I will always hope that they left Afrotoss play, chances are like 0.00000001% but I can keep hoping. Also, its odd that it is at 12:00 rather then 13:00.
On February 26 2011 10:15 SkyLegenD wrote: Guys, rumor has it that Tossgirl will be sent out tonight. My Chinese is mediocre; can someone confirm from this link?
Hero opens with 3h before pool. Fantasy making a starport with no expansion in sight. First marine heading out with a scv for a bunker rush? Sunken completes in time to drive off the marine. Fantasy sends out a vulture and makes a 2nd port!
Hero walling off with a hydra den. First wraiths are out hunting overlords. Fantasy looking for openings to harass, sniping a few drones. Hydras chase the wraiths off, but they just go into the main and get more kills. Wraiths are chased off by a few hydras, but they just fly back and forth killing overlords and drones outside of hydra range.
Hydras lining the edges of Hero's base to deter any wraiths. Fantasy keeps trying to harass but can't find an opening. Hero moving out with a large amount of hydras and a couple overlords once speed completes. He tries to send out a drone for an expo, but the wraiths spot and snipe it. Hydras intercept some wraith reinforcements and kill them. Fantasy with 3 rax. Sends out a scout SCV but it dies to hydras. Wraiths are still harassing, getting some ov and drone kills.
Fantasy moving out with wraiths and a small force of m&m still on a single base and 3 rax. He still has no expansion. Looks like he is going to try to end it right here.
Edit: Nvm! He finally starts an expo cc inside his base. Fantasy decides to engage hero's hydras with his m&m and wraiths and gets completely wrecked.
Fantasy bunkering up at his nat with 2 siege tanks and a bunch of wraiths. Hero prepares to move in with lurker/hydra but gets pushed back by the tanks. Wraiths snipe the overlords heading over to provide detection.
Hero choosing to go for a doom drop! He doesn't get spotted by the wraiths which are busy hunting overlords at hero's base!
Doom drop dies to m&m and tanks waiting inside the base, but still kills a few units. Wraiths are now heading over to try to snipe the overlords but get caught by hydras!
Fantasy now heading out with m&m and tanks, runs into hero's army and pushes them back. A SV shows up for detection of lurkers. Hero sends his entire army down to protect his third at the 5. Fantasy is content to hold position and siege just outside range. Hero decides to move in with everything he has. Tanks in the back slaughter all the hydras! Lurkers are out of range to do anything.
Wraiths harass Hero's nat again while Hero is out of position, getting many drone kills, but hydras show up to kill the wraiths. Fantasy ignores them and lets a few die, but has enough to kill off the hydras for now. Fantasy attempting to expand to the 9, but his SCV dies to a few lings. He pulls his army back to deal with Hero's harass while tanks siege up Hero's 3rd.
Defilers are out just in time to save the third, but he doesn't have consume yet and can only swarm where his lurkers are. He's not able to move his lurkers forward! Tanks are firing at the lurkers. Hero cleans up the tanks with a pincer attack! Only a few marines left now, but he's lost all his drones at the third. 2 marines and 1 medic survive, trying to kill off whatever they can, but get cleaned up.
Sunkens down at the third. Ahh, Dark Swarm comes out! Sadly, there's a huge ball of tanks camped on the ramp. A few lings sneak behind and take out a tank or two but it doesn't change the fact the third is going down.
Oh, hydras from the back! They take out the tanks!
Fantasy takes his third at the 9 finally, with tons of vessels flying around irradiating everything. Hero still has no spire! How will he kill vessels?
Poor control with the bio means Hero saves his third. Fantasy has now set up expo at 9, maynarding SCVs. He has 5 vessels out, irradiating targets of opportunity.
A few lings show up at Fantasy's 3rd and kill an SCV but die to marines standing nearby. Fantasy shows us his amazing bio control once again, walking armies of m&m right into swarmed lurkers and losing all of them.
Fantasy erasers some drones with his SVs, but gets chased off by hydras.
Irradiate kills the lukers at the third. Fantasy starting to mix in firebats into his bio. Hero drops some drones at his third with overlords to replenish his econ. It seems like he's starting to risk mining out?
Fantasy irradiates more defilers and overlords. Where are the scourge?
Huge plague on the bio force pushing the third and lurkers under dark swarm force them north. Still a huge vessel cloud for Fantasy. Why does Hero not have a spire?
Fantasy attacks the third again with an army of m&m&f but Hero lands plague on everything and wipes it out. Fantasy continues to irradiate everything. He lands a huge plague on all of Fantasy's nearby vessels! Fantasy floats his main CC up toward his 4th at the 10.5, but a pretty big army is waiting for him. He loses a ton of 1hp vessels to hydras, and Hero attacks the 9 at the same time with lings, wiping out the scvs. Fantasy finally kills the 5' base with a large force of mmf after everything is cleaned up. Hero is running out of money at this point, as he hasn't taken an expo. Fantasy moves out with dropships, but gets caught by hydras and loses one; the other is nearly dead.
On February 26 2011 12:31 NicksonReyes wrote: or build a spire . Modesty next? I hope so.
It seems to me that Hero was kinda gas constrained from trying to tech to defilers and maintain hydra/lurker production so a spire would have been costly to get. But at the same time, he really needed to do something about that vessel ball that kept whittling down overlords and defilers.
Plague and hydras did a pretty decent job of cleaning up some vessels, but I feel like he could have expanded a bit more, since Fantasy kept throwing armies away at the 5'. Maybe take the 12 or something. Fantasy took a 4th by the end (using his main CC after it was mined out) while Hero was stuck on 2-3 bases for pretty much the entire game.
man hero totally had that until he dropped on top of stimmed marines :\. not to mention that he only dropped like 2/3 of his hydra army. had he had those extra hydras, the drop might of still worked (even though he lost a bunch of overlords before they dropped their load).
I don't get why he didnt just try to contain and take out the power generators at the back of the nat with his lurkers. he was so far ahead until he blew that drop :\
edit- oh yea i know he didnt do that. HES HERO. ALWAYS GO BALLS OUT AGGRESSION FOR NO REASON
On February 26 2011 12:31 NicksonReyes wrote: or build a spire . Modesty next? I hope so.
It seems to me that Hero was kinda gas constrained from trying to tech to defilers and maintain hydra/lurker production so a spire would have been costly to get. But at the same time, he really needed to do something about that vessel ball that kept whittling down overlords and defilers.
He was also mining with less than 3 drones at his natural for most of the game.
On February 26 2011 12:33 mustaju wrote: I think you guys are doing hero injustice today. He looked very competent, and the only really bad thing we saw from him was the failed doom-drop.
On February 26 2011 12:33 mustaju wrote: I think you guys are doing hero injustice today. He looked very competent, and the only really bad thing we saw from him was the failed doom-drop.
