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Liquid`HayprO
Profile Joined March 2003
Iraq1230 Posts
November 13 2004 01:57 GMT
#121
i feel really sorry for jin ho right now and at the same time really angry at lim. but just as yellow stated it was his own fault relaying too much on luck.
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[BOyGiRl]ShaRp
Profile Joined July 2004
Korea (S)1912 Posts
November 13 2004 02:00 GMT
#122
I agree average TL net fan knows more than average Korean fan..but you must consider that of the non Boxer fans who criticize Boxer, there are much more people who know much more than average TL net fan..these people are people who memorize stats/rankings/games and stuff. So its wrong to say people who criticize Boxer fans are newbs..
Hexatron Bba!!
RP80
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden64 Posts
November 13 2004 02:05 GMT
#123
What I'm scared will happen is Starcraft loosing popularity because of this. How bad was this for the game?
[BOyGiRl]ShaRp
Profile Joined July 2004
Korea (S)1912 Posts
November 13 2004 02:07 GMT
#124
I doubt SC will loose fans because of this..but I'm sure Boxer will loose fans because of this
Hexatron Bba!!
raidern_br
Profile Joined November 2002
Brazil613 Posts
November 13 2004 02:10 GMT
#125
stop complaining about imbalance plz T_T
that thing is that boxer rushed and yellow was not prepared to hold a rush

it would be the same thing if a toss started with a gate/core without making zea, and then boxer arrived there with 6 scvs e 2 rines, he would kill lots of probes, maybe not win the game, but would hurt the toss so much that the game would be won

the imbalance is in the maps, not in the races
Gogogo
Geval
Profile Joined September 2004
788 Posts
November 13 2004 02:29 GMT
#126
I did not say all "people who criticize Boxer fans are newbs", but the majority IS. I wonder what is the progamers opinion on the issue.I doubt if there would even be 1:5 ppl who critisize boxer. And boxer loosing fans? Yeah probably but for how long? a week ,a month or to the next boxer big game (which might be in 2 weeks).
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ProudCappi
Profile Joined October 2004
United States366 Posts
November 13 2004 02:38 GMT
#127
As we speak, zergs are finding a perfect counter to this strat. People are just in shock that a very popular zerg build has just been nullified. How about building the hatch at your choke? How about 12 pooling? How about not doing the same thing a after it has just lost twice? Wah wah wah, terran finally has a respectable early rush. Before walling, terran was completely in the shits against toss, now zerg needs to find something similar.

Also, we seem to be forgetting that boxer always owns yellow. This might have had a factor in this game (by the way, boxer said in his practice rounds he told the zerg what strategy to use... so they weren't actually playing).
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Geval
Profile Joined September 2004
788 Posts
November 13 2004 02:47 GMT
#128
Ok let me make some comments about what yellow said after the gema. I lost some respect in my eyes (although, Im still consider him my 3rd favorite player ever). He had a chance to become the true hero for the starcraft community. I believe if instead of what he sais, he would just congrats boxer for a good game, great strategy, and looking foward for the next clash he would be in win/win situation. What he did was like what an "average" progamer would do, blame the game (a newb would blame the opponent), but I expected more from Yellow. He's one of the progamer heor for me not just a programer.
Now I rise a very controvertial issue hopping that at least some of you will understand mine point of view better.
Just as Yellow could emerge after this game as a "winner" in some aspect, there was a person who also could emerge as a winner on the Iraq war. Not Bush, not Saddam, but Pop.
I'm I crazy?
well, if pop would go to Iraq as a human shield, as some ppl recommended to him if his a true peacekeeper, He would be in win/win situation. If Bush would still attack and pop got killed, Pop would became a saint. Otherwise, he would win a nobel prise and save thousands of ppl.
So was he and Yellow a coward. No! I probably would not be strong enough do that either. They did a way better job than an average perso would do. Pop critisized the war and yellow did not blame boxer, but somehow I fell little disapointed since I expected more form both of them.
They are still great though, but they could have done bettter job.
I apology if I ofended anyone.
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Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4756 Posts
November 13 2004 03:32 GMT
#129
Frozen Arbiter i have not missed that part. But what it have to do with that? He said it is foult of the game, he hates himeslef for saying/thinking that? Then why he said that? Is he thinkg it is true or not? I would not like to geuss what somebody means by saying somethink when it isn't totaly clear.

Possible scenerio:
1)It is foult of the game
2)I hate myslef for what i just said.

What it is going to mean?
a)I dont realy mean that...
b)I mean that but i should not said that...
c)somethink elese

In case a) which propably u are saying is the propper understaing of what he said, why he bodder to say things he does not mean, why saying something you disaggree. Why saying somethink and in the next sentence disagree with it???

He is clealry blaming game and he is doing it for years, the fact that he knows it is wrong (another possible meaning) does not change anything. If he knows he is wrong he should not do that, if he is still doing thinks he knows are wrong that is a trully thing to be ashmed of.


