hoping TurN/Reality could take a couple games.
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I just popped by to say that Stork's build and execution of it against is awesome, I'd recommend it without hesitation. Very good strategy. Love how stork continues to innovate in PvZ, I really liked his drop builds too.
Spoilers for what happened in the game:
+ Show Spoiler +Stork opens 1 gate core -> stargate. Early sairs are very powerful, and the micro he had to pull off the harass with 2zeal 1goon is really good too. Hero fell really behind because he couldn't drone up & lost drones, lost too many overlords because he couldn't fend against the corsairs, and forced to put up early den but yet struggled to make enough hydras because of the great corsair harass that limited hydra production. The follow up was perfect; Hero had no choice but to mass hydras, stork cannons up with an expansion and goes templar tech and waits for the timing where both templar had enough energy to storm one each, as well as +1 speedlots. Speedlots and storm decimate hydras and forms an archon after both HT use up their storms. The Archon & +1 speedzeals finish it off, complete overkill. Very well thought out strategy IMO, really shows that 1base strategies can be viable as an alternative to forge FE play to throw zergs off once in a while
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What is going on with Khan lately?haven't they lost 3/4 times in a row now?:<
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On March 22 2011 00:44 SkelA wrote:KHAN
Don't be sad bro, Khan is just inconsistent because it's a young team. I've faith in that Turn/Reality/Grape/Brave will be a strong backbone for the future. Khan for proleague title 11/12?
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On March 21 2011 20:55 kuroshiroi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 20:32 writer22816 wrote:Looks like PvP can be as much of a BO win as ZvZ I happen to think it's even more a BO win situation than ZvZ, there are no auto-lose builds in ZvZ and a good player can overcome any BO loss with good micro and decision making, something that's much more difficult to accomplish in PvP, if not simply impossible.
Agreed. In ZvZ you can 12 pool every game with basically no risk whatsoever. It will put you behind a 12 hatch, but not by a large amount, and gas is usually more important. In ZvZ you can get full scouting all the way until you get mutalisks. ZvZ is intense, and sometimes you have to act in a split second on something the opponent does, but that's all part of the matchup. As Hydra said about the MSL final against Great. "I assumed that if we used mirror builds, I would win." If you play ZvZ with that mindset, you will beat any player that is worse than you. I actually think ZvZ is more fair than ZvT and ZvP. In those matchups one player can easily surprise the other with an unorthodox build or timing attack, while in ZvZ you can play completely safe and just mirror the lesser players build and win easily. The hardest part about ZvZ is that you can't slack off and lose concentration, but this is true for the other mirrors too, although the tide can change a lot faster in ZvZ.
In PvP, scouting is the main issue. You can only scout until the first dragoon gets out, and then you have to guess what he's doing. And we all know PvP is hard counter heaven.
Since I didn't want to duo race, I switched to Terran because of PvP randomness. I think PvP is the only matchup where you can't transition into mid/lategame completely safe. This used to be true for PvZ too, but then came Forge FE and the Bisu Build and changed everything.
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On March 21 2011 20:50 Turbovolver wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 20:36 Djagulingu wrote:The biggest reason why I'm saying that the game should not be recommended is that Hero was unable to see a stargate with runby lings or unable to react properly to what he saw. People can't see everything in every game and thus reactions won't be optimal in every single situation. That's why some games are recommended and some games are not. What? A stargate is an assumed part of 1gate tech, and Hero had very early hydras for that very reason. What are you talking about?
How is a stargate assumed? Shuttle vs S2 from the MST like 2 days ago shuttle went 3 gate goon/reaver. Considering shuttle and hero are on the same team, if shuttle practiced for mst with hero, hero could've easily got into the situation, seen 1 gate tech and assumed a robo play.
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This eliminates Khan from postseason right?
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Khan wouldn't have made it either way. :'(
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I must have missed out something. Top 3 finals?
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On March 22 2011 08:54 Seraphic wrote:
I must have missed out something. Top 3 finals?
Top four for WL playoff.
Khan could have made it if SKT lost against Oz.
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It was like 6 months ago I wrote in a livereport thread but I have been following Khan/Stork as always. So damn dissapointed they fucked the playoff spot once again -_-. Well better luck next time Samsung Khan, I will still cheer for u.
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they miss WL play-off not proleague... theres still 1 round to go
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Stork and his unorthodox 1 base Protoss plays lol. He seems to be the only Protoss succeeding in pulling off 1 base plays against Zergs in modern gameplay.
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On March 24 2011 03:09 smekz wrote:
they miss WL play-off not proleague... theres still 1 round to go
Two rounds.
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STX is gonna make it the PL playoffs. Kal will carry us home.
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On March 28 2011 23:49 TheShimmy wrote:
STX is gonna make it the PL playoffs. Kal will carry us home.
I don't think anyone's worried about making PL playoffs. I would like to see our guys kinda "peak" when the playoffs happen though, since last year they did so well all year long to get ranked 2 only to slump in R5 and get knocked out ezpz by SKT1.
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Congratulation Calm, you started to win against Terrans. Refreshing feeling i guess ^^
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On March 29 2011 00:12 ZeaL. wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 23:49 TheShimmy wrote:
STX is gonna make it the PL playoffs. Kal will carry us home. I don't think anyone's worried about making PL playoffs. I would like to see our guys kinda "peak" when the playoffs happen though, since last year they did so well all year long to get ranked 2 only to slump in R5 and get knocked out ezpz by SKT1.
Our boys will bring us home. Kal's really wanting to win a championship this year, individual or PL.
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Sorry for OT, but can someone tell me whats the name of the song after the Stork vs Hero match? That epic sounding, kinda of a "opera" piece with the guy with the deep voice singing? Kind of a mix between heavy metal and opera, with a "soviet" influence... :-/
Need to know!
eidt:
FOUND IT! YES!
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On April 05 2011 07:27 IVN wrote:
Sorry for OT, but can someone tell me whats the name of the song after the Stork vs Hero match? That epic sounding, kinda of a "opera" piece with the guy with the deep voice singing? Kind of a mix between heavy metal and opera, with a "soviet" influence... :-/
Need to know!
eidt:
FOUND IT! YES!
PM it please! I need to know too!
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Can you just post it in here? I want to know it too.
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