At least I won't have to starve today.
But please, please win STX.
And, you know, no spire
He couldn't really afford one. And he got plenty vessels with hydra/plague.
Please don't make my week worse, whoever plays for STX next.
On February 26 2011 12:34 Musou wrote: Plague and hydras did a pretty decent job of cleaning up some vessels, but I feel like he could have expanded a bit more, since Fantasy kept throwing armies away at the 5'. Maybe take the 12 or something. Fantasy took a 4th by the end (using his main CC after it was mined out) while Hero was stuck on 2-3 bases for pretty much the entire game.
at that point it was over. fantasy was mining like 5x more. hero lost way too many drones that game to keep up with 3base terran. he didnt lose that many drones to the initial harassment (especially for a 3hating zerg) but then he lost a ton to wraiths in his nat after fantasy pushed out with tanks, and then he lost EVERY DRONE (i think he lost more to consume than from fantasy lol) at his 3rd when he barely held it.
On February 26 2011 12:33 mustaju wrote: I think you guys are doing hero injustice today. He looked very competent, and the only really bad thing we saw from him was the failed doom-drop.
At least I won't have to starve today.
But please, please win STX.
And, you know, no spire
He couldn't really afford one. And he got plenty vessels with hydra/plague.
Please don't make my week worse, whoever plays for STX next.
I feel like he probably would've lost less resources if he had spire + scourge instead of repeatedly having his mineral lines erasered.
On February 26 2011 12:33 mustaju wrote: I think you guys are doing hero injustice today. He looked very competent, and the only really bad thing we saw from him was the failed doom-drop.
At least I won't have to starve today.
But please, please win STX.
And, you know, no spire
He couldn't really afford one. And he got plenty vessels with hydra/plague.
Please don't make my week worse, whoever plays for STX next.
I feel like he probably would've lost less resources if he had spire + scourge instead of repeatedly having his mineral lines erasered.
Watching the replay shows that Hero lost nearly his entire army in the failed doom drop for practically no gain. He probably could have also taken another hidden expansion somewhere, like 11 or 12. If Fantasy moved out to hit that, then he'd have his nat and main open.
Oh well. I'm happy. ^^
Fantasy against Calm! What did I say about STX and zergs?
On February 26 2011 12:33 mustaju wrote: I think you guys are doing hero injustice today. He looked very competent, and the only really bad thing we saw from him was the failed doom-drop.
At least I won't have to starve today.
But please, please win STX.
And, you know, no spire
He couldn't really afford one. And he got plenty vessels with hydra/plague.
Please don't make my week worse, whoever plays for STX next.
I feel like he probably would've lost less resources if he had spire + scourge instead of repeatedly having his mineral lines erasered.
and he could even snipe the wraiths with scourge before they can kill those ovies.
On February 26 2011 12:43 Hinanawi wrote: Fantasy vs Calm...these guys both suddenly lose like half their skill when they play eachother, makes for amazingly funny matches.
it's cuz the mindgames are so strong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!@@@!
Nothing special from both players so fat. Calm with 12 hat and Fantasy going for a 1 rax expand with his funky early gas I think? Nope, he goes for the factory. Vulture schenanigans incoming!
Calm scouts in the correct direction, Fantasy scouting wrong.
Fantasy heading out with 3 marines to harass, but turns around as he spots a morphing sunken. He's going for 2 port off 1 base again. Calm's lings move out as Fantasy attempts to get an overlord kill, but Calm has it perfectly positioned. SCV guarding the ramp with 3 marines heads out and gets chased by a ling. Hydras pops just in time to save the first drone from dying to wraith harass,
Fantasy backs off from drone harassing and goes for a lone overlord. He tries to harass a bit, but hydras are everywhere and he doesn't get any kills before heading back home.
Control Tower down for Fantasy. Looks like he's going to commit to this two port by getting cloak. Calm sets up a hidden expo at 5.5 looking at the minimap(?)
Fantasy heads up into the main with his wraith fleet and finally gets 1 wraith kill, but hydras are positioned everywhere to deter wraiths from getting in.
Fantasy checking the 1 for signs of an expo, but spots nothing. Calm sacrifices a speed ov to see what's going on in Fantasy's base and it dies to wraiths.
Academy out for Fantasy. Looks like he's going for one-base play. Fantasy almost has enough wraiths to one-shot overlords. Gets one hovering over hydras to 5hp without taking hits.
Fantasy charges into the main and nat and gets a few drones and OLs. Calm hovers around Fantasy's nat's entrance with some hyrdas and OLs but moves back.
Fantasy's critical mass of Wraiths just snipe OLs left and right. He tries to move out with bio but Calm has two Lurkers to stop this push!
Calm makes it into Fantasy's main! The wraiths are the only thing keeping him alive at this point! Fantasy desperately micros everything, but he's lost everything to lurkers! All his scvs are dead! It's gg!
On February 26 2011 12:58 alypse wrote: Excellent counter play to fanta's 2port by Calm.
it's kinda funny how something as small as the 3rd hatch placement helped so much with defending drones.
hero placed it really far away from nat -> a lot of drones sniped on their way to nat from 3rd hat. calm placed it right next to the ramp -> only lost like 2 drones until the end when he was countering anyway.
of course, calm had much better hydra micro/placement vs wraiths also.
Calm and Hyuk both starting Lairs at about the same time. Clam has his nat hat up and puts down a creep colony. Hyuk doesn't seem to want to expand. What was the in-base hat for then I wonder?
Hyuk with a huge mass of lings, but Calm has a sunken down and lings blocking off the ramp up to his main. Hyuk still producing lings despite seeing this with his OL. He moves out with his lings!
Hyuk moving out with a lot of speedlings, but Calm has a ton of lings and a Sunken at his nat. Hyuk's all-in gets cleaned up and the sunken barely survives! Calm up to muta now and chasing down Hyuk's final lings.
Mass-ling battle at Calm's nat! Calm barely holds with his Sunken in the deep red and only 3 lings! Mutas out for Calm now who start wailing on Hyuk's OLs. A few scourge out for Hyuk but he's behind in both econ and muta count.
That just made me sad. Hyuk had terrible decision making in my opinion. He puts his second hat at his main instead of his nat when I think expanding to the nat would have given the same result. He engaged with a mass of lings into an unfavourable concave of lings with sunken support. Behind econ-wise, he engages with his mutas into a larger force of mutas and scourge.
This doesn't seem smart. If Sun loses then Bisu has his back against the wall, which he's normally not that great with. Although he will probably beat Calm. However Modesty might have a prepared build and then there's still Kal who I'd give somewhere around 50% to beat Bisu. All in all, unfavourable for SK. Meh.