In the end.
I thing the whole story is very sad, looking from yellows said, but i will say it again. IT IS NOT BILL ROPERS FOULT THAT YELLOW LOST 3-0.
Pathetic Greta hater.
RamenStyle
Profile Joined September 2004
United States1929 Posts
November 13 2004 03:38 GMT
#130
Even when i watched the vods i got a growing feeling of hate at boxer(he was never my fav pro anyways) i guess no one can really blame him since his only strat had nothing bad in it except for us poor guys watching the vods.
But i really feel sorry for yellow, and since he is proly the greatest zerg of all times he might have a hint on what he said about terrans. I really dont know and i guess few do that r at that level. BUt yes he is right about maps inbalance.
However, I really hope he comes out soon with a proper counter for this, and i wish him to rape the next ogn(beating boxer in the way), over my fav pro's. He really deserves it.
Tien
Profile Joined January 2003
Russian Federation4447 Posts
November 13 2004 03:40 GMT
#131
Silvanel STFU and get off Yellow's back about being unprofessional.

None of you know what it feels like to constantly lose for 4 years in a row. Since following starcraft, I have seen him lose 6 important series and they were all heart breakers. I can only imagine how much more heartbreaking it was for him. We all have our oppinions on whose fault it is for these garbage games, but dont start attacking the players for being unprofessional.

Until you constantly lose the most important games of your lives for 4 consistent years, then you can point out your oppinion about him being unprofessional or why he said this or that. Until then, STFU.

Understand that he is saying this out of frustration. He's been playing this game professionally more than most of you have been playing. If anyone deserves to bitch about imbalances, its the progamers.
We decide our own destiny
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17058 Posts
November 13 2004 03:40 GMT
#132
Don't worry Yellow, I still love you Maybe Zerg will find a new strategy to counter this? Like erm... 9 POOL? I don't know, just a thought =/
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Geval
Profile Joined September 2004
788 Posts
November 13 2004 03:48 GMT
#133
On November 13 2004 12:40 Tien wrote:
Silvanel STFU and get off Yellow's back about being unprofessional.

None of you know what it feels like to constantly lose for 4 years in a row. Since following starcraft, I have seen him lose 6 important series and they were all heart breakers. I can only imagine how much more heartbreaking it was for him. We all have our oppinions on whose fault it is for these garbage games, but dont start attacking the players for being unprofessional.

Until you constantly lose the most important games of your lives for 4 consistent years, then you can point out your oppinion about him being unprofessional or why he said this or that. Until then, STFU.

Understand that he is saying this out of frustration. He's been playing this game professionally more than most of you have been playing. If anyone deserves to bitch about imbalances, its the progamers.

Agreed with this post but didnt you say something about Boxer being unprofessional?
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Tien
Profile Joined January 2003
Russian Federation4447 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-11-13 03:53:12
November 13 2004 03:50 GMT
#134
nope, I do not criticize boxer for being unprofessional. He did what he did to win. Doesnt mean I have to enjoy the way he played the games.

EDIT: An example is that some business men are professional. They do what they have to do to make money. But I dont have to agree with how they are making money.
We decide our own destiny
OhThatDang
Profile Joined August 2004
United States4685 Posts
November 13 2004 04:11 GMT
#135
like george bush?
troi oi thang map nai!!!
FeelTheMoment
Profile Joined August 2004
89 Posts
November 13 2004 04:12 GMT
#136
It got to be map-dependent. Julyzerg won his OSL championship with pool first in most games, right?
Geval
Profile Joined September 2004
788 Posts
November 13 2004 04:17 GMT
#137
On November 13 2004 13:11 OhThatDang wrote:
like george bush?

hehe
I think he did a pretty good job winning the election with that kind of record. Or should I say Kerry suxed? ...analogy Yellow suxed in these serie.
WOW cant believe LT gave me BETA KEY thx thx thx thx thx
bio.dante
Profile Joined July 2004
Czech Republic290 Posts
November 13 2004 04:24 GMT
#138
About balance of races:
In my hubble opinion, I think that terrans are most difficult but if you can master your T-skills you are best player(u know because of difficult micro&macro managment; its not easy to lay mines,siege tanks and build some units in same time). But how many ppl on planet mastered in this T-skill?

Maybe there is boxer? But why he has problems with others? Why he don't win always => no one is master of t-skills so it is balanced !
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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-11-13 05:02:34
November 13 2004 04:51 GMT
#139
On November 13 2004 04:11 Silvanel wrote:
While it is certainly sad i dont see point in blaming anythink expect yellow himself for it. Common people were always saying that terran/protts/zerg is weakest race, it can't win on certian maps, or versus. I remember times when almost everyone were saying that protoss is too weak, and there when noone has expected that reach and ra poped out. The only thing that does not change is yellow complaing on the game itself and weekness of zerg. I remember him saying that in some talk with Bill Roper years ago. It his and only his foult, he is blaiming game itself for the fact he could not win, for the fact he was cheesed 3 times in row. If the terran is reaaly that powerfull, maybe he should switched to terr, and not stick to that "usless" zerg.

He should blame his attitude towards the game for his loses, if he really thinks that his chances are lower, and he cant win despite better perfomce becouse of the imbalance of game itself then u got an answer. He already lost mental aspect of the game.

I will put it in strong words maybe too strong but i belive this true.

Yellow has loser mentality and that is his problem, nothing more.


He didnt blame the game numb nuts. He said it himself he wasnt "Yellow" just an ordinary "zerg" that day.
Never Knows Best.
useLess
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4781 Posts
November 13 2004 05:08 GMT
#140
CRAAAAAAWLING IN MY SKIN/9.4
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