Do STX have any good terrans?
Edit: Ouch, STX has Bogus as well, who has been on a good TvP run lately.
On February 26 2011 13:35 Simplistik wrote: This doesn't seem smart. If Sun loses then Bisu has his back against the wall, which he's normally not that great with. Although he will probably beat Calm. However Modesty might have a prepared build and then there's still Kal who I'd give somewhere around 50% to beat Bisu. All in all, unfavourable for SK. Meh.
On February 26 2011 13:35 Simplistik wrote: This doesn't seem smart. If Sun loses then Bisu has his back against the wall, which he's normally not that great with. Although he will probably beat Calm. However Modesty might have a prepared build and then there's still Kal who I'd give somewhere around 50% to beat Bisu. All in all, unfavourable for SK. Meh.
Calm takes his 4th at the 6 while lings chase down a drone in his nat. He moves out with hydraling toward Sun's cannoned up nat and begins harassing it. A corsair tries to kill the overlord, but is chased off by hydras.
On February 26 2011 13:35 Simplistik wrote: This doesn't seem smart. If Sun loses then Bisu has his back against the wall, which he's normally not that great with. Although he will probably beat Calm. However Modesty might have a prepared build and then there's still Kal who I'd give somewhere around 50% to beat Bisu. All in all, unfavourable for SK. Meh.
Do STX have any good terrans?
bogus bisu's worst nightmare
The last 2 games might be with Kal and Bogus 'cause modesty is not playing that much these past weeks, unless, he prepared an anti-bisu build like what you said.
Calm waiting patiently outside Sun's nat as his overlord scouts Sun's main and then dies to a corsair. Sun with many zealots and cannons waiting inside his base and a templar archives building.
Hydra goes for the bust! He kills a few zealots, but loses a lot of hydra in return. He's now pumping lings to supplement his hydra as Sun gets a couple HT and spams more cannons. Sun pulls his probes to deal with the Hydra, but storm isn't ready yet! Sun loses his HT and the 2 freshly constructed cannons! He ggs as hydras run over his nat!
On February 26 2011 13:35 Simplistik wrote: This doesn't seem smart. If Sun loses then Bisu has his back against the wall, which he's normally not that great with. Although he will probably beat Calm. However Modesty might have a prepared build and then there's still Kal who I'd give somewhere around 50% to beat Bisu. All in all, unfavourable for SK. Meh.
Do STX have any good terrans?
bogus bisu's worst nightmare
The last 2 games might be with Kal and Bogus 'cause modesty is not playing that much these past weeks, unless, he prepared an anti-bisu build like what you said.
Calm, Kal and Bogus are STX's best chances at beating Bisu anyhow. This situation looks great for STX if calm wins.
The hydras move in to engage! Sun seems to have lost quite a few zealots and a two canons for not many hydras. He has a templar out! Calm pushes back in and kills everything! Probes pulled off the line but they all die.
Even if Sun held that off, could he have done much? I know Calm doesn't have a lot of drones, but his 5th hatch was going up. With that many expos, it shouldn't be too hard to produce a round of drones and then go back to making mroe hydras, is it?
On February 26 2011 13:45 Spica wrote: Like I said, Coach Park... Should've brought Kwanro with you today, should've brought Kwanro. :/
Kwanro's 9-pool all-ins are great to watch. His execution is much better than Hyuk's. Also, even though people know it's coming they still try and skimp on the defense.
On February 26 2011 13:44 Ecrilon wrote: Sun was promising, but really he is just bad at Starcraft. He does things that are approximately right for things that his opponent is not doing.
Sun was relying on Calm to just mass drone after building those couple initial hydra, so that his 3 gates-worth of Zealots would run over Calm if he was being greedy. Unfortunately, Calm saw that late Templar Archives and reacted correctly. Good idea by Sun, but Calm just didn't play the way he expected
On February 26 2011 13:44 Ecrilon wrote: Sun was promising, but really he is just bad at Starcraft. He does things that are approximately right for things that his opponent is not doing.
Sun was relying on Calm to just mass drone after building those couple initial hydra, so that his 3 gates-worth of Zealots would run over Calm if he was being greedy. Unfortunately, Calm saw that late Templar Archives and reacted correctly. Good idea by Sun, but Calm just didn't play the way he expected
So he did something approximately correct for something his opponent was not doing. I mean, it just sounds so much more interesting when you put it this way. Less informative? Maybe? But definitely more interesting.
On February 26 2011 13:45 Spica wrote: Like I said, Coach Park... Should've brought Kwanro with you today, should've brought Kwanro. :/
SKT and Zerg don't mesh together. You should know that by now.
I actually find it really ironic that SKT bought Kwanro, of all Zerg players out there though. The Korean netizens have been making up all sorts of ridiculous reasons why Kwanro hasn't been sent out recently, and one person made a joke that they weren't sending him out because of unforgotten grudges of Kwanro beating SKT members before he joined their team.
Chart here; it shows the number of times he's beaten SKT players before. It's quite hilarious, actually. One netizen wrote, "SKT Killer Kwanro", hahah.
On February 26 2011 13:56 Spica wrote: I actually find it really ironic that SKT bought Kwanro, of all Zerg players out there though. The Korean netizens have been making up all sorts of ridiculous reasons why Kwanro hasn't been sent out recently, and one person made a joke that they weren't sending him out because of unforgotten grudges of Kwanro beating SKT members before he joined their team.
Chart here; it shows the number of times he's beaten SKT players before. It's quite hilarious, actually. One netizen wrote, "SKT Killer Kwanro", hahah.
I'm really sad pikachu zerg hasn't had much play time. Hopefully when he does come out he can be a consistent steam-roller for SKT1.
Calm taking his third at the bottom left nat (6.5?). Probe manages to scout it and get away despite being chased by many lings. Bisu walling with 3 zealots and a few probes. Calm decides to attack into it with a decent number of lings, but gets repelled.
On February 26 2011 13:45 Spica wrote: Like I said, Coach Park... Should've brought Kwanro with you today, should've brought Kwanro. :/
SKT and Zerg don't mesh together. You should know that by now.
I actually find it really ironic that SKT bought Kwanro, of all Zerg players out there though. The Korean netizens have been making up all sorts of ridiculous reasons why Kwanro hasn't been sent out recently, and one person made a joke that they weren't sending him out because of unforgotten grudges of Kwanro beating SKT members before he joined their team.
Chart here; it shows the number of times he's beaten SKT players before. It's quite hilarious, actually. One netizen wrote, "SKT Killer Kwanro", hahah.
they bought kwanro to that they wont have to problem about him killing their team
A huge amount of lings run right past once Bisu pulls back the probes that were finishing the wall-in and make it into the main! 2 zealots chase them down before they can do much damage. First corsair is out and a cannon is building in Bisu's main.
Calm spots Bisu's zealots moving out to harass with his lings and immediately starts a simcity, with scourge waiting just outside Bisu's nat to prevent any corsair harass.
I hope so too, MoonBear! I simply love his lulzy little all-ins. It's good to see a player stick to his play style, even if it's all the fucking time, hahaha. ;D
On February 26 2011 13:45 Spica wrote: Like I said, Coach Park... Should've brought Kwanro with you today, should've brought Kwanro. :/
SKT and Zerg don't mesh together. You should know that by now.
I actually find it really ironic that SKT bought Kwanro, of all Zerg players out there though. The Korean netizens have been making up all sorts of ridiculous reasons why Kwanro hasn't been sent out recently, and one person made a joke that they weren't sending him out because of unforgotten grudges of Kwanro beating SKT members before he joined their team.
Chart here; it shows the number of times he's beaten SKT players before. It's quite hilarious, actually. One netizen wrote, "SKT Killer Kwanro", hahah.
they bought kwanro to that they wont have to problem about him killing their team
Coach Park is determined to give non-FBB players game time. After sending out Fantasy and then faced with Calm, I get the ZvZ. But why not then send Bisu instead of Sun, and then you always have an improving BeSt up your sleeve for Bogus/Kal?
Anyway, Calm has a habit of pushing Bisu. Should be a great game.
Bisu gets pushed away from harassing Calm's third by a good simcity, sunken, and lings, losing 3 of his 4 speedlots and dealing no damage at all. One zealot makes it into Calm's main and snipes 2 drones, but gets killed by lings!
Calm tries to kill some corsairs with his scourge, but only manages to kill one before the corsairs kill the others! Corsairs attack some overlords, and are distracted and Calm's second wave of scourge kills another 2 and damages 1 more!
Bisu sends out speedlots to try harassing Calm's third once again, but gets repelled by 3 sunkens and lings. He sends down a DT with his corsairs clearing out the overlords, but Calm has a huge fleet of scourge heading down to kill the corsairs! The DTS are doing massive damage to the sunken, but Bisu loses every single corsair to the scourge! A new overlord pops and lings just in time to kill the DTs.
On February 26 2011 14:02 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: Coach Park is determined to give non-FBB players game time. After sending out Fantasy and then faced with Calm, I get the ZvZ. But why not then send Bisu instead of Sun, and then you always have an improving BeSt up your sleeve for Bogus/Kal?
Anyway, Calm has a habit of pushing Bisu. Should be a great game.
I have a feeling that Coach Park was making a sorrrt of safe gamble; if Sun won, then he could have continued on in Protoss favored maps in the next sets, but if he lost, Coach Park was counting on those maps to serve Bisu and give him a boost in his BvZ. Orrrrr he was just trolling us, haha, but who knows.
Corsairs raid the OLs at 5 uncontested, but then 20 scourge come in and kill them all.
Some zealots and a DTs raid 5 at the same time. But Calm has a muta cloud which go to Bisu's main and start killing everything now the corsairs are dead.
Bisu's zealots focus down the hats at Calm's main!
A few more zealots and a single corsair attack Calm's third, but Bisu is losing tons of probes to muta in his main! Calm's third goes down! Mass muta are killing everything in Bisu's base!
Bisu going for Calm's main now with speedlots, running right past the simcity and going straight for the spire as Calm rushes his main! The spire goes down! Calm pulls all his drones to the nat!
1) Diagnose the zergling all-in, defend it. 2) Overcome all his corsairs getting killed. 3) Regain control of his main with a flock of mutas and no anti-air.
On February 26 2011 14:10 WeRRa wrote: wow pretty though game i really thought bisu would lose
What? When was Bisu in a position to lose? After holding off that ling bust, it was his game to lose. The scariest part was letting calm come back by losing his sairs.
On February 26 2011 14:09 ghrur wrote: That sair control by Bisu was atrocious. >_< Decision making though, was great.
The sairs were at the bottom of the map and didn't have much room to run. It was also a LOT of scourge. Thinking about it, the gas trade might have actually been pretty even. I think Calm then over-committed to mutas and then allowed the speedlots to just run rampant in his base. Bisu was able to prevent the mutas from just rolling him with good micro and clawed his way back into the game. The spire snipe from Bisu definitely helped.
So many close moments when I thought Bisu would lose though; it's the closest I've seen him mortal in BvZ. How does he do it?
I love how the commentators were so surprised at the attempted ling bust but Bisu was like. psh. saw that coming and had probes blocking the entrance. Taek-shin!
On February 26 2011 14:10 ArvickHero wrote: Bisu's PvZ 69.7% now! Almost 70% :o
He should pass 2300 vZ ELO as well.
I've been paying particular attention to the all-time vZ records. Bisu's been picking off the Terrans slowly but surely. SKT's Terran coach is next....
On February 26 2011 14:09 ghrur wrote: That sair control by Bisu was atrocious. >_< Decision making though, was great.
The sairs were at the bottom of the map and didn't have much room to run. It was also a LOT of scourge. Thinking about it, the gas trade might have actually been pretty even. I think Calm then over-committed to mutas and then allowed the speedlots to just run rampant in his base. Bisu was able to prevent the mutas from just rolling him with good micro and clawed his way back into the game. The spire snipe from Bisu definitely helped.
So many close moments when I thought Bisu would lose though; it's the closest I've seen him mortal in BvZ. How does he do it?
He lost 2 sairs originally when just moving out after his first initial sair. And he still HAD room to run, he wasn't cornered. He just chose not to move them. And losing every single sair was not a good idea. The reason it was even close was because he lost all his sairs. The decision making though, was perfect. Attacking the bottom with DTs/Zealots, running by with zealots, then killing the spire. Good game, but not as great as everyone says.
On February 26 2011 14:09 ghrur wrote: That sair control by Bisu was atrocious. >_< Decision making though, was great.
The sairs were at the bottom of the map and didn't have much room to run. It was also a LOT of scourge. Thinking about it, the gas trade might have actually been pretty even. I think Calm then over-committed to mutas and then allowed the speedlots to just run rampant in his base. Bisu was able to prevent the mutas from just rolling him with good micro and clawed his way back into the game. The spire snipe from Bisu definitely helped.
So many close moments when I thought Bisu would lose though; it's the closest I've seen him mortal in BvZ. How does he do it?
they're gonna disqualify him from all KesPA sanctioned tournaments if he kept zealot pushing zergs to dead
At least he did his job - saving SKT from a pretty disgraceful AK. I imagine STX has some sort of sniper prepared though so he'll probably have a hard time getting SKT the win
It seemed that Bisu had no signs of fear in his eyes, he kept his cool and kept on playing as if losing all his Corsairs was nothing at all to him. Didn't even flinch, damn!
On February 26 2011 14:15 ghrur wrote: He lost 2 sairs originally when just moving out after his first initial sair. And he still HAD room to run, he wasn't cornered. He just chose not to move them. And losing every single sair was not a good idea. The reason it was even close was because he lost all his sairs. The decision making though, was perfect. Attacking the bottom with DTs/Zealots, running by with zealots, then killing the spire. Good game, but not as great as everyone says.
Hm. Perhaps he froze when he saw the huge scourge cloud then. I know I was shocked seeing them incoming, haha.
You can't deny that the game was dramatic, especially in the context of Bisu calling out all Zergs in his last interview to try and find a way to take him down!
On February 26 2011 14:16 Spica wrote: It seemed that Bisu had no signs of fear in his eyes, he kept his cool and kept on playing as if losing all his Corsairs was nothing at all to him. Didn't even flinch, damn!
yeah, i really liked how he was calm enough to take his third while mutas were still flying around in his main
On February 26 2011 14:17 mustaju wrote: Seeing my favorite player and my favorite team lose time and again to my least favorite player really makes me wish I quit watching prostarcraft.
Now you know how Bisu fans feel when they keep on seeing him being denied from the individual leagues.
Even though I'm not an SKT/Bisu fan, I really, really enjoy watching Bisu play PvZ. It's, IMO, the hardest matchup in the game, and so it's really nice to see one player able to turn the tables when all other Protoss seem to melt against Zerg.
On February 26 2011 14:17 mustaju wrote: Seeing my favorite player and my favorite team lose time and again to my least favorite player really makes me wish I quit watching prostarcraft.
Now you know how Bisu fans feel when they keep on seeing him being denied from the individual leagues.
On February 26 2011 14:17 mustaju wrote: Seeing my favorite player and my favorite team lose time and again to my least favorite player really makes me wish I quit watching prostarcraft.
Now you know how Bisu fans feel when they keep on seeing him being denied from the individual leagues.
On February 26 2011 14:17 mustaju wrote: Seeing my favorite player and my favorite team lose time and again to my least favorite player really makes me wish I quit watching prostarcraft.
On February 26 2011 14:17 mustaju wrote: Seeing my favorite player and my favorite team lose time and again to my least favorite player really makes me wish I quit watching prostarcraft.
so what does your hate list look like?
1/ Bisu 2/ Bisu 3/ Bisu 4/ Fantasy 5/ SKT
?
Hogil is somewhere up there, but you pretty much nailed it!
Bisu moving out with a few units, while CA flanks them with a few vultures to lay mines around the map. Bisu's third completes while CA adds on more facs.
Bisu adds on a lot of gates as his first arbiter pops out. CA flanks Bisu's goons and drops mines everywhere, losing only a few vultures in return for a control group of goons. His tanks siege up, but have to pull back due to zealots.
Frozen has always had Bisu's number in a weird way. Remember that gigantic upset on Outsider back in the day? Seems like he always plays really well against Bisu.
CA lining his base with mines and turrets as he goes for a vulture/tank drop on Bisu's 4th. Bisu pulls his full army to deal with it, but his goons get blocked by the pylons. Luckily he still has enough zealots to chase it off.
CA moves his drop over to Bisu's third for a bit of small harass, gets chased off by zealots once again, and heads back up toward Bisu's 4th for some more harass. Bisu lands a huge stasis on the front group of vultures and back group of tanks, managing to push into CA's base trading armies with CA!
CA expands to 3. He has a lot of vultures from those now 12 factories but only 1 seems to have a machine shop. Bisu macros out another army and moves to the centre.
Bisu attacks CuteAngel's main force, added by 3 stasises. Bisu breaks most of the force, still can't take out CuteAngel's 3rd since his own force is just too small. CuteAngel's reinforcements arrive, take out most of Bisu's army.
Bisu takes a hidden expo at the 5.5 while CA pushes out with his army, but gets caught in front with a stasis. Vultures show up to take out the zealots as the tanks in the back take out Bisu's goons. Bisu trades yet another army with CA!
Bisu attacks into CA's army outside the 3, losing a few goons and an arbiter. CA tries to drop and harass Bisu's 7th base at the 4, but gets chased off by arbiters.
This game has now definitively swun in favor of Bisu. 7 total base, dry and running for Bisu, still 4 for CuteAngel. Now a recall at CuteAngel's 4th, cleaned up in short order.
Bisu expands to base outside his main at 9. Still keeping up the massive econ advantage. CA drops the expo at 4 with vults and kill some probes, but the dropship is killed over water with an arbiter.
This is starting to turn into a TvT of sorts as the players just trade armies again and again. Cost-advantage goes to CA, but Bisu just has so much econ.
On February 26 2011 14:49 scrubtastic wrote: Frozen needs to 200/200 max terran army imba his way out of this one, or wait for bisu to make a billion mistakes
he's already making so much in my opinion. failed attack after failed attack on the expo.
CA has 3-2 upgrades. Only has 3 tanks left it seems? Bisu just mercilessly keeps throwing units at CA and eventually drowns him in zealots and arbiters.
Sheesh. How do I describe that game... It wasn't exactly action packed but it was still great and fun to watch... It was...just a really TENSE match. gg
What was up with the token HT? Was it just me, or did Bisu only use the 1?
Bisu's aggressive base expoing in the middle of that game was ultimately the key to his victory for me. He certainly prefers that style in his PvT, though sometimes he gets a little too carried away and forgets to keep a sizeable army.
Oh man, that was a bit of a tense game, I almost thought Bisu lost it at several points. Aside from that, I felt that Bisu's attacks were kinda sloppy (there were several points when his zealots got caught behind a line of goons, and couldn't move to the tanks until too many goons were lost).
That looked awfully like a lot of TvP I've seen recently. T allows P to take a gazillion bases, then after holding off P's attacks, decides to push out (when it's already too late) and dies to infinite units.
and what's with the guys saying that there were points in the game where Bisu could lose? He basically got it in the bag the moment he took the whole map when Frozen decided to stick his head inside his shell. Frozen never even managed to destroy a nexus in that game.
On February 26 2011 14:54 cascades wrote: Bisu didn't mix in enough templars. Even carriers harassing 4th would be great. But well, Bisu and Carriers lol.
Bisu would find a way to get 10 carriers and lose them all. He's just kind of bad with them inexplicably
On February 26 2011 14:53 mOojc wrote: Bisu's PvT is soooo messy. Even with such a massive lead, he was making enough mistakes that he could have potentially lost that.
Well, it was 6 mining bases Protoss to 2 mining bases terran. Bisu could just starve CA to death. If CA moved out to claim another base, Bisu to take advantage of the poorer positioning and drown CA's army under a tide of units. If CA didn't move, eventually he'd starve out.
Carriers would've been boring to watch, but slowly building up a fleet would have given Bisu so much edge on those tanks. Or if Bisu learned to use storm in PvT, he'd be 10x better than the sloppy play he showed today. Bisu looks so mortal in PvT, it's like he rolls over CPU-style with his 1a2a3a in comparison to his PvZ mastery.
On February 26 2011 14:55 mnesthes wrote: That looked awfully like a lot of TvP I've seen recently. T allows P to take a gazillion bases, then after holding off P's attacks, decides to push out (when it's already too late) and dies to infinite units.
Which is why Flash is so awesome at pushing at the correct timing RIGHT when P starts massing up bases, he knows that if he don't push now, it will be too late.
On February 26 2011 14:55 POWEROUTAGE wrote: watching bisu's pvt is like watching someone open a door by smashing his head against said door repeatedly instead of turning the damn knob
That's the manliest way to open a door, it may not be pretty.... or effective, but damn you gotta give style points :D
On February 26 2011 14:53 mOojc wrote: Bisu's PvT is soooo messy. Even with such a massive lead, he was making enough mistakes that he could have potentially lost that.
Well, it was 6 mining bases Protoss to 2 mining bases terran. Bisu could just starve CA to death. If CA moved out to claim another base, Bisu to take advantage of the poorer positioning and drown CA's army under a tide of units. If CA didn't move, eventually he'd starve out.
Agreed. Bisu just needed to sit on his ass, take every base on the map, fill out his tech/upgrades, and build 20 gates and 4 stargates and flood with infinite units.
Instead he suicided his army 8 times but won anyway since CA != a good terran
Well, to be fair, his game vs mind in Korean Air S2 was a time he won with carriers. Though he ended up playing his carriers like zealots and losing them anyways lol
On February 26 2011 14:57 Taekwon wrote: Well, to be fair, his game vs mind in Korean Air S2 was a time he won with carriers. Though he ended up playing his carriers like zealots and losing them anyways lol
So he didn't win with carriers, he won in spite of carriers.
On February 26 2011 14:57 Taekwon wrote: Well, to be fair, his game vs mind in Korean Air S2 was a time he won with carriers. Though he ended up playing his carriers like zealots and losing them anyways lol
It was the game with the ridiculous Reaver micro with even more ridiculous scarab AI.
Bisu gained a pretty massive lead and his carrier usage wasn't very inspiring in that game.
On February 26 2011 14:53 mOojc wrote: Bisu's PvT is soooo messy. Even with such a massive lead, he was making enough mistakes that he could have potentially lost that.
Well, it was 6 mining bases Protoss to 2 mining bases terran. Bisu could just starve CA to death. If CA moved out to claim another base, Bisu to take advantage of the poorer positioning and drown CA's army under a tide of units. If CA didn't move, eventually he'd starve out.
thats NOT the point. the point is that Bisu PvT would have never worked against Flash. I bet even the SKT couch would never let him face Flash if he could.
On February 26 2011 14:53 mOojc wrote: Bisu's PvT is soooo messy. Even with such a massive lead, he was making enough mistakes that he could have potentially lost that.
Ineed. As much as I love Bisu, I'm kind of disappointed he won this one since it'll likely give him a false impression on his PvT play style (which is awful for a player of his caliber). It's fascinating how he continuously skimps on HTs and storm AND still manages to pull off a win. He can't expect to beat a terran like Flash playing like this. =/
On February 26 2011 14:57 Taekwon wrote: Well, to be fair, his game vs mind in Korean Air S2 was a time he won with carriers. Though he ended up playing his carriers like zealots and losing them anyways lol
So he didn't win with carriers, he won in spite of carriers.
Somewhat. The carriers were critical in preventing mind effectively getting his third. By the time he had gols out, Bisu had 3 carriers and a goon army. TBH, I think the psychological battle was won because of carriers so Mind had to tap out.
But I'm prolly over analyzing. I definitely concede that Bisu+Carriers needs practice.
On February 26 2011 15:01 mnesthes wrote: At this rate we'll lose mustaju even before game 7 ends.
He's lurking out there, he's lurking... A true fan of their team always stays and watches, even if the games are going painfully. He'll come out and either diss us if Bisu gets his shuttle sniped again/does a messy 3gate, or rant about how much he hates Bisu again.
My prediction: Bisu goes dt forge expand only to get denied by Kal, however, Kal gets a bit too pushy with a reaver/goon push and gets his reavers + goons stormed by Bisu, thus evening the playing field.
Bisu manages to take out a few probes with his reaver harass, but 2 goons wait for the shuttle and he can't do anything else. At the same time, he snipes quite a few of Kal's goons as he chases him home.
Bisu waiting at the high ground outside Kal's base. Neither is willing to make the first move as Kal gets ready to expand down to the 3, having to send a zealot down to clear out Bisu's pylon first.
Bisu tries to attack as Kal takes his expo at the 4 instead of the 3, but gets repelled by 2 reavers! Kal moves out and gets caught from the back, but good storms land all over Bisu's army!
On February 26 2011 15:18 Musou wrote: Bisu's storms completely wreck Bisu's army. Kal pushes up toward Bisu's third but gets pushed back by DT as his observer gets sniped!
On February 26 2011 15:17 Musou wrote: Bisu tries to attack as Kal takes his expo at the 4 instead of the 3, but gets repelled by 2 reavers! Movie moves out and gets caught from the back, but good storms land all over Bisu's army!
On February 26 2011 15:18 Musou wrote: Bisu's storms completely wreck Bisu's army. Kal pushes up toward Bisu's third but gets pushed back by DT as his observer gets sniped!
Hahaha crazy game, 3 protoss players and bisu storming his own shit
A battle in the middle and somehow Bisu comes out on top! He sends his force to rampage through 4 and threatens 5. Kal responds by attacking Bisu's third at 11.
Why did Bisu make so few templars (and morph a lot of them into archons?). I mean the zealot/archon army does allow for aggression and expansion, but i mean shouldn't he keep a few templar just for engagement purposes?
Annnd this is why you always get HTs, no matter how much you like your DTs and all, Bisu. ==;;
Well played though to Bisu, he fought long and hard. And I guess that SKT's just having some of their own medicine from last match, but oh wells, all-killing STX was well worth it.
Thanks to Prototype for making the thread, and to all the awesome streamers as always!
On February 26 2011 15:26 Fenrax wrote: going for the bottom expansions instead of the main after th ebig battle was won was one of the dumbest things I have ever seen Bisu do -_-
yeah, he should have done this =( his reaver/shuttle position which helped him win the first engagement was also very fail the 2nd time.
On February 26 2011 15:26 Simplistik wrote: Ah, this is sad. And the winner looked so obvious before the last big fight...
No it didn't. It was quite an even game for pretty much the entire game...
No, it wasn't. Kal was far, far ahead after killing Bisu's 2 reavers with minimal losses and taking a third gas to Bisu's min only. Bisu somehow managed to win the center engagement by wasting Kal's Storms and taking advantage of his premature expansion before making the same error, expanding without having the units to back it up.
On February 26 2011 15:26 NicksonReyes wrote: SKT giving the #1 spot to KT.
Really?SWEET!
I'm not sure. KT vs Ace tomorrow. Maybe not yet.
Not for a while. SKT is up on KT by 3 wins, but have played 2 more matches than KT. SKT needs to lose 1 more while KT wins the next 3 in a row to catch up.
On February 26 2011 15:26 Simplistik wrote: Ah, this is sad. And the winner looked so obvious before the last big fight...
No it didn't. It was quite an even game for pretty much the entire game...
No, it wasn't. Kal was far, far ahead after killing Bisu's 2 reavers with minimal losses and taking a third gas to Bisu's min only. Bisu somehow managed to win the center engagement by wasting Kal's Storms and taking advantage of his premature expansion before making the same error, expanding without having the units to back it up.
Well I think Simplistik was trying to imply that Bisu was the obvious winner since he said "before the last big fight" as though Kal turned it around magically from a large disadvantage.
On February 26 2011 15:26 NicksonReyes wrote: SKT giving the #1 spot to KT.
Really?SWEET!
I'm not sure. KT vs Ace tomorrow. Maybe not yet.
Not for a while. SKT is up on KT by 3 wins, but have played 2 more matches than KT. SKT needs to lose 1 more while KT wins the next 3 in a row to catch up.
I think maybe he means that SKT *is in the process of giving* the #1 spot to KT, which seems to be true if SKT keeps losing every once in a while and KT never loses.
On February 26 2011 15:26 NicksonReyes wrote: SKT giving the #1 spot to KT.
Really?SWEET!
I'm not sure. KT vs Ace tomorrow. Maybe not yet.
Not for a while. SKT is up on KT by 3 wins, but have played 2 more matches than KT. SKT needs to lose 1 more while KT wins the next 3 in a row to catch up.
what about hite? I thought they are above KT as well?
Really sad to see Bisu the pretty boy get owned by Kal. I was really hoping for another SKT win tonight, but alas, that did not happen.
All my Liquidbets have gotten owned tonight. None of my BW Proleague Liquidbets were correct, and all the upsets in GSL are destroying me. Sad, sad night.
On February 26 2011 15:26 NicksonReyes wrote: SKT giving the #1 spot to KT.
Really?SWEET!
I'm not sure. KT vs Ace tomorrow. Maybe not yet.
Not for a while. SKT is up on KT by 3 wins, but have played 2 more matches than KT. SKT needs to lose 1 more while KT wins the next 3 in a row to catch up.
I think maybe he means that SKT *is in the process of giving* the #1 spot to KT, which seems to be true if SKT keeps losing every once in a while and KT never loses.
It's cool, you guys will skyrocket right past KT when the regular rounds kick up, and that's on the vague if that KT does. It's in SKT's hands not to lose because I don't think KT is putting up 20 straight wins, even in WL. Otherwise SKT is probably gonna remain #1 and extend their lead into Rounds 5 and 6.
On February 26 2011 15:26 NicksonReyes wrote: SKT giving the #1 spot to KT.
Really?SWEET!
I'm not sure. KT vs Ace tomorrow. Maybe not yet.
Not for a while. SKT is up on KT by 3 wins, but have played 2 more matches than KT. SKT needs to lose 1 more while KT wins the next 3 in a row to catch up.
what about hite? I thought they are above KT as well?
Nope, KT is currently in second with 17-11, +6 w-l diff. Third is Hite at 17-13 with +5 wins, and then Samsung at 16-12, +3.
I was cheering for Kal, but I had mixed up the colours, so when Bisu was attacking Kal's natural the first time and got defended pretty well, I was like," OMG Kal is screwed!!", and then I realize my mistake and breath a sigh of relief.
And then another big battle ensues, in which Kal's army gets owned pretty hard, and the base trade occurs, and I'm like," OMFG Kal is screwed!!"
On February 26 2011 15:33 eviltomahawk wrote: Really sad to see Bisu the pretty boy get owned by Kal. I was really hoping for another SKT win tonight, but alas, that did not happen.
On February 26 2011 15:26 NicksonReyes wrote: SKT giving the #1 spot to KT.
Really?SWEET!
I'm not sure. KT vs Ace tomorrow. Maybe not yet.
Not for a while. SKT is up on KT by 3 wins, but have played 2 more matches than KT. SKT needs to lose 1 more while KT wins the next 3 in a row to catch up.
what about hite? I thought they are above KT as well?
Nope, KT is currently in second with 17-11, +6 w-l diff. Third is Hite at 17-13 with +5 wins, and then Samsung at 16-12, +3.
Current league standings for everyone's convenience (DES just updated their site, they are lightning fast man, and SPOILERS for the MBC vs. Hite match below if you don't want to get spoiled) :
Just looked at the results, then expanded the page to all and started searching for "arvick" and "lightwip". Ahhh, so sweet, fanboy tears.
In all seriousness though, Bisu needs to work on making himself less readable. The sheer volume of games he's put up recently makes his execution-focused style very, very vulnerable to cold reads, like what Kal did there.
On February 26 2011 15:36 bearbuddy wrote: I haven't seen Bisu use shuttle reaver in quite a while. Perhaps he got rusty?
You realize that they play practice games, right?
Uh... yes?
It feels like shuttle reaver just isn't his preferred method (since he likes map control), and would rather use something else instead, but I'm reminded of his rather sublime control a couple of years ago. *shrug* naturally, he might be neglecting that aspect of his game a bit more if it doesn't flow with his style, but it's just speculation on my part, hence the question mark. No need to be so condescending.
On February 26 2011 15:40 Spica wrote: Current league standings for everyone's convenience (DES just updated their site, they are lightning fast man, and SPOILERS for the MBC vs. Hite match below if you don't want to get spoiled) :
On February 26 2011 15:40 Spica wrote: Current league standings for everyone's convenience (DES just updated their site, they are lightning fast man, and SPOILERS for the MBC vs. Hite match below if you don't want to get spoiled) :
BeSt: "...he did it again. Bisu casted only 1 storm this entire match, and it was in a TvP." Fantasy: "......" soO: *Makes a face*
More like: Best: "Hey, I just checked the schedule and we're going to meet KHAN the day after tomorrow!" Fantasy: "Oh really?" soo: "what's happening on the screen, I can't see without my glasses"
Bisu's reaver positioning and control has been down of late. His most recent game against Stork and now this. Even when he wins games he has been losing his shuttle and at least one of his reavers in a bad manner. Given how well he still multitasks and micros in general, particularly in PvZ, it's really odd to watch him slip up so badly in these PvP matches.
I was there , it was really sad victory I was rooting so hard for skt .... I now know that actually in the studio there is 1st person view screen , so no wonder that everybody is a pro in korea just by watching :D .
I think the decision to send Sun out in such situation is quite questionable, SKT could've send bisu out earlier and still has Best left in case that bisu lose his match (which he did) but losing to kal is not a big deal since he is awesome player (though i did miss the last game)
Guys do you know any other site beside http://sc.plu.cn/ that has this sc vods up? 'cause sc.plu is very slow for me. pls help me! I need adrenaline!:D I need this games!
On February 26 2011 18:57 krawless wrote: Guys do you know any other site beside http://sc.plu.cn/ that has this sc vods up? 'cause sc.plu is very slow for me. pls help me! I need adrenaline!:D I need this games!
Why didn't Park send Bisu right after Fantasy ? At least he can eliminate Calm so that Best + the rest will have a better chance to win it all. Sending week Zerg and Protoss to face Calm is really a very dumb decision. Bisu isn't god after all, he is just an angel, he cannot win every match for SKT like that.
If I was Park, I would send Bisu right after Fantasy to eliminate Calm. After that, if he won against Kal, everything would become easy. If he lost against Kal, I would send Best next, and in the case of losing I will send a Zerg to snipe Kal. This way the chance of winning is much better.
It was only a matter of time before Calm would start bringing the goods and I guess that caught SKT off guard. Kal has Bisu's number for quite a while now so no surprise there. I'm just sad that Hyuk lost to be honest
Not bad for SKT and BeSt still regaining his form with Bisu looking strong. Hyuk still sux in PL/WL so it's time to play Kwanro. Kal doesn't have Bisu's number and it's the opposite - Bisu is like 4 wins 1 loss in their last 5 games.
On February 26 2011 22:20 Hazard wrote: Not bad for SKT and BeSt still regaining his form with Bisu looking strong. Hyuk still sux in PL/WL so it's time to play Kwanro. Kal doesn't have Bisu's number and it's the opposite - Bisu is like 4 wins 1 loss in their last 5 games.
Most recent Bisu vs Kal games:
MSL Wildcard game 1 -> Bisu won. MSL Wildcard games 2 and 3 -> Kal won both. SPL 2nd round STX vs SKT -> 2 games, Bisu won the first one, Kal won in the ace match. First SWL game -> Bisu won. Second SWL game -> Kal won.
So, Kal is 4-3 against Bisu in this season (correct me if I'm missing games).
Anyway, I also want to bring this back. When Kal broke SKT's undefeated streak.
"Hahahahaha, he said unbeatable hahahahahaha i can't believe it, he really said unbeatable hahahahahahaha"
On February 26 2011 18:57 krawless wrote: Guys do you know any other site beside http://sc.plu.cn/ that has this sc vods up? 'cause sc.plu is very slow for me. pls help me! I need adrenaline!:D I need this games!
On February 27 2011 01:06 Hazard wrote: Bisu won MSL group game against Kal so he still holds no Bisu's number.
Go back further. In 2010 Kal won two Bo3s against Bisu. Traded 1 win each during playoffs. Bisu beat him in a Ro32 (Kal still advanced), a SPL game (lost the Ace), and a SWL game. Kal beat Bisu twice in Ace matches.
Kal's ahead at least by a little in their head to head counters. They met 12 times since last year and Kal won 7 and lost 5. And Kal's victories seem more clutch and important.
On February 27 2011 05:24 gamapg wrote: WTF COACH CHO... WHY NO BEST???? YOU FUCKING SENT HYUK INSTEAD OF BEST? FBB FIRST YO.... Then send in the Hyuk factor, or the kwanroll
You're thinking of coach Park (박용운). Cho was the last name of Oz's former coach and CJ's former coach.
Grats to STX and their fans. Deserved win on the day.
SKT has been so frustrating this season. After the 9-0 in Round 1 things have fluctuated with Fantasy and BeSt's form being so erratic (not to mention the zergs who were so impressive in Round 1).
I hope Coach Park starts giving FBB more opportunities to all-kill, but I think he'll continue to share game time around. We just need to get through WL with as little damage as possible.
On February 27 2011 08:07 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: Grats to STX and their fans. Deserved win on the day.
SKT has been so frustrating this season. After the 9-0 in Round 1 things have fluctuated with Fantasy and BeSt's form being so erratic (not to mention the zergs who were so impressive in Round 1).
I hope Coach Park starts giving FBB more opportunities to all-kill, but I think he'll continue to share game time around. We just need to get through WL with as little damage as possible.
I can't help but admire your sense of fair play. It's fans like you that almost make me regret being a SKT anti-fan... + Show Spoiler +
Until the Archenemy of Zerg shows his despicable visage, and legions of fanboys make me want to murder something. The fact that SKT Zergs get the least attention from the coaches doesn't help either.
On February 27 2011 08:07 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: Grats to STX and their fans. Deserved win on the day.
SKT has been so frustrating this season. After the 9-0 in Round 1 things have fluctuated with Fantasy and BeSt's form being so erratic (not to mention the zergs who were so impressive in Round 1).
I hope Coach Park starts giving FBB more opportunities to all-kill, but I think he'll continue to share game time around. We just need to get through WL with as little damage as possible.
I can't help but admire your sense of fair play. It's fans like you that almost make me regret being a SKT anti-fan... + Show Spoiler +
Until the Archenemy of Zerg shows his despicable visage, and legions of fanboys make me want to murder something. The fact that SKT Zergs get the least attention from the coaches doesn't help either.
Are you kidding me? The SKT coaching staff gives the Zerg line the most attention behind the scenes, in my opinion. That is Coach Park's greatest worry right now. We've seen many chances given to the Zerg line, but they have just been failing to deliver. The coaching staff is still working out stuff with them, but please don't say that SKT doesn't pay attention to their own Zergs. The fans may ridicule them because they're SKT Zergs and all, but I think that deep down inside, every SKT fan wants to see a SKT Zerg succeed. It was very, very disappointing to see Hyuk play such a... I'll put it lightly, bad decision-making game yesterday. I won't say anything about your usual Bisu hate.
it sux what they do, cause all seem to think, well if we lose there is still bisu he will do this and if bisu loses a single game, all are like fu bisu noob we lost because of u. i guess thats the pressure wich will kill bisu's confidence and he will slump again.